Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[LaGOAT]

Laxus is stronger than Jellal. He has better feats and wouldn't have easily been defeated by Neinhart. Brandish, DiMaria, or Gild could straight up oneshot these guys. They all have the ability to end the fight in one go. Gildarts crush almost killed August in one hit and the other two are pretty self explanatory.

Ok by ur logic Cana oneshot brandish. Do Cana is on her tier. Gildartz isn’t oneshot laxus neither is dimaria and brandish. brandish couldn’t beat enchanted neinhart but base natsu could so by ur logic base natsu>brandish I told u that dimaria didn’t affect wahl and laxus unless u admit that her hax was an area of effect move.

 

[Arjuna]

I personally put Jellal and Laxus on the same level, below Gildarts and above Base Natsu.

 

[Jko]

Ok by ur logic Cana oneshot brandish. Do Cana is on her tier. Gildartz isn’t oneshot laxus neither is dimaria and brandish. brandish couldn’t beat enchanted neinhart but base natsu could so by ur logic base natsu>brandish I told u that dimaria didn’t affect wahl and laxus unless u admit that her hax was an area of effect move.

One is gag which literally has a gag face while the other is not. Gild's crash is an automatic oneshot to those guys. If August didn't have his hax he would've been killed by All Crush. Timestop + Sword through the head would oneshot Laxus or she could make him feel all his fights prior + the pain from the MCBs all at once which would kill him. Brandish organ bust or makes him a subatomic particle.

They were both effected if not we would've saw there attacks. Nothing in the manga ever suggested they were fighting while time was stopped and the anime even further supports this fact as you see don't see the timestop filter in the Wall vs. Laxus. Her ts has already shown to work on another S12 and TS was only ever countered not beat out by power. Again you have given zero evidence that they were fighting in TS and I have given you an abundance of evidence that debunk your claim. If it was an area of effect move then it would've only cover the battlefield but it obviously effected way more than that as Ultear who was near Crocus was also effected. Brandish couldn't effect Neinhart due to Irene's enchantment. She already oneshotted Natsu right after he beat Neinhart and also affected on several different occasions. She also effected August in battle mode. If MP bypassed her hax then she wouldn't have been surprised her magic didn't work as she already knew his MP was above her's.

 

[LaGOAT]

One is gag which literally has a gag face while the other is not. Gild's crash is an automatic oneshot to those guys. If August didn't have his hax he would've been killed by All Crush. Timestop + Sword through the head would oneshot Laxus or she could make him feel all his fights prior + the pain from the MCBs all at once which would kill him. Brandish organ bust or makes him a subatomic particle.

They were both effected if not we would've saw there attacks. Nothing in the manga ever suggested they were fighting while time was stopped and the anime even further supports this fact as you see don't see the timestop filter in the Wall vs. Laxus. Her ts has already shown to work on another S12 and TS was only ever countered not beat out by power. Again you have given zero evidence that they were fighting in TS and I have given you an abundance of evidence that debunk your claim. If it was an area of effect move then it would've only cover the battlefield but it obviously effected way more than that as Ultear who was near Crocus was also effected. Brandish couldn't effect Neinhart due to Irene's enchantment. She already oneshotted Natsu right after he beat Neinhart and also affected on several different occasions. She also effected August in battle mode. If MP bypassed her hax then she wouldn't have been surprised her magic didn't work as she already knew his MP was above her's.

Jellal save kagura from getting from the blast u know as well as I do jellal is way stronger than neinhart. By ur logic brandish and dimaria could oneshot gildartz since their hax>gildartz.

No weren’t effect if they were hiro would have shown the range and who was were effected instead we saw that it effected fodders and the battlefield . We saw the other another spriggans area of effect (ajeel sand world Irene universe one invel snowstorm) but strangely not for dimaria. 2. It was shown in the panel that both wahl and dimaria was fighting at the same but yet we was able to see them fighting plus the map shown that laxus was able to beat wahl before dimaria was. Ultear cleared stated that she exists in the TS world no proof that it effect ultear back in circus

So explain why brandish couldn’t beat enchanted nienhart but natsu could be he was able to effect natsu? End proof that power can overpower hax that same end went toe to toe with gray and was casually stop by erza. August let her heal him u know that right?

