It's different enough from regular magic that it doesn't mix. Eating anti-ethernano particles simply destroys the ethernano within your body. Since ethernano is literally the building blocks of magic power, you can't eat anti-ethernano to increase your magic power.
FDK Demolition Fist was literally the actual attack that Natsu used against Zeref in their final exchange. Savage Flames isn't the name of an actual spell. It's what Zeref used to describe the flames that Natsu's power of feelings were making.
So let me get this straight. Lucy, who got oneshotted by Kyria, has better durability than Madmole? The same Madmole that Natsu could not defeat despite pushing himself past his limits with an FDK spell stronger than demolition fist?
Doesn’t mix? Where is that stated? We do not even know how Curse power operates in the body, Because Bloodman is literally a being composed entirely of MBP, Magic should not exist in him, yet he does, it does exist in him, that is very paradoxical, the only conclusion is that MBP either does not work entirely/absolutely or it does have some magic itself, like how it was able to exist as components for Jutsu Shiki. I stand corrected, but still, DF and FDKM is not his strongest forms, his strongest is the Savage Flames., she is a blade DS, blades can be durable, and are technically more durable than armor depending what they are made of. That was not Natsu’s limits, his limits would be warping the fabric of reality with his Savage Flames, it doesn’t matter if it isn’t a spell, it is the name given in that state, the same heated flames he stated cannot use again, so no. Even when Natsu was not in FDKM when fighting the DS, yet used FDKM when fighting Spriggans? Even then that 5DS were at a disadvantage and could likely not fight anymore so they had to retreat.
Nobody is saying you can't power-up from eating something that is toxic. We're saying that you can't get a boost in magical power eating something that literally destroys magic power. Anti-magic particles literally destroy the building blocks of magic. Curse powers are different enough from regular magic that face will destroy the ethernano in the atmosphere and leave all the mages powerless, while leaving curse users completely unharmed. They are different enough that Gajeel simply could not recognize that Bloodman as being Spriggan level. If you believe that Freed's runes can also generate anti-magic particles, that just means anybody who tries to eat those runes would not receive any magic power and have the particles destroy the ethernano within their bodies as well.
There is no such thing as "base FDK". FDK spells are performed with FDK flames, and those flames are simply different from his regular flames. The mode is just Natsu releasing a bunch of those flames to cover himself. The heat might burn up people who have poor durability, but it won't take out anyone who can tank actually getting hit by those flames. Natsu's strongest usage of "FDK Demolition Fist" wasn't even with the mode. It was when he used it against Zeref to burn Fairy Heart, and the flames then were way hotter than when he fought Jacob. The mode doesn't matter. What matters is how much effort Natsu puts into his attacks.
Mirajane is not on Erza's level. Just compare their respective performances against Irene. Mirajane exhausted all her magic power fighting inanimate objects that Irene enchanted, and Irene herself toyed with Mirajane. Erza got her bones smashed by Irene's dragon form, and still muster enough strength to smash Irene's best onscreen enchantment. Right now Mirajane and Elfman are currently fighting Lucy, and still haven't oneshotted her yet. Kyria oneshotted Lucy and Wendy casually with her roar. Kyria even injured Mercphobia. Erza is going toe to toe with Kyria. None of Mirajane's feats stack up against Erza's Alvarez or 100YQ feats.
Also, Natsu has defeated Gajeel in less time than it takes for Mirajane to defeat Lucy. You're the one trying to convince us that Jacob has top tier durability that surpasses Madmole's, and hand to hand combat that matches Wall's. Mirajane apparently oneshotted Jacob with a single punch from Satan Soul. Now she's landed several hits on Loke and Lucy last chapter.
MCBs have magic in them as they are produce from magic as shown when Freed uses them in Justu Shiki. If they have magic in them then that means a power up can be given. Not once has a transformation made someone weaker or the same level of strength as their base form. Trying to say Gajeel is the exception is bs. You guys are banking on something that is nothing and it was already shown that Gajeel doesn't get his magic eaten or his body poisoned when consuming MCBs.
