Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[GL_Nova]

The point of my post in power inconsistency. By saying Erza red pants sword couldn't contend with Laxus power is basically saying Laxus is superior to Irene at her peak.

It couldn’t though. An being as I would put Laxus up against human Irene without hesitation, just all around a flawed argument. Unless your willing to argue that Erza is massively weaker than she was in Alvarez.

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totally wrong.
Double ko does not mean both ko, there is the difference.

double ko both ko in the same period of time.

both ko-both were ko, there it can go well that one has won with more advantage than the other.

and this has nothing to do with which erza I like more, if the author says one thing then it is that thing.

If Laxus says he has lost or according to others, then it is a tie, you and I do not know more than them.
but whoever is with the author and the words of laxus will be right, and that is what I do as a manga reader.

Everything in this post is headcannon. Your attempt to correlate the meaning of double KO to boxing was already shot full of holes, and clearly wouldn’t apply here. So you are the only person who believes what you’re posting right now. I’m really not even sure why you’re still making that straw man argument honestly.

Again, since Erza literally said she lost....why is this a discussion??

 

[Cosmicstar]

It couldn’t though. An being as I would put Laxus up against human Irene without hesitation, just all around a flawed argument. Unless your willing to argue that Erza is massively weaker than she was in Alvarez.

Thus my point of power inconsistency. Either you are to believe Erza got weaker or Laxus skin is more durable than Irene's enchanted meteor and his red lightning power is stronger than Irene's high enchant. Both are ridiculous and brings me to my point of power inconsistency.

 

[Axiomus]

The point of my post in power inconsistency. By saying Erza red pants sword couldn't contend with Laxus power is basically saying Laxus is superior to Irene at her peak.

Laxus isn't stronger than Irene at her peak, but it's entirely conceivable that he would be able to smash deus sema. He can probably even damage Irene's dragon form just as good as Erza did. He just wouldn't be able to beat Irene for the same reason Erza couldn't. The physical strength of her claw swipes is enough to shatter every bone in his body, and Irene outlasted Erza even after being cut out of her dragon form.

If Stardress mix only incorporates a portion of the spirits power than it would cost less to use than summoning the two spirits at once. So why Lucy can only use it for a second does not work with the consistency of the writing concerning stardress. The logic here doesn't add up. It would make more logical sense she would be able to use it longer than she would be able to summon 2 spirits.

Not sure why you would come to this conclusion. Both Lucy and her spirits have their own magic power. It takes a certain amount of magic power to maintain a gate. It takes a certain amount of magic power from Lucy to mix her star dresses. Apparently, mixing stardresses takes more power than maintaining 2 gates.

 

[bugen]

It couldn’t though. An being as I would put Laxus up against human Irene without hesitation, just all around a flawed argument. Unless your willing to argue that Erza is massively weaker than she was in Alvarez.

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Everything in this post is headcannon. Your attempt to correlate the meaning of double KO to boxing was already shot full of holes, and clearly wouldn’t apply here. So you are the only person who believes what you’re posting right now. I’m really not even sure why you’re still making that straw man argument honestly.

Again, since Erza literally said she lost....why is this a discussion??

I see that you continue reading only what you want to read.

I already put the example of double ko in boxing for another reason that is not what you argue.

I just put that example to let you know that the rules in double ko only give the victory to the one who gets up before, not the last to fall.
and that only in tournaments, not in battle

if I only read excuses, nothing renounces what I say, they are all excuses denying the meaning of double ko and that laxus lost-tie and that is in the manga

The one who is amazed at the ways of reading from others is me with you.

I am slightly happier if I still do not write messages, because it is embarrassing to read many barbarities denying the obvious.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Not sure why you would come to this conclusion. Both Lucy and her spirits have their own magic power. It takes a certain amount of magic power to maintain a gate. It takes a certain amount of magic power from Lucy to mix her star dresses. Apparently, mixing stardresses takes more power than maintaining 2 gates.

