Discussion Gray Fullbuster Thread

[LighteningLord]

I feel Gray is one of those FT characters that Mashima has not completely exploited. But then again, as far as ice users in anime and manga go, I feel that only Todoroki has been given the appropriate limelight and also Elsa from Frozen. Gray can be a brute of a badass if his character could have been explored more. But at his current state, he is only slightly below Erza and above the likes of Gajeel, Wendy and Jellal.

 

[sharkai]

Laxus had higher stats than Erza in every category according to the GMG cards. Mirajane said that she wasn't sure if Erza and her combined could take on Jura, and then Laxus beat him solo. Laxus would have Ajeel according to August, which is why August stepped in to shield Ajeel. Ajeel gave Erza a high difficulty fight. Laxus just low-diffed Kyria, whom was arguably on Erza's level. Currently Erza is wishing that she has help fighting Laxus. Without tapping into POF, Laxus is much stronger than Erza. An argument can be made that Erza with POF is stronger than Laxus, but Erza is stronger than Gray even without her POF so it's a moot point.

Wall never used weakness against Laxus. He just created a bunch of machinery to punch and blast Laxus with, and he was good at doing that. An argument can be made for God Serena's attacks being on the same level as Wall's, but only Wall's basic attacks. God Serena has nothing on the level of Etherion. Dimaria's attacks aren't really on Wall's level at all.

Just because Invel's armour is his best spell doesn't mean that the armour would allow Invel to tank etherion. The armor was never stated to be super durable. That wasn't the selling point of the armour. Invel just said that the ice was really cold and could freeze everything, not that the ice was really hard to break. There's no reason to believe that the ice armour offers a greater degree of durability than Wall's body to begin with. I'm not willing to hype the armour up as some super-tanky armour that can take blows from etherion. If red lightning acted as a weakness for Wall and Wall only tanked Laxus' attacks because of his safeguards, then Wall's durability might not be all that impressive. But it's not like Invel tanked any amazing attacks either. Their durability should be more or less on the same level.

I dont know why you are ranking wahl so high. He is an average springgan with average states for springgans. I am not gonna hype him up for some aoe or name like etherion. Wahl strongest move is etherion, invel is his ice armor. Wahl etherion is simple blast like attack, ice armor super cold defense. They are equal in strength so they should technically cancel each other out. Laxus has no power feat of overpowering a springgan strongest move, gray has.
I will give you that the armor might be more towards freezing then defense, but it is an armor, gray overpowered its freezing ability and its defense, gray overpowered it completely.

Invel body durability should be equal to wahl body durability. His armor is extra defense.

Seriously, i dont think there is any point in discussing this further. I simply dont believe wahl can have offence above invel defence. They are average springgans so their stats shouldn't be that out of wack


Seriously using gmg cards
Fine, i will agree with them for you.
Now keep in mind those gmg cards shows stats of laxus after time skip training and stats of erza before SO
So basically stats of gmg laxus and pre time skip erza
And and Natsu and sting and rougue were all equal

Hyping the enemy, like that is the first time we saw bs hype like this. Meanwhile without SO erza took out a pre ts jura tier monster plus 99 more monsters. Jura was suprised by that war god spell as well.
August was wrong. It did nothing to ajeel god complex, beside casual laxus killing springgan means he is aconologia tier, which is also bs. Stop believing every laxus hype. Or atleast believe all hype then. Laxus can mid diff ajeel, because ajeel hax wont work on laxus
Yes, erza needs help protecting the orb. Not defeating laxus. Laxus and erza are about equal. Erza interest is only in protecting the orb.
He beat kyria because he is weak
Its interesting that people actually believe difference between natsu and erza is small and difference between laxus and erza is huge. Even though before the time skip there were so many direct or indirect comparisons between erza and natsu but zero between laxus and erza
Aria low diffing natsu comparef to wrecked erza one shotting full powered aria, OS first appearance (natsu, gray and three fodder lost to racer, and racer plus cobra plus his snake plus sneak attack from hoteye put erza out) and azuma causally one shotting pantherlily just after edolas arc where pantherlily stalemated gajeel.
Erza had hype and feats above natsu pre ts. Laxus had nothing, not even hype. So no makarov doesnt think laxus is stronger than erza, nor does gildarts think that nor does natsu. If misham doesnt interrupt this fight, we will have our answer and you can lord over me how laxus one shotted erza