There is a huge difference. FDKM uses Natsu FDK at a way higher heat than his Base FDK flames emit. Zeref already noted this within their fight. And Natsu uses base FDK hits on fodder, if the FDK Demo-fist wasn't stronger in FDKM then why even enter the mode to do it in the first place? There wouldn't be a point in a mode if the attack isn't stronger within it. SF Natsu is Natsu on fudging BS steroids. Dunno how a form that is his strongest w/o external power up is being brought up when he know his flames changed to the point it burned space-time.
Lmfao, are we really using Erza's PIS bullshit as feats now? Erza would scrub Laxus and Jellal at the same time with all her bones broken if we are going there then. Didn't know you actually use those trash feats... W/o them they are around the same level of power. Erza was getting beaten around by fodder Irene enchanted so dunno why people still think Heine and Juliet are some weak scrubs.
Natsu and Gajeel concluded before the fight with Mira kinda shows crappy Natsu's endurance has gotten. I mean if Lucy is still up taking hits from Mira while exhausted then I dunno why Natsu is already out of power. Kind of funny that Lucy can outlast Natsu in a fight. Oh and why are we acting like Lucy hasn't taken the same hits Natsu has and was as fine as him after taking said hits? Lucy is very tanky and took hits that would've down Natsu in the past. Also Lucy is a MC and if she loses then she becomes WW's slave which isn't happening in FT. Good guys are going to come out on top and Lucy's fight is honestly just stalling so Mira doesn't interrupt other fights.
Also also, Mira isn't fighting for her life like she did against Jacob and she isn't alone like she was against Jacob. We all know Mira holds back when in front of others.
Anti-magic particles literally destroy magic power. Just because Freed's enchantment can produce them, doesn't mean they can now be eaten for a power-up. It means that whoever eats Freed's enchantments would suffer the same effects as if they ate anti-magic particles. There is no rule saying that a transformation must involve an increase in magic power or physical strength. There's not even a logical reasoning for it. You're just saying that other characters with transformations happen to have had a power-up (for different reasons), and therefore Gajeel must have a power-up too. That's a non-sequitur. What about Natsu transforming into Lucy? What about Gemini transforming everyone into fish? What about Erza's seduction armor? At the end of the day, Gajeel ate a tiny amount of iron mixed with a bunch of anti-magic particles that destroy ethernano. There's no reason to assume eating a bunch of anti-magic particles would give Gajeel a major boost in magic power. Any magical power Gajeel would have received from that mix would have only came from the tiny amount of iron. What it actually did was change the properties of Gajeel's magic into that of curse power, and that alone doesn't equate to an increase in physical strength.
There's no reason to believe that FDK mode makes Natsu's FDK attacks stronger at all, and Zeref never any comments on this. Fire Dragon King mode is just a way for Natsu to light himself and the area around him up with FDK flames. The flames themselves are still FDK flames, and the mode doesn't increase Natsu's physical strength or increase his magical power. What you are essentially trying to say is that "Fire Dragon King mode flames" are somehow different than "Fire Dragon King flames", and that the former are hotter. Which wouldn't even be true because the hottest flames Natsu has ever used is an FDK spell without the mode. "Savage flames" is just Natsu's power of feelings at their max. It's not even a real mode or named attack. It's just a comment Zeref made when observing Natsu's flames. Natsu has never even heard of the term "savage flames" because it's all inside Zeref's head. As far as Natsu knows, he used an FDK Demolition Fist backed up with the emotions he had for his guild. The mode hardly matters. All that really matters is how much effort and magic power Natsu is putting into any particular attack.
