Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ramen]

I have not seen any one say Gray would oneshot Gildartz or Laxus lol
END wasn't fatigued whatsoever.



Where's this proof that Gray lasted only a minute? How would you know the duration of time that went too?
Being annoyed isn't the same thing as "lack of confidence."

Skullion's kicking Mirajane's ass right now not even using the half of the stuff he used against Gray.

Natsu was interested in fighting Mira and not Jellal this chap does this mean Mira>Jellal? Fuck no.

Char words means jack shit. Feats is the best way to gauge chars power.

Gray's words are not the gospel of truth. When he said Mira has no weakness, doesn't mean she doesn't have any weakness.

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Bruh, Mira is the most wanked character here lol.
Look at the stuff in the chapter thread the way there Mira fans believe she can give Natsu a fight and is stronger than Jellal.
I don't even want to address all of the downplay down to favor Mira here either.

Well look at this website and reddit more.

Gray was fatigued but END wasn't? Both were super bloodlusted and PoF boosted. Both Natsu and Gray were fighting the war and were fatigued from it. Natsu had his demon and dragon seed fighting each other.

Yes END was also at disadvantages and was fatigued.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Yes END was also at disadvantages and was fatigued.

I doubt END was fatigue as Gray. He fought with a hole around his stomach.

 

[Ramen]

I doubt END was fatigue as Gray. He fought with a hole around his stomach.

Why not? Last time I checked they both had enough power to fight equally and yell at each other the whole time while being in PoF.

Even if you wanna argue who was more fatigued, you have to admit. Both had advantages over the other and both were fatigued.

But from what we saw they were equal 100%

Natsu had a tumour inside of him that was slowly killing him.

 

[Star Frost]

Skullion tried to attack Mirajane but she easily dodged it and that attack can turn her into ash. And Mirajane was not even using her stronger form. And each form she has can outclass satan soul.

Seems like all of Skullion’s attacks turns things to ash. But there is a clear difference with the attacks he used on Mira and the one that low diff Gray. The one he used on Mira looks nothing like the one he used on Gray that he got low diff from. The one with Mira he didn’t say its name (since there’s no name for them), and didn’t used the same hand signs. Unlike with Gray that had a name and used a different hand sign in the shape like a triangle. Also the attack he used on Gray prior to that not only is named but was capable of turning not only the sea but had Gray not frozen it could’ve also took out the town of Elmina and everyone out. The one against Mira didn’t reached to that kind of scale. Basically to sum it up, he’s not doing much to Mira as he done to Gray. So until then, rather wait and see if he does and how she’ll do against them.

 

[sharkai]

Sure, he can. Neinhart can create a historia to defend himself with, can't he? Those historia can use defensive magics, can they not? If Neinahart created a historia of say....God Serena, wouldn't that entail him to all the defensive magic of God Serena? Besides, Invel's armour was never stated to be super good at defense either. Certain mages can enhance their skin with magic, particularly magics that involve transformations or changing the body, but in general metal is harder than regular skin.

The mistake here is assuming that Wall's strongest move is equal to Invel's strongest move. Invel's with his armor doesn't hit as hard as Wall's regular punches. It's also not being lauded as something that provides a massive defense boost. The main point of Invel's armour is so that he can freeze you. We've seen the strength it takes to break the armour. We've seen Gray use even stronger attacks against Natsu, and we've seen Erza use block both Natsu and Gray's attacks. Invel's armour should scale to those feats, not Wall's etherion. I don't actually have a problem if you think POF made Gray as strong as Laxus, or even stronger. However, the implication of your argument is that Gray's punch can overpower etherion... and that's too much of a reach.

The stats aren't linear. Jura is stronger than both Erza and Mirajane despite both having full 5/5 scores, and Jura having 6/5. Jose was the guildmaster, and he considered Gajeel is the strongest mage in his guild. In any case, Laxus would have downright stomped anyone at Phantom Lord if he could solo Natsu and Gajeel. Heck, I see no reason that Laxus couldn't have beaten Jose like Makarov did. He had Fairy Law as well, and it would have worked as he would have targetted Jose as an enemy of the guild. The difference between Erza and Laxus can be found in their respective performance against Hades. Natsu's LFD was all Laxus' power, and it did far better than the combine efforts of the team. The nuke would have killed Ajeel according to August, and I consider August a reliable opinion. August is the strongest mage among the Spriggan 12, and would have likely known Ajeel's limits. He deemed Laxus' attack as being something that he needed to personally step in to block. I don't think Laxus can casually kill Elfman and Mirajane, as they are stronger than the Spriggans. He would still beat them with around the same effort that went into beating Kyria though.

Historia will also taking up nienhart magic, so its not exactly the same

I doubt wahl is any more durable than invel

I think if gray can over power invel armor, he should in way by using same pof with some sort of defensive spell be able to block wahl etherion. Invel can freeze people without the armor, though i agree it might be more towards freezing then defending

Stats arent correct. If they are gmg jura is stronger than pre ts erza and equal or weaker than SO erza. But those stats arent correct. Look up natsu and sting stats

Gajeel was a punk, aria had the feats. I am not gonna ignore feats on account of hype. Even if i agree aria to be weaker than gajeel. They should have been in the same tier. Meaning wrecked erza would still one shot gajeel, just like azuma did panther kily. Something laxus didnt show

I have no reason to believe erza wouldnt have taken out jose herself. She was wrecked to point of unconsciousness thanks to the Jupiter cannon.

