Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[King of kings]

-Bluenote is trash in the current power standings.
- The War Diety being big doesn't mean Natsu is stronger than either of them, the war Deity is below a Spirggan in general (who Laxus had beat and Gildarts can most likely).
- Never shown if he one shotted Dimaria.
-Never one shotted Jacob, I don't know what fight you were reading and Jacob was practically defenseless.
- Natsu not being afraid just show his stupidity. Mest clear implies Natsu and Lucy didn't even grasp the full gap between Brandish and August
- Natsu is a fire dragon slayer with a resistance to fire. In fact, the attack was so great Natsu wasn't able to negate it all with his resistance, this was the first time his resistance was overpowered by a fire magic with no natural superiority over his(Zancrow's flames were just naturally above Natsu's).

And I'm trying to be nice but you just said the War Diety was stronger than Acnologia......

in wiki says Gods are the strongest race of FT verse

 

[GamerSkull]

in wiki says Gods are the strongest race of FT verse

Acnologia is the God of Gods, oh King of Kings...

In all seriousness though, Acnologia is far stronger than the War God from the Avatar arc. I'm sure a God like Ankhseram is stronger than him but I doubt he'll have a role in the story.

 

[The President]

Only god stronger then Acnologia is called Ankhseram and thats because (as far as we know) he is a deity with complete governance over the FT verse (that is, unless hiro ends up making him a villain in a future arc).

Ikatsunagi being stronger then Acnologia is officially the new most laughable claim I've ever read around here.

 

[King of kings]

Come on buck it up, think about Zeno vs Acnologia , the one who has power to destroy all universe and the one use to destroy islands ,towns etc...it same thing , War God would cut in piece the ground around the territory of war and Acnologia would destroy small town.

 

[The President]

Come on buck it up, think about Zeno vs Acnologia , the one who has power to destroy all universe and the one use to destroy islands ,towns etc...it same thing , War God would cut in piece the ground around the territory of war and Acnologia would destroy small town.

LMAO tis guy

Zeno is immeasurably above anything in the FT verse, there is no comparison to be made here. Ikatsunagi got one-shotted, it doesn't even have the power to destroy a city (in one go) let alone a damn universe. Natsu isn't even as strong as August so I'd unscrew the idea that he is even in the same ocean as Acnologia out of that head of yours.

 

[Raven]

in wiki says Gods are the strongest race of FT verse

Gods are the strongest but there are also low tier god and high tier god. We only saw the low tier gods.

 

[Demon Hunter]

wtf am I reading!?

Crust God >>>>> Acnologia!?

gtfo

Spoiler

Acnologia kills him by sneezing.

that Crust God was one shotted by base Demolition Fist.

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@Jko yo don't insult my Dragon Ball

its a God tier anime/manga compared to FT, especially Saiyan and Frieza arc. sure, power levels are bullshit but the fights and story are >>>>>>>>>>> FT.

and yes, being stronger than someone means you can be resistant to Time Stop. both in the anime and manga Goku resisted it because he was stronger.

 

[Jko]

wtf am I reading!?

Crust God >>>>> Acnologia!?

gtfo

Spoiler

Acnologia kills him by sneezing.

that Crust God was one shotted by base Demolition Fist.

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@Jko yo don't insult my Dragon Ball

its a God tier anime/manga compared to FT, especially Saiyan and Frieza arc. sure, power levels are bullshit but the fights and story are >>>>>>>>>>> FT.

and yes, being stronger than someone means you can be resistant to Time Stop. both in the anime and manga Goku resisted it because he was stronger.

I liked DB and DBZ but Super is horrible it defies any logic.

That only work in DB which is literally the only show that does that. Every other form fiction only counter or resistance can get out of Timestop.

You can't power your way through the flow of time.

 

[Demon Hunter]

yeah, power levels in Super are horrible and logic don't imply to it like in every Shounen, I won't argue that but the story and fights are well done.

@Jko that's logical. if someone is stronger than you then hax magic won't work on you. its THAT simple.

 

[Crimson Ice]

The most stupidest show in the universe. Dragon Ball is a horrible universe to even think a rational thought in. I'm talking about a universal concept in a show where there's a shred of logic.

