Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

No it wouldn’t have, all we know so far is that her HW had more impressive feats

 

[Ramen]

No it wouldn’t have, all we know so far is that her HW had more impressive feats

And it still didn't help her in the end.

 

[Axiomus]

Black magic is that special besides it being powered by the darkness of the heart, it utilizes depraved methods, it does not matter is he gets stronger still, that is the point, even getting injured after being powered up, clearly that was BS as that was just swords, you are wrong, get over it, besides those weapons are not special beyond just looking fancy, and since she did not use a bow and arrow, then it is not every weapon

Nothing that Bixlow, Nab, or Mary can use can be that special. Darkness in the heart is just a fancy way of saying negative emotions. Literally anyone can use it. Just pick up Kain Hikaru's doll and viola....You're a black mage. Don't have to be depraved or anything. Honestly, it's harder to learn thought projection than it is to become a black mage.

Laxus can use his blood to make his red lightning stronger, but he needs to have magic to use red lightning in the first place. If Laxus has no MP, then cutting himself won't make him stronger. Please don't tell me you think that if Laxus runs out of magic power, he can just cut himself to make his body physically stronger.

Erza's own words telling us what she's doing are BS? Erza doesn't even use bow and arrow in the manga. The only time she did so was during 1st movie, and the arrow wasn't even hers. At best, she has like one bow which she never uses in the manga. Even if we were to assume that one weapon was excluded from Erza's barrage, that is still worlds apart from saying that Erza didn't even attack Acnologia with as many weapons as she used to intimidate Evergreen. Besides, how exactly do you know she didn't have her one bow somewhere in that barrage against Acnologia?

 

[Ramen]

Ngl, I'll put Mira above Gray for the time being

Doesn't mean she's on Laxus, Gildarts, Laxus level

 

[WoWfan]

Which is still Black Magic, negative emotions or whatever is exclusive to Black Magic, nothing related to PoF, Mavis was dulled the value of life when war came out and she uses .black Magic. Bixlow uses Souls, that is depraved right there. I never said that, I said it doesn’t matter as HW is still strong enough to hinder stronger than normal Laxus while enchanted swords had a harder time. She does in movie and that is canon, the bow was hers but the arrow was not, that right there is a contradiction as it is a weapon, all does not exclude anything, and that exclude something and thus it cannot be all, case closed

 

[sharkai]

Laxus smiling and clearly not using his strongest spells show he was holding back.

Blitzing to show top tier speed in battle is what Jellal did to OS during Tartaros. Laxus and Erza were in a contained area so their top speed wasn;t shown but if we judge from what we've seen pre-100yq then Laxus has better speed.

Reiko is the only attack RL. Whether Heaven's Wheel is her strongest, he tanked all her other strongest attacks.

Yea he's bias too, I didn't see his post.

that is not right. mages normally dont use their strongest move from the get go. he also didnt improve after telling erza to stop hold back. i mean it went from overwhelming erza to being on the same field

i wouldnt even consider that a good feat. OS were out dated then, one demon was enough to stomp raijinnshuu. OS arc happened only little while after fighting festival (where raijinnshuu were the enemies)
i wouldnt, i always saw
jellal meteor=erza souring= laxus thunderbody
dont see why i should consider one faster than the other

Heaven's Wheel is her strongest we know it isnt, other than aria, no else has been taken out by this move. erza was holding back at the time. and no one did any tanking in that match. the closest tank was erza shrugging off laxus roar
Reiko is the only attack RL, what do you mean didnt laxus use this attack with pof against wahl?

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Yeah, but only one of them had literally just finished a fight that can be actively pointed too as the reason they are out of magic. Unless you think Erza is so poor at magic control that she lost more mana transforming than Laxus did using a secret art and fighting.

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His red lightning is simply an enhanced form of his lightning. So it’s obvious that’s his weakest spell. He can now, as was shown, enhance every single one of his spells. It’s a basic lightning attack turned into a RL attack. How can people think it’s stronger than RLD: Jaw, or Roaring Thunder? I mean we saw it had the same kind of area of effect as his RLD: Halberd.

as far as we know. in alverzec that was his strongest move. even now, it most likely is.

what you are saying basically is erza fire and ice sword are her weakest. wait till she enchant nakagami or benzikura with natsu magic

 

[WoWfan]

Actually, Aria would scale to Abyss Break which is stronger than Jupiter Cannon that knocked Erza out for most of the battle , so HW would be a very strong armor set, even more so against a stronger Laxus.