This is the classic Jko argument isn't it? Don't like something? Call it BS and pretend it's not relevant. It is a canon fact that Erza did far better than Mirajane against Irene. This is true even if we ignore the meteor splitting feat altogether. Erza could land hits on Irene's human form. Erza and the rest of the guild were overwhelmed by the entire Alvarez Army. Juliet and Heine aren't stronger than the entire army even without the berseker enchantment. Also, Erza never ran out of magic power. Not after fighting Ajeel. Not after facing Neinhart. Not even after getting all her bones crushed by Irene and then splitting the meteor. The only thing keeping Erza down were physical injuries she sustained throughout her fights.
Natsu and Gajeel concluding before the fight ended with Mirajane doesn't show that Natsu's endurance is bad. It shows that Natsu is stronger than Mirajane for being able to defeat an opponent stronger than Lucy in a shorter period of time. The fact that Natsu is almost out of power only means that Gajeel takes a lot more power to defeat than opponents that Natsu could just steamroll in the previous arcs, including Jacob. Since when have Lucy ever taken a hit that would down Natsu? Name a single attack that Lucy has tanked that would knock out Natsu.
That doesn’t mean it can’t be sustained as magic, or let magic exist, like with Bloodman, Uh, when you transform, it is common for the user to get a power up of some kind, it involves increase in one’s stats. But we are explicitly talking about Gajeel as his transformation is unique compared to the others as he became stronger and possessed the means to permanently hit Bloodman. And the increased power that came from Bloodman as it was part of him. Changing the properties is not enough as he was too weak to physically put down Bloodman as he tanked his hits and blocked it before the power up, and his form was seething with power and the ground was shattering, no natural iron can do that without some sort of external factor to give it the means. It does, and I cannot believe you are saying that, the mode basically increases his abilities, Zeref does not need to comment, it is obvious who FDKM works. Yet demolition fist or any other FDK attacks are standard without a power boost from the FDK mode, we have seen this happen before and after. Savage Flames are when the heat he produces surpasses the limit which is hot enough to effect Time itself, which in physics is ludicrous temperatures, The mode does matter because even Flames of Emotion has it’s limits and would hurt him. Mira had no means to fight back, stop hating for no reason. Erza is just that good, she is the character trope of FT of pure badassery.
Gajeel transformation in bloodman fight is most likely his strongest form he has ever attained.
That is how mishma normally writes
So it is a possibility and huge possibility that gajeel got some serious power up from MBP
Otherwise i think it would have been mentioned that gajeel didnt gain any power
Mira and erza arent equal and most likely never will be.
Erza is mishma favourite
Mira is sadly not even a relevant character in fighting
Freed makes Magical Barrier shields lol. It was literally stated to be composed of the same MBPs that were effecting Laxus which is why he fought Wall. Anti magic is magic and can be used by magic users thus they are empowered by magic.
FDKM >>> Base FDK Natsu and that's why the mode exist. FDKM is Natsu using FDK moves at the max of what they can be. The mode heat emitted from entering the mode instantly vapes the water in the area. He did not do anything of such to Madmole and hard time cooking Madmole despite showing a way higher heat level while using FDKM then when he used a base FDK attack. Natsu is undoubtedly weaker or holding back due to him not wanting to kill. Mira's not on Natsu level? Mira is at least equal to Erza who is a tier above Gajeel lol. Natsu as of right now is performing worse than Erza level which is a shame bcs he did so well in Alvarez.
Except Bloodman caught his punch and was shown to physically get hit by Gajeel's attack. He has to actively turn into MBPs, it's not a passive ability just like Juvia's water body and Ajeel's sand body. MCBs body was countered by Juvia in the Keith fight and Rogue's shadow magic lol.
Gajeel never covered himself in Black Scales like that. His body is a glossy silver with no scale patterns on his body (after the first time his Iron body was shown the scales went away (retcon most likely so they didn't think they were using DF) just like Laxus' scale body). Even when he turned to steel his body was not scaly. His "scales" were actually scales and they were pitch black. Except he himself stated prior to eating those MCBs that he could not enter DF... so the MCBs did power him up.
