Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

Not even 10 percent of people remained when he ruled the world.

Originally, rule the entire world
It definitely puts you above everyone else.

This is simply a problem with mashima

I do not see how life wipe is translated into stats, I mean there are other ways to see a show of strength

 

[Ramen]

I do not see how life wipe is translated into stats, I mean there are other ways to see a show of strength

Well seeing as how no one was even able to stop him, then.......

 

[Axiomus]

I was just wondering

Igneel was soulless or something right, he wasnt at his peak.
Aconologia lost an arm agaisnt him
He has hax that makes him pretty resistant to magic

Killing serena causally isnt technically that impressive for many people, like those who think laxus can causally kill ajeel

Now we have these god dragons, they can be stronger than him. But people rightly so are pointing out that aconologia rulled the future, so these god dragons are weaker than him

And we have this event now, where gray a main character beat with huge difficulty an injured mira. People still believe gray being a main has a lot feats is stronger than mira, and we shouldn't take this seriously. But isnt it like aconologia being stronger than these god dragons because we have an offscreen feat of him ruling the future

I think i kind of explained my thoughts right

Igneel is just that strong. He's stronger than the 4 parent dragons, and those dragons were stronger than everyone on Ishgar that was disabled by face. The power that Igneel left behind for Natsu after his death was also strong enough to kill Zeref. Killing Igneel is the most impressive victory in the series.

Killing God Serena isn't that impressive. Which is why I didn't mention it. I mentioned ripping out half of Gildart's limbs, which is impressive.

Gray's high end feats are better than Mirajane's, particularly when he tapped into POF and fought evenly with Natsu with END's power. He struggled with putting Elfman and Mirajane down in the latest chapter, which I take at face value.

Acnologia is strong than these god dragons because he is resistant to all types of magic, whereas the god dragons are only resistant to one. They are on the same level as Acnologia in terms of MP and physical strength, much like how Igneel was. In fact, Ignia could possibly put up a stronger fight than Igneel. Acnologia with the rift of time fully harmonized is likely stronger than them all though.

 

[grey matter]

Igneel is just that strong. He's stronger than the 4 parent dragons, and those dragons were stronger than everyone on Ishgar that was disabled by face. The power that Igneel left behind for Natsu after his death was also strong enough to kill Zeref. Killing Igneel is the most impressive victory in the series.

Killing God Serena isn't that impressive. Which is why I didn't mention it. I mentioned ripping out half of Gildart's limbs, which is impressive.

Gray's high end feats are better than Mirajane's, particularly when he tapped into POF and fought evenly with Natsu with END's power. He struggled with putting Elfman and Mirajane down in the latest chapter, which I take at face value.

Acnologia is strong than these god dragons because he is resistant to all types of magic, whereas the god dragons are only resistant to one. They are on the same level as Acnologia in terms of MP and physical strength, much like how Igneel was. In fact, Ignia could possibly put up a stronger fight than Igneel. Acnologia with the rift of time fully harmonized is likely stronger than them all though.

Agreed mostly.
Except with God Serena part.

That's actually one of his best feats.
Even if you don't believe that Serena is Gildarts level; when Acno killed Serena, not even August could react. He was basically staring straight when Acno had already finished killing Serena, didn't even realize that Serena already died.
That basically proves that Acno can one shot even August, the strongest character in the arc, bar Acno

 

[Axiomus]

Agreed mostly.
Except with God Serena part.

That's actually one of his best feats.
Even if you don't believe that Serena is Gildarts level; when Acno killed Serena, not even August could react. He was basically staring straight when Acno had already finished killing Serena, didn't even realize that Serena already died.
That basically proves that Acno can one shot even August, the strongest character in the arc, bar Acno

Well yes. The fact that August also couldn't react to him was impressive.

 

[Ebony Maw]

Okay, I want to see your folks' opinions on this. This could be controversial but its been bugging me for a bit now.

Regarding the recent Mira vs Gray off-panelling and the Strauss' off-panel fight vs Dragon Eaters - how reliable are those fights as evidence?

