Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

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I remember when God Slayers were superior (well, Tenrou).

it's sad how they are shitted on so heavily.
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although the God who cursed Zeref could be OP af.
 

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Spriggans we’re described both in and out of story in the volume of their introduction as the strongest enemies they have ever faced, so no, Dragons are not the strongest at all. I am not talking about Savage Flames, though he has to actually reach the temperatures to actually use it, otherwise he is trapped in Time Stop and killed. That would not make sense as Infinite supply requires something of an equal proportions thus infinite. But the point. Being seeing as Savage Flames is the strongest then there is no means of killing Zeref with just power alone, it has to be with hax or ability that is required as well at least. The volume states otherwise though that it is the power of the dying, and no, not all powers from a dead person are the same (Igneel’s power is described to be different “by Zeref’s theory”) though he would not die by choosing what he was, either a human, dragon or demon. Having infinite power is not the issue here, it is a matter of END developing to the point where he can actually do the same thing as savage flames can and with his demon ability kill Zeref as well. Yet savage flame alone is not enough to kill him. Yet Zeref did not stop time, all he did was reverse time, that was basically it. That does not make Hades anymore god like if he just experimented on Mavis who was in a coma with mortal spells and preserving her body. Nothing says that curses can’t which he was using by the way. No regular Natsu is not stronger than END, that is why Brandish can still effect her
 

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I remember when God Slayers were superior (well, Tenrou).

it's sad how they are shitted on so heavily.
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although the God who cursed Zeref could be OP af.
yeah Zancrow was definitely stronger than Natsu
 

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yeah Zancrow was definitely stronger than Natsu
I remember when God Slayers were superior (well, Tenrou).

it's sad how they are shitted on so heavily.
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although the God who cursed Zeref could be OP af.
That only furthers my points that it is a matter of hax rather than just strength overall.

God Elements are prefixed to be stronger than any other elements.
 

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Zancrow wasn't stronger than Laxus, and stopped being stronger than Natsu when Natsu got LFD. GMG Natsu would have stomped Zancrow. Current Natsu would solo the godslayers plus the god of war, and probably still have enough power to finish off Dimaria. Laxus was stronger than Orga from the get go. Wendy and Chelia were equals in the GMG. Then Wendy pulled ahead with dragon force in Tartarus. The only time when Chelia was ahead of Wendy afterwards was when she had 3rd origin, which used up all the magic power she will ever have in her lifetime. Keep in mind that Chelia is the strongest god slayer, and the only way she can beat a Spriggan was to use her entire life's worth of magic. Gajeel, WSD, and Laxus can all pull it off without.

Spriggans we’re described both in and out of story in the volume of their introduction as the strongest enemies they have ever faced, so no, Dragons are not the strongest at all. I am not talking about Savage Flames, though he has to actually reach the temperatures to actually use it, otherwise he is trapped in Time Stop and killed. That would not make sense as Infinite supply requires something of an equal proportions thus infinite. But the point. Being seeing as Savage Flames is the strongest then there is no means of killing Zeref with just power alone, it has to be with hax or ability that is required as well at least. The volume states otherwise though that it is the power of the dying, and no, not all powers from a dead person are the same (Igneel’s power is described to be different “by Zeref’s theory”) though he would not die by choosing what he was, either a human, dragon or demon. Having infinite power is not the issue here, it is a matter of END developing to the point where he can actually do the same thing as savage flames can and with his demon ability kill Zeref as well. Yet savage flame alone is not enough to kill him. Yet Zeref did not stop time, all he did was reverse time, that was basically it. That does not make Hades anymore god like if he just experimented on Mavis who was in a coma with mortal spells and preserving her body. Nothing says that curses can’t which he was using by the way. No regular Natsu is not stronger than END, that is why Brandish can still effect her
Except we know for a fact that there are multiple dragons stronger than the Spriggans, with evidence from the manga itself. Acnologia was described as the strongest enemy Fairy Tail has ever faced, being strong enough to solo the Zeref and the Spriggans combined. Igneel had enough power left over after his fight with Acnologia to still kill Zeref. The 5 dragon gods are all on Acnologia's level, and therefore enough to solo Spriggans. Irene tied August for the strongest Spriggan, and she was a dragon slayer turned into a dragon. One of the strongest Spriggans is a dragon. So yes, absolutely dragons are the strongest.

