@Benomaru Yeah, it' s really a sad thing that his hax is so op. He should have his own element. I often read about the theory that he has the soul element. But that was before we knew that his element is "magic". Just like I said, I didn't like Acnologia's power.
@Axiomus
But this didn't make sense. I mean with infinite magic power he should have the power to strengthen his attacks/spells, because the energy for spells are the magic power of the characters. It's just like Lucy couldn't summon two or three spirits in the beginning of the manga, since she didn't have the magical power to do so. After training and second origin she could do it. So in this case Zeref's attacks/spells should be like his infinite power, extremely strong. That's the point of "infinite magic power". So it makes no sense that Natsu could burn through Zeref's magic and that's that what I didn't take seriously. No one should be able to defeat Zeref. Only Acnologia maybe because of his hax ability. But even then with infinite power he could cast unlimited spells, Acnologia is immune to magic but he can get hit. In Tartaros arc Igneel's breath pushed Acnologia to the ground. Acnologia wasn't injured. But with unlimited spells Zeref could stomp Acnologia to the ground permanently (kind of like Tenshinhan against Cell). But that's in theory. But I mean Zeref could do it, he has enough magic arts and knowledge about magic that he could do it.
I think in Mavis' case it's the same like Zeref's. She never did anything. But we know that she can use magic like Fairy Law, Fairy Glitter, Fairy Sphere, Law and Ankshelams death magic. So again with her infinite magic power she could cast unlimited fairy laws or other magic. And with her infinite magic power she could strengthen them. Magic power is the power of the strengths from magic and spells so the whole Fairy Heart thing makes no sense because Natsu burnt it away. In plot case, everyone could do it if the author wants it so. Therefore, for me, Fairy Heart is above because Natsu's "burn magic away" is nonsense. I understand if you or others rank characters on what they show. I do it sometimes too. But in this case, this thing with Natsu was so stupid that I can't take it seriously. If Natsu won because of the power of END and with curses because these are not magic, that would make more sense and I would accept this. But so I can't.
The whole fight with Acnologia was stupid too. I know what you mean, Natsu couldn't burn Acnologia away just like he did it with Zeref. But like I said the whole thing with Natsu's power and Fairy Heart and Acnologia's hax power are so senseless that I only can say what I think. I accept the opinion from others but for me Zeref and Acnologia are above Natsu. In fact, Natsu> FH Zeref, but for me Zeref>>Natsu. On the basis of what I said.
Bur you're right Neo Eclipse is a special thing. So I take that back what I said about it.
But Neinhart's Historias are weaker than the self when they were alive. So he just casts a weaker Azuma, Hades etc. But yeah, you're right here. But I can see a chance for Azuma, Bluenote and other old villains to beat him, if it takes him time to summon some characters like his Spriggan comrades. Because of their great strengths maybe it takes time to summon them. But unlikely. So I take that back too.
@August_Lightning
Because Gajeel didn't show anything that would make him stronger than them. Since the GMG arc he only wins his battles with special power ups or with help from other characters. Plus, he doesn't show any new spell like the other main Fairy Tail members or some other characters like Kagura, Sting or Jellal. His last new spell was in Tenrou arc and with his dual mode in the GMG arc. He needed his dual mode to beat Rogue in the battle, yeah I know that was because Rogue became help too from his Future Self but that was not the same power with his future self battles Natsu. He only gives Rogue a little bit about his power. And that's only if it really was his future self who helped him. I can't remember exactly what it was. In the Tartaros arc he loses against Torafuzer without Levy's help he would be dead now. He only wins because Levy gave him Air and because he somehow absorbed the particles of Torafuzer's poison water so he could enter a new mode(?) or cast a new special spell only in this battle to win. And Alvarez he would lose again without the help of Levy against Bloodman and if he didn't eat Bloodmans Partcial to enter dragon force. So he could hit Bloodman and defeat him.
Not to mention that Bloodman doesn't use his whole curses, the most power full Curses he didn't show just like macro, or Kyouka's curse. And the full power of Mard's Curse he didn't show too. Meanwhile Kagura fights three of the Spriggan 12, two of them were one of the top Spriggans and she was somehow more useful. And I think she has more magic power she was back at the GMG arc on the same level like Minerva and Erza and if I remember correctly only Laxus and Jura had more magic power than these three. And I don't think that Gajeel get the level in one year in case of magic power. And I don't see why Kagura couldn't get stronger too? Anyway, I think Kagura and Minerva could beat Gajeel because of their magic, Kagura's Gravity Magic is strong and Minerva's Room magic also. And we don't know if his DF mode is a permanent power up or not. In the case of Sting, his Dragonslayer magic is more destructive than Gajeel's. See GMG arc. He gets a dual mode dragon force power up. So I would put this power up about Gajeel's DF. And he beats Larcade, the third strongest member of the Spriggan 12. Well, with help too and because Sting had elementary advantage like Gajeel in his battle against Bloodman. But Gajeel "lost his life" in this battle and didn't beat Bloodman directly because Bloodman could "kill" Gajeel in the end. Without the nonsense help of Irenes Universe One he would be dead. While Sting beats Larcade. So I put these 3 about Gajeel.
Gajeel is a good brawler and in a pure fist fight he would beat Minerva and Kagura. But Kagura can cut Diamond plus has she gravity power and Minerva can manipulate the room I don't see how Gajeel could beat them. Maybe with DF but yeah, can he use it? And even than could he beat them? Because this was a special DF mode to hit and beat Bloodman. But that's my opinion. Since I don't see what he could do against of these three in a real battle. Well, maybe Kagura with the help of his dual mode, if he can use it well. And that's only a maybe for me. But Minerva who manipulates space how she wants and Sting who can use light powers and a more destructive power and maybe shadows too? I don't see it.