Also you guys are still with this "it's toxic" spiel yet we have seen countless times that DS eating toxic things and still power them up as long as it has a high concentration of magic. Eating other elements is toxic to DS yet Natsu ate Laxus' lightning, and he ate Etherion lacrima's despite Etherion have countless other magics within it. And it was stated by Jellal to be toxic to him. Being toxic means nothing to a DS as long as they can consume it they can power up from it. This has already been established. It was double edge sword due to him turning into MCBs, it had nothing to do with weakening him and he came out with a transformation and new abilities. So again he got a power up which was clear as day with his transformation.
Totally irrelevant. The MBPs in Gajeel's fight were killing his magic, that is relevant, because it was mentioned in the fight.
Evaporating the water? That's your argument lol? Heating up the water means nothing. And I mean literally nothing. Base Natsu melted an entire stadium at the start of the Avatar arc, and yet when he fought Zeref he couldn't melt the guild's chairs. What Natsu melts during his fights mean absolutely zero.
Natsu beat Jacob casually, he was a joke to Natsu, Natsu hasn't fallen below his joke tier strength, don't be ridiculous.
Mira hasn't been equal to Erza since before the manga began, and she has performed worse than Natsu since Tartaros/GMG. Arguably earlier.
Obviously, those scales were black because Gajeel changed his element to Bloodmans. Gajeel never stated he couldn't enter Dragon Force and if that form was Dragon Force, he could've unlocked it the same way Natsu did against Mard. Gajeel is a near even match for Natsu, so obviously killing the likes of an ordinary spriggan is well within his means, which is why he did it in his actual fight, despite the enormous disadvantage.
No one give's a shit about MBP's being "toxic", we say Gajeel ate poison purely because that's what Bloodman says. What we give a shit about is the fact that MBPs actually eat away at magic, and were specifically stated to do so in that fight. The other "toxic" things DS eat don't do that, in fact they always have enormous amounts of power in them.
Erza scrubs everyone bar Natsu with all her bones crushed except her hands lol. Does that make Ajeel stronger than Deus Sema bcs he beat the shit out of Erza harder? Does that make the enchanted fodder stronger than Deus Sema bcs they were manhandling her?
I'm sorry but there's so much I can take in a debate and when people start pulling out the Erza vs Irene that's when I walk towards the door lol. We literally see Erza get blitzed by Irene and all of her attacks nullified by non trying Irene. We then see Irene beating the crap out of Erza while in Wendy's body and she couldn't even land a single hit on an Irene that was in a weaker body and wasn't even trying. You can say what you want, but that fight is factually full of bullshit. Irene was out of Erza's depth and she would have fodderized her if Erza wasn't PoF Queen. There's like everything in the manga that shows Erza was outclassed. You also forget that Erza goes on and slams RoT Acno out of the sky as well, but we can use that feat with your logic right? Why are people comparing Laxus who fought human spirit Acno and couldn't even budge him to Erza? Erza could beat his ass, Jellal's, Mira, Gildarts, Gray's and Gajeel's with one arm. Also why do you act like Mira could even fight Irene when she just depleted her magic lol?
Totally irrelevant. The MBPs in Gajeel's fight were killing his magic, that is relevant, because it was mentioned in the fight.
Evaporating the water? That's your argument lol? Heating up the water means nothing. And I mean literally nothing. Base Natsu melted an entire stadium at the start of the Avatar arc, and yet when he fought Zeref he couldn't melt the guild's chairs. What Natsu melts during his fights mean absolutely zero.
Natsu beat Jacob casually, he was a joke to Natsu, Natsu hasn't fallen below his joke tier strength, don't be ridiculous.
Mira hasn't been equal to Erza since before the manga began, and she has performed worse than Natsu since Tartaros/GMG. Arguably earlier.