Timestop stops the flow of time if you walk through it that just shows you've a restiance or a counter. If anyone can power there way through timestop then people like Supes or Hyperion would easily be able to counter it but they can't.

Just because Dragon Ball is inconsistent doesn't mean everything is irrational. Fairy Tail has shit writing and Hiro doesn't know what he's doing half of the time so what's your point? I brought up a case where you can resist time stop through being stronger if your best retort is 'LOL it's DBS so nope' I'll take that as you conceding.

The rest of your post is irrelevant.

 

[King of kings]

Just because Dragon Ball is inconsistent doesn't mean everything is irrational. Fairy Tail has shit writing and Hiro doesn't know what he's doing half of the time so what's your point? I brought up a case where you can resist time stop through being stronger if your best retort is 'LOL it's DBS so nope' I'll take that as you conceding.

The rest of your post is irrelevant.

gods slayers could beat Beerus lol

 

[Spirit]

Guys Guys this isn't Dragonball is it? Keep it on topic or that postcount's going down

The core of the issue is that unlike a lot of other mangaka, Hiro Mashima doesn't noticeably plan ahead with his writing so there are a lot of inconsistencies. That oftentimes comes across as plot holes or unexplained occurrences. This is why this arcs power scaling is so damn broken.

 

[The President]

Resisting time/space related powers hasn't only happened in DBS. It has happened in DC, Marvel, Fate series even fcking Pokemon for crying out loud. I mean when a character (Brandish) literally says her power is useless because the target is too powerful and you still deny it there really is a problem there and that has happened in verse. The only character who can resist and affect all without discrimination is an omnipotent character.

gods slayers could beat Beerus lol

Nope because the term god slayers only exists in FT and in FT there isn't a character who can even bust a continent in one go let alone a planet and Beerus can no-sell planet busting attacks while sleeping.

 

[Axiomus]

in wiki says Gods are the strongest race of FT verse

Wiki is wrong on that. This is what the wiki says:

Gods are a species of magical beings that, according to Zancrow, are known to be the strongest among all species in the world, surpassing the previously believed strongest species of Dragons.

First of all, it's important to know that this is all "according to Zancrow". They reference chapter 218 pages 4-5 for evidence of this statement, and those pages have Zancrow saying no such thing. The closest that comes to it is Zancrow later saying that even if Natsu's fire can kill a dragon, it can't kill a god. This is where Zancrow was factually incorrect, because Natsu's flames can kill a god. Ironically, the opposite of what Zancrow said is true. We've never seen Natsu take down a dragon. It should also be noted that Zancrow's idea of a god was around Hades' level, and it's laughable to suggest Hades could take on even an average dragon.

Spoiler: Chapter 218, pages 4-5

Spoiler: Zancrow saying that even if it could kill a dragon, it couldn't kill a god

END is stronger than Chronus (and Natsu is stronger than Ikusatsunagi), and END is a demon.
Igneel is stronger END, and he is a dragon.
Acnologia is stronger than Igneel, and he's a human that can turn into a dragon.

 

[Jko]

yeah, power levels in Super are horrible and logic don't imply to it like in every Shounen, I won't argue that but the story and fights are well done.

@Jko that's logical. if someone is stronger than you then hax magic won't work on you. its THAT simple.

No, it isn't. There are hax you can't overpower with pure power. You think someone can just muscle their way through stopping of time itself? Or ones that can erase you from existence with just power? No, they've got to have a resistance or counter to it.

Just because Dragon Ball is inconsistent doesn't mean everything is irrational. Fairy Tail has shit writing and Hiro doesn't know what he's doing half of the time so what's your point? I brought up a case where you can resist time stop through being stronger if your best retort is 'LOL it's DBS so nope' I'll take that as you conceding.

The rest of your post is irrelevant.

Hiro knows his hax are too strong for him to utulize effectively and there is some form of logic in the fights. DBS is just mindless action. They don't follow normal rules fictional fights. The battle community even puts them as an outlier in certain aspects.