Hades performance is a bad example. Erza was already involved in what four fights. She had endured tenrou blast twice. She was performing at lucy level. I dont know what would happen if erza gave her magic to natsu, so i cant use that example. Tenrou Lfd natsu would have low diffed laxus plus base natsu.

So you think elfman is stronger than ajeel. You think there is more power difference between laxus and ajeel compared to i dont know hades and wendy. Laxus causally killing a springgan is absurd. Only aconologia can causally kill springgan and he makes August sh!t himself when he does it. It is interesting even aconologia move which were hurting laxus wasnt down right killing cobra and wendy. But i guess springgans are just that weak

 

[MangerDan]

You’d think Gray would have the advantage over E.N.D with demon slaying magic but that didn’t really seem to be the case.

 

[Axiomus]

Historia will also taking up nienhart magic, so its not exactly the same

I doubt wahl is any more durable than invel

I think if gray can over power invel armor, he should in way by using same pof with some sort of defensive spell be able to block wahl etherion. Invel can freeze people without the armor, though i agree it might be more towards freezing then defending

Stats arent correct. If they are gmg jura is stronger than pre ts erza and equal or weaker than SO erza. But those stats arent correct. Look up natsu and sting stats

Gajeel was a punk, aria had the feats. I am not gonna ignore feats on account of hype. Even if i agree aria to be weaker than gajeel. They should have been in the same tier. Meaning wrecked erza would still one shot gajeel, just like azuma did panther kily. Something laxus didnt show

I have no reason to believe erza wouldnt have taken out jose herself. She was wrecked to point of unconsciousness thanks to the Jupiter cannon.

Hades performance is a bad example. Erza was already involved in what four fights. She had endured tenrou blast twice. She was performing at lucy level. I dont know what would happen if erza gave her magic to natsu, so i cant use that example. Tenrou Lfd natsu would have low diffed laxus plus base natsu.

So you think elfman is stronger than ajeel. You think there is more power difference between laxus and ajeel compared to i dont know hades and wendy. Laxus causally killing a springgan is absurd. Only aconologia can causally kill springgan and he makes August sh!t himself when he does it. It is interesting even aconologia move which were hurting laxus wasnt down right killing cobra and wendy. But i guess springgans are just that weak

It doesn't matter if the Historia take up Neinhart's magic. It's still something he can use. If you're saying that there's no way Wall's offenses can break through Invel's defenses just because they're both Spriggans, then there's no reason I can't make the same argument with Invel and Neinhart. Or any 2 Spriggans for the matter. What exactly has Invel or his armour tanked that warrants him greater durability than Wall? Invel's armor doesn't allow Invel to hit as hard as Wall's standard attacks, let alone etherion. Nor was it shown to be capable of tanking anything. It wasn't even hyped to provide great defense. Invel's armour was simply made out of really cold ice. Why would Gray breaking it prove that he can block etherion with a defensive spell? Below are a few examples of Natsu breaking Gray's ice. Gray was fully enraged and aiming to kill Natsu so the POF would have been as good as it got. Unless you want to say those attacks are stronger than Wall's etherion, then Laxus shouldn't have to overpower Wall's etherion to prove that he can shatter Gray's ice. Laxus' attacks just need to be stronger than these attacks Natsu is using here.

Spoiler: Natsu's claw shattering Gray's ice shield

Spoiler: Natsu breaking out of Gray's ice prison

Gajeel was considered by Jose, the guildmaster of Phantom Lord himself, to be Grimoire Heart's ace. That alone speaks to Gajeel's standing in Phantom Lord. He's not only stronger than Invel, but his iron also makes him far more durable than Aria even if they had the same level of magic power. There's no way Erza is oneshotting Gajeel. In any case, even if Erza was stronger than Natsu back then, that still doesn't make her on Laxus' level. Laxus would have slaughtered everyone at Phantom Lord, even master Jose himself. Every member of the Element 4 is oneshottable. Gajeel was basically 2 shotted by a roar and heavenward Halberd, and he had the best durability. Fairy Law would have stomped Jose along with anyone Laxus deemed as an enemy.

Spoiler: Jose credits Gajeel as the strongest wizard in their guild

Lightning-fire mode was a display of Laxus' magic power. The vast majority of the power Natsu was using was Laxus'. It doesn't matter if Erza had been through fights beforehand. Laxus did better than the entire team. Regardless of whether the GMG stats were correct or not, Laxus still outperformed Erza during the GMG. He beat Jura, who was a stronger opponent than Minerva or Kagura, and was still in good enough shape to duke it out with Zirconis. Erza was getting overwhelmed by Motherglare's babies. Erza may have closed the gap when she released second origin, but she wasn't on Laxus' level without it. Mirajane considered Jura to be equal if not stronger than both her and Erza combined.