Obviously, those scales were black because Gajeel changed his element to Bloodmans. Gajeel never stated he couldn't enter Dragon Force and if that form was Dragon Force, he could've unlocked it the same way Natsu did against Mard. Gajeel is a near even match for Natsu, so obviously killing the likes of an ordinary spriggan is well within his means, which is why he did it in his actual fight, despite the enormous disadvantage.
No one give's a shit about MBP's being "toxic", we say Gajeel ate poison purely because that's what Bloodman says. What we give a shit about is the fact that MBPs actually eat away at magic, and were specifically stated to do so in that fight. The other "toxic" things DS eat don't do that, in fact they always have enormous amounts of power in them.
Nope, it just shows MBPs are magic thus a power can be give if they are eaten. As long as the iron ain't normal then it can be considered he's eating a rare magical filled version of iron from the MBPs.
Except Natsu did vape the ground and was stated to turn the entire area into fire when he went FDKM lol. Also where in these fights were Natsu trying to cook someone with his heat? Or trying to use his powers effectively against sea water? He literally has a hard time getting his heat to cook Madmole and yet nothing in the area besides clothes get burnt. We then see Madmole charred while Jacob only came out with a scratched that vaped an islands worth water instantly. Say what you want, but Natsu actively raising his heat to burn someone yet not even producing a similar heat he has already shown back in Alvarez is just one big indicator that Natsu is just not as powerful.
Mira fought the undoubtedly third strongest 9D so how did she perform worst than Natsu? She also saved Erza's ass from choking herself. Also GMG? You mean where Mira was faster than Natsu could react? Or just a little show of her power scared the crap out of Natsu and Gray? And even made Laxus praise her PL?
Natsu didn't eat fire during his fight with Mard to unlock the transformation. Gajeel did and it was shown that he got access to it right after he ate it. Gajeel is fighting a weaker version of Natsu who ain't trying to kill him. The fact Bloodman took Gajeel's headbutt better than Natsu just goes to show the S12 PL is still relevant in the current era and that Natsu is weaker lol.
Jellal said the same thing about Etherion and that still powered up Natsu. You guys are harping on it weakening him which it clearly didn't. Like literally no one in this manga as ever gotten weaker from transforming. Transformation as always been buffs that make the character stronger. Gajeel is no exception.
Also Gajeel was also stated to be immune to effect of the magic eating properties of MBPs as per his own words lol.
Erza scrubs everyone bar Natsu with all her bones crushed except her hands lol. Does that make Ajeel stronger than Deus Sema bcs he beat the shit out of Erza harder? Does that make the enchanted fodder stronger than Deus Sema bcs they were manhandling her?
I'm sorry but there's so much I can take in a debate and when people start pulling out the Erza vs Irene that's when I walk towards the door lol. We literally see Erza get blitzed by Irene and all of her attacks nullified by non trying Irene. We then see Irene beating the crap out of Erza while in Wendy's body and she couldn't even land a single hit on an Irene that was in a weaker body and wasn't even trying. You can say what you want, but that fight is factually full of bullshit. Irene was out of Erza's depth and she would have fodderized her if Erza wasn't PoF Queen. There's like everything in the manga that shows Erza was outclassed. You also forget that Erza goes on and slams RoT Acno out of the sky as well, but we can use that feat with your logic right? Why are people comparing Laxus who fought human spirit Acno and couldn't even budge him to Erza? Erza could beat his ass, Jellal's, Mira, Gildarts, Gray's and Gajeel's with one arm. Also why do you act like Mira could even fight Irene when she just depleted her magic lol?
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Nope, it just shows MBPs are magic thus a power can be give if they are eaten. As long as the iron ain't normal then it can be considered he's eating a rare magical filled version of iron from the MBPs.
Except Natsu did vape the ground and was stated to turn the entire area into fire when he went FDKM lol. Also where in these fights were Natsu trying to cook someone with his heat? Or trying to use his powers effectively against sea water? He literally has a hard time getting his heat to cook Madmole and yet nothing in the area besides clothes get burnt. We then see Madmole charred while Jacob only came out with a scratched that vaped an islands worth water instantly. Say what you want, but Natsu actively raising his heat to burn someone yet not even producing a similar heat he has already shown back in Alvarez is just one big indicator that Natsu is just not as powerful.