 

[Axiomus]

I dont know why you are ranking wahl so high. He is an average springgan with average states for springgans. I am not gonna hype him up for some aoe or name like etherion. Wahl strongest move is etherion, invel is his ice armor. Wahl etherion is simple blast like attack, ice armor super cold defense. They are equal in strength so they should technically cancel each other out. Laxus has no power feat of overpowering a springgan strongest move, gray has.
I will give you that the armor might be more towards freezing then defense, but it is an armor, gray overpowered its freezing ability and its defense, gray overpowered it completely.

Invel body durability should be equal to wahl body durability. His armor is extra defense.

Seriously, i dont think there is any point in discussing this further. I simply dont believe wahl can have offence above invel defence. They are average springgans so their stats shouldn't be that out of wack


Seriously using gmg cards
Fine, i will agree with them for you.
Now keep in mind those gmg cards shows stats of laxus after time skip training and stats of erza before SO
So basically stats of gmg laxus and pre time skip erza
And and Natsu and sting and rougue were all equal

Hyping the enemy, like that is the first time we saw bs hype like this. Meanwhile without SO erza took out a pre ts jura tier monster plus 99 more monsters. Jura was suprised by that war god spell as well.
August was wrong. It did nothing to ajeel god complex, beside casual laxus killing springgan means he is aconologia tier, which is also bs. Stop believing every laxus hype. Or atleast believe all hype then. Laxus can mid diff ajeel, because ajeel hax wont work on laxus
Yes, erza needs help protecting the orb. Not defeating laxus. Laxus and erza are about equal. Erza interest is only in protecting the orb.
He beat kyria because he is weak
Its interesting that people actually believe difference between natsu and erza is small and difference between laxus and erza is huge. Even though before the time skip there were so many direct or indirect comparisons between erza and natsu but zero between laxus and erza
Aria low diffing natsu comparef to wrecked erza one shotting full powered aria, OS first appearance (natsu, gray and three fodder lost to racer, and racer plus cobra plus his snake plus sneak attack from hoteye put erza out) and azuma causally one shotting pantherlily just after edolas arc where pantherlily stalemated gajeel.
Erza had hype and feats above natsu pre ts. Laxus had nothing, not even hype. So no makarov doesnt think laxus is stronger than erza, nor does gildarts think that nor does natsu. If misham doesnt interrupt this fight, we will have our answer and you can lord over me how laxus one shotted erza

I'm not hyping Wall up. He has the best feats when it comes to attack power. Just Wall's regular punches are better than pretty much any attack Invel has in his arsenal. Then he has his attacks in assault mode on top of that. Then he has etherion on top of even that. He simply hits harder.

Spoiler: Wall's regular punch

Wall's body is made out of metal, which is stronger than skin to begin with. Then he has whatever improvements assault mode gave him. Invel's ice armour is just a layer of really cold ice. It was never hyped up as being super durable. The council's Etherion has the hype of being able to destroy a country. Even if Wall's etherion was weaker, it would still be stronger than any of Wall's other attacks. Other attacks which, quite frankly, already show the physical strength necessary to shatter Invel's ice. If you simply don't believe that Wall's attacks can overpower Invel's defense on the basis that they are both Spriggans, then I simply don't believe that Invel's offense can overpower Neinhart's defense on the basis that they are both Spriggans. It's the exact same logic.

