"Except Larcade isn't the third strongest S12" Based on what? Nothing contradicted that statement. Beaten by sting doesn't make him weaker than other spriggans. It just means Sting with dual elements is on that level.
And again Just because Diabolos are not Stronger than Irene and August doesn't mean they aren't Spriggan tier. And at no point during the last arc did ANYONE show that they could easily beat August and Irene. If Irene and August came back right now team ft would still struggle just as much as the first time. There was never a point where they would not struggle against an opponent of that level so trying to use them as gauges to say that the main chars have gotten weaker is just silly. It would be another thing if we had a situation where we knew that these guys were weaker than jacob and neinhart but team ft was still struggling. however these guys are clearly stronger than them. They are stronger than Spriggans like Jacob and Neinhart but so far weaker than August and Irene (Other Diabolos members will most likely be stronger). How is that so hard for you to understand?
Also whether or not the heat was mentioned doesn't really matter as again he controls what it affects. Natsu in the fight against erigor melted steel so according to your logic because no significant heat was mentioned , his fire during his fight against mard geer is weaker than his fire during his fight with Erigor. Also according to your logic, since gray hasn't used Devil slaying attacks yet against the water dragon god he no longer has DS magic. Those two things are ridiculous but that's what you are suggesting with your statements.
There are no retcons and the characters have not gotten weaker. Your powerscaling just sucks and you want to try and rewrite the story to make your powerscaling make sense.
Okay. Pleasure greater than Timestop, BFR between Life and Death, Tartarus Hax, Invel's mind control hax, and Mass Manipulation? Like lol. Yeah the other S12 besides Neinheart weren't getting tossed by base form characters. Like Sting literally the weakest in base form was putting the hurt on Larcade. That's enough to show me his hype was false. He is the Jeimma of the S12. Mard said Jeimma was stronger than the other 9D which was completely false when he got beat by Sting and Rogue in base who both went down to base Natsu in DF.
And again I never said they aren't S12 tier. They just aren't high+ S12 tier.
What? You do know Natsu's fire was vaporizing Mard's vines which is harder than steel? Plus Melting Steel is baby magic to him and his heat. Vaporizing an entire lake by just powering up shows a lot different scale of heat then that feat against Madmole. FDKM Demo-fist > Base Demo-fist.
He used DeS against the Diabolos guild and a year after he got the power so try again.
Jacob claps and Natsu's dead. He ain't got nothing in his arsenal to stop Transport and that's a fact.
Sounds like you're bias af for FT to be honest. FT just ain't got BS on there side and their PLs are back to the level of what they're supppsed to be. That's evident in how they stack against the WDG where it's clearly showing they can't even scratch him.
You totally dodge the analysis bcs you have selective reading when it comes to feats.
Erza buffed by Wendy to do DS attacks can't hurt the WDG while Erza at EoS was able to smack Acno out of the sky with no DS magic. It's clear as hell that Erza is not performing nowhere near the same level she performed at the end of the series. She doesn't have BS anymore therefore can't do what she did to Acno to the WDG. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. They are weaker without the PIS/BS they got at the EoS.
My logic and deduction are sound and are backed up by their latest showing of feats which pale in comparison to their EoS feats.
You can keep trying to deny the facts presented in this arc. FT was not ready to combat the Alvarez army let alone the God tiers of the verse.