 

[sharkai]

Erza's heaven's wheel didn't even hit Laxus. Laxus and Erza simply exhausted themselves cancelling out each other's attacks. Then Erza collapsed first because she was out of magic, and then Laxus collapsed afterwards because he was also out of magic. It's not at all inaccurate to say that heaven's wheel matched Laxus' imperial red lightning. But it required Erza to use, in her own words, all of her power. To imply that a regular, non exhaustive heaven's wheel attack could bring down via damage is plain wrong. Quite frankly, a bit dishonest.



It probably is. It's the same move she used on Acnologia. When Erza spams all of her weapons, it's her strongest move. If she's shooting all of her weapons, then somewhere among those weapons is her various enchanted katanas, the spear from nakagami armour, ect.

not even a chance
against laxus she didnt use all her power in her weakest attack. she used it against aconologia only.


unless you are also assuming laxus imperial red lightning had all his strongest making it stronger.
laxus is not aconologia please


erza putting effort into heaven wheel is same as nastu putting effort into a dragon roar.

 

[WoWfan]

She used all the weapons her Heaven’s Wheel could muster against Acnologia. But she did use all her magic power against Laxus which did deliver some damage to him.

 

[Axiomus]

not even a chance
against laxus she didnt use all her power in her weakest attack. she used it against aconologia only.


unless you are also assuming laxus imperial red lightning had all his strongest making it stronger.
laxus is not aconologia please


erza putting effort into heaven wheel is same as nastu putting effort into a dragon roar.

Heaven's wheel isn't her weakest attack. It's her strongest, and she used her remaining power to use it. Imperial red lightning is Laxus' strongest attack too, yes. Their strongest attacks cancelled each other's out. Either that or the enchanted swords were Erza's strongest attack and Laxus simply tanked them....and then they only had enough power to use their weakest attacks. That also works, but seems like an anti-climatic way to interpret the fight.

Obviously Laxus is not Acnologia, but if Erza is spamming weapons with Heaven's Wheel until she runs out of MP, then it's the same move. Or it's a worse move if you want to argue that Blumenblatt does not summon every single weapon. But it still uses up all of Erza's MP, which means if she didn't summon all her weapons it's because she didn't have enough MP.

No. Natsu doesn't exhaust himself using a roar, even an FDK roar. If Erza is exhausting herself with an attack, then it's the equivalent of Natsu using demolition fist in Dragon Force.

 

[WoWfan]

Depends on who’s asking

 

[sharkai]

Heaven's wheel isn't her weakest attack. It's her strongest, and she used her remaining power to use it.

Imperial red lightning is Laxus' strongest attack too, yes.

No. Natsu doesn't exhaust himself using a roar, even an FDK roar. If Erza is exhausting herself with an attack, then it's the equivalent of Natsu using demolition fist in Dragon Force.

no erza is not some unique mage. any rules that apply to natsu apply to erza too.
heaven wheel is one of the weakest. please tell me how many chacaters faced it, and how many were taken out by it.

Heaven's wheel is her strongest
i am guessing pugatory, armadura, benzikura, nakagami, ice and fire sword, belserion all are weaker than heaven wheel, lol i must have missed its hype
maybe just maybe, you know the unnamed punch from laxus in the very start of laxus vs erza was his strongest.

no erza exhausting herself with any attack is equivilant to natsu exhausting himself with any attack.

erza producing 200 swords in fighting festival is nowhere as damaging or as strong as erza benzikura from tenrou

 

[Axiomus]

no erza is not some unique mage. any rules that apply to natsu apply to erza too.
heaven wheel is one of the weakest. please tell me how many chacaters faced it, and how many were taken out by it.

Heaven's wheel is her strongest
i am guessing pugatory, armadura, benzikura, nakagami, ice and fire sword, belserion all are weaker than heaven wheel, lol i must have missed its hype
maybe just maybe, you know the unnamed punch from laxus in the very start of laxus vs erza was his strongest.

no erza exhausting herself with any attack is equivilant to natsu exhausting himself with any attack.

erza producing 200 swords in fighting festival is nowhere as damaging or as strong as erza benzikura from tenrou

Heaven's wheel is equivalent to how much effort Erza puts in it. It was what Erza chose to use against Thunder Palace and against Acnologia. It's one of her best armours if she goes all out with it. Her other armours are stronger if you're comparing individual weapons, but if she's spamming swords until she's exhausted then it's her best move.