You can't muscle your way out of timestop as it's the stopping the flow of time. Just watch the Dr. Strange movie

Spoiler

it'd show the affects of stopping amd alteting the flow of time. Even the high tiers couldn't get out of but the ones enchanted by Dormammu despite being severely weaker than the spellcaster or those who were affected by timestop.

Even Supes tier can't get out of timestop or getting transmutated because they don't have a counter nor resistance to said hax. Unless they show they are resistant or have counter to hax then they can't get out of it. Even August couldn't stop the affects of certain haxes he could only counteract them (reflector and Cobra's hearing magic).

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Resisting time/space related powers hasn't only happened in DBS. It has happened in DC, Marvel, Fate series even fcking Pokemon for crying out loud. I mean when a character (Brandish) literally says her power is useless because the target is too powerful and you still deny it there really is a problem there and that has happened in verse. The only character who can resist and affect all without discrimination is an omnipotent character.



Nope because the term god slayers only exists in FT and in FT there isn't a character who can even bust a continent in one go let alone a planet and Beerus can no-sell planet busting attacks while sleeping.

DC, and Marvel definitely have fodder level to low tier people who can fudge up high tiers with Hax. DC and Marvel are perfect examples in showing that you need a resistance or counter to get out of hax. You can't overpower hax with simple power alone. Superman himself can't even get out of mind rape let alone timestop lol.

Edit: Wondy having a counter to telepathy yet Supes who's stronger than her doesn't and he gets completely mind raped by telepathic abilities of a human.

Spoiler

 

[The President]

DC, and Marvel definitely have fodder level to low tier people who can fudge up high tiers with Hax. DC and Marvel are perfect examples in showing that you need a resistance or counter to get out of hax. You can't overpower hax with simple power alone. Superman himself can't even get out of mind rape let alone timestop lol.

They are the perfect examples of why hax CAN be outmuscled via raw power. Characters with matter and energy manipulation have been NLFd COUNTLESS amounts of times. Supes has resisted entire universes of weight thrown into his mind by the Mxy twins before, telepathy is one of the most countered haxes out there, doesn't help your argument at all.

 

[Crimson Ice]

No, it isn't. There are hax you can't overpower with pure power. You think someone can just muscle their way through stopping of time itself? Or ones that can erase you from existence with just power? No, they've got to have a resistance or counter to it.

Hiro knows his hax are too strong for him to utulize effectively and there is some form of logic in the fights. DBS is just mindless action. They don't follow normal rules fictional fights. The battle community even puts them as an outlier in certain aspects.

You can't muscle your way out of timestop as it's the stopping the flow of time. Just watch the Dr. Strange movie

Spoiler

it'd show the affects of stopping amd alteting the flow of time. Even the high tiers couldn't get out of but the ones enchanted by Dormammu despite being severely weaker than the spellcaster or those who were affected by timestop.

Even Supes tier can't get out of timestop or getting transmutated because they don't have a counter nor resistance to said hax. Unless they show they are resistant or have counter to hax then they can't get out of it. Even August couldn't stop the affects of certain haxes he could only counteract them (reflector and Cobra's hearing magic).

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DC, and Marvel definitely have fodder level to low tier people who can fudge up high tiers with Hax. DC and Marvel are perfect examples in showing that you need a resistance or counter to get out of hax. You can't overpower hax with simple power alone. Superman himself can't even get out of mind rape let alone timestop lol.

You're saying no WHEN I LITERALLY JUST SHOWED YOU AN EXAMPLE DOING SO! LMAO

Goku literally resisted time stop by being more powerful than Hit, it doesn't matter how many more examples you bring to the table my point is that time stop doesn't work like that in EVERY SERIES. I proved that right it doesn't matter how many more examples you bring up.

If Hiro knew how strong hax was Dimaria would be a top 3 Spirggan and not Lacrade. There can be an outlier in many series, but no SERIES itself is an outlier. They use Loony Tunes in vs battle and that's a satirical/parody bunch of series.


Your post is literally irrelevant, refute the Hit point or stop replying. If you reply using other series in defense in the next reply I'll just take that as you repeating the same things and not even reply.