Natsu doesn't need Savage Flames to take out Dimaria. Any regular FDK spell stronger than Chelia's spell would do it. He doesn't need Savage Flames to move in Dimaria's time either. Savage Flames burned out Fairy Heart's time magic, which is overkill for the purposes of beating Dimaria. END didn't need to burn out Dimaria's time to move through her time, he just needed to be stronger than Dimaria. Natsu can reach END's power level by entering FDK mode or dragon force.

I agree that Dimaria can beat base Natsu if she catches him with age seal before he gets into one of his stronger modes. But if Natsu is already amped on POF and runs into her, or he manages to enter FDK mode or dragon force before she stops time, then there's pretty much nothing she can do to prevent Natsu from oneshotting her. Same with Brandish. Her powers might work against base Natsu when he's relaxed. Not against a PoF amped Natsu that is stronger than Neinhart.

Japanese Raws > Kodansha translations. You do realize that the Japanese raws are more official than the Kodansha translations right? The Japanese raws are literally the words Hiro Mashima puts on paper. 死せる者の力. 死(shi) on its own means "death". 死せ (shisheru) together means dead. る (ru) means "of". 者 (mono) means person. の (no) should be obvious to any anime fan. It means "of" in a possessive manner. 力 (chikara) means power. Word for word, it literally says "dead of person of power". In readable english, a literal translation is "power of a dead person". This should even be a debate. We know for a fact, Igneel is dead. He's not dying. If he were dying, then he would be alive.

Quite frankly, I don't know where you are going with this. It is waaaay easier to obtain the power of the dying than the power of the dead. Power of the dead requires you to take the power of someone who is dead. Power of the dying just requires you to be using magic power of someone that is dying. That someone could even be yourself. Juvia when she stabbed herself was dying. She would have had the power of a dying person. Again, there is a reason Natsu was sent to be trained by Igneel. The plan was for Natsu to become strong enough during this training to take out Zeref. It's not hard to imagine why Zeref went along with this idea. Igneel is just a cut under Acnologia in power, and Acnologia is the strongest living being there is. Giving Natsu the potential to reach Igneel's level was Zeref's best bet. If merely having the power of a dead person would be enough, there are tonnes of other options. Literally have one of his minions, like Irene, eat someone's magic and then kill them. Or beat them to a pulp if you want to arguing "dying > dead", which is even easier.

Reversing time is more overpowered than stopping time, but that's besides the point. Zeref can stop time, and he doesn't need to Fairy Heart to do it. He stopped time in Tartarus when he talked to Natsu. Zeref can pretty much do what Dimaria does without Fairy Heart. Fairy Heart grants him a myriad of more overpowered abilities. If Natsu punches Dimaria with the FDK demolition fist in Dragon Force he used on Zeref, she's dead. Her body would scatter into particles. Zeref can just rewind time, even when his body is a bunch of particles, to restore everything. Not just his own body, but the surrounding environment and potentially other living things. How is that not more OP?
 
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Spriggans we’re described both in and out of story in the volume of their introduction as the strongest enemies they have ever faced, so no, Dragons are not the strongest at all. I am not talking about Savage Flames, though he has to actually reach the temperatures to actually use it, otherwise he is trapped in Time Stop and killed. That would not make sense as Infinite supply requires something of an equal proportions thus infinite. But the point. Being seeing as Savage Flames is the strongest then there is no means of killing Zeref with just power alone, it has to be with hax or ability that is required as well at least. The volume states otherwise though that it is the power of the dying, and no, not all powers from a dead person are the same (Igneel’s power is described to be different “by Zeref’s theory”) though he would not die by choosing what he was, either a human, dragon or demon. Having infinite power is not the issue here, it is a matter of END developing to the point where he can actually do the same thing as savage flames can and with his demon ability kill Zeref as well. Yet savage flame alone is not enough to kill him. Yet Zeref did not stop time, all he did was reverse time, that was basically it. That does not make Hades anymore god like if he just experimented on Mavis who was in a coma with mortal spells and preserving her body. Nothing says that curses can’t which he was using by the way. No regular Natsu is not stronger than END, that is why Brandish can still effect her
I agree with everything you wrote. You called out th eissues I always had with how Mashima hyped the spriggans and gave more etail to zeref's death.
 