Elfman beat Ajeel with help from Lisanna. I don't think Lisanna provided that much help, so yes....Elfman is stronger than Ajeel. Or at least close enough to Ajeel's level that Lisanna's help could tip the scales. Yes, I believe there is a huge power difference between Ajeel and Laxus. Laxus was poisoned the entire time when he fought Wall. After Laxus killed Wall, he still had enough magic power to beat the historia of Hades. The difference between Laxus and a Spriggan is quite literally at least that of Hade's power, and that by definition would make it larger than the difference between Wendy and Hades.

 

[Seven777]

Gajeel's Phantom's Strongest, obvious from his portrayal and Jose's own words. Natsu was able to put up a better fight against Gajeel than Aria because Natsu became far stronger after his encounter with Aria.

Spoiler

By the words of the Erza and the manga, Natsu had untapped power inside him, and against Gajeel was fighting at a level that Lucy and Happy had never before seen.

 

[sharkai]

Gajeel's Phantom's Strongest, obvious from his portrayal and Jose's own words. Natsu was able to put up a better fight against Gajeel than Aria because Natsu became far stronger after his encounter with Aria.

Spoiler

By the words of the Erza and the manga, Natsu had untapped power inside him, and against Gajeel was fighting at a level that Lucy and Happy had never before seen.

Where did you come from man?
Yes, emotion make natsu stronger, just like every other mage.
If i rank natsu by emotion
Then it natsu who fought gajeel
Then natsu who fought aria
Then and weakest natsu who started the fight against laxus. He was not serious in the start of laxus fight at all

So hype above feats, is that it?

 

[Jko]

Natsu didn't get stronger when he fought Gajeel lol. He was weakened from his fight with Totomaru and Aria.

Spoiler

Natsu destroyed Gajeel as soon as he got his magical power back.

Also this was the first time Natsu had fought for revenge so them saying that is meaningless.

 

[sharkai]

It doesn't matter if the Historia take up Neinhart's magic. It's still something he can use. If you're saying that there's no way Wall's offenses can break through Invel's defenses just because they're both Spriggans, then there's no reason I can't make the same argument with Invel and Neinhart. Or any 2 Spriggans for the matter. What exactly has Invel or his armour tanked that warrants him greater durability than Wall? Invel's armor doesn't allow Invel to hit as hard as Wall's standard attacks, let alone etherion. Nor was it shown to be capable of tanking anything. It wasn't even hyped to provide great defense. Invel's armour was simply made out of really cold ice. Why would Gray breaking it prove that he can block etherion with a defensive spell? Below are a few examples of Natsu breaking Gray's ice. Gray was fully enraged and aiming to kill Natsu so the POF would have been as good as it got. Unless you want to say those attacks are stronger than Wall's etherion, then Laxus shouldn't have to overpower Wall's etherion to prove that he can shatter Gray's ice. Laxus' attacks just need to be stronger than these attacks Natsu is using here.

Spoiler: Natsu's claw shattering Gray's ice shield

Spoiler: Natsu breaking out of Gray's ice prison

Gajeel was considered by Jose, the guildmaster of Phantom Lord himself, to be Grimoire Heart's ace. That alone speaks to Gajeel's standing in Phantom Lord. He's not only stronger than Invel, but his iron also makes him far more durable than Aria even if they had the same level of magic power. There's no way Erza is oneshotting Gajeel. In any case, even if Erza was stronger than Natsu back then, that still doesn't make her on Laxus' level. Laxus would have slaughtered everyone at Phantom Lord, even master Jose himself. Every member of the Element 4 is oneshottable. Gajeel was basically 2 shotted by a roar and heavenward Halberd, and he had the best durability. Fairy Law would have stomped Jose along with anyone Laxus deemed as an enemy.

Spoiler: Jose credits Gajeel as the strongest wizard in their guild

Lightning-fire mode was a display of Laxus' magic power. The vast majority of the power Natsu was using was Laxus'. It doesn't matter if Erza had been through fights beforehand. Laxus did better than the entire team. Regardless of whether the GMG stats were correct or not, Laxus still outperformed Erza during the GMG. He beat Jura, who was a stronger opponent than Minerva or Kagura, and was still in good enough shape to duke it out with Zirconis. Erza was getting overwhelmed by Motherglare's babies. Erza may have closed the gap when she released second origin, but she wasn't on Laxus' level without it. Mirajane considered Jura to be equal if not stronger than both her and Erza combined.

Elfman beat Ajeel with help from Lisanna. I don't think Lisanna provided that much help, so yes....Elfman is stronger than Ajeel. Or at least close enough to Ajeel's level that Lisanna's help could tip the scales. Yes, I believe there is a huge power difference between Ajeel and Laxus. Laxus was poisoned the entire time when he fought Wall. After Laxus killed Wall, he still had enough magic power to beat the historia of Hades. The difference between Laxus and a Spriggan is quite literally at least that of Hade's power, and that by definition would make it larger than the difference between Wendy and Hades.

A better question would be what exactly did wahl blow through to warrant such hype you are giving him. Nienhart indirect defensive spell will not match his equal direct attack spell
Wahl is not stronger than invel
Their durability are same
Armor is extra and the strongest magic of invel. Gray overpowered its defense and its freezing ability. Gray was also pretty engraged against invel. He just killed juvia. I dont even know why was gray enraged against natsu

Jose is a mob bose. He is gonna like gajeel like punk who hurts and damage anything. Gajeel showed nothing above blinded aria.
Even if i consider gajeel be to stronger than full power aria, i am not gonna move him a tier above aria. So a move that one shot aria will definitely one shot gajeel

Difference between natsu and erza was huge pre ts.
There is no mention of difference between laxus and erza. So no there non
How do you know he had the best durability?