Personally, I don't put much stock in them at all. Mainly because if we assume both to be true, the results are somewhat conflicting.

Spoiler: Skullion/Madmole feats prior to their fight against Strauss siblings

So, lets start with having a look at Skullion and Madmole's earlier feats:

- Madmole easily blocked a slash from Erza, shrugged off an FDK Demo Fist, his Armoured Fist was roughly even with Natsu's Iron Fist, and when Natsu fought Madmole again he chose to injure him by straight up roasting him in heat rather than trying to beat him down with direct striking attacks like Demo Fist

I think it goes without saying that this is incredibly impressive from a durability standpoint.

- Skullion was untouchable until Gray hit him with DeS Long Sword, which Skullion didn't even seem marked by, almost one-shot killed DeS Gray with Black Ash

Just like with Madmole, Skullion is clearly impressive, his intangibility is used well and his offensive hax (guessing Black Ash is hax atm) appears to be highly lethal.

Spoiler: Strauss' vs Dragon Eaters

Strauss' vs DE's:

- The fight starts with Strauss' on the backfoot, Mira can't hurt Skullion at all and Elfman hurts himself when he tries to punch Madmole

- When we go back to them the Strauss' are scratched up while Skullion and Madmole are unharmed

- Then we see a panel of them all fighting

- Finally, we go back to them to find Madmole and Skullion now scratched up

My question is, what the hell happened? Neither Mira or Elfman have any abilities that counter Skullion's Ash Body... yet he's harmed. Likewise, Madmole was left completely unscratched by a Demo Fist and yet is scratched. Neither Mira or Elfman have ever shown anything to suggest they have attacks on the level of Demo Fist* in the Souls they were using, so why is Madmole hurt? If it was maybe just one or two scratches I could potentially see it, but Madmole seems just as damaged as Skullion:

Spoiler

(*I'm not taking account of Mira's one-hit KO on Jacob, a near empty on MP and exhausted Mira having a regular punch in BSS being anywhere near the damage output of an FDK Demo Fist is ludicrous, especially considering that she had to go into Alegria to take down two Spriggan subordinates and was left exhausted by it. As for Elfman, we have no idea how many hits it took from him and Lisanna to put Ajeel down, so its dubious to use that fight as proof that he has damage output on the level of FDK Demo Fist. It gets even worse when you realise that covering Madmole with scratches should mean that they have attacks in base that are significantly stronger than Natsu's finisher...)

Its not like Mira or Elfman have ways of damaging them outside of raw striking power/Magical nukes either, so we can't speculate that they pulled something similar to FDK Purgatory to hurt Madmole.

There's also the question of whether or not the Dragon Eaters were going all out - so far Skullion's actual Magical attacks turn things into ash, but neither Mira or Elfman look to have been hit by one. And we know Skullion has damned good AoE with his ash + Black Ash, yet from how the Strauss' appear it looks like no ash was used. So arguably Skullion may have been taking DeS Gray more seriously. But that last bit is speculation, the main point is that Skullion's Magic attacks turn things to ash - so did Skullion only use CQC? Mira was clearly holding back somewhat due to not using a stronger Soul, but when we look at Skullion's previous feats the same could be said for him, since we have no reason to assume he tried using Black Ash.

Overall the result of the fight is strange.

Spoiler: Gray vs Mira (and presumably Elfman

Even if we assume that Strauss' vs DE's does make some sense, this result is even stranger.

So a 'beat up' Mira vs Gray ends with Mira defeated and Gray looking like he took some pretty significant damage. We don't really have much to go on, so I'll lay out the most likely events and why none of them really make much sense given what we've seen prior to this:

Event/Fight result possibilities:

1) DeS Gray vs beat up BBS Mira and Elfman = Gray wins mid/high-diff
2) Base Gray vs beat up BBS Mira and Elfman = Gray wins mid/high-diff
3) DeS Gray vs beat up BBS Mira = Gray wins mid/high-diff
4) Base Gray vs beat up BBS Mira = Gray wins mid/high-diff

Now IMO the most likely scenarios are 1 and 2, since Lucy, Juvia and Cana don't look like they've been fighting (Lucy has scratches but they were from Lucy vs Strauss' and it doesn't look like she has any more than before). Lets go over these two versions first.