 

[Valhalla]

I think the time stop thing is still a very debatable subject. You can debate and say that Hiro never showed other top tier characters to be affected by it, fine, but he also never showed that they werent. So your basically left with your own theories how the time stop stuff works to beign with. I believe that time does not have range, cuz if it had range than what Dimaria is manipulating is perception like Racer (basically a super maxed out slow magic) or straight up creating a pocket dimension that is outside time (which can be the case, but we never got any statement that would imply that).

In my own headcanon Dimaria manipulates time itself (like she stated in the manga), and her magic has no range cuz time does not have range. To God, time is a physical object that can be manipulated cuz God is outside time (this is some college level philosophy ), so it would be pretty logical Dimaria can do that since she is the vessel of the very god of time right (Dimaria states that she is alone in the world, key word is "world"). Thats why i think only characters that are the very counter to time stop or have magic power superior to a god can bypass it. I think neither Laxus or Jellal could beat Dimaria. Sure they are greater fighters than her, but they dont have the magic power to bypass the time stop (Gildarts is tricky cuz it was never stated how high his magic power was, but i was always under the impression that it was on the same level as Makarov, so question is, was it on the same level or even higher after the time skip ..... if it is on Makarov tier, he loses to Dimaria, if it is higher, than there is a possiblity he can bypass it). The one thing i am sure is that the spriggans have the highest magic power in the verse (not counting dragons and Fairy Heart, or other deities if there ever were ones). As fighters most of them are trash, but MPwise they are still on a different tier.

Also i think Alvarez arc and the Spriggan 12 fights in general were more about who can counter who. Thats why its pretty hard to gauge were they stand with the top tier of FT guild fighters or globally for that matter. One time there is a spriggan who can demolish a top tier character, but other time the very same spriggan straight up loses like trash against a weaker character cuz that character they are fighting is their very counter.

Just my thoughts about how i see things

 

[Arjuna]

I think the time stop thing is still a very debatable subject. You can debate and say that Hiro never showed other top tier characters to be affected by it, fine, but he also never showed that they werent. So your basically left with your own theories how the time stop stuff works to beign with. I believe that time does not have range, cuz if it had range than what Dimaria is manipulating is perception like Racer (basically a super maxed out slow magic) or straight up creating a pocket dimension that is outside time (which can be the case, but we never got any statement that would imply that).

In my own headcanon Dimaria manipulates time itself (like she stated in the manga), and her magic has no range cuz time does not have range. To God, time is a physical object that can be manipulated cuz God is outside time (this is some college level philosophy ), so it would be pretty logical Dimaria can do that since she is the vessel of the very god of time right (Dimaria states that she is alone in the world, key word is "world"). Thats why i think only characters that are the very counter to time stop or have magic power superior to a god can bypass it. I think neither Laxus or Jellal could beat Dimaria. Sure they are greater fighters than her, but they dont have the magic power to bypass the time stop (Gildarts is tricky cuz it was never stated how high his magic power was, but i was always under the impression that it was on the same level as Makarov, so question is was it on the same level or even higher after the time skip). The one thing i am sure is that the spriggans have the highest magic power in the verse (not counting dragons and Fairy Heart, or other deities if there ever were ones). As fighters most of them are trash, but MPwise they are still on a different tier.

Also i think Alvarez arc and the Spriggan 12 fights in general were more about who can counter who. Thats why its pretty hard to gauge were they stand with the top tier of FT guild fighters or globally for that matter. One time there is a spriggan who can demolish a top tier character, but other time the very same spriggan straight up loses like trash against a weaker character cuz that character they are fighting is their very counter.

Just my thoughts about how i see things

Gildarts's magic power was stated to be very large in the Alvarez Arc by Wendy so i suspect he is at least as strong as the mid tier Spriggans in magic power.Her reaction was no different from whenever she met another Spriggan.

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[Valhalla]

Gildarts's magic power was stated to be very large in the Alvarez Arc by Wendy so i suspect he is at least as strong as the mid tier Spriggans in magic power.Her reaction was no different from whenever she met another Spriggan.