Look, somewhere along the way Erza used up all her MP. If you don't think Heaven's Wheel is Erza's strongest move, then you tell me what attack took up most of Erza's MP. Truth be told, I don't really care. If you don't think heaven's wheel is as damaging as Erza's enchanted swords, then Laxus would be able to tank Erza's final hits with less damage than the slashes he already tanked. If that's the case, there's no way a single heaven's wheel attack would be able to bring down Laxus anyways.

 

[sharkai]

Heaven's wheel is equivalent to how much effort Erza puts in it. It was what Erza chose to use against Thunder Palace and against Acnologia. It's one of her best armours if she goes all out with it. Her other armours are stronger if you're comparing individual weapons, but if she's spamming swords until she's exhausted then it's her best move.

Look, somewhere along the way Erza used up all her MP. If you don't think Heaven's Wheel is Erza's strongest move, then you tell me what attack took up most of Erza's MP. Truth be told, I don't really care. If you don't think heaven's wheel is as damaging as Erza's enchanted swords, then Laxus would be able to tank Erza's final hits with less damage than the slashes he already tanked. If that's the case, there's no way a single heaven's wheel attack would be able to bring down Laxus anyways.

first laxus didnt tank anything. he only endured

every magical attack is equivalent to how much effort you put in it

nope, never has she used it in fight when going all out
no its not, then what the point stronger attacks


belserion sword took most of the mp, obviously
in the condition laxus was, he wouldnt been able to take that attack. its not like he is fresh

 

[Axiomus]

first laxus didnt tank anything. he only endured

every magical attack is equivalent to how much effort you put in it

nope, never has she used it in fight when going all out
no its not, then what the point stronger attacks


belserion sword took most of the mp, obviously
in the condition laxus was, he wouldnt been able to take that attack. its not like he is fresh

Fine. Endured. Doesn't change what I'm saying.

Hey, if you want to say Belserion sword is Erza's strongest attack....Well, it didn't even put down Kyria for good. It did less damage than Laxus' secret art. She also didn't use it against Laxus, so you've kind of missed the point of my question. What attack did Erza use against Laxus that used up most of her MP?

 

[sharkai]

Fine. Endured. Doesn't change what I'm saying.

Hey, if you want to say Belserion sword is Erza's strongest attack....Well, it didn't even put down Kyria for good. It did less damage than Laxus' secret art. She also didn't use it against Laxus, so you've kind of missed the point of my question. What attack did Erza use against Laxus that used up most of her MP?

i am talking about the sword she used after activation dragon seal. that was the weapon she used the most
against kirai it was some mixed fire attack with belserion sword

 

[Axiomus]

i am talking about the sword she used after activation dragon seal. that was the weapon she used the most
against kirai it was some mixed fire attack with belserion sword

That's her true benisakura. It did this to Laxus when it landed cleanly. If you believe these slashes are better than Heaven's Wheel, then Erza's final attack would have done less damage than this.

Spoiler

This is arguably less damage than the fire and ice swords, and more importantly Laxus would go on to trade a few dozen blows with it barehanded.

Spoiler

 

[sharkai]

That's her true benisakura. It did this to Laxus when it landed cleanly. If you believe these slashes are better than Heaven's Wheel, then Erza's final attack would have done less damage than this.

Spoiler

This is arguably less damage than the fire and ice swords, and more importantly Laxus would go on to trade a few dozen blows with it barehanded.

Spoiler

oo i thought they were the same


erza was holding back remember (i like how this is the most ignore statement in the manga )
laxus is always bare hand. what do you want him to hold

laxus is not fresh anymore, he aint taking that the same way


heaven wheel is just not her strong attack. that is a fact. did she put more effort here sure, but why have it jump over actual known stronger attacks with actual ko count

 

[Crimson Ice]

With Standard wizards Magic potency is based on magic power, however certain spells can increase the strength of the wizard regardless of magic power, and I never said he wasn’t injured, moron

You implied that just the heaven wheel brought him to his knees dumbass, this is how it started. You can’t even comprehend the implications of your own replies.

 

[WoWfan]

“Just”? You need to work on your interpretation skills because I said HW was able to bring a stronger than before Laxus to his knees, you act like that is all she used. imbecile