But it has already been established it doesn't though. Lucy would only be supporting a portion of the spirits magic in Stardress while supporting all of it by summoning the spirit itself. Lets use numbers as visuals.

let's just say It would cost Lucy 47 magical points to summon and maintain Virgo's power. It would cost about 23(Half that) magical points at most to use a portion of Virgo's power in Stardress. Same rules apply to Stardress Mix. It would cost less magical energy to use a portion of something rather than the full thing. That is just simple logic.

 

[GL_Nova]

Thus my point of power inconsistency. Either you are to believe Erza got weaker or Laxus skin is more durable than Irene's enchanted meteor and his red lightning power is stronger than Irene's high enchant. Both are ridiculous and brings me to my point of power inconsistency.

How? Laxus was able to murder a Spriggan in 1 blow and force August to save another from a single blow death. What about him being stronger than that meteor doesn’t jive for you? An that’s just in Alvarez, an I haven’t mentioned him being the only Slayer to land a blow on Acno after he goes on the offensive.

 

[LaGOAT]

@bugen double KO means both are both KO at the same time meaning simultaneously which did not happened. Erza fall first laxus did after laxus is stronger laxus won that fight. By ur logic natsu vs gajeel erza vs Kyouka is a tie. 2. U keep missing the point when I said action>words i go by actions erza fell first laxus followed after

 

[GL_Nova]

I see that you continue reading only what you want to read.

I already put the example of double ko in boxing for another reason that is not what you argue.

I just put that example to let you know that the rules in double ko only give the victory to the one who gets up before, not the last to fall.
and that only in tournaments, not in battle

if I only read excuses, nothing renounces what I say, they are all excuses denying the meaning of double ko and that laxus lost-tie and that is in the manga

The one who is amazed at the ways of reading from others is me with you.

I am slightly happier if I still do not write messages, because it is embarrassing to read many barbarities denying the obvious.

I really wish we could laugh react to stuff. Bro, I’m not interested in arguing your personal KO rules. Especially as you keep adjusting them.

I mean, what I’m waiting to read is why we’re arguing if Erza said she lost

 

[Axiomus]

But it has already been established it doesn't though. Lucy would only be supporting a portion of the spirits magic in Stardress while supporting all of it by summoning the spirit itself. Lets use numbers as visuals.

let's just say It would cost Lucy 47 magical points to summon and maintain Virgo's power. It would cost about 23(Half that) magical points at most to use a portion of Virgo's power in Stardress. Same rules apply to Stardress Mix. It would cost less magical energy to use a portion of something rather than the full thing. That is just simple logic.

Lucy isn't supplying all of her spirits power. The spirits have their own magic power. If Lucy spends 47 MP to summon Virgo, Virgo won't only have 47MP. She will have her own MP, on top of the MP Lucy uses to make her stronger. It would work more like this (number values don't really matter):

Lucy's MP: 500
Virgo's MP: 200
Cost of summoning Virgo: 47
Cost of creating a Virgo star dress: 30
Amount of MP Virgo can give to Lucy in a star dress: >200.

Mixing a star dress simply takes more power than maintaining Loke and Virgo's gates. This is not even up for debate, because it does. And Lucy herself says it does.

 

[Kiki]

The point of my post in power inconsistency. By saying Erza red pants sword couldn't contend with Laxus power is basically saying Laxus is superior to Irene at her peak.

power inconsistency? Laxus superior to Irene at her peak? Erza and Wendy didnt win against Irene. She committed suicide. Irene is still > Erza&Wendy/Laxus

 

[bugen]

I really wish we could laugh react to stuff. Bro, I’m not interested in arguing your personal KO rules. Especially as you keep adjusting them.

I mean, what I’m waiting to read is why we’re arguing if Erza said she lost

Laxus must know better than anyone else the outcome of the battle.
laxus knows the words of defeat of erza, also knows if there was superiority or not, also if there are tournament rules or not, also if he looked superior or not, and you know that he said he lost or even drew this vs after of everything commented.

if the one who has done the combat says after all this to have lost or to have tie, then it is.