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Provide one god,GS and a spriggan that is stronger than a dragon\DS
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I agree with everything you wrote. You called out th eissues I always had with how Mashima hyped the spriggans and gave more etail to zeref's death.
And the hype was a disappointment spriggans getting oneshotted and losing to some1 as weak as elfman and lisanna who ain’t Wendy tier
 

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Zancrow wasn't stronger than Laxus, and stopped being stronger than Natsu when Natsu got LFD. GMG Natsu would have stomped Zancrow. Current Natsu would solo the godslayers plus the god of war, and probably still have enough power to finish off Dimaria. Laxus was stronger than Orga from the get go. Wendy and Chelia were equals in the GMG. Then Wendy pulled ahead with dragon force in Tartarus. The only time when Chelia was ahead of Wendy afterwards was when she had 3rd origin, which used up all the magic power she will ever have in her lifetime. Keep in mind that Chelia is the strongest god slayer, and the only way she can beat a Spriggan was to use her entire life's worth of magic. Gajeel, WSD, and Laxus can all pull it off without.



Except we know for a fact that there are multiple dragons stronger than the Spriggans, with evidence from the manga itself. Acnologia was described as the strongest enemy Fairy Tail has ever faced, being strong enough to solo the Zeref and the Spriggans combined. Igneel had enough power left over after his fight with Acnologia to still kill Zeref. The 5 dragon gods are all on Acnologia's level, and therefore enough to solo Spriggans. Irene tied August for the strongest Spriggan, and she was a dragon slayer turned into a dragon. One of the strongest Spriggans is a dragon. So yes, absolutely dragons are the strongest.

Natsu doesn't need Savage Flames to take out Dimaria. Any regular FDK spell stronger than Chelia's spell would do it. He doesn't need Savage Flames to move in Dimaria's time either. Savage Flames burned out Fairy Heart's time magic, which is overkill for the purposes of beating Dimaria. END didn't need to burn out Dimaria's time to move through her time, he just needed to be stronger than Dimaria. Natsu can reach END's power level by entering FDK mode or dragon force.

I agree that Dimaria can beat base Natsu if she catches him with age seal before he gets into one of his stronger modes. But if Natsu is already amped on POF and runs into her, or he manages to enter FDK mode or dragon force before she stops time, then there's pretty much nothing she can do to prevent Natsu from oneshotting her. Same with Brandish. Her powers might work against base Natsu when he's relaxed. Not against a PoF amped Natsu that is stronger than Neinhart.

Japanese Raws > Kodansha translations. You do realize that the Japanese raws are more official than the Kodansha translations right? The Japanese raws are literally the words Hiro Mashima puts on paper. 死せる者の力. 死(shi) on its own means "death". 死せ (shisheru) together means dead. る (ru) means "of". 者 (mono) means person. の (no) should be obvious to any anime fan. It means "of" in a possessive manner. 力 (chikara) means power. Word for word, it literally says "dead of person of power". In readable english, a literal translation is "power of a dead person". This should even be a debate. We know for a fact, Igneel is dead. He's not dying. If he were dying, then he would be alive.

Quite frankly, I don't know where you are going with this. It is waaaay easier to obtain the power of the dying than the power of the dead. Power of the dead requires you to take the power of someone who is dead. Power of the dying just requires you to be using magic power of someone that is dying. That someone could even be yourself. Juvia when she stabbed herself was dying. She would have had the power of a dying person. Again, there is a reason Natsu was sent to be trained by Igneel. The plan was for Natsu to become strong enough during this training to take out Zeref. It's not hard to imagine why Zeref went along with this idea. Igneel is just a cut under Acnologia in power, and Acnologia is the strongest living being there is. Giving Natsu the potential to reach Igneel's level was Zeref's best bet. If merely having the power of a dead person would be enough, there are tonnes of other options. Literally have one of his minions, like Irene, eat someone's magic and then kill them. Or beat them to a pulp if you want to arguing "dying > dead", which is even easier.

Reversing time is more overpowered than stopping time, but that's besides the point. Zeref can stop time, and he doesn't need to Fairy Heart to do it. He stopped time in Tartarus when he talked to Natsu. Zeref can pretty much do what Dimaria does without Fairy Heart. Fairy Heart grants him a myriad of more overpowered abilities.
So we are supposed to view amatur translation as more official then professional even though they use the same source except that for professional not only is it their job with more time and commit aid to translate. But they can actually get in touch with mashima or his editor to ask what he meant. You don't understand how asine saying that official translations, those that are given weeks to do and come straight from japanese and license by a major company. Are less reliable then fans who translate it in their free time.Also the dragon he was referencing were the dragon that came through the time portal. Irene was spriggan so she fit. (the fact that August was her equal lends more credit to the notion). Acno came after the spriggans and FT never fought Igneel.
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Provide one god,GS and a spriggan that is stronger than a dragon\DS
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And the hype was a disappointment spriggans getting oneshotted and losing to some1 as weak as elfman and lisanna who ain’t Wendy tier
Irene, August, Larcade, Dimaria, and Brandish.
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Provide one god,GS and a spriggan that is stronger than a dragon\DS
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And the hype was a disappointment spriggans getting oneshotted and losing to some1 as weak as elfman and lisanna who ain’t Wendy tier
Especially when that spriggan fought Erza on even ground with just hand to hand combat.
 

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So we are supposed to view amatur translation as more official then professional even though they use the same source except that for professional not only is it their job with more time and commit aid to translate. But they can actually get in touch with mashima or his editor to ask what he meant. You don't understand how asine saying that official translations, those that are given weeks to do and come straight from japanese and license by a major company. Are less reliable then fans who translate it in their free time.Also the dragon he was referencing were the dragon that came through the time portal. Irene was spriggan so she fit. (the fact that August was her equal lends more credit to the notion). Acno came after the spriggans and FT never fought Igneel.
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Irene, August, Larcade, Dimaria, and Brandish.
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Especially when that spriggan fought Erza on even ground with just hand to hand combat.
None of them is stronger than acno and parents dragons what ur evidence? Irene can easily be damage by DS. August got speed blitz by acno if acno was aiming for him August he would be on the ground like god Serena. Dimaria magic wouldn’t work on a dragon cause they are highly immune to magic plus she weaker than August and Irene And natsu was able to bypass it and didn’t have any affect on laxus when he was fighting wahl. Brandish lol her magic didn’t work on enchanted neinhart who natsu low diff. Lacarade he is tricky but natsu DF easily oneshot and his magic wouldn’t work on dragons try again buddy
 

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Again, this is not the matter of strength or hax since in this series they both go hand and hand to one another, I am not saying that zancrow is stronger than Laxus, I am saying that Zancrow has strongest known flames because it is designed to outclass other flames, until Natsu found a method to incorporate those flames into himself. He cannot move in time regardless unless he has savage flames already active or is END. Those are the only two logical ways he can beat Dimaria. And for Chelia that does not make her able to move in stoped time which still requires Ultear, so no it is not a matter of strength. Other translations < Kodanshas translations. Multiple dragons is not the same as all dragons, the only thing going for said dragons are their magic immunity scales which does not say anything for their comparison to Spriggans at all or any other high level mages, and no Igneel was not described to be able to kill Zeref, he was just able to high diff challenge Acno, even Acno could not kill Zeref and he was stronger than Natsu via Savage Flames. His flames cannot effect time which is intangible, the only way his flames can effect space time is by reaching a temperature that can effect the distortion of space time via Kugelblitz. No other forms have a comprehensible temperature scale that can effect spacetime other than savage flames which he would have to activate first if he has any chance to escape. It was more immobility spell as he chooses those he wants to keep mobile. Zeref was hoping to awaken END as well to have him kill him, that was another bet Zeref had at the time. Irene was still human like Acnologia as well so no, regardless of wether they were dragons or not, dragons are not the strongest beings in the world. The matter of the fact that igneel’s Power is “theorized” to work against Zeref’s immortality specifically because it is of the dying makes it unique among other magics, regardless of it is a magic of a dead person or not, Igneel’s is unique compared to others
 