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damn that was one heck of a fast reply, nice
I interpreted that as a combined clash of two monster level magic power levels (but mind you, that was still a historia in action). Still i think you have a valid point with Gildarts

 

[Jko]

Jellal save kagura from getting from the blast u know as well as I do jellal is way stronger than neinhart. By ur logic brandish and dimaria could oneshot gildartz since their hax>gildartz.

No weren’t effect if they were hiro would have shown the range and who was were effected instead we saw that it effected fodders and the battlefield . We saw the other another spriggans area of effect (ajeel sand world Irene universe one invel snowstorm) but strangely not for dimaria. 2. It was shown in the panel that both wahl and dimaria was fighting at the same but yet we was able to see them fighting plus the map shown that laxus was able to beat wahl before dimaria was. Ultear cleared stated that she exists in the TS world no proof that it effect ultear back in circus

So explain why brandish couldn’t beat enchanted nienhart but natsu could be he was able to effect natsu? End proof that power can overpower hax that same end went toe to toe with gray and was casually stop by erza. August let her heal him u know that right?

Jellal got smack and was KOed from Neinhart. If anything Jellal just has more attack power and speed but he isn't on an entire different caliber as he got KOed by him. Neinhart who while enhanced couldn't do a single thing but scratch up base Natsu and Brandish. Yes they can. Their hax will allow them a oneshot.

Yes they were. You have absolutely zero proof of what you're claiming while I have shown you dozens. If they were moving in timestop then how tf did we not see the nukes that were being tossed? Why wouldn't DiMaria who clearly says they are the only people in the world to be able to move not be surprised by this fact? Where was the filtered timestop that was showcased within the anime (which the final season is canon)? How was Brandish affected yet Laxus wasn't when Brandish MP eclipses Laxus by a lot? You have zero proof that they were moving in timestop. That map is not proof either as why tf would it display DiMaria already defeated by Sherria when the fight was still undecided at the time? Hiro wouldn't want to show a winner to a fight that has never happened yet. She was only there because time was stopped where she was at. She literally says that because of this time anomaly she was able to exist in the first place. Timestop effected the area where Ultear was at which further proved the multiple statements that DiMaria stops the flow of time.

She never said she couldn't beat Neinhart. She only said her magic was useless due to Irene's enchantment. She could have easily smacked him in giant body which manhandle Natsu or dropped an island on his face. In no way was it indicated that she couldn't beat Neinhart. E.N.D. doesn't even use curse or magical power therefore him overpowering their hax was due to his ability as E.N.D. Mashima even states this in an afterword that only E.N.D.'s ability was able to do this. It had nothing to do with power levels as Gray was able to fight on par with Psuedo E.N.D. and Gray would get merked by Brandish or DiMaria in one hit. She wouldn't have said only E.N.D. when they all know that Acno exists and Acno has a counter to timestop. He doesn't just power through it with power levels. E.N.D. was made to break the curse of immortality which is hax. Why the heck wouldn't be able to bypass other hax which are below that caliber.

 

[Arjuna]

Well Dimaria's case might be ambiguous might Brandish clearly states her magic didn't work on Neinhart because he became stronger than her

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[Jko]

Well Dimaria's case might be ambiguous might Brandish clearly states her magic didn't work on Neinhart because he became stronger than her

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Nothing indicated magical power. She wouldn't be surprised it didn't work when she knew his MP was above hers before she even tried using mass manipulation. Her magic also worked on August in battle mode.

 

[Arjuna]

Nothing indicated magical power. She wouldn't be surprised it didn't work when she knew his MP was above hers before she even tried using mass manipulation. Her magic also worked on August in battle mode.

August allowed her to heal her,no caster magic would have worked on August if he didn't want it.


What I get from this panel is that Brandish is saying as Neinhart became stronger than her so her magic didn't work on him.You are free to accept or reject my opinion.

 

[Jko]

August allowed her to heal her,no caster magic would have worked on August if he didn't want it.


What I get from this panel is that Brandish is saying as Neinhart became stronger than her so her magic didn't work on him.You are free to accept or reject my opinion.