Mira fought the undoubtedly third strongest 9D so how did she perform worst than Natsu? She also saved Erza's ass from choking herself. Also GMG? You mean where Mira was faster than Natsu could react? Or just a little show of her power scared the crap out of Natsu and Gray? And even made Laxus praise her PL?
Natsu didn't eat fire during his fight with Mard to unlock the transformation. Gajeel did and it was shown that he got access to it right after he ate it. Gajeel is fighting a weaker version of Natsu who ain't trying to kill him. The fact Bloodman took Gajeel's headbutt better than Natsu just goes to show the S12 PL is still relevant in the current era and that Natsu is weaker lol.
Jellal said the same thing about Etherion and that still powered up Natsu. You guys are harping on it weakening him which it clearly didn't. Like literally no one in this manga as ever gotten weaker from transforming. Transformation as always been buffs that make the character stronger. Gajeel is no exception.
Also Gajeel was also stated to be immune to effect of the magic eating properties of MBPs as per his own words lol.
Deus Sema is a magic rock, it can't maneuver around, it can't surround Erza, it can't do anything other than fall directly on her. If you're asking if Ajeel would be easier to cut than Deus Sema if he was falling directly on top of Erza with no way to dodge, then yes, same with a big ball of Berserkers.
Walk towards the door then, doesn't change that Erza has consistently outperformed Mirajane since the start of this manga, and continued to do so against Eileen in Alvarez. As for Natsu, in Tartaros Mira was massacred by the arguably third strongest demon gate. For GMG, Mira beat a weaker council fighter than Natsu did.
Correction, MBPs destroy magic, as actually stated in the manga, and this very fight.
Except he didn't do any of that in his fight with Zeref. What Natsu melts in his fights is totally random and totally meaningless. Not doing it one fight doesn't mean he is weaker than he was in another. Jacob was out cold from Natsu's attack, Madmole got up easily. The fact that he's charred means nothing. Madmole>>Jacob.
True, Gajeel ate magic killing poison and still managed to achieve DF(maybe, he's prob in base), unlike Natsu who luckily didn't need them to touch Mard.
Bloodman took Gajeel's headbutt because he is made of MBPs, and Gajeel didn't have the required element to hurt them at that point, obviously.
Jellal didnt say Etherion ate away at Natsu's magic. Gajeel eating MBPs weakened him, Levy and Bloodmans reactions make that clear.
Nobody is saying you can't power-up from eating something that is toxic. We're saying that you can't get a boost in magical power eating something that literally destroys magic power. Anti-magic particles literally destroy the building blocks of magic. Curse powers are different enough from regular magic that face will destroy the ethernano in the atmosphere and leave all the mages powerless, while leaving curse users completely unharmed. They are different enough that Gajeel simply could not recognize that Bloodman as being Spriggan level. If you believe that Freed's runes can also generate anti-magic particles, that just means anybody who tries to eat those runes would not receive any magic power and have the particles destroy the ethernano within their bodies as well.
There is no such thing as "base FDK". FDK spells are performed with FDK flames, and those flames are simply different from his regular flames. The mode is just Natsu releasing a bunch of those flames to cover himself. The heat might burn up people who have poor durability, but it won't take out anyone who can tank actually getting hit by those flames. Natsu's strongest usage of "FDK Demolition Fist" wasn't even with the mode. It was when he used it against Zeref to burn Fairy Heart, and the flames then were way hotter than when he fought Jacob. The mode doesn't matter. What matters is how much effort Natsu puts into his attacks.
