Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[CaptainTorch]

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Hmm, this chapter really made me wonder - how far from Igneel Powered Natsu, is Natsu's current DF? I mean, with his DF enhanced Fire Dragon King attack, he managed to actually vaporize Zeref. He couldn't do that in his original battle against Zeref. So how strong is he really? Also, what attack did he use against Zeref in his DF? It said "Houken", which would give me the feeling that this is his secret art - Phoenix Blade. But the wya he attacked, it wasn't like that. Besides he didn't even say that this is a secret art. So what attack was it?

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Oh, I just realized it was his Demolition Fist. My bad.

 

[Nemispelled]

Igneel-Powered Natsu should be far stronger than DF.

Igneel's power was actually Igneel's last parting gift for Natsu. And it was the power of a real dragon too. Natsu trained rigorously for 1 whole year just to be able to use Igneel's power. That was actually supposed to be Natsu's Ultimate Trump Card (the bandaged arm).

Spoiler: Chapter 532 & 533 Spoilers

As of the recent chapter, I find it odd that DF Natsu could vaporize Zeref with a single strike.

I'm waiting to see if the next few chapters will explain more, but I do have a guess at what was going on in the recent chapter:


My guess is that Zeref already merged himself with time and space (meaning he disappeared) before Natsu even got to use Demolition Fist. So Zeref just gave Natsu the illusion of vaporizing him, but in reality, Natsu's DF attack never connected with Zeref to begin with.

So in my opinion, we still don't know how much damage DF Natsu's attack can really inflict.

It was only used on Zeref, but I doubt it even actually hit Zeref.

If Igneel's power couldn't defeat an immortal in a single hit, DF shouldn't be able to come anywhere close to achieving that feat..

 

[SirSamuel016]

Igneel-Powered Natsu should be far stronger than DF.

Igneel's power was actually Igneel's last parting gift for Natsu. And it was the power of a real dragon too. Natsu trained rigorously for 1 whole year just to be able to use Igneel's power. That was actually supposed to be Natsu's Ultimate Trump Card (the bandaged arm).

Spoiler: Chapter 532 & 533 Spoilers

As of the recent chapter, I find it odd that DF Natsu could vaporize Zeref with a single strike.

I'm waiting to see if the next few chapters will explain more, but I do have a guess at what was going on in the recent chapter:


My guess is that Zeref already merged himself with time and space (meaning he disappeared) before Natsu even got to use Demolition Fist. So Zeref just gave Natsu the illusion of vaporizing him, but in reality, Natsu's DF attack never connected with Zeref to begin with.

So in my opinion, we still don't know how much damage DF Natsu's attack can really inflict.

It was only used on Zeref, but I doubt it even hit Zeref to begin with.

If Igneel's power couldn't defeat an immortal in a single hit, DF shouldn't be able to come anywhere close to achieving that feat..

The only things I think you're missing here are that when IgNatsu fought Zeref, he never used any spells but rather went and brawled it out with him, never really using much more than punches to try and finish Zeref.

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On the other hand with Dragon Force, Natsu outright stated he'd try and kill Zeref and actually went to use a spell to do it. While I agree it's possible Zeref did that, I actually don't think he did given everything that got destroyed got repaired thanks to Fairy Heart, the guild and yes, Zeref.

 

[Arjuna]

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I think if Igneel powered Natsu is 100,000
Current DF Natsu will be 50000
DF Natsu used all his power concentrated in a single attack to vaporise Zeref.But on the other hand in Igneel powered FDKM Natsu he still had another attack left.

Judging from Zeref's words it doesn't seem anything illusional or Zeref did.

 

[Nemispelled]

The only things I think you're missing here are that when IgNatsu fought Zeref, he never used any spells but rather went and brawled it out with him, never really using much more than punches to try and finish Zeref.

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On the other hand with Dragon Force, Natsu outright stated he'd try and kill Zeref and actually went to use a spell to do it. While I agree it's possible Zeref did that, I actually don't think he did given everything that got destroyed got repaired thanks to Fairy Heart, the guild and yes, Zeref.

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I don't think using actual spells matters in this case.

When Natsu was Igneel-Powered, he had every intention to kill Zeref. So it should still have been stronger than DF.

Fairy Heart has the power to repair objects, but Zeref didn't exactly repair his body. He just simply appeared from the chasm between time and space.