That would be due to August's hax and not MP. If MP was truly a restriction to her magic then she wouldn't be able to effect August at all bcs his MP would be way too high and especially way higher than Neinhart's.

I took that as Irene's enchantment is what blocking Randi's hax thus she ask how strong did Irene make him to stop hax like hers.

 

[Axiomus]

Irene's enchantment just gave Neinhart more magic power though. It wouldn't have made any sense for Irene to enchant Neinhart to be immune to Brandish's magic because she was enchanting him to take out Erza. It's not like the mere act of enchanting someone makes you immune to every type of magic that would be considered hax. Hax is largely a term used by the fans. It's not an actual type of magic like dragon slaying, takeover, or molding magic. It's just something we use to describe powers that typically don't involve beating the opponent over the head with physical force. Abilities that are considered hax are as different from each other just as much as they are from any other types of magic that would not be considered hax. Age seal, mass manipulation, and copy are all considered hax by the fans, but the 3 types of magic are not related to each other whatsoever. They are just as different from each other as they are to dragon slaying magic. If Irene could make someone immune to every single type of magic that is considered hax, then she might as well make them immune to all magic that exist. Cuz the distinction is arbitrary.

 

[Arjuna]

Oh Yeah i had forgotten about this panel too

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[Jko]

Irene's enchantment just gave Neinhart more magic power though. It wouldn't have made any sense for Irene to enchant Neinhart to be immune to Brandish's magic because she was enchanting him to take out Erza. It's not like the mere act of enchanting someone makes you immune to every type of magic that would be considered hax. Hax is largely a term used by the fans. It's not an actual type of magic like dragon slaying, takeover, or molding magic. It's just something we use to describe powers that typically don't involve beating the opponent over the head with physical force. Abilities that are considered hax are as different from each other just as much as they are from any other types of magic that would not be considered hax. Age seal, mass manipulation, and copy are all considered hax by the fans, but the 3 types of magic are not related to each other whatsoever. They are just as different from each other as they are to dragon slaying magic. If Irene could make someone immune to every single type of magic that is considered hax, then she might as well make them immune to all magic that exist. Cuz the distinction is arbitrary.

Her enchantment protecting Neinhart is the only explanation that would make sense. It could easily be because enchantments has the property of imbuing magic into something which would counter effect Brandish ability to manipulate the mass of someone. So let's say Freed's ability to write runes on people wouldn't work either has he wouldn't be able to imbue his magic into since Irene's enchantment is there. She couldn't manipulate his magic because Irene's enchantment is what was in him. Like I said if magic power was the reason that her mass manipulation didn't work then why the heck would Brandish be surprised it didn't work when she already felt his mp? How would she be able to manipulate August's body when he was in battle mode? Neinhart's mp being stronger was not the reason and his body being stronger would be a joke bcs he got stomped by base Natsu.

Oh Yeah i had forgotten about this panel too

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That was E.N.D.'s ability not because of his power. Power wise he couldn't even beat Gray who Brandish would stomp as seen when she shrunk him to save him from Skullion's hax.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 15, 2019, Original Post Date: Apr 14, 2019 ---

Watched the new episode and Mira is overpowered. She just vaporized a sea along with hill sized rock formations with just her magic release.

Holy hell Mira just definitely got upgraded in my tier list.

 

[Axiomus]

Her enchantment protecting Neinhart is the only explanation that would make sense. It could easily be because enchantments has the property of imbuing magic into something which would counter effect Brandish ability to manipulate the mass of someone. So let's say Freed's ability to write runes on people wouldn't work either has he wouldn't be able to imbue his magic into since Irene's enchantment is there. She couldn't manipulate his magic because Irene's enchantment is what was in him. Like I said if magic power was the reason that her mass manipulation didn't work then why the heck would Brandish be surprised it didn't work when she already felt his mp? How would she be able to manipulate August's body when he was in battle mode? Neinhart's mp being stronger was not the reason and his body being stronger would be a joke bcs he got stomped by base Natsu.