Scenario 1 - Makes no sense given what we've seen of the DeS advantage, DeS Gray should be one-shotting Mira and making short work of Elfman, so he shouldn't be that scratched up

Scenario 2 - Also makes no sense since if Gray isn't in DeS then beat up Mira + Elfman should be overwhelming him massively due to their attacks that are somehow > FDK Demo Fist. Gray should lose in Base

As for the other two.

Scenario 3 - DeS Gray vs BBS Mira should end with Gray stomping her into the ground, so there's no way in hell this is what happened

Scenario 4 - This makes the most sense in terms of results, but not really in circumstance. Like I said earlier Elfman doesn't look to have fought any of the girls so someone had to have roughed him up a bit more, since its unlikely he would be weak enough to be captured in a card given he was still wanting to fight Skullion and Madmole

None of these make any sense in terms of both fight results and circumstances of the time. Especially not if you stick to the conclusion of the Dragon Eaters vs Strauss' fight where both Mira and Elfman apparently have attacks that are significantly stronger than Demo Fist.

Whichever way you look at it the results of the fights just don't make much sense, particularly when you start looking at what this does to the power scales.

 

[Hexbend]

Tbh it looks like Hiro didn’t want to waste time on the Mira & Elfman fights & get to the good stuff fast.

So he made the fights off screen, while not making Mira & Elfman look like scrubs ig.

Imo, I don’t take either of the off screen fights, seriously since they don’t make sense.
Also a reason Skullion might of not used Absolute Ash is bc he might of feared waking Aldoron by turning one his cities to ash.

 

[WoWfan]

Well that means he scales to or above those who are strong

 

[GL_Nova]

I don’t feel like the already established Power scale within the guild was greatly changed by this chapter. Though it serves the purpose of truly raising all the Tenrou squad to Spriggan tier.

 

[One4All]

IMO,Hiro doesn't really mind making some logic on offscreen fights,specially in this arc(a lot of off-screen fights). Atleast side characters had the chance to participate in this quest even though it should focus on the main team only.

I'll just see it as Siblings stalemated the DEs and then Gray wins Vs the siblings. Making out some stories out of the off-screen fights gives anyone the opportunity to put their favorites on pedestal and downplay the other which then leads to fan wars.

 

[GL_Nova]

IMO,Hiro doesn't really mind making some logic on offscreen fights,specially in this arc(a lot of off-screen fights). Atleast side characters had the chance to participate in this quest even though it should focus on the main team only.

I'll just see it as Siblings stalemated the DEs and then Gray wins Vs the siblings. Making out some stories out of the off-screen fights gives anyone the opportunity to put their favorites on pedestal and downplay the other which then leads to fan wars.

Nobody is interested in reading this long term without the rest of FT.

 

[Axiomus]

Okay, I want to see your folks' opinions on this. This could be controversial but its been bugging me for a bit now.

Regarding the recent Mira vs Gray off-panelling and the Strauss' off-panel fight vs Dragon Eaters - how reliable are those fights as evidence?

Personally, I don't put much stock in them at all. Mainly because if we assume both to be true, the results are somewhat conflicting.

Spoiler: Skullion/Madmole feats prior to their fight against Strauss siblings

So, lets start with having a look at Skullion and Madmole's earlier feats:

- Madmole easily blocked a slash from Erza, shrugged off an FDK Demo Fist, his Armoured Fist was roughly even with Natsu's Iron Fist, and when Natsu fought Madmole again he chose to injure him by straight up roasting him in heat rather than trying to beat him down with direct striking attacks like Demo Fist

I think it goes without saying that this is incredibly impressive from a durability standpoint.

- Skullion was untouchable until Gray hit him with DeS Long Sword, which Skullion didn't even seem marked by, almost one-shot killed DeS Gray with Black Ash

Just like with Madmole, Skullion is clearly impressive, his intangibility is used well and his offensive hax (guessing Black Ash is hax atm) appears to be highly lethal.

