Bruh, what’s with the consistent Laxus hate and lowball? The series consistently shows Laxus to be ahead of Erza. While she is being compared to him, he is in turn being compared to Gildarts. An as already discussed, the PL have been returned to their regular relative places. Barring a POE boost, Erza can’t take Laxus.
Not hating Laxus, I just don't like how overrated he's become to some (like people really think he can oneshot Erza tier characters...).
Death magic is base on if he values life 2. Something that didn’t even affect natsu evergreen and elfman 2. When did he stop time I don’t remember that feat? 3. Black magic? OT impressive he only use that to kill weaken opponents who wasn’t fighting back 4. Eye flicking feat just push him back wendy can tanked that not impressive.. zeref tanking ig natsu doesn’t hold water cause base natsu was having the upper hand in H2H combat meaning if wasn’t for his immortality would have been destroyed
Natsu's scarf saved them from the death wave lol. In Tartarus, he stopped time to talk to Natsu. I'm talking about other black magics we have seen like Mary's virus magic which could insta kill people if they'd place the virus in the head instead of the stomach. How is completely overwhelming DF Natsu with an eye flick not impressive? How was it his immortality when Ig's power bypass immortality curse? His immortality only let's him live forever and revive after any attack, it does not give him increase durability. And how was Natsu winning when Zeref gave him a scar and all Natsu did was give him superficial wounds? Zeref was toying with Natsu and let Natsu deck him with all his power lol.
Rogue nowadays with Dragon Force can win against Mirajane. He is beyond her (not much) as much as he is beyond Minerva (not much too).
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Go get some check-in Zeref's Wikipedia page. He is actually better than Irene in Enchantments, so he could even be a good fighter by enchanting things
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What do you mean no feats? I’m literally telling you feats that you’re ignoring lmao, wot? Mira killed Juliet and Heine who scale to BSS sand she defeated a Spriggan. Those are feats. You can’t ignore them because you don’t like them. They’re canon. Stop ignoring canon feats.
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Rogue can defeat Mirajane? Are you high? Now I know you’re just seriously downplaying Mira to hell.
No it didn’t cause they were able to dodge it the second time. Black magic isn’t created by zeref mutiple people use black magic such as bixclow etc so no. He doesn’t have virus magic. It’s not cause all he did was push him back it didn’t cause any damage Wendy would have eaten that feat not impressive. I said basenatsu had the upper hand the second round when they fought h2h combat. Ig natsu would have killed zeref.
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Bro chill don’t take this debate to heart
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Come on bro rogue isn’t powerful he can’t beat bae natsu and Mira>base natsu 2. Alvarez rogue>GMG rogue that isnt a debate.
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Well he did train her so I guess it makes sense he’d be better at it.
He didn't train her or at least there is no proof of it, Acnologia assumed this but we don't know it for sure.Especially considering Irene knew enchantment even before she became a DS.
She didn’t deny or correct him either, so it’s likely he might’ve actually trained her. Already being an enchanter already doesn’t mean she can’t learn new things.
Possible,only Mashima can confirm it.
Dodge it a second time? He only used it once lol and that's when his magic was out of control. Yes black magic wasn't created by Zeref, but it was stated that Zeref knows every form of black magic. It does cause damage otherwise DF Natsu would've been flown back despite trying to charge him with his full power to save Mavis. Natsu was overwhelmed by massive force which means Zeref's power was stronger than DF Natsu's power. Base Natsu was rising to SF levels and Zeref was toying with him again. He literally showed that he could have f-ed over DF Natsu with an eye flick. And he already has prior feats of banging on a stronger version of Natsu while not trying his fullest.
watch it again. And August was said to know more magic than zeref. We just ain’t gonna give people feats unless shown or from a creditable person. DF natsu took the hit it didn’t do anything bro it was like natsu was hurt from it that was y point. Again natsu wasn’t going all out hence why he stayed in base. Natsu was having the upper hand the entire time and didn’t use a fdk spell till the end of the fight.
Only thing I can think of was that it wasn't that strong otherwise they would have just ducked in the second time lol. His scarf could slso absorbed twice which His death magic is basically oneshot to anyone bar immortals, and dragons. What do you mean? Zeref was immortal for four hundred years and a genius in magic, why would it be hard to believe he has everyone when he's been searching for ways to kill himself? August knowing more magic then Zeref doesn't really doesn't mean anything since August can insta copy and learn any form of magic. Natsu went DF and then got hit back which did hurt him otherwise he would have just ran through the attack. He literally got overpowered in DF by an eye flick.