Laxus would have been killed by Jupiter cannon. That is a fact. Look up how much damage that cannon did markarov titan arm. That wrist was size of laxus
Yes, erza most likely would have taken the entire phantom guild for herself

No it wasnt. It was wanking of natsu. Lfd natsu is soo above laxus its not even funny

Sooo if one mage is hugely weakend, that is how you gonnal compare. Seriously?
Remember when sting was gonna solo all fairy tail on the last day gmg

No he did not.
Laxus defeated fodder guild
Pre ts erza took out pre ts jura tier monster plus 99 other monsters

Laxus defeated jura
Erza took out kagura and Minerva
Jura is maximum a tier above kagura
He was shocked by god war spell
Even markarov who easily blocked hades 25 formula (which laxus couldnt escape from) said he couldnt follow pre ts erza and kagura final slash.
The last day performance was about equal.
Mishma only had dragon slayers performed against dragons





Difference between laxus and average springgan is equal or greater than difference between hades and tenrou wendy!!!



That is why i dont like laxus.
He is one of the coolest character
With easily best entrances of all
But the way people hype him....

 

[Axiomus]

A better question would be what exactly did wahl blow through to warrant such hype you are giving him. Nienhart indirect defensive spell will not match is equal direct attack spell
Wahl is not stronger than invel
Their durability are same
Armor is extra and the strongest magic of invel. Gray overpowered its defense and its freezing ability. Gray was also pretty engraged against invel. He just killed juvia. I dont even know why was gray enraged against natsu

Jose is a mob bose. He is gonna like gajeel like punk who hurts and damage anything. Gajeel showed nothing above blinded aria.
Even if i consider gajeel be to stronger than full power aria, i am not gonna move him a tier above aria. So a move that one aria will definitely one shot gajeel

Difference between natsu and erza was huge pre ts.
There is no mention of difference between laxus and erza. So no there non
How do you know he had the best durability?


Laxus would have been killed by Jupiter cannon. That is a fact. Look up how much damage that cannon did markarov titan arm. That wrist was size of laxus
Yes, erza most likely would have taken the entire phantom guild for herself

No it wasnt. It was wanking of natsu. Lfd natsu is soo above laxus its not even funny

Sooo if one mage is hugely weakend, that is how you gonnal compare. Seriously?
Remember when sting was gonna solo all fairy tail on the last day gmg

No he did not.
Laxus defeated fodder guild
Pre ts erza took out pre ts jura tier monster plus 99 other monsters

Laxus defeated jura
Erza took out kagura and Minerva
Jura is maximum a tier above kagura
He was shocked by god war spell
Even markarov who easily blocked hades 25 formula (which laxus couldnt escape from) said he couldnt follow pre ts erza and kagura final slash.
The last day performance was about equal.
Mishma only had dragon slayers performed against dragons





Difference between laxus and average springgan is equal equal or greater than difference between hades and tenrou wendy



That is why i dont like laxus.
He is one of the coolest character
With easily best entrances of all
But the way people hype him....

I'm not giving Wall any hype. His regular attacks, not even counting etherion here, are better than Invel's. Wall has shown physical strength that would match Laxus' with just his regular punch. That should honestly be enough to break the ice. Gray's physical strength was enough to break Invel's ice, and Gray's strength was evenly matched with Natsu's. Gray was more enraged against Natsu than he ever was against Invel. He pushed all the blame of Juvia's death on Natsu. Against Invel, Gray at least had the sense to know that killing Invel wouldn't have brought back Juvia. Against Natsu he outright stated that he would stop Natsu permanently....which meant that he was trying to kill him. Also, Gray was demonized against Natsu meaning he was using a stronger form on top of being more enraged. Laxus is stronger than Natsu with END's power.

The historia are Neinhart's magic. If he wants them to, he can have the historia protect them. Magic is magic. Direct and indirect is not a real distinction that matters. According to you, Wall's offensive capabilities can't possibly be stronger than Invel's defenses because they are both Srpiggans. If that is true, then Invel's offensive capabilities can't possibly be stronger than Neinhart's defenses....because they are also Spriggans.

Both Jose and Gajeel are stronger than Aria. Jose was Phantom Lord's guildmaster and a wizard saint. Gajeel was Phantom Lord's strongest wizard. Aria is none of those things. Also, like @Seven777 pointed out, Natsu was stronger than Happy had ever seen him before when he fought Gajeel. And guess what? Happy saw him fight Aria. Aria's durability is trash compared to Gajeel's, unless you think a regular punch from Makarov (not even in titan) can oneshot Gajeel. The difference between pre-timeskip Natsu and Erza wasn't huge. In Erza's own words, she considered Natsu on her level or stronger. This isn't something that Erza would say if she was confident she could solo Natsu and Gajeel like Laxus did. A single roar from Laxus had Natsu and Gajeel incapacitated for the length of an entire chapter. Had Laxus not wasted all his magic power trying to cast Fairy Law, he would have taken Natsu and Gajeel out in a few more regular attacks. Laxus would have actually taken out the entire Fairy Tail guild had Fairy Law actually worked. Not to mention, dealing with Thunder Palace already incapaciated Erza and the rest of the guild.