The GMG card didn't account for second origin correct. Erza with second origin is much closer to Laxus. Erza without second origin was not. Why would August be wrong? He is far strong ander more experienced than Ajeel, and Ajeel has done nothing afterwards to suggest that he would have survived Laxus' nuke. He was heavily damaged by Jupiter and defeated by Elfman and Lisanna. Both of whom are far weaker than Laxus. So what if Jura took note of Minerva's spell? Laxus was in far better shape after he defeated Zirconis than Erza was in after defeating Minerva. Laxus was duking it out with Zirconis, while Erza pretty much collapsed fighting the baby dragons. Natsu during the Phantom Lord arc wasn't that strong, and Aria was a bad match-up for him. Gajeel was Phantom Lord's strongest man, and he flat out stated that that Laxus was a monster and he was glad that Phantom Lord didn't have to face him during their guild war. Erza was indeed stronger than pre-timeskip Natsu, but what do you mean that Laxus had nothing that puts him above pre-TS Natsu? Laxus saved everyone on Tenrou Island, and his magic power was what fueled Natsu's LFD. Natsu even said that he was so much stronger than him. Current Erza is right now saying that she wished she had help Natsu or Gray's help against Laxus. That shows us right there how much stronger Laxus is compared to her. It doesn't really matter if Laxus' inner weakness was what allowed him to defeat Kyria. I wasn't even considering Kyria's hax. Just on a basis of trading attacks, Laxus completely dominated Kyria. Kyria wasn't able to land a single scratch on him, whereas during her fight with Erza she was able to break her sword and cut her up. Erza herself even surprised that Laxus took out Kyria, whom she still considers to be formidable.

In any case, it doesn't matter. Gray is not Erza. My point was that Gray would have been even more enraged fighting Natsu than he was when he fought Invel. He also used his demonized form against Natsu which he didn't use against Invel, so he had a further power-up. Each one of Gray's attacks would have been at least as strong as the punch that shattered Invel's armour. Erza was able to step in and block both Natsu and Gray's all out punches with her bare hands. Laxus just needs to be able to do that to stop Gray's attacks, not prove that he can overpower Wall's etherion. If Laxus manages to beat Erza, or even trades evenly with her, he would be stronger than Gray.

 

[sharkai]

I'm not hyping Wall up. He has the best feats when it comes to attack power. Just Wall's regular punches are better than pretty much any attack Invel has in his arsenal. Then he has his attacks in assault mode on top of that. Then he has etherion on top of even that. He simply hits harder.

Spoiler: Wall's regular punch

Wall's body is made out of metal, which is stronger than skin to begin with. Then he has whatever improvements assault mode gave him. Invel's ice armour is just a layer of really cold ice. It was never hyped up as being super durable. The council's Etherion has the hype of being able to destroy a country. Even if Wall's etherion was weaker, it would still be stronger than any of Wall's other attacks. Other attacks which, quite frankly, already show the physical strength necessary to shatter Invel's ice. If you simply don't believe that Wall's attacks can overpower Invel's defense on the basis that they are both Spriggans, then I simply don't believe that Invel's offense can overpower Neinhart's defense on the basis that they are both Spriggans. It's the exact same logic.

The GMG card didn't account for second origin correct. Erza with second origin is much closer to Laxus. Erza without second origin was not. Why would August be wrong? He is far strong ander more experienced than Ajeel, and Ajeel has done nothing afterwards to suggest that he would have survived Laxus' nuke. He was heavily damaged by Jupiter and defeated by Elfman and Lisanna. Both of whom are far weaker than Laxus. So what if Jura took note of Minerva's spell? Laxus was in far better shape after he defeated Zirconis than Erza was in after defeating Minerva. Laxus was duking it out with Zirconis, while Erza pretty much collapsed fighting the baby dragons. Natsu during the Phantom Lord arc wasn't that strong, and Aria was a bad match-up for him. Gajeel was Phantom Lord's strongest man, and he flat out stated that that Laxus was a monster and he was glad that Phantom Lord didn't have to face him during their guild war. Erza was indeed stronger than pre-timeskip Natsu, but what do you mean that Laxus had nothing that puts him above pre-TS Natsu? Laxus saved everyone on Tenrou Island, and his magic power was what fueled Natsu's LFD. Natsu even said that he was so much stronger than him. Current Erza is right now saying that she wished she had help Natsu or Gray's help against Laxus. That shows us right there how much stronger Laxus is compared to her. It doesn't really matter if Laxus' inner weakness was what allowed him to defeat Kyria. I wasn't even considering Kyria's hax. Just on a basis of trading attacks, Laxus completely dominated Kyria. Kyria wasn't able to land a single scratch on him, whereas during her fight with Erza she was able to break her sword and cut her up. Erza herself even surprised that Laxus took out Kyria, whom she still considers to be formidable.