 

[Axiomus]

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I think the easiest way to think of it is that Dragon Force gives the most destruction per unit of magical power. Igneel's power was greater in terms of raw MP. As for the latest chapter, I think it's fair to say that DF Demolition Fist did actually manage to destroy Zeref's body. Zeref also reversed the damage on the guild, so I think the same can be said about what he did to his body. It would be awfully generous of Zeref to repair the guild if all he had to do is teleport out and back in, and given Zeref's attitude probably a bit OOC.

 

[LaGOAT]

New ranking 1.acno 2.zeref 3.natsu 4.august 5.irene 6.lacade 7.gildartz 8.god Serena 9.laxus/jellal 10.dimaria/brandish 11.erza 12.gray 13.gajeel 14.rest of the sprrigans (including hades and mard geer they are sprrigan tier) 15. The rest of the fodders

 

[CaptainTorch]

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Hmm.... I think that DF most likely highly increases his stats, but he can't keep it up for too long. In Tartaros he had enough for a secret art. Here, he had enough for one FDK move. Granted, his Demolition Fist was enhanced by DF. On the other hand, we have Natsu with Igneel's power, not able to completely destroy Zeref in one hit, and needing another one. That's most likely just an incostinency. Still, the difference is, Natsu in DF would still be unable to beat Zeref(without FH), because Zeref is immortal. To beat Zeref he needs the "Power of the Undead". So most likely a DF enhanced FDK Move <= Igneel's MP Enhanced FDK move. But Igneel's MP was a huge MP container, while DF requires Natsu's max available MP. Also One DF enhanced FDK Move leaves Natsu barely able to stand. And with Igneel's MP he still could fight. So in my opinion, that explains why Natsu used FDK with Igneel's MP against Zeref - cause that was the best solution available. Why fight someone with your own power, when you can have your power + MP of an extremely strong dragon.
Tbh though, I'm still shaky on his DF FDK spells... Because I expected them to not be on Igneel's MP FDK destruction capabilities...

 

[Axiomus]

Spoiler: DF Natsu

I think Natsu will dragonise in the manga similar to how he will in the movie, but Hiro might wait until the movie is released so he can time it's introduction into the manga at the same time. He'll never fully become Igneel-like imo, though Zeref sort of hints in in 532 that he needs to become like Acno to challenge him. So I think Natsu will advance even more than he did in 532/3 with his dragonising.

Spoiler: Interesting bit in 532

I've noticed that Natsu's dragon force actually dragonizes the left side of his body, which makes him resemble what he does in the movie. So maybe there is some merit to the idea that Natsu will continue to dragonize to the form we see in the movie. I wouldn't be surprised if this actually happens to coincide with the release date of the movie, which is like in 2 weeks. Next week's chapter is probably going to contain Lucy finding a way to bring back Natsu towards the end. The chapter on the week of May 6th might show us Natsu's return.

 

[Arjuna]

Spoiler: Interesting bit in 532

I've noticed that Natsu's dragon force actually dragonizes the left side of his body, which makes him resemble what he does in the movie. So maybe there is some merit to the idea that Natsu will continue to dragonize to the form we see in the movie. I wouldn't be surprised if this actually happens to coincide with the release date of the movie, which is like in 2 weeks. Next week's chapter is probably going to contain Lucy finding a way to bring back Natsu towards the end. The chapter on the week of May 6th might show us Natsu's return.

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Do you think Natsu will be able to surpass Igneel by the EOS like Gray surpassed Ul.

 

[CaptainTorch]

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Hmmmm.... But we also saw some scales on his right side though...

Maybe his whole face is dragonized on the right side, but only the above of his eye on the left?

 

[LaGOAT]

Spoiler: Df

natsu DF is slightly below BKDM becuase zeref was confident that DF wouldn't be enough to beat him but I agree when it comes to DC DF=BDKM but sustaining that power natsu doesn't have enough MP for that or else it might be on par perhaps even greater than BDKM

 

[Arjuna]

Spoiler: Df

natsu DF is slightly below BKDM becuase zeref was confident that DF wouldn't be enough to zeref but I agree when it comes to DC DF=BDKM but sustaining that power natsu doesn't have enough MP for that or else it might be on par perhaps even greater than BDKM

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That's true.In FDKM Igneel powered he still had another attack left but here he was virtually on the verge on falling.