Spoiler: Makarov oneshots Aria without even looking

Spoiler: Erza on Natsu's strength

Jura was stated to be a match for Gildarts by Makarov, and Mirajane considered him stronger than both Erza and herself. He is way stronger than Minerva. Orga was stated as the most powerful member of Sabertooth, and Jura oneshotted him with a slap. It doesn't matter if only the dragon slayers got to shine against the Dragons. Laxus was in much better shape heading into the fight after fighting Jura than Erza was after fighting Minerva and Kagura.

Spoiler: Orga being stated as the Strongest of Sabertooth

Laxus can beat Wall, and then still have enough power left over to beat Hades. So yes. The difference in power between Laxus and a Spriggan is larger than the difference between Hades and Tenrou Wendy. It can't possibly not be. Like mathematically impossible.

 

[Seven777]

Where did you come from man?
Yes, emotion make natsu stronger, just like every other mage.
If i rank natsu by emotion
Then it natsu who fought gajeel
Then natsu who fought aria
Then and weakest natsu who started the fight against laxus. He was not serious in the start of laxus fight at all

So hype above feats, is that it?

I'm everywhere.

Not just emotions, Natsu had legitimate power tucked up inside him according to Erza, and he quite clearly released that against Gajeel.
The Natsu that fought Laxus was one that had already unlocked that untapped power, quite clearly seen by the fact that he was keeping up with and probably even outperforming Gajeel when they fought together.
So the order would be:
Natsu against Laxus>Natsu against Gajeel>>Natsu against Aria.

As for hype above feats, not really. Feats=clear cut statements>hype. Gajeel was clearly stated to be the strongest person in Phantom by the character who would know best, was constantly portrayed as Phantoms strongest, and he fought a stronger version of Natsu than Aria. By hype, statements and feats Gajeel is a cut above Aria. Gajeel also wasn't oneshot by Laxus which puts his durability squarely above Aria too, since Laxus was stronger than Erza and Erza oneshot him.

 

[LighteningLord]

You’d think Gray would have the advantage over E.N.D with demon slaying magic but that didn’t really seem to be the case.

I feel that they will be equally matched out and would have ended the fight pretty much the way Sasuke and Naruto did - a fistfight post MP exhaustion. But still, Erza stopped them before we could see that happening so "How would have that fight ended?" is anyone's guess.

 

[sharkai]

I'm everywhere.

Not just emotions, Natsu had legitimate power tucked up inside him according to Erza, and he quite clearly released that against Gajeel.
The Natsu that fought Laxus was one that had already unlocked that untapped power, quite clearly seen by the fact that he was keeping up with and probably even outperforming Gajeel when they fought together.
So the order would be:
Natsu against Laxus>Natsu against Gajeel>>Natsu against Aria.

As for hype above feats, not really. Feats=clear cut statements>hype. Gajeel was clearly stated to be the strongest person in Phantom by the character who would know best, was constantly portrayed as Phantoms strongest, and he fought a stronger version of Natsu than Aria. By hype, statements and feats Gajeel is a cut above Aria. Gajeel also wasn't oneshot by Laxus which puts his durability squarely above Aria too, since Laxus was stronger than Erza and Erza oneshot him.

Damn, that is gonna be a problem

You think this was some power he untucked. Allowing him to jump over blinded aria, over full powered aria to some one who is even above that. This power he released in the start of the series, still remain overall weak compared to most strong hitters in the series.

How does that exactly work? I mean is this the only time natsu does something like that?
Was gray equal to natsu in the start of phantom arc, how far below was gray from natsu after the phantom arc
I still think it was erza talking about natsu pof potential of one shotting fh zeref, nothing else

Whats a clear cut statement?

When was pre ts laxus stated to be above erza or had feats above pre ts erza

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I'm not giving Wall any hype. His regular attacks, not even counting etherion here, are better than Invel's. Wall has shown physical strength that would match Laxus' with just his regular punch. That should honestly be enough to break the ice. Gray's physical strength was enough to break Invel's ice, and Gray's strength was evenly matched with Natsu's. Gray was more enraged against Natsu than he ever was against Invel. He pushed all the blame of Juvia's death on Natsu. Against Invel, Gray at least had the sense to know that killing Invel wouldn't have brought back Juvia. Against Natsu he outright stated that he would stop Natsu permanently....which meant that he was trying to kill him. Also, Gray was demonized against Natsu meaning he was using a stronger form on top of being more enraged. Laxus is stronger than Natsu with END's power.

The historia are Neinhart's magic. If he wants them to, he can have the historia protect them. Magic is magic. Direct and indirect is not a real distinction that matters. According to you, Wall's offensive capabilities can't possibly be stronger than Invel's defenses because they are both Srpiggans. If that is true, then Invel's offensive capabilities can't possibly be stronger than Neinhart's defenses....because they are also Spriggans.