Are you saying that enchanting some magic power into someone else makes them immune to magic that is considered hax? So would Wendy enchanting her magic into someone make them immune to all types of hax? Come to think of it Dragon Slaying magic (and probably the other slaying magics) are a form of enchantment. Does that mean every dragon slayer is immune to hax? What about Natsu when Wendy enchanted everyone's power into him? Or Erza's sword when Wendy enchanted her magic into it. Or the rest of team Natsu when Wendy enchanted her dragon slaying magic into them. Do they all get immunity to magic that are considered hax? What about the Alvarez troops that Irene enchanted with berserker? Why did Fairy Tail work on them?

Where do you rank Mira now?

 

[Jko]

Are you saying that enchanting some magic power into someone else makes them immune to magic that is considered hax? So would Wendy enchanting her magic into someone make them immune to all types of hax? Come to think of it Dragon Slaying magic (and probably the other slaying magics) are a form of enchantment. Does that mean every dragon slayer is immune to hax? What about Natsu when Wendy enchanted everyone's power into him? Or Erza's sword when Wendy enchanted her magic into it. Or the rest of team Natsu when Wendy enchanted her dragon slaying magic into them. Do they all get immunity to magic that are considered hax?

What about the Alvarez troops that Irene enchanted with berserker? Why did Fairy Tail work on them?

Were did you get I said that? I never said it works on all hax. I said Irene's power is to imbue thing with her magic a.k.a. high enchant. Her enchantment probably protects bodily hax like Brandish since her magic is imbue inside of them. Wendy nor the DS have any form of High Enchant so they wouldn't be able to counter the hax.... Either way it was the enchantment that protected Neinhart and not his MP. If it was Brandish wouldn't have been shocked and wouldn't have effected August. She would have outright said his MP is too high for me to effect.

Fairy Law ignores durability... and is different from Brandish hax. Not to mention she didn't directly put her hax into one of them but did an enchant on a wider scale.

 

[GL_Nova]

Jellal got smack and was KOed from Neinhart. If anything Jellal just has more attack power and speed but he isn't on an entire different caliber as he got KOed by him. Neinhart who while enhanced couldn't do a single thing but scratch up base Natsu and Brandish. Yes they can. Their hax will allow them a oneshot.

Yes they were. You have absolutely zero proof of what you're claiming while I have shown you dozens. If they were moving in timestop then how tf did we not see the nukes that were being tossed? Why wouldn't DiMaria who clearly says they are the only people in the world to be able to move not be surprised by this fact? Where was the filtered timestop that was showcased within the anime (which the final season is canon)? How was Brandish affected yet Laxus wasn't when Brandish MP eclipses Laxus by a lot? You have zero proof that they were moving in timestop. That map is not proof either as why tf would it display DiMaria already defeated by Sherria when the fight was still undecided at the time? Hiro wouldn't want to show a winner to a fight that has never happened yet. She was only there because time was stopped where she was at. She literally says that because of this time anomaly she was able to exist in the first place. Timestop effected the area where Ultear was at which further proved the multiple statements that DiMaria stops the flow of time.

She never said she couldn't beat Neinhart. She only said her magic was useless due to Irene's enchantment. She could have easily smacked him in giant body which manhandle Natsu or dropped an island on his face. In no way was it indicated that she couldn't beat Neinhart. E.N.D. doesn't even use curse or magical power therefore him overpowering their hax was due to his ability as E.N.D. Mashima even states this in an afterword that only E.N.D.'s ability was able to do this. It had nothing to do with power levels as Gray was able to fight on par with Psuedo E.N.D. and Gray would get merked by Brandish or DiMaria in one hit. She wouldn't have said only E.N.D. when they all know that Acno exists and Acno has a counter to timestop. He doesn't just power through it with power levels. E.N.D. was made to break the curse of immortality which is hax. Why the heck wouldn't be able to bypass other hax which are below that caliber.

You keep repeating he got KOed as though that validates your entire argument. Yet you ignore the context, which is Jellal only getting hit to shield a non listening Kagura and then having an anchor land on him under water. Its made even more confusing by how easily Jellal dealt with him once Kagura stopped being a hindrance. If your logic is the deciding factor, Neinhart belongs in top tier after being enhanced because Brandish could do nothing to him. Which is the second instance of her showing if the opponent has superior power, her hax becomes useless. Which goes right into debunking your claim they could one shot either.