It is not justification, they are facts and it is said after hearing the words of Erza and everything else.

Then there is even the author's confirmation.

I keep reading excuses denying the obvious from you.

 

[GL_Nova]

Laxus must know better than anyone else the outcome of the battle.
laxus knows the words of defeat of erza, also knows if there was superiority or not, also if there are tournament rules or not, also if he looked superior or not, and you know that he said he lost or even drew this vs after of everything commented.

if the one who has done the combat says after all this to have lost or to have tie, then it is.

It is not justification, they are facts and it is said after hearing the words of Erza and everything else.

Then there is even the author's confirmation.

I keep reading excuses denying the obvious from you.

Show me where Laxus said he lost? You keep repeating that everybody is denying the obvious, but literally your entire argument is predicated on two falsehoods.

1) The idea that when somebody says “that’s my line” it covers the entirety of what they’re responding to instead of just the exact line of dialogue preceding the statement. Erza said she lost, then gives a 4 page speech about how losing made her feel. After she says I’ll win next time, then he says that’s my line. So are you implying that Laxus was also given strength and a sense of comfort because of the power Erza displayed during the fight? He was also feeling guilty for going on the 100 years Quest? That’s not how the English language works. His comment doesn’t encompass her statement that she lost, its only a reply to her claim of future victory. He is clearly responding to her statement that she’ll be able to win next time. An he responds like every big brother ever. No, you fucking won’t. I’m gonna win next time, ima win every single time you step to me, just like I won today. Trust me

2) The idea that the statement of Double KO is an endorsement from Mashima. As opposed to a realistic statement of what’s happened. Both combatants have been rendered unable to fight, Erza passed out and Laxus went to sleep. It’s almost a blatant grasp for validity to support your argument. An not a strong one. I could easily make the same argument about the title. A crimson clash clearly shows that there is no favoritism while acknowledging the obvious theme of Erza Scarlett vs the Red Lightning Dragon. One that’s paid in full with the title Red Conclusion. Clearly an acknowledgement from Mashima that Laxus was his intended victor. Especially since we know he put more thought into the chapter name than what it took to type Double KO right? Flawless logic based on how you expect us to view things.

 

[yutu]

Lucy isn't supplying all of her spirits power. The spirits have their own magic power. If Lucy spends 47 MP to summon Virgo, Virgo won't only have 47MP. She will have her own MP, on top of the MP Lucy uses to make her stronger. It would work more like this (number values don't really matter):

Lucy's MP: 500
Virgo's MP: 200
Cost of summoning Virgo: 47
Cost of creating a Virgo star dress: 30
Amount of MP Virgo can give to Lucy in a star dress: >200.

Mixing a star dress simply takes more power than maintaining Loke and Virgo's gates. This is not even up for debate, because it does. And Lucy herself says it does.

I think the more that summoning lucy's spirits is like a parking meter, the more you use the spirits in the long run the more magic you use. If Lucy uses virgo for 1 hour it will cost her 47MP IF it's for 2 hours it will be 94MP and so on for 3h 4H.

 

[Axiomus]

I think the more that summoning lucy's spirits is like a parking meter, the more you use the spirits in the long run the more magic you use. If Lucy uses virgo for 1 hour it will cost her 47MP IF it's for 2 hours it will be 94MP and so on for 3h 4H.

Sure, it takes constant magic to maintain the gates.

 

[bugen]

Show me where Laxus said he lost? You keep repeating that everybody is denying the obvious, but literally your entire argument is predicated on two falsehoods.