(Mods don't delete this because this links back to Dimaria's powers)

 

[Jko]

They are the perfect examples of why hax CAN be outmuscled via raw power. Characters with matter and energy manipulation have been NLFd COUNTLESS amounts of times. Supes has resisted entire universes of weight thrown into his mind by the Mxy twins before, telepathy is one of the most countered haxes out there, doesn't help your argument at all.

No they haven't bro. The magic users have fudged over the JL countless times with their hax. Shoving the weight of universe inside a mind is not mind controlling in anyway or shape. Supes got mind controlled because he didn't have counter our builded a resistance which is why he got overpowered by a human with mere mind controlling powers. Energy manipulation? How is that a hax?

You were right Supes had resisted transmutation I meant to say Diana hasn't.

Telepathy can be countered yeah if you have mental resistance or telepathy but if you don't you're getting mind raped fast.

Just look at SDS the Commandments all are weaker than Escanor yet all their haxes work on him.

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You're saying no WHEN I LITERALLY JUST SHOWED YOU AN EXAMPLE DOING SO! LMAO

Goku literally resisted time stop by being more powerful than Hit, it doesn't matter how many more examples you bring to the table my point is that time stop doesn't work like that in EVERY SERIES. I proved that right it doesn't matter how many more examples you bring up.

If Hiro knew how strong hax was Dimaria would be a top 3 Spirggan and not Lacrade. There can be an outlier in many series, but no SERIES itself is an outlier. They use Loony Tunes in vs battle and that's a satirical/parody bunch of series.


Your post is literally irrelevant, refute the Hit point or stop replying. If you reply using other series in defense in the next reply I'll just take that as you repeating the same things and not even reply.

(Mods don't delete this because this links back to Dimaria's powers)

You literally show me DBS. I showed you a multitude of other shows that counteract it and told you about the outliers in DBZ. I even showed you in FTverse examples that shows hax trump power lol.

So my examples don't matter but yours do? Lol, okay use your one example from a show that has no form of logic whatsoever. Nice counterargument.

And you're lucky spoilers are preventing me from talking about it. What I can talk about is that just bcs he's has hype doesn't mean he'll live up to top 3. It could be like the time Jeimma was stated to be top 9D yet he was considerably weaker than even the mid tier 9Ds.

Hax needs a counter or resistance. In every other fictional form but DBZ has shown this. You'd be surprised how much hax from literal fodder tier (in power) characters can destroy even top tier characters.

Yes but those outliers in the series are ruled outliers because they don't tend to correlate well with the verse equalization rule.

 

[Brandish μ]

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[The President]

No they haven't bro. The magic users have fudged over the JL countless times with their hax. Shoving the weight of universe inside a mind is not mind controlling in anyway or shape. Supes got mind controlled because he didn't have counter our builded a resistance which is why he got overpowered by a human with mere mind controlling powers. Energy manipulation? How is that a hax?

Not even debatable buddy. There are over 100 magicians in Marvel alone, nearly all of them have had their powers not work at some point or another against a stronger opponent. Silver Surfer, Dr. Strange, Celestial Order you fcking name it. You are way out of your depth here if you seriously say otherwise.

Spoiler

This is Thanos NFL'ing multiple dimensional travel effects including time and space related ones, and he literally says its because he is not a lesser being (i.e. weak/insufficiently strong characters).

You are right, having universe weight thrown into your brain is MUCH MUCH worse then simple mind control. If you don't mentally collapse from universe level strain on your brain then your casual telepath is going to hit a brick wall.

You honestly cannot be serious with that last question. Energy manipulation is often regarded as the apex of powers. You can change the nature of reality itself, its not much different then reality/space warping.

Telepathy can be countered yeah if you have mental resistance or telepathy but if you don't you're getting mind raped fast.

It is generally associated with power, with the odd few who are fodder but mentally strong.

Just look at SDS the Commandments all are weaker than Escanor yet all their haxes work on him.

Really? Haven't noticed (he has yet to be affected because he has countered every single one of them). Not that one series disapproves the existence of it in others.[/SPOILER][/SPOILER]