Spoiler: Strauss' vs Dragon Eaters

Strauss' vs DE's:

- The fight starts with Strauss' on the backfoot, Mira can't hurt Skullion at all and Elfman hurts himself when he tries to punch Madmole

- When we go back to them the Strauss' are scratched up while Skullion and Madmole are unharmed

- Then we see a panel of them all fighting

- Finally, we go back to them to find Madmole and Skullion now scratched up

My question is, what the hell happened? Neither Mira or Elfman have any abilities that counter Skullion's Ash Body... yet he's harmed. Likewise, Madmole was left completely unscratched by a Demo Fist and yet is scratched. Neither Mira or Elfman have ever shown anything to suggest they have attacks on the level of Demo Fist* in the Souls they were using, so why is Madmole hurt? If it was maybe just one or two scratches I could potentially see it, but Madmole seems just as damaged as Skullion:

Spoiler

(*I'm not taking account of Mira's one-hit KO on Jacob, a near empty on MP and exhausted Mira having a regular punch in BSS being anywhere near the damage output of an FDK Demo Fist is ludicrous, especially considering that she had to go into Alegria to take down two Spriggan subordinates and was left exhausted by it. As for Elfman, we have no idea how many hits it took from him and Lisanna to put Ajeel down, so its dubious to use that fight as proof that he has damage output on the level of FDK Demo Fist. It gets even worse when you realise that covering Madmole with scratches should mean that they have attacks in base that are significantly stronger than Natsu's finisher...)

Its not like Mira or Elfman have ways of damaging them outside of raw striking power/Magical nukes either, so we can't speculate that they pulled something similar to FDK Purgatory to hurt Madmole.

There's also the question of whether or not the Dragon Eaters were going all out - so far Skullion's actual Magical attacks turn things into ash, but neither Mira or Elfman look to have been hit by one. And we know Skullion has damned good AoE with his ash + Black Ash, yet from how the Strauss' appear it looks like no ash was used. So arguably Skullion may have been taking DeS Gray more seriously. But that last bit is speculation, the main point is that Skullion's Magic attacks turn things to ash - so did Skullion only use CQC? Mira was clearly holding back somewhat due to not using a stronger Soul, but when we look at Skullion's previous feats the same could be said for him, since we have no reason to assume he tried using Black Ash.

Overall the result of the fight is strange.

Spoiler: Gray vs Mira (and presumably Elfman

Even if we assume that Strauss' vs DE's does make some sense, this result is even stranger.

So a 'beat up' Mira vs Gray ends with Mira defeated and Gray looking like he took some pretty significant damage. We don't really have much to go on, so I'll lay out the most likely events and why none of them really make much sense given what we've seen prior to this:

Event/Fight result possibilities:

1) DeS Gray vs beat up BBS Mira and Elfman = Gray wins mid/high-diff
2) Base Gray vs beat up BBS Mira and Elfman = Gray wins mid/high-diff
3) DeS Gray vs beat up BBS Mira = Gray wins mid/high-diff
4) Base Gray vs beat up BBS Mira = Gray wins mid/high-diff

Now IMO the most likely scenarios are 1 and 2, since Lucy, Juvia and Cana don't look like they've been fighting (Lucy has scratches but they were from Lucy vs Strauss' and it doesn't look like she has any more than before). Lets go over these two versions first.

Scenario 1 - Makes no sense given what we've seen of the DeS advantage, DeS Gray should be one-shotting Mira and making short work of Elfman, so he shouldn't be that scratched up

Scenario 2 - Also makes no sense since if Gray isn't in DeS then beat up Mira + Elfman should be overwhelming him massively due to their attacks that are somehow > FDK Demo Fist. Gray should lose in Base

As for the other two.