Mirajane is not on Erza's level. Just compare their respective performances against Irene. Mirajane exhausted all her magic power fighting inanimate objects that Irene enchanted, and Irene herself toyed with Mirajane. Erza got her bones smashed by Irene's dragon form, and still muster enough strength to smash Irene's best onscreen enchantment. Right now Mirajane and Elfman are currently fighting Lucy, and still haven't oneshotted her yet. Kyria oneshotted Lucy and Wendy casually with her roar. Kyria even injured Mercphobia. Erza is going toe to toe with Kyria. None of Mirajane's feats stack up against Erza's Alvarez or 100YQ feats.
Also, Natsu has defeated Gajeel in less time than it takes for Mirajane to defeat Lucy. You're the one trying to convince us that Jacob has top tier durability that surpasses Madmole's, and hand to hand combat that matches Wall's. Mirajane apparently oneshotted Jacob with a single punch from Satan Soul. Now she's landed several hits on Loke and Lucy last chapter.
Mirajane literally said like three chapters ago that she’s going to punish Lucy. How can she punish Lucy if she’s just one shots her? She’s clearly trying to stack the abuse on her, all she did last chapter was punch her and kick her casually and that visibly hurt Lucy. Not to mention Mira is in BSS. Do you think a serious Mirajane wouldn’t behead Lucy in an instant? Wow. For a good chunk of the fight, Mira was busy tying Virgo up. She’s obviously not trying and she hasn’t been pushed yet so your statements are pretty much ignoring context.
Also the punch Mira used to knocked Jacob out looks more powerful than the causal kicks and punches she’s giving to Lucy.
Most of Erza’s performance against Irene was only even possible because of Wendy’s enchantments. Even Irene being knocked out of her dragon form happened because of Wendy’s enchantments. Again, context has been ignored.
Honestly, while I agree that Erza is superior to Mira (mainly due to endurance), I think everyone overestimates Erza’s Alvarez feats. She didn’t defeat any Spriggan by herself. She never landed a finishing blow. She always had help and was constantly healed up. You people make it sound like she’s in a completely unreachable tier. Mira actually defeated Jacob, a Spriggan, by herself. Mira is the closest thing Ishgar has as a female wizard to rival Erza’s strength. Defeating Mira would not be an easy victory for Erza.
MBPs are just something Mashima used to make Laxus more of an underdog vs Wahl for no bloody reason. Up until the moment Wahl cancelled them there was absolutely no point where it was hinted they were the same thing as Freed's runes. They were magic destroying particles, plain and simple. At best they block you from using magic, hence "barrier". Then again Mashima apparently wanted Laxus vs Tempester 2 which is even dumber.
The beauty of FT isn't it? The No.2 hype baloon needs to be fighting an enemy that powers up from his attacks while nerfed by magic destroying cancer. And then wins by something never shown before with no explanation even though they could easily say "It was something his great grandfather was making and he completed it" in one sentence or panel but nah too much work.
Mirajane literally said like three chapters ago that she’s going to punish Lucy. How can she punish Lucy if she’s just one shots her? She’s clearly trying to stack the abuse on her, all she did last chapter was punch her and kick her casually and that visibly hurt Lucy. Not to mention Mira is in BSS. Do you think a serious Mirajane wouldn’t behead Lucy in an instant? Wow. For a good chunk of the fight, Mira was busy tying Virgo up. She’s obviously not trying and she hasn’t been pushed yet so your statements are pretty much ignoring context.
Also the punch Mira used to knocked Jacob out looks more powerful than the causal kicks and punches she’s giving to Lucy.
Most of Erza’s performance against Irene was only even possible because of Wendy’s enchantments. Even Irene being knocked out of her dragon form happened because of Wendy’s enchantments. Again, context has been ignored.
Honestly, while I agree that Erza is superior to Mira (mainly due to endurance), I think everyone overestimates Erza’s Alvarez feats. She didn’t defeat any Spriggan by herself. She never landed a finishing blow. She always had help and was constantly healed up. You people make it sound like she’s in a completely unreachable tier. Mira actually defeated Jacob, a Spriggan, by herself. Mira is the closest thing Ishgar has as a female wizard to rival Erza’s strength. Defeating Mira would not be an easy victory for Erza.