Both Jose and Gajeel are stronger than Aria. Jose was Phantom Lord's guildmaster and a wizard saint. Gajeel was Phantom Lord's strongest wizard. Aria is none of those things. Also, like @Seven777 pointed out, Natsu was stronger than Happy had ever seen him before when he fought Gajeel. And guess what? Happy saw him fight Aria. Aria's durability is trash compared to Gajeel's, unless you think a regular punch from Makarov (not even in titan) can oneshot Gajeel. The difference between pre-timeskip Natsu and Erza wasn't huge. In Erza's own words, she considered Natsu on her level or stronger. This isn't something that Erza would say if she was confident she could solo Natsu and Gajeel like Laxus did. A single roar from Laxus had Natsu and Gajeel incapacitated for the length of an entire chapter. Had Laxus not wasted all his magic power trying to cast Fairy Law, he would have taken Natsu and Gajeel out in a few more regular attacks. Laxus would have actually taken out the entire Fairy Tail guild had Fairy Law actually worked. Not to mention, dealing with Thunder Palace already incapaciated Erza and the rest of the guild.

Spoiler: Makarov oneshots Aria without even looking

Spoiler: Erza on Natsu's strength

Jura was stated to be a match for Gildarts by Makarov, and Mirajane considered him stronger than both Erza and herself. He is way stronger than Minerva. Orga was stated as the most powerful member of Sabertooth, and Jura oneshotted him with a slap. It doesn't matter if only the dragon slayers got to shine against the Dragons. Laxus was in much better shape heading into the fight after fighting Jura than Erza was after fighting Minerva and Kagura.

Spoiler: Orga being stated as the Strongest of Sabertooth

Laxus can beat Wall, and then still have enough power left over to beat Hades. So yes. The difference in power between Laxus and a Spriggan is larger than the difference between Hades and Tenrou Wendy. It can't possibly not be. Like mathematically impossible.

So your basic reason to believe wahl to be stronger than other springgans is laxus is strong so wahl is strong and wahl is strong because laxus is strong.
That is circular logic. There is no statement that claim wahl is sone exceptional strong springgan compared to others. Thus he wont hit harder than invel

How do you know laxus is stronger than End natsu

Nienhart doesnt have defensive magic. Thus it wont be as strong as someone primary magic.

How was gajeel stronger than aria. Keep in mind blinded aria was low diffing natsu. You are saying jumbed from being weaker than blinded aria, over full powered aria to above someone who is even stronger
You are comparisons are crappy. That aria was already one shotted by erza. He just got up to try to take out markarov again.

This what i said to you earlier, difference between natsu and erza was repeatedly shown yet non was shown between laxus and erza and suddenly you want me to believe that there is a larger gap between and erza and laxus compared to natsu and erza.lol
You just have to show me difference between erza and laxus prior to the time skip too. It should be more than and better than what i can show of erza and natsu
Let me start
1) Blind aria low diff natsu
Wrecked erza one shot full powered aria

2) OS arrival. No one knew their magic. Racer took out natsu, gray(with some angel help here) and three fodder.
Erza was taken out by racer, cobra, his snake, and hot eye in a sneak attack way.

3) gajeel who seems equal to natsu, was stalemated by pantherlily. The very next arc, azuma one shot pantherlily, wendy and mest.
Erza then took out azuma in his magic advantage field and with tenrou magic helping azuma

4) natsu was scared of erza. Erza knocked him out couple of time. No one thought natsu could beat erza

See i only have four. So you can give me five or more samples showing laxus superior to erza. Keep in mind dont compare wrecked erza with full power laxus. You also have to show me bugger difference than the one showed

Minerva wasnt introduced then, that was when ogra was the strongest. Jura tricked ogra too. Jura is no where near guldarts.
Jura hype? Do you believe the S monster hype from pandemonium

That was because erza was busy saving kagura


Yeah i agree if
Laxus can casually kill ajeel
Then technically difference between him and an average springgans should be more than hades and tenrou wendy.
But just imagine
Laxus vs ajeel+ wahl + serena+ bradman


that idea is just absurd
Maybe you shouldn't turn the entire fairy tail on its head just for one hype. Forget that hype and everything makes sense
Laxus can mid diff ajeel
Healthy laxus with pof can mid diff wahl
Laxus can mid diff serena if he doesnt have lightening ds

 

[LaGOAT]

Simple erza can’t solo natsu and gajeel while laxus can. natsu was closer to erza in power than erza was to laxus. Mystogan knockout the whole guild except laxus and makarov. Proving that gildartz>laxus>=mystogan>erza>=Mirajane.
tenrou island arc erza had help with 4 other people plus boost from Wendy magic didn’t do a dam thing to hades while laxus was able to hold his own Plus she was shock how laxus was much more powerful than her GmG arc Jura>kagura and miverna tartaros arc. Laxus no diff A demon gate was taken out by cancer if he wasn’t he would have solo the 9dgs plus in the anime a sick Laxus solo tempester once again erza struggle to beat her opponent and needed “because she erza”to Alavez arc lol come on now I can go on and on about this. Erza just said she needs natsu or gray help like bro it’s clear cut that Laxus>erza we shall see hopefully on Tues

 

[sharkai]

Simple erza can’t solo natsu and gajeel while laxus can. natsu was closer to erza in power than erza was to laxus. Mystogan knockout the whole guild except laxus and makarov. Proving that gildartz>laxus>=mystogan>erza>=Mirajane.
tenrou island arc erza had help with 4 other people plus boost from Wendy magic didn’t do a dam thing to hades while laxus was able to hold his own plus Plus she was shock how laxus was much more powerful than her GmG arc Jura>kagura and miverna tartaros arc. Laxus no diff demon gate was taken out by cancer if he wasn’t he would have solo the 9dgs plus in the anime a sick Laxus solo tempester once again erza struggle to beat her opponent and needed “because she erza”to Alavez arc lol come on now I can go on and on about this. Erza just said she needs natsu or gray help like bro it’s clear cut that Laxus>erza we shall see hopefully on Tues

My response to first two statements
How do you know?