Scenario 3 - DeS Gray vs BBS Mira should end with Gray stomping her into the ground, so there's no way in hell this is what happened

Scenario 4 - This makes the most sense in terms of results, but not really in circumstance. Like I said earlier Elfman doesn't look to have fought any of the girls so someone had to have roughed him up a bit more, since its unlikely he would be weak enough to be captured in a card given he was still wanting to fight Skullion and Madmole

None of these make any sense in terms of both fight results and circumstances of the time. Especially not if you stick to the conclusion of the Dragon Eaters vs Strauss' fight where both Mira and Elfman apparently have attacks that are significantly stronger than Demo Fist.

Whichever way you look at it the results of the fights just don't make much sense, particularly when you start looking at what this does to the power scales.

Honestly, I wouldn't be too worried about it. I just take everything at face value. Just assumed that Gray beat Mirajane and Elfman fairly easily because they were already heavily injured by Skullion and Madmole, and used up most of their power fighting them too. Just speaks to how strong the Dragon Eaters are to put Mirajane in a condition where Gray can come in and beat her.

 

[GL_Nova]

Where is this idea that Gray beat them both even coming from? Nothing suggests that and it actively goes against the narrative of the story..

 

[Axiomus]

Where is this idea that Gray beat them both even coming from? Nothing suggests that and it actively goes against the narrative of the story..

They were both defeated. So what else could have happened?

 

[Ramen]

Where is this idea that Gray beat them both even coming from? Nothing suggests that and it actively goes against the narrative of the story..

So did Elfman decide to take a nap?

 

[WoWfan]

Where is this idea that Gray beat them both even coming from? Nothing suggests that and it actively goes against the narrative of the story..

If by Narrative that Mira is still stronger then yes that is true

 

[GL_Nova]

They were both defeated. So what else could have happened?

The other two mages there beat Elfman as a team, before capturing other mages. You really think a Mashima had him take out both Strauss siblings and make no mention of it? Not even in response to getting mocked about how bad his performance was? Juvia wouldn’t point out how he took out both when making him feel better?

Also, after his performance against Madmole, who Natsu hasn’t been able to beat definitively yet either, you think Gray is strong enough to beat them both?

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So did Elfman decide to take a nap?

Same question

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If by Narrative that Mira is still stronger then yes that is true

That’s been the narrative the entire series. So what has you thinking Gray can beat her and Elfman after his showings this arc?

 

[Ramen]

There are no bruises on Cana, Lucy, Juvia

Gray would have a much easier tine with Elfman than Madmole. Last time I checked Elfman doesn't have that durability and can't tank a purgatory

 

[WoWfan]

The other two mages there beat Elfman as a team, before capturing other mages. You really think a Mashima had him take out both Strauss siblings and make no mention of it? Not even in response to getting mocked about how bad his performance was? Juvia wouldn’t point out how he took out both when making him feel better?

Also, after his performance against Madmole, who Natsu hasn’t been able to beat definitively yet either, you think Gray is strong enough to beat them both?

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Same question

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That’s been the narrative the entire series. So what has you thinking Gray can beat her and Elfman after his showings this arc?

I don't, I just see that there is no real change now verses the end of the Alvarez arc.

 

[GL_Nova]

There are no bruises on Cana, Lucy, Juvia

Gray would have a much easier tine with Elfman than Madmole. Last time I checked Elfman doesn't have that durability and can't tank a purgatory

Lucy is covered in bruises. An Cana is a long distance fighter. She didn’t have a ton of bruises after facing August either. It didn’t mean she wasn’t a part of the fight.

How? He can’t flashfreeze him, he isn’t strong enough as was already established. You think Gray was powerful enough to what? Nothing suggests he could 1 shot an opponent of that tier. An I don’t see Mira sitting back and watching them have a 1v1. So how does Gray beat both of them? How does he beat Mira with Elf backing her? How does he beat Elfman with Mira taking the potshots at him. An when the main conversation was about how much Gray struggled, why was no mention made of him beating them both? I mean they’ve mentioned Elfman every other chapter.

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I don't, I just see that there is no real change now verses the end of the Alvarez arc.

No real change? Literally everyone in FT but Mira and Gray has dropped something new. (And Gajeel) They are all clearly stronger than a year ago. It’s been the theme of the arc so far.