In any case, it doesn't matter. Gray is not Erza. My point was that Gray would have been even more enraged fighting Natsu than he was when he fought Invel. He also used his demonized form against Natsu which he didn't use against Invel, so he had a further power-up. Each one of Gray's attacks would have been at least as strong as the punch that shattered Invel's armour. Erza was able to step in and block both Natsu and Gray's all out punches with her bare hands.

Nienhart doesnt have defensive magic

Metal is not stronger than mages skin
That punch is only for show, it does no more damage than jacob punch or mira punch

If gmg cards are accurate than SO erza is straight above gmg laxus. Keep in mind max stalemated natsu. SO natsu was considerably above max

Aria by feat was the strongest mage, and was not a bad matchup for natsu. Phantom arc and fighting festival are only have one arc in between. I know there is difference between natsu and laxus, i know there is difference between natsu and erza. But i cant find any difference between erza and laxus.
That is what i am saying difference between erza and natsu is clearly shown, difference between laxus and natsu was shown in their fight, but no difference between erza and laxus was shown.

Actually laxus has not shown anything to suggest a casual nuke of his can kill ajeel. When laxus casually kill someone of springgan level i would agree with you. I guess you also believe laxus can casually kill elfmen and mira.

Erza starts her arc with weak attacks, moves up from there. Laxus starts at near top and tries to finish the fight fast, so he doesnt occupy too much panels

As i said, gray overpowered invel strongest move
Laxus never overpowered wahl strongest
I dont consider wahl to be stronger than invel
That is all
I agree with you laxus is over all much stronger than grays. But i believe pof gray can hit harder or atleast as hard as pof laxus can

I cant add anything else so i think this is my last post on this topic. You can have the last say if u want. We can talk about erza or laxus in power level thread

 

[Axiomus]

Nienhart doesnt have defensive magic

Metal is not stronger than mages skin
That punch is only for show, it does no more damage than jacob punch or mira punch

If gmg cards are accurate than SO erza is straight above gmg laxus

Aria by feat was the strongest mage, and was not a bad matchup for natsu. Phantom arc and fighting festival are only have one arc in between. I know there is difference between natsu and laxus, i know there is difference between natsu and erza. But i cant find any difference between erza and laxus.
That is what i am saying difference between erza and natsu is clearly shown, difference between laxus and natsu was shown in their fight, but no difference between erza and laxus was shown.

Actually laxus has not shown anything to suggest a casual nuke of his can kill ajeel. When laxus casually kill someone of springgan level i would agree with you. I guess you also believe laxus can casually kill elfmen and mira.

Erza starts her arc with weak attacks, moves up from there. Laxus starts at near top and tries to finish the fight fast, so he doesnt occupy too much panels

As i said, gray overpowered invel strongest move
Laxus never overpowered wahl strongest
I dont consider wahl to be stronger than invel
That is all
I agree with you laxus is over all much stronger than grays. But i believe pof gray can hit harder or atleast as hard as pof laxus can

I cant add anything else so i think this is my last post on this topic. You can have the last say if u want. We can talk about erza or laxus in power level thread

Sure, he can. Neinhart can create a historia to defend himself with, can't he? Those historia can use defensive magics, can they not? If Neinahart created a historia of say....God Serena, wouldn't that entail him to all the defensive magic of God Serena? Besides, Invel's armour was never stated to be super good at defense either. Certain mages can enhance their skin with magic, particularly magics that involve transformations or changing the body, but in general metal is harder than regular skin.