Even markarov was sleepy? Erz knew nothing about mystogan unlike laxus. Erza did not have freed unlike laxus. Both would help laxus here. Besides we dont know whether laxus slept or not. We only saw him boosting afterwards

Erza was wrecked vs hades
Gmg sting was gonna take out the entire fairy tail team including laxus

She never compared herself with laxus

Jura> kagura
Kagura + Minerva > jura

Erza took out koyoka who got sayala curse power and was increasing in power ever moment also erza didnt have senses

Erza needs help to protect the orb. Not to take out laxus.

But i guess you have no problem if someone says the gap between laxus and average springgan is more than gap between hades and tenrou wendy

 

[LaGOAT]

because she Put herself or natsu level and thinks that natsu is probably stronger at phantom lord arc.

makrov didn’t fall asleep that’s the point. Irrelevant she cant overcome his sleeping magic point blank simple. Laxus never seen mystogan magic either prior to FF arc .
Wrecked? She was a okay with just some bruises just like every1 plus it was said the tree was “protecting” her and got a boost from Wendy.
that
erza was shock that Laxus was that powerful. Simple logic 101 Laxus>above me because he perform better than me
gmg sting didn’t do such thing and I doubt it he could even Laxus laugh him off asking if he was serious.

Mira said Jura>erza and herself. Erza and mira>>>kagura and Minerva


ya I know Laxus would have no diff her at the maximum low diff


Statement was for both beating laxus and protecting the orb nice try.

idc about that cuz that’s irrelevant to me

 

[Jko]

Simple erza can’t solo natsu and gajeel while laxus can. natsu was closer to erza in power than erza was to laxus. Mystogan knockout the whole guild except laxus and makarov. Proving that gildartz>laxus>=mystogan>erza>=Mirajane.
tenrou island arc erza had help with 4 other people plus boost from Wendy magic didn’t do a dam thing to hades while laxus was able to hold his own plus Plus she was shock how laxus was much more powerful than her GmG arc Jura>kagura and miverna tartaros arc. Laxus no diff demon gate was taken out by cancer if he wasn’t he would have solo the 9dgs plus in the anime a sick Laxus solo tempester once again erza struggle to beat her opponent and needed “because she erza”to Alavez arc lol come on now I can go on and on about this. Erza just said she needs natsu or gray help like bro it’s clear cut that Laxus>erza we shall see hopefully on Tues

Erza never cared to resist sleep magic on herself and it also was never useful in combat. Mystogan lacks feats to put him above Erza. Erza vs Erza and Erza vs Azuma > than anything he has done.

Wendy's boost were barely anything back then and all of them were tired fighting previously. Hades also held back against all of them and never fought them as seriously as he did Makarov.

Erza only had difficulty against Minerva and Kagura bcs she held back her Second Origin so essentially she was only her Tenrou self. Her Tenrou self also stomped Kagura as soon as she got serious as well.

Laxus in Tartarus couldn't solo the 9DG. Erza only struggled with the strongest of 9D. Stronger 9Ds were way above the lesser 9Ds.

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Mira said Jura>erza and herself. Erza and mira>>>kagura and Minerva

When Mira said that statement she didn't know Erza had second origin so she said Jura is stronger than herself and Tenrou Erza. We also know Mira's modest of her own power.

There was also an episode in the anime where it shows that Jura couldn't scratch a FACE statue while Wendy utterly demolished one. Take that as you will lol. I don't see Jura beating Kyouka, Silver, or Seilah in Tartarus.

 

[Axiomus]

So your basic reason to believe wahl to be stronger than other springgans is laxus is strong so wahl is strong and wahl is strong because laxus is strong.
That is circular logic. There is no statement that claim wahl is sone exceptional strong springgan compared to others. Thus he wont hit harder than invel

How do you know laxus is stronger than End natsu

Nienhart doesnt have defensive magic. Thus it wont be as strong as someone primary magic.

How was gajeel stronger than aria. Keep in mind blinded aria was low diffing natsu. You are saying jumbed from being weaker than blinded aria, over full powered aria to above someone who is even stronger
You are comparisons are crappy. That aria was already one shotted by erza. He just got up to try to take out markarov again.

This what i said to you earlier, difference between natsu and erza was repeatedly shown yet non was shown between laxus and erza and suddenly you want me to believe that there is a larger gap between and erza and laxus compared to natsu and erza.lol
You just have to show me difference between erza and laxus prior to the time skip too. It should be more than and better than what i can show of erza and natsu
Let me start
1) Blind aria low diff natsu
Wrecked erza one shot full powered aria

2) OS arrival. No one knew their magic. Racer took out natsu, gray(with some angel help here) and three fodder.
Erza was taken out by racer, cobra, his snake, and hot eye in a sneak attack way.