 

[CaptainTorch]

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Well, that sure clears up a lot. Also, I think Natsu wasted a bit of Igneel's MP before entering BDKM by battling Zeref. So there is a possibility he could have had more than two shots(I would say 3 or so). While in DF he has only one shot, and he's out.

 

[Axiomus]

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Hmmmm.... But we also saw some scales on his right side though...

Maybe his whole face is dragonized on the right side, but only the above of his eye on the left?

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It changes a bit throughout the 2 chapters where it appears on his face, but we see the dragonization mostly happen on his left side for his body.

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Do you think Natsu will be able to surpass Igneel by the EOS like Gray surpassed Ul.

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Well, surpassing Igneel is a lot harder than surpassing Ul. I think Natsu will be strong enough to play his role against Acnologia and Zeref, but he doesn't necessarily need to be stronger than them.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Ever since Irene revealed that she was the one who created dragon slaying magic, it makes me wonder if Dragon Force is truly exclusive to 1st and 3rd generation dragon slayers only. On one hand, we were told that dragon slayers learned DF from parent dragons (indirectly by DS mages). However, it was also stated that DS Magic came from enchanting a dragon's power into a human which is possibly how dragon lacrimas were first created. And if this were the case, then all dragon slayers can activate DF. It's just that they attained the power differently.

Irene even stresses the fact that the last stage to all dragon slayers is dragonification (meaning they must go through the earlier stages of DF provided that these two are one and the same).

Spoiler: Origin of Dragon Slayers

Overall, I'm not so sure which explanation holds more value, but it's something that is interesting to think about.

Now that Natsu's DF has been basically confirmed, I'm curious as to how strong people expect him to be based on hype and speculation. Personally I'd say with DF he should be the strongest mage on Ishgar's side. What do you guys think?

Spoiler: Fairy Tail Chapter 532 & 533

Based on the recent chapter with new feats, I'd say DF Natsu is on Zeref's level. One can say he is above it or below it, but I think it's fair to say Natsu is around that level.

 

[CaptainTorch]

Ever since Irene revealed that she was the one who created dragon slaying magic, it makes me wonder if Dragon Force is truly exclusive to 1st and 3rd generation dragon slayers only. On one hand, we were told that dragon slayers learned DF from parent dragons (indirectly by DS mages). However, it was also stated that DS Magic came from enchanting a dragon's power into a human which is possibly how dragon lacrimas were first created. And if this were the case, then all dragon slayers can activate DF. It's just that they attained the power differently.

Irene even stresses the fact that the last stage to all dragon slayers is dragonification (meaning they must go through the earlier stages of DF provided that these two are one and the same).

Spoiler: Origin of Dragon Slayers

Overall, I'm not so sure which explanation holds more value, but it's something that is interesting to think about.

Spoiler: Fairy Tail Chapter 532 & 533

Based on the recent chapter with new feats, I'd say DF Natsu is on Zeref's level. One can say he is above it or below it, but I think it's fair to say Natsu is around that level.

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Then the real question is - how strong is Zeref? Without Fairy Heart? Most of his strength comes from his immortality, because he is basically invincible. But how strong is he in terms of strength? Above or below August?

 

[Arjuna]

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Then the real question is - how strong is Zeref? Without Fairy Heart? Most of his strength comes from his immortality, because he is basically invincible. But how strong is he in terms of strength? Above or below August?

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Zeref is definetly strong no doubt.Yajeel had said in chapter 444 that Zeref rules Spriggan 12 with iron fist with his power.And the way fought against Igneel powered Natsu,injuring him and turning it into a stalemete he is a top notch.

 

[Star Frost]

I agree that DF is the strongest mode but it exhaust him so fast. So it won't be that useful against OP opponents imo unless they get one shotted or defeated before his mana finish.

That attack he used against Zeref, was that Iron Fist or Demolition Fist?

 

[Axiomus]

That attack he used against Zeref, was that Iron Fist or Demolition Fist?

炎竜王の崩拳 (en-ryu-o no bo-ken) is Fire Dragon King's Demolition Fist.
火竜の鉄拳 (ka-ryu no te-ken) is Fire Dragon's Iron Fist.

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