The mistake here is assuming that Wall's strongest move is equal to Invel's strongest move. Invel's with his armor doesn't hit as hard as Wall's regular punches. It's also not being lauded as something that provides a massive defense boost. The main point of Invel's armour is so that he can freeze you. We've seen the strength it takes to break the armour. We've seen Gray use even stronger attacks against Natsu, and we've seen Erza use block both Natsu and Gray's attacks. Invel's armour should scale to those feats, not Wall's etherion. I don't actually have a problem if you think POF made Gray as strong as Laxus, or even stronger. However, the implication of your argument is that Gray's punch can overpower etherion... and that's too much of a reach.

The stats aren't linear. Jura is stronger than both Erza and Mirajane despite both having full 5/5 scores, and Jura having 6/5. Jose was the guildmaster, and he considered Gajeel is the strongest mage in his guild. In any case, Laxus would have downright stomped anyone at Phantom Lord if he could solo Natsu and Gajeel. Heck, I see no reason that Laxus couldn't have beaten Jose like Makarov did. He had Fairy Law as well, and it would have worked as he would have targetted Jose as an enemy of the guild. The difference between Erza and Laxus can be found in their respective performance against Hades. Natsu's LFD was all Laxus' power, and it did far better than the combine efforts of the team. The nuke would have killed Ajeel according to August, and I consider August a reliable opinion. August is the strongest mage among the Spriggan 12, and would have likely known Ajeel's limits. He deemed Laxus' attack as being something that he needed to personally step in to block. I don't think Laxus can casually kill Elfman and Mirajane, as they are stronger than the Spriggans. He would still beat them with around the same effort that went into beating Kyria though.

 

[Ramen]

I feel Gray is one of those FT characters that Mashima has not completely exploited. But then again, as far as ice users in anime and manga go, I feel that only Todoroki has been given the appropriate limelight and also Elsa from Frozen. Gray can be a brute of a badass if his character could have been explored more. But at his current state, he is only slightly below Erza and above the likes of Gajeel, Wendy and Jellal.

Don't forget Aokiji.

 

[LighteningLord]

Don't forget Aokiji.

Sorry I totally did!! It came back to me as soon as I read the post.
Also it is truely great to see that how a Gray Fullbuster string can turn into a Laxus string!! XD. The fanbase for that character is completely viral indeed!

 

[Ramen]

Sorry I totally did!! It came back to me as soon as I read the post.
Also it is truely great to see that how a Gray Fullbuster string can turn into a Laxus string!! XD. The fanbase for that character is completely viral indeed!

That's cuz Laxus is the goat

 

[Jko]

Above slightly Gajeel/Jellal tier but below Erza tier.

 

[Karna]

He will surpass Mira.

 

[AmitDS]

I don't think Mashima hates Gray I just think that people are underestimating Skullion. He is clearly not like Madmole and Kyria and Gray used his best stuff against him. I believe the reason Gray didn't get to beat him a 2nd time like Erza and Natsu did their opponents is because Gray will have to power up to take him down so Gray got a better opponent, the leader of the trio. It also is good that Mirajane is still strong and Gray still is wary of her because it just means that Gray has to keep training and getting stronger. If he was already on top of the guild then we would have probably not seen a 100 years quest series where the entire guild is doing well and more powerful enemies arise.

 

[Raven]

I don't think Mashima hates Gray I just think that people are underestimating Skullion. He is clearly not like Madmole and Kyria and Gray used his best stuff against him. I believe the reason Gray didn't get to beat him a 2nd time like Erza and Natsu did their opponents is because Gray will have to power up to take him down so Gray got a better opponent, the leader of the trio. It also is good that Mirajane is still strong and Gray still is wary of her because it just means that Gray has to keep training and getting stronger. If he was already on top of the guild then we would have probably not seen a 100 years quest series where the entire guild is doing well and more powerful enemies arise.

Why would he be the top of the guild? That privilege not for him. Maybe you mean he will be from the top mages which sounds more realistic.

 

[kenedyfake]

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Gray is a great character and I don't think he needs to be the strongest for the fans to masturbate like others, keep having great fights ... I expect something great for him in this part of the bow.

 

[AmitDS]

Why would he be the top of the guild? That privilege not for him. Maybe you mean he will be from the top mages which sounds more realistic.