Sadly erza tier is far out of reach of mira. Mishma hasnt taken mira seriously since forever.
Mira only gets gag fights
Actually wendy didnt really do anything.
Wendy touched irene once in the very start.
Then she enhanced erza to such an extend but irene didnt care and used her hat and her head to block erza sword
Then body swap nonsense happened. Erza didnt hit her in wendy body because she didnt want to hurt wendy.
Then wendy left the match.
After it was all erza till she overpowered dragon irene top tier move.
Then wendy helped erza bypass dragon immunity, alowing erza to injure irene seriously enough.
Whether people like it or not erza performed alot better than gildarts did against August
And cana remain in that fight through out
Wendy did not
@Axiomus I disagree FDKM natsu> Base natsu with FDK attacks. 2. It’s clear as day that Laxus is above an average spriggan lvl 3. Every1 seems to forget that wahl said in his “prankster mode” he would lose the upper hand meaning that at some point he wouldn’t able to keep tanking laxus attacks hence why he went asssult mode. 4. I don’t undersatnd ppl think RL is an asspull did we just forget laxus trained for year just like every1 else?
From what I understand FDK mode is just like LFD mode, it changes all Natsu's basic nameless attacks into FDK attacks.
FDKM/LFDM doesn't necessarily enhance the named techniques, since those named techniques already have that additional magic in them. It's like the LFD attacks Natsu used on Mard and to beat Jackal, Natsu wasn't in LFD mode for those attacks, doesn't mean they're weaker than the LFD attacks Natsu used on Tempester or F.Rogue. Though we'll never actually know the truth since it's never been explained, and probably never will be.
From what I understand FDK mode is just like LFD mode, it changes all Natsu's basic nameless attacks into FDK attacks.
FDKM/LFDM doesn't necessarily enhance the named techniques, since those named techniques already have that additional magic in them. It's like the LFD attacks Natsu used on Mard and to beat Jackal, Natsu wasn't in LFD mode for those
attacks, doesn't mean they're weaker than the LFD attacks Natsu used on Tempester or F.Rogue. Though we'll never actually know the truth since it's never been explained, and probably never will be.
Nah bro fdkm increases his abilities or else he wouldnt need a mode for it. Natsu melting people clothes shouldn’t be the difference as he was able to do that in base. It doesn’t make sense for natsu to use a mode to increase heat when he was able to do it in base also he should have just used a fdk spell to oneshot Jacob. If that’s the case
Nah bro fdkm increases his abilities or else he wouldnt need a mode for it. Natsu melting people clothes shouldn’t be the difference as he was able to do that in base. It doesn’t make sense for natsu to use a mode to increase heat when he was able to do it in base also he should have just used a fdk spell to oneshot Jacob. If that’s the case
So yeah, even without FDKM, Natsu can still take on DS especially one who’s specialty is durability. Andy was burned for it, while both in that mode and using a FDK spell, Jacob was just knocked out, with his clothes burned
@Jean Grey well look at what Savage Flames does, it is a heat that lets him effect time, which surpasses his standard limit. That would be considered his strongest and most dangerous power.
Nah bro fdkm increases his abilities or else he wouldnt need a mode for it. Natsu melting people clothes shouldn’t be the difference as he was able to do that in base. It doesn’t make sense for natsu to use a mode to increase heat when he was able to do it in base also he should have just used a fdk spell to oneshot Jacob. If that’s the case
But does he actually need a mode for it? I'm gonna say no, since he didn't even use it on Zeref in their final fight. FDKM is probably a thing of the past.
@Jean Grey well look at what Savage Flames does, it is a heat that lets him effect time, which surpasses his standard limit. That would be considered his strongest and most dangerous power.
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