Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[sharkai]

This is the point were normal folk would agree to disagree, especially as you’ve clearly made the decision to look for flaws in Laxus. Luckily this is for folks who wanna spend they free time debating this verse.

Laxus at this point having the feats and hype to be the unquestionably second strongest mage in FT isn’t crazy. You just wrote a really long post to attempt to debunk the manga itself for portraying Laxus as superior to Erza the entire manga. He has consistently taken on opponents that have been compared him to Gildarts not the rest. Juvia didn’t even think they could take Laxus. Erza’s speech and her entire commentary during the fight was astonishment at Laxus’ overