Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

negates magic cannot be defined to Attack Potency, that is fundamental of Stats finding. Dragons flying only goes to Massively Hypersonic at best, Wizards since Battle of Fairy Tail can react to Lightning speed which is 1/3 the speed of light. it proves you wrong that the END we saw was not even the strongest version. it was stated to be death magic, besides demons can use magic as well, not just curse, nice try. Gray was at his most strongest already with Demon Marks, that is why even in his weakened condition he had to use Demon marks to challenge partial END. Invel's ice was hax, so Gray used Hax against him.

@Lax that only means Lisanna and Elfman are large country at best.

that is the best he can be since he was powered by Emotions, he was weakened by motion sickness

pretty sure that is your logic because you don't know how this works.

 

[Axiomus]

negates magic cannot be defined to Attack Potency, that is fundamental of Stats finding. Dragons flying only goes to Massively Hypersonic at best, Wizards since Battle of Fairy Tail can react to Lightning speed which is 1/3 the speed of light. it proves you wrong that the END we saw was not even the strongest version. it was stated to be death magic, besides demons can use magic as well, not just curse, nice try. Gray was at his most strongest already with Demon Marks, that is why even in his weakened condition he had to use Demon marks to challenge partial END. Invel's ice was hax, so Gray used Hax against him.

@Lax that only means Lisanna and Elfman are large country at best.

that is the best he can be since he was powered by Emotions, he was weakened by motion sickness

pretty sure that is your logic because you don't know how this works.

Negating a magic causes most wizards to fall into poor health or even die. Especially the stronger wizards. For example when Makarov got drained by Aria. The dragons were able to destroy a magical weapon.

The END we saw Gray fight was the strongest version in canon, and the only possible version achievable unless Natsu goes into his heart and decides to become a demon. Otherwise, even if Erza hadn't come, Lucy being alive would have snapped Natsu out of it anyways. Gray wasn't at his strongest against Skarion, and Gray being weaker than Brandish doesn't prove END is stronger. It makes END's feats less impressive. Also, even though Gray was injured, his rage amped him to be stronger than he was when he was just using his devil form against Invel.

You do realize Lullaby's title is literally "the cursed flute" right? In any case, here. Anyone who hears the sound of the flute falls under a death curse. Franmalth is the only demon we've seen that was using magic, and that's because his power is literally to absorb and use magic.

Spoiler: Lullaby

 

[LaGOAT]

negates magic cannot be defined to Attack Potency, that is fundamental of Stats finding. Dragons flying only goes to Massively Hypersonic at best, Wizards since Battle of Fairy Tail can react to Lightning speed which is 1/3 the speed of light. it proves you wrong that the END we saw was not even the strongest version. it was stated to be death magic, besides demons can use magic as well, not just curse, nice try. Gray was at his most strongest already with Demon Marks, that is why even in his weakened condition he had to use Demon marks to challenge partial END. Invel's ice was hax, so Gray used Hax against him.

@Lax that only means Lisanna and Elfman are large country at best.

that is the best he can be since he was powered by Emotions, he was weakened by motion sickness

pretty sure that is your logic because you don't know how this works.

Which means that ur sayin Lisanna n Elfman>ajeel>parent dragons because of higher DC

Irrelevant just like u told me same with gray he had to in POF mode for him not to be affected by brandish magic. No that was his dragon form not his human form again natsu wasn’t in perfect condition same with the rest of the 7DS

I never mention once that elfman and lisanna was large country lvl don’t pin this logic on me

 

[WoWfan]

Again, does not translate to DC, you need to find the volume of a target/explosion and multiply it by the power's destructive value. END was never at his strongest as proven since Gray was never at his strongest at the time as well. this is gray at his strongest against the Ashe DS and Brandish still effected him, and remmeber how Natsu could not beat a DS with Demolition fist? that is another evidence against you. Lullaby is labeled as Sound Magic, that does not mean anything, Kain uses death curses too, do that make him a curse user? no, since it is just magic that Lullaby uses. plus, Jackal dictates that all members of Tartaros uses Curses, so no relevance to your point there.

@Lax since you say that Lisanna and Elfman are at Large Country level that is what you want, you get right? and no, Gray was at his strongest fighting Ash DS, so he was effected by Brandish, thus END was never at his strongest. that means nothing when Natsu was already physically fine since his battle with Zeref, besides his arm, but irrelevant

 

[LaGOAT]

Again, does not translate to DC, you need to find the volume of a target/explosion and multiply it by the power's destructive value. END was never at his strongest as proven since Gray was never at his strongest at the time as well. this is gray at his strongest against the Ashe DS and Brandish still effected him, and remmeber how Natsu could not beat a DS with Demolition fist? that is another evidence against you. Lullaby is labeled as Sound Magic, that does not mean anything, Kain uses death curses too, do that make him a curse user? no, since it is just magic that Lullaby uses.

@Lax since you say that Lisanna and Elfman are at Large Country level that is what you want, you get right? and no, Gray was at his strongest fighting Ash DS, so he was effected by Brandish, thus END was never at his strongest. that means nothing when Natsu was already physically fine since his battle with Zeref, besides his arm, but irrelevant

No u did I never mention spriggans were country lvl except August and Irene. via ur powerscaling ur saying that lisanna and elfman can solo the parent dragons even tho they are highly immune to magic and till can solo because of higher DC? Lol that’s how ur logic works. Gray des=\= base gray POF u should know that by now POF>anything. End was physically fine when fighting gray I don’t get where this not perfect condition is coming from

 

[WoWfan]

So Spriggans are large country level, thank you for admitting that, well August and irene are small continent after all. Either Lisanna and Elfman are large country or not via PIS, make up your mind already! You are making no sense from your logic

 

[LaGOAT]

So Spriggans are large country level, thank you for admitting that, well August and irene are small continent after all. Either Lisanna and Elfman are large country or not via PIS, make up your mind already! You are making no sense from your logic

Reread my post I said only August n Irene r consider large country lvl at best. I honesty don’t think elfman n lisanna r county lvl because ajeel isn’t large country lvl himself but for the sake of arguing do u honestly believe that elfman n lisanna>Parent dragons because of higher DC? (Which is false btw) Even tho they r highly immune to magic?

 

[WoWfan]

Why do you keep insisting the Spriggans to be Large Country? Again, it is PIS, nothing more nothing less, and if you really think that, you really are trolling. As Spriggans scale to Brandish and Wall who one is stated to make nations disappear, and the other who’s energy can be calculated. This proves they are above most dragons

 

[CaptainTorch]

Does it really matter if the Spriggans are large country, island or mountain level? It plays no role in inverse power scaling, so it isn't a real argument.

 

[WoWfan]

Does it really matter if the Spriggans are large country, island or mountain level? It plays no role in inverse power scaling, so it isn't a real argument.

I does really, otherwise, people will say whatever they want and things descend into chaos.

 

[Axiomus]

Size matters to an extent, but you can't make up feats the characters don't have. As far as in-universe scaling goes, Ishgar is a continent and Fiore is a country. When characters within the universe talk about countries, they are talking about areas the size of Fiore. When characters in the manga talk about continents, they are talking about areas the size of Ishgar. The way WoWFan has it, people who can actually destroy countries like Fiore, which is one of the smallest countries on the map, would be multi-continental. Spriggans whom he claim to be country level, can't actually destroy any of the countrie that exists in the manga. The dragons who can actually fly across a continent (several times larger than Fiore) and destroyed a weapon capable of soloing every in the series would be....large building evel. If you scaled Fiore as a continent, then Ishgar as a whole would have more surface area than the surface of the earth. Imagine if something flew across the skies of our planet and disabled all our nuclear weapons in a matter of minutes. That's basically the scale of what the dragons did to Ishgar. Now imagine instead of attacking 3000 faces, they decided to turn their attention and just roared at say.....200-300 cities. How screwed would the humans be?

Again, does not translate to DC, you need to find the volume of a target/explosion and multiply it by the power's destructive value. END was never at his strongest as proven since Gray was never at his strongest at the time as well. this is gray at his strongest against the Ashe DS and Brandish still effected him, and remmeber how Natsu could not beat a DS with Demolition fist? that is another evidence against you. Lullaby is labeled as Sound Magic, that does not mean anything, Kain uses death curses too, do that make him a curse user? no, since it is just magic that Lullaby uses. plus, Jackal dictates that all members of Tartaros uses Curses, so no relevance to your point there.

@Lax since you say that Lisanna and Elfman are at Large Country level that is what you want, you get right? and no, Gray was at his strongest fighting Ash DS, so he was effected by Brandish, thus END was never at his strongest. that means nothing when Natsu was already physically fine since his battle with Zeref, besides his arm, but irrelevant

It doesn't need to translate to AoE to be more impressive than the Spriggans.The dragons took out 3000 faces across the continent within a couple of minutes, something that no Spriggan can come even close to achieving. The Spriggans themselves have never shown an attack above city level except for the hype that Ars Magia has. Though skimming through your conversation with Laxus pwns Natsu, I see that you're willing to scale Elfman and Lisanna as country level for having beaten Ajeel. Which is ridiculous. Elfman and Lisanna can't destroy a country. Ajeel's best attack, sand world, was only city level and couldn't destroy a country. The Spriggans have been defeated by characters who aren't anywhere close to country level. It's ridiculous to have Elfman and Lisanna running around at country level, when Natsu/Laxus at their best are maybe mountain level with their best attacks.

Gray not being at his strongest doesn't prove that END was not as his strongest. If anything, Gray not being at his strongest only makes END look weak because Gray was stalemating END. In any case, Gray was the strongest he's ever been when he faced END. His rage over Juvia's death outweighs whatever wounds he had. Objectively, Gray performed better in base mode with this PoF amp than he did with his devil slaying marks against Invel. Against END he had both this PoF amp and his demon marks. Gray was not at his strongest against Skarion because his emotions were not pushed to that level. When Gray was just using his demon marks, Invel's ice lock worked on him. When Gray was enraged over Juvia's death, Invel's strongest ice was broken with a punch. Madmole's durability outweighed the attack power behind Natsu's FDK demolition fist. I fail to see how this proves your point. If anything that just goes to show how powerful these 5th generation dragon slayers are compared to the Spriggans that Natsu was stomping.

The manga says Lullaby is using a curse. You act like accepting what the manga says is the most ridiculous thing in the world. If the manga says Kain Hikaru's doll is also a curse, then he's using a curse. I have no problem accepting that. I'm not even sure where you are going with this. The Tartarus members have never met Natsu prior to Tartarus. So even if other demons don't use curses, the fact that the Tartarus demons have curses means that END couldn't possibly have created it. It would mean Zeref created a bunch of powerless demons to try to kill himself, which is silly. Mard Geer got a lot of things wrong about END. It didn't create Tartarus, and it didn't invent curse power. Mard Geer had no clue that END was standing right in front of him, even when heavy obvious clues like Natsu telling him he was Igneel's son.

 

[WoWfan]

So answer this, is Trunks mountain level? Fiore is the size of the US or likely Antarctic from scaling. You cannot deny it. This is actual science involved, along with scaling which is factually correct. There is no proof to what you say since Dragons never fought Spriggans and the story confirms they are the strongest enemies FT ever fought (besides Zeref and Acno) and Dragons are enemies, so they are by definition weaker. Science does not care what you think. It does prove that END was not at his strongest since Gray was at his strongest at the time of Ash DS which is stronger than Alvarez Gray who was weak conditioned and yet used his strongest form yet was still effected by Brandish shows END was not at his strongest at the time. Curse as in magic, because Demons of Tartarus are confirmed users of Curses, you cannot make things up as you go along. Natsu as END has curse power, and Bradman, get over it.

 

[LaGOAT]

Why do you keep insisting the Spriggans to be Large Country? Again, it is PIS, nothing more nothing less, and if you really think that, you really are trolling. As Spriggans scale to Brandish and Wall who one is stated to make nations disappear, and the other who’s energy can be calculated. This proves they are above most dragons

Yep August and Irene I believe are large country lvl The rest are not try to reread my post bro. brandish is small island lvl. How is wall country lvl can u show me a link n what feat did he display as large country lvl? I’m not trolling beaten a spriggan doesn’t automatically make ur DC AT COUNTRY LVL is what I’m saying. base natsu casually oneshot enchanted nienhart doesn’t that mean that now bae natsu punches are country lvl?? Parents dragon can easily speed blitzed the spriggans as they were easily able to destroy face in seconds and that them in their half dead state

 

[WoWfan]

So you agree that any Spriggans are Large Country to Small Continent level, thank you for admitting that. already shown you with scientific calculation backing it up with Magnetic Confinement Fusion, it does actually as that is what makes you scale to that character when you find a way to counter said character's attack or dura or speed, etc. Spriggans are well in the high Massively HS-Sub Relativistic, while Dragons are Massively MS.

 

[Axiomus]

That is literally the opposite of what Laxus pwns Natsu just said lol.

So answer this, is Trunks mountain level? Fiore is the size of the US or likely Antarctic from scaling. You cannot deny it. This is actual science involved, along with scaling which is factually correct. There is no proof to what you say since Dragons never fought Spriggans and the story confirms they are the strongest enemies FT ever fought (besides Zeref and Acno) and Dragons are enemies, so they are by definition weaker. Science does not care what you think. It does prove that END was not at his strongest since Gray was at his strongest at the time of Ash DS which is stronger than Alvarez Gray who was weak conditioned and yet used his strongest form yet was still effected by Brandish shows END was not at his strongest at the time. Curse as in magic, because Demons of Tartarus are confirmed users of Curses, you cannot make things up as you go along. Natsu as END has curse power, and Bradman, get over it.

I do not know about, nor care for Trunks. I haven't seen his feats. He's irrelevant to Fairy Tail anyways.

The parent dragons were not enemies.

Gray not being at his strongest doesn't prove END wasn't at its strongest. Those are two different things. Gray not being at his strongest just makes END look weaker.

Lol. Curse as in curse. Curses are just a type of magic that draws power from negative emotions instead of love anyways.

 

[WoWfan]

then you do not have any say in Scaling or how power measurement works, he is relevant to the discussion as it determines how to measure a character's stats. but Parent Dragons scale to around regular Dragons without any impressive feats. Gray was at his strongest fighting Ash Dragon Slayer yet was effected by Brandish, thus proving END was never at his strongest since partial END fought a not well conditioned strongest form Gray. Curse Power as in Curse Power, not Curse as in Curse Magic, which is very noticeable when fighting someone who has Curse or Magic. Curses are considered different from mainstream Magic by any regards, they only have one connection and that is their origin, that is it

 

[Axiomus]

then you do not have any say in Scaling or how power measurement works, he is relevant to the discussion as it determines how to measure a character's stats. but Parent Dragons scale to around regular Dragons without any impressive feats. Gray was at his strongest fighting Ash Dragon Slayer yet was effected by Brandish, thus proving END was never at his strongest since partial END fought a not well conditioned strongest form Gray. Curse Power as in Curse Power, not Curse as in Curse Magic, which is very noticeable when fighting someone who has Curse or Magic. Curses are considered different from mainstream Magic by any regards, they only have one connection and that is their origin, that is it

You want to see how scaling would work for the parent dragons? When Wendy destroyed one of the faces, she only destroyed its physical form. It's remaining magical power still had the ability to do this. Faces magical power was still working to wipe out the magic in that area.

When Carla set that magical power to explode, it gave off this explosion. This is easily a city-level blast. The 5 parent dragons didn't just wipe out the face's physical form. They destroyed the magic itself. Each face had enough magical power to wipe out a city. The parent dragons did this 3000 times, averaging out 750 faces each. Look how much damage a Spriggan like Ajeel took when he took a blast from Jupiter canon. Look at how Brandish was KO'd by Evergreen. Do you honestly think that the parent dragons, who soloed hundred of these, are comparable?

Gray was not at his strongest fighting Skarion because he was not amped up on rage like he was when he thought Juvia died. For the sake of argument, let's say I concede that Brandish is stronger than Gray. That still doesn't prove END was not as strong as it possibly could be during his fight with Gray. That would just mean END's feats weren't very impressive because Gray's not that strong to begin with. Doesn't help your END hype.

Curses are just a type of magic that uses negative emotions. Sure, it's different enough that face won't affect it, but that just means curses are a special type of magic. It doesn't mean Kain's doll and Lullaby weren't curses. In any case, I've already explained why it doesn't matter. Even if the only demons that use curses are from Tartarus, the fact that END never had any contact with them would prove that he never created curses unless you'd like to think those demons were powerless before learning from END. Also, it's not noticeable in a fight at all. Literally none of the characters noticed that there was something strange about the demon's powers. The only reason they know there's a difference between curse power and magic is because the demons told them there's a difference.

 

[LaGOAT]

So you agree that Spriggans are Large Country to Small Continent level, thank you for admitting that. already shown you with scientific calculation backing it up with Magnetic Confinement Fusion, it does actually as that is what makes you scale to that character when you find a way to counter said character's attack or dura or speed, etc. Spriggans are well in the high Massively HS-Sub Relativistic, while Dragons are Massively MS.

So from ur calculations ajeel is country lvl

So you agree that any Spriggans are Large Country to Small Continent level, thank you for admitting that. already shown you with scientific calculation backing it up with Magnetic Confinement Fusion, it does actually as that is what makes you scale to that character when you find a way to counter said character's attack or dura or speed, etc. Spriggans are well in the high Massively HS-Sub Relativistic, while Dragons are Massively MS.

ok even tho I didn’t say that (cuz I don’t know what ur reading for u to twist my words) again for argument sake u agree that base natsu punches are large country lvl but u can’t accpet that lisaana and elfman are large country lvl? That contradict ur “science cals” I guess a fodder like Mest is country lvl too because he was able to mind control brandish easily.
1. They were in their half state form not full power now science and logic would say that at full power they are stronger and faster than what they showed 2.they are highly immune to magic spiggans cant put damage on them 3.i just remember that they have an ablity erase memories an op ablilty ya spriggans stands no chance

 

[WoWfan]

That is when a Face self destructs, and thanks for that, the proves that it is not continent level like you said. again, wiping out magic does not equal to DC, just hax, and City < Mountain, not impressive there, and no, there is no proof that they destroyed the magic of Face, just the structures which disabled the spell, this is not the same when Wendy destroyed a Face because this was before activation. yes he was at his strongest, he was using the black marks which is his strongest form, plus he was not physically nor magically exhausted, yet can still be amped anyway, either it is darkness or PoF, which Brandish still managed to effect him with, uh, Evergreen did not KO Brandish, you are trolling now. Curses comes from "The One Magic" not magic in general, just like how Magic comes from "The One Magic", Kain's and Lullaby are depicted as only magic, just like how Lucy and Gajeel described it in their battles. now you are fishing here for desperate information.

@Lax, that is why there is such a thing called PIS, either we don't take that seriously or we do, if you are seriously not trolling then you would not pick the latter. mind control is hax, not DC. Half state does not say much as they did not perform any impressive feats that would make them above a Dragon's roar, again, Dragon Scales just makes them immune to magic, does not make them any stronger than what they can or can't do. and that the demons from Tartaros can use curses, which tells that the curses you are referring to are not really curse powers.

 

[Axiomus]

That is when a Face self destructs, and thanks for that, the proves that it is not continent level like you said. again, wiping out magic does not equal to DC, just hax, and City < Mountain, not impressive there, and no, there is no proof that they destroyed the magic of Face, just the structures which disabled the spell, this is not the same when Wendy destroyed a Face because this was before activation. yes he was at his strongest, he was using the black marks which is his strongest form, plus he was not physically nor magically exhausted, yet can still be amped anyway, either it is darkness or PoF, which Brandish still managed to effect him with, uh, Evergreen did not KO Brandish, you are trolling now. Curses comes from "The One Magic" not magic in general, just like how Magic comes from "The One Magic", Kain's and Lullaby are depicted as only magic, just like how Lucy and Gajeel described it in their battles. now you are fishing here for desperate information.

@Lax, that is why there is such a thing called PIS, either we don't take that seriously or we do, if you are seriously not trolling then you would not pick the latter. mind control is hax, not DC. Half state does not say much as they did not perform any impressive feats that would make them above a Dragon's roar, again, Dragon Scales just makes them immune to magic, does not make them any stronger than what they can or can't do. and that the demons from Tartaros can use curses, which tells that the curses you are referring to are not really curse powers.

Face is a continental weapons system. Together, the 3000 faces have enough magical power to wipe out all magic on a continent. When that same magic power is translated into an explosion, each face could wipe out a city. The dragons destroyed 3000 faces, which is a lot more impressive than any of the Spriggan 12's feats. Except for maybe August's Ars Magia or Universe One. The way the manga is drawn Magnolia is actually much larger than the mountain ranges surrounding it. You can see the explosion for itself. It is larger than the mountains surrounding it. Destroying a face before it's activation is actually easier. An activated face would still have all the power they had before, but would now be draining power from everyone around them. If Face had activated, Carla wouldn't even be able to use the magic to detonate the explosion. In fact, even Fairy Heart couldn't have stopped face once it activated, as Makarov noted it was too late. This just makes the dragons, who were still using magic as everyone else were getting wiped, all the more impressive.

Using his black marks =/= Gray at his strongest. Gray had his black marks when he first fought Invel. Invel destroyed his ice devil's longsword and beat him and Juvia using ice lock. Gray had no devil marks when he rematched Invel with darkness in his heart. This time, his punch broke Invel's strongest and most hax ice, and his ice-make imitated the ice, and Gray won. Gray was nowhere near as enraged with Skarion as he was against Invel. This is really no different than Dragon Force being Natsu's strongest form, but power of feelings made him stronger in base when he fought Zeref. Also, like I've stated many times before, none of this makes END any more impressive.

Evergreen did not KO Brandish, my mistake. I meant Cana. Which is in many ways worse. Cana is not KOing a dragon either.

Curses did not directly come from the One Magic. The One Magic is love. All magic came from the One Magic, which is love, and then deviated from it. Curses was one deviation that drew power from negative emotions, like hate, vengeance, and anger instead of love. Again this proves that curses are special, not that Kain's doll and Lullaby didn't use curses. If the manga says that something uses a curse, it uses a curse. It's just that simple. Also, even if Lullaby and Kain's doll weren't curses, that changes nothing. My point about END not having invented curses still stands, because the demons of Tartarus all have never met END and yet all possess curse powers tied to their biology.