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So we are supposed to view amatur translation as more official then professional even though they use the same source except that for professional not only is it their job with more time and commit aid to translate. But they can actually get in touch with mashima or his editor to ask what he meant. You don't understand how asine saying that official translations, those that are given weeks to do and come straight from japanese and license by a major company. Are less reliable then fans who translate it in their free time.Also the dragon he was referencing were the dragon that came through the time portal. Irene was spriggan so she fit. (the fact that August was her equal lends more credit to the notion). Acno came after the spriggans and FT never fought Igneel.
Kodansha translations are the most reliable, but even they had mistranslations. Even going from crunchyroll to a hard physical copy, you can see revisions in their translations. The simplest way is just read the raws for yourself. I've tried my best to literally spell it out word for word. But if you don't trust me, you can ask around. I don't imagine responses will differ, because it's a pretty simple phrase. In any case, this is a silly discussion. Igneel is dead. Not dying. No translation can change that fact. The core of the discussion doesn't change either way. Merely having a dead person's power doesn't allow you to kill Zeref. It is ridiculously easy to get the power of a dead person in Fairy Tail, and it's happened multiple times. It is EVEN EASIER to get the power of a dying person. Makarov using Fairy Law in poor health has the power of a dying person. Juvia and Gray stabbing themselves and almost dying has the power of dying people. Natsu getting stabbed by Zeref and dying...has the power of a dying person. Dying, dead, alive...it doesn't matter. You need to be extremely powerful to stand a chance of taking down Zeref. Igneel's level by the looks of it, and END is not on that level.

Acnologia came before the Spriggans. He showed up way back in Tenrou. If you want to make the argument that GMG dragons were weaker than the Spriggans, fine. Doesn't really matter. The number of dragons that are stronger than Spriggans that we've seen in the story outnumber the ones that aren't. Not just Igneel and Acnologia, but the parent dragons, the 5 dragon gods, Animus with dragon cry. These new 5th gens also look to be shaping up to be tougher than some of the Spriggans. There's a bunch of dragon slayers on Spriggan level, or stronger. Not a single godslayer in the series is stronger than a Spriggan, except for Chelia with 3rd origin. Which is an outlier for obvious reasons. On her own, Chelia is on Wendy's level....and Wendy is the weakest dragon slayer.
 
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@WoWfan u just contradicted urself dragons are strongest being in the verse. Just because a small amount of high lvl mage can maybe beat a low lvl no name fodder dragons and (like 1% of them) doesn’t mean that dragons are not till god tier of the verse. none of the spriggans and zeref can beat named dragons/Acnologia/parents dragons . I mean mages needed help from the dragons to beat other dragons 400 years ago. That how powerful dragons were they were pretty much an unstoppable species bro. Till haven’t Provided me a god that beat a dragon as powerful as acno Ingeel and the parent dragons
 

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I did no such thing, I said that Dragons are not even the strongest in the story as there are mages stronger that can easily defeat dragons by feat and stats. The only thing stopping them from dying is their magic immunity scales Only a very few known dragons can match or even be stronger than some Spriggans. 400 years ago was then, and this is now and does not make the dragons the strongest at all. Ankhseram who even acnologia cannot kill someone who has his immortality.
 

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I did no such thing, I said that Dragons are not even the strongest in the story as there are mages stronger that can easily defeat dragons by feat and stats. Only a very few known dragons can match or even be stronger than some Spriggans. Ankhseram who even acnologia cannot kill someone who has his immortality.
Doesn’t matter how few the dragons are if no1 can beat them then by default they are the strongest. Which spriggan is stronger than the parents dragon let alone acno and igneel? But he isn’t alive and all he does curse some1 with immortality how does that prove he stronger than acno?
 

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Dragons cannot beat someone who is stronger than them which is the same predicament for them, their only means of not downing is dragon scales. Since the parent dragons have no apparent feat or comparison to Igneel, it is hard to say but they should be stronger than the average dragon. But that does not mean much. If Acnologia cannot kill Zeref then by definition that does not make him stronger than Ankhseram since this whole discussion has been about strength overcoming abilities when it is abilities that overcome abilities.
 

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Ankhseram is a big mystery of the series.

he could easily be the strongest character in the series but considering that Hiro doesn't seem to care about the lore of the Gods and only for Dragons, we will never find out.
 

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How much do you guys want to bet that Ankhseram turns out to be that cool looking dragon god flying above the rest of the dragon gods on this page?
 
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