Can you show me any definitive proof that Brandish has higher MP than Laxus? I mean they clearly state in that canon series that Ajeel has as much magic power as Brandish does before Laxus no-diffed him. So I'm really interested where this certainty is coming from. Do you know which afterword states it's an aspect of ENDs power and not because of how powerful he is?

 

[Xaos sama]

You keep repeating he got KOed as though that validates your entire argument. Yet you ignore the context, which is Jellal only getting hit to shield a non listening Kagura and then having an anchor land on him under water. Its made even more confusing by how easily Jellal dealt with him once Kagura stopped being a hindrance. If your logic is the deciding factor, Neinhart belongs in top tier after being enhanced because Brandish could do nothing to him. Which is the second instance of her showing if the opponent has superior power, her hax becomes useless. Which goes right into debunking your claim they could one shot either.

Can you show me any definitive proof that Brandish has higher MP than Laxus? I mean they clearly state in that canon series that Ajeel has as much magic power as Brandish does before Laxus no-diffed him. So I'm really interested where this certainty is coming from. Do you know which afterword states it's an aspect of ENDs power and not because of how powerful he is?

in his mind jellal got one shotted and you can't change that, ignore his durability feats against dragon acno or endurance throught the whole arc.
jellal rely too much on his speed & his defensive spells because he can use them, he's not a brawler like most other wizads on FT guild because he's a spell-caster type of a mage and we saw multiples time.

it's actually laughable to rank the likes of dimaria & brandish so damn high just because of their hax while mest can one shot both of them with his memory control hax yet nobody cares about him lmao.

 

[Jko]

You keep repeating he got KOed as though that validates your entire argument. Yet you ignore the context, which is Jellal only getting hit to shield a non listening Kagura and then having an anchor land on him under water. Its made even more confusing by how easily Jellal dealt with him once Kagura stopped being a hindrance. If your logic is the deciding factor, Neinhart belongs in top tier after being enhanced because Brandish could do nothing to him. Which is the second instance of her showing if the opponent has superior power, her hax becomes useless. Which goes right into debunking your claim they could one shot either.

Can you show me any definitive proof that Brandish has higher MP than Laxus? I mean they clearly state in that canon series that Ajeel has as much magic power as Brandish does before Laxus no-diffed him. So I'm really interested where this certainty is coming from. Do you know which afterword states it's an aspect of ENDs power and not because of how powerful he is?

Do you know what KOed means? Natsu git hit to protect Lucy and he did KOed and that was fron an attavk by August. Jellal beat Neinhart when he didn't even try to fight back so they were both in the same situation. Why? Neinhart was instantly trashed while enhanced by Base Natsu. Brandish insta KOed him and Neinhart while couldn't down either of them. Except her magic worked on August in battle mode. If power was deciding factor than she would've explicitly said his MP was to high and she wouldn't have been surprised as she already felt his MP. It's really getting annoying repeating myself.

Gray already said that her MP surpasses the Master and he has never felt anything like it. Laxus was never stated to ever have seriously high MP and they always mention the MP of the S12. So please show me where you got the idea Laxus MP was high as a S12?

Magic power =/= attack power and that was clearly showed in the arc. Laxus has never produced a spell that has had the AoE radius of Sand World and held it for a considerable time which shows that his MP was high.

Spoiler: E.N.D. Power

in his mind jellal got one shotted and you can't change that, ignore his durability feats against dragon acno or endurance throught the whole arc.
jellal rely too much on his speed & his defensive spells because he can use them, he's not a brawler like most other wizads on FT guild because he's a spell-caster type of a mage and we saw multiples time.

it's actually laughable to rank the likes of dimaria & brandish so damn high just because of their hax while mest can one shot both of them with his memory control hax yet nobody cares about him lmao.

Why would I ever bring up that plot forced fight with massive amounts of PIS? The Christina did more than Jellal in that fight lol. Yes, his durability is not great and I never said he was a slouch in offensive or speed related abilities.

Mest needs prep to use his mental power and second Mest with prep would easily mind f Laxus and Jellal too. They have shown no mental resistance lmao.

If you want to talk about me then tag me instead of doing this sneak diss.