I was referring to people acting like Gray should be stronger than everyone except Natsu, Laxus and Gildarts and acting like Skullion besting him was bad for Gray. Maybe EOS he would be close to the top but people act like because of Alvarez he should be there already and anything less is Mashima hating him.

 

[Clown from Argentina]

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Gray is a great character and I don't think he needs to be the strongest for the fans to masturbate like others, keep having great fights ... I expect something great for him in this part of the bow.

He is the best-written character by the author in this story. Which already puts him above any stupid bags of power like Plotza\Plotsu\Laxsus

P.s I would like to see the design of its demonic form.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

It's been a long time since i posted here.
Hopefully Gray beats Skullion in their next encounter !

 

[Kouichi]

It's been a long time since i posted here.
Hopefully Gray beats Skullion in their next encounter !

Welcome back my man!

I hope he would showcase some new feats and defeat Skullion. And tbh it would be dope if he has Invel's ice permanently

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Welcome back my man!

I hope he would showcase some new feats and defeat Skullion. And tbh it would be dope if he has Invel's ice permanently

Thanks man !
That would be badass as hell not gonna lie.
I hope he has a demon form or something like that

 

[Karna]

I came here for the latest chapter.

 

[Ronin31]

Its interesting that people actually believe difference between natsu and erza is small and difference between laxus and erza is huge. Even though before the time skip there were so many direct or indirect comparisons between erza and natsu but zero between laxus and erza
Aria low diffing natsu comparef to wrecked erza one shotting full powered aria, OS first appearance (natsu, gray and three fodder lost to racer, and racer plus cobra plus his snake plus sneak attack from hoteye put erza out) and azuma causally one shotting pantherlily just after edolas arc where pantherlily stalemated gajeel.
Erza had hype and feats above natsu pre ts. Laxus had nothing, not even hype. So no makarov doesnt think laxus is stronger than erza, nor does gildarts think that nor does natsu. If misham doesnt interrupt this fight, we will have our answer and you can lord over me how laxus one shotted erza

I think that people underestimate Erza since the beginning. She is portrayed as a Fairy Tail's powerhouse the same as Laxus. They are basically on par. I think, on under circonstances, Erza can unlock more potential power due to PoF than Laxus, so she is "potentially" above him (like Natsu has far greater potential power than Gajeel, tapping into PoF to grow into Dragon Force, even during Tartaros Arc where they were portrayed even).

Erza starts her arc with weak attacks, moves up from there. Laxus starts at near top and tries to finish the fight fast, so he doesnt occupy too much panels

This is their way to fight. Erza is strategic and analyse foe's strength and weakness, like Grey. Laxus is an agressive character who want to exterminate his foe quickly, like Natsu.
The same was seen during their encounter. Erza was defensive, analysed and held back her strike on the first part where Laxus was going all out since the beginning.

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I think Gray is a great character. Potential to be clearly badass when he is in rage by Demon slayer's mood. His story is great as well, giving him potentially the Reason to tap into emotional power the same way as Erza : both survived due to friends' sacrifices, and they have to live for them. They are not in the same tier, Erza has much potential level, but Gray can grow far stronger in circonstances. I put him above the like of Gajeel and even Jellal for now, but the Jellal's future fight will determinate his current level.

Gray is one of my favorite but I think he is less expoited. I would like to see the fight between him and the Strauss siblings. We know he won, and even if they were exausted, it is a great fact for him, as he took down the two by himself and not only Mirajane. Elfman has a great power up and is a real tank for now, not fodder. Taking down the Raijinshou by only physical Devil Slayer and no magic is clearly a great fact as well.

I think Gray is usally underestimate. He is below Gildarts, Erza and Laxus's tier but remains one of the strongest in the Guild. For me, with Natsu, he is in the top five. Gray is a balance and strategic character, the same way as Erza, analyse situation and foe's strength/weakness. To the opposite, Natsu is an agressive character the same way as Laxus, who use all strength without restriction to explode a foe (Natsu began to think to restrain his Magic when he think to fight multiple opponents, like he did against Gajeel. but it is not in his Nature ^^).