1) The idea that when somebody says “that’s my line” it covers the entirety of what they’re responding to instead of just the exact line of dialogue preceding the statement. Erza said she lost, then gives a 4 page speech about how losing made her feel. After she says I’ll win next time, then he says that’s my line. So are you implying that Laxus was also given strength and a sense of comfort because of the power Erza displayed during the fight? He was also feeling guilty for going on the 100 years Quest? That’s not how the English language works. His comment doesn’t encompass her statement that she lost, its only a reply to her claim of future victory. He is clearly responding to her statement that she’ll be able to win next time. An he responds like every big brother ever. No, you fucking won’t. I’m gonna win next time, ima win every single time you step to me, just like I won today. Trust me

2) The idea that the statement of Double KO is an endorsement from Mashima. As opposed to a realistic statement of what’s happened. Both combatants have been rendered unable to fight, Erza passed out and Laxus went to sleep. It’s almost a blatant grasp for validity to support your argument. An not a strong one. I could easily make the same argument about the title. A crimson clash clearly shows that there is no favoritism while acknowledging the obvious theme of Erza Scarlett vs the Red Lightning Dragon. One that’s paid in full with the title Red Conclusion. Clearly an acknowledgement from Mashima that Laxus was his intended victor. Especially since we know he put more thought into the chapter name than what it took to type Double KO right? Flawless logic based on how you expect us to view things.

You're still the same, without showing anything and looking for excuses.

the phrase that is my line is only to the last sentence said, not to the rest, if that were, it should be those are my lines.
I see you have no arguments to follow.

the double ko and both ko is very different, I explained it before.

How it should hurt to know that you were wrong all the time in this regard.

 

[Star Frost]

I think the more that summoning lucy's spirits is like a parking meter, the more you use the spirits in the long run the more magic you use. If Lucy uses virgo for 1 hour it will cost her 47MP IF it's for 2 hours it will be 94MP and so on for 3h 4H.

That’s correct. For as long as Lucy has her spirits gates open for each passing second she’s using up her magic power required to maintain their gates. That’s why it’s so difficult to maintain more than one gate at the same time. Her magic power reserves is pretty decent. Having 2 of her spirits that was said to use a lot of magic, use a SDM, then have 2 more spirits out, and then another one out all while still not being tired.

 

[GL_Nova]

You're still the same, without showing anything and looking for excuses.

the phrase that is my line is only to the last sentence said, not to the rest, if that were, it should be those are my lines.
I see you have no arguments to follow.

the double ko and both ko is very different, I explained it before.

How it should hurt to know that you were wrong all the time in this regard.

Yeah, you didn’t make any useful points or defend your position in any way.

If it’s only to the last sentence your interpretation doesn’t stand.

Poorly, hence why it didn’t convince anyone. It has no bearing on the end of the fight. It’s just a statement that they are both knocked out.

 

[Demon Hunter]

do you guys remember back during Alvarez days when some people were saying that Natsu's FDK Demolition Fist equals to one or several Megaton Bombs

 

[bugen]

Yeah, you didn’t make any useful points or defend your position in any way.

If it’s only to the last sentence your interpretation doesn’t stand.

Poorly, hence why it didn’t convince anyone. It has no bearing on the end of the fight. It’s just a statement that they are both knocked out.

double ko - both got knocked out in the same time after hitting each other at the same time.
This is what happened, both clashed their techniques and both were left in a period of time.
in real life and tournaments, in fairy tail their magic collided and they were left out of exhaustion.
the excuse that he fell ko seconds later enters the same way by accepting to have also lost and put it mashima himself.


both ko - both were ko and here there does not have to be a close time span nor be knocked out by a blow between the two, here if there can be a loser or winner and you can also enter that one is left ko by a blow and the other goes to sleep or whatever.

you see, mashima put double ko, laxus who did the whole fight and heard the words of erza said he also lost-tie.

Now it turns out that you know more than laxus and more than mashima.

Even so, I imagine your next answers, so I have already said it more than clear, I am tired of making things clear.

 

[Demon Hunter]

double ko - both got knocked out in the same time after hitting each other at the same time.
This is what happened, both clashed their techniques and both were left in a period of time.

BRUH you literally contradicted yourself.

if we take double KO literally then it would mean they were KO'ed AT THE SAME TIME but that clearly ISN'T the case.