3) gajeel who seems equal to natsu, was stalemated by pantherlily. The very next arc, azuma one shot pantherlily, wendy and mest.
Erza then took out azuma in his magic advantage field and with tenrou magic helping azuma

4) natsu was scared of erza. Erza knocked him out couple of time. No one thought natsu could beat erza

See i only have four. So you can give me five or more samples showing laxus superior to erza. Keep in mind dont compare wrecked erza with full power laxus. You also have to show me bugger difference than the one showed

Minerva wasnt introduced then, that was when ogra was the strongest. Jura tricked ogra too. Jura is no where near guldarts.
Jura hype? Do you believe the S monster hype from pandemonium

That was because erza was busy saving kagura


Yeah i agree if
Laxus can casually kill ajeel
Then technically difference between him and an average springgans should be more than hades and tenrou wendy.
But just imagine
Laxus vs ajeel+ wahl + serena+ bradman


that idea is just absurd
Maybe you shouldn't turn the entire fairy tail on its head just for one hype. Forget that hype and everything makes sense
Laxus can mid diff ajeel
Healthy laxus with pof can mid diff wahl
Laxus can mid diff serena if he doesnt have lightening ds

There's no circular reasoning here. This is the power that Wall can generate with a basic punch. Invel has no attack on this level, so it's entirely accurate to say that Wall has better attack power than Invel. Note that I didn't say that Wall is stronger than Invel overall. They have the same amount of magic power, but having the same amount of magic power doesn't mean that their attacks on the same level.

Spoiler: Wall's regular punch

Using your logic Neinhart can hit as hard as etherion just because Neinhart is a Spriggan as well, and his magical blasts are technically his best attack. Also, Neinhart was enchanted by Irene to have magic power beyond that of a regular Spriggan, so his winds should technically be stronger than Invel's attacks and Wall's etherion. It's absurd. Also, Neinhart can create historia to defend him. The historia can use defensive magic. According to you, since the historia is Neinhart's magic and Neinhart is a Spriggan, a historia defending Neinhart should be able to ward off Invel's strongest attack. There is no such thing as a distinction between "direct" and "indirect" magic. That's quite literally a definition that you just made up.

I know Laxus is stronger than Natsu with END's power because Laxus can kill a Spriggan with one good hit, and Natsu with END's power cannot. Laxus would have killed Ajeel had August not protected him, and he did kill Wall with the first hit that Wall wasn't immune to. Natsu didn't kill Dimaria despite being enraged.

Gajeel was stronger than Aria because the guild master of the Phantom Lord, who was stronger than both, outright stated that he was the strongest man of their guild. Aria beating up Natsu means very little because Natsu was simply stronger when he fought Gajeel. Erza told Natsu that he had a dormant power inside him, and that he should release it to fight Gajeel. He did that. Then when he fought Gajeel, Happy noted that Natsu was stronger than he had ever seen him before. Happy saw Natsu fight Aria, so that right there proves that Natsu was stronger fighting Gajeel than Aria. Erza then noted that Natsu was at least as strong as her or stronger. The difference between Natsu and Laxus is so large that Laxus can stomp both him and Gajeel. The difference between Natsu and Erza isn't anywhere near that large because herself outright considers Natsu on her level or stronger. You simply don't say that if you think you can solo Natsu and Gjaeel.

• Laxus beats Jura, Mirajane considers Jura stronger than herself and Erza combined. Also, the Orga guild card came out after the GMG arc. Minerva was definitely introduced by then, so Jura oneshotting Orga just proves how much stronger Jura is than Minerva.
• Laxus was in better shape after fighting Jura was than Erza was after fighting Minerva and Kagura. Laxus was good enough shape to brawl with Zirconis the whole time, while Erza collapsed fighting Motherglare's babies.
• Laxus beats Natsu and Gajeel, and Erza considers Natsu just as strong as herself
• Laxus' magical power when given to Natsu was stated to comparable to when Natsu ate etherion, and what Natsu could pull off with LFD against Hades was better than the combined efforts of the entire team.
• Jellal straight up soloed Oracion Seis during the Tartaros arc. Laxus is on his level. Pre-timeskip Erza would have been taken out by a combination of Cobra and Racer.

Laxus would have indeed killed Ajeel if not for August, but this doesn't actually matter. Laxus doesn't have to be able to solo 4 Spriggans in order to prove that the power gap between him and a Spriggan is larger than the power gap between Hades and Wendy. The difference in power between Wendy and Hades isn't equal to the power of 3 entire Spriggans to begin with. Let's say Hade's power is a 10 and Wendy's power is a 2. That would make a Spriggan's power somewhere around 40 (God Serena can solo 4 mages of Hade's level). Laxus can defeat a Spriggan and then defeat Hades, which would make him at least 50. Obviously, the difference between 50 and 40 is larger than the difference between 10 and 2. Laxus can beat Hades after beating Wall. This fact alone proves that the power difference between Laxus and a Spriggan is larger than that of Hades and Wendy. After using up the power to beat Wall, Laxus still had more power than all of Hades. How can that possibly be less than the difference between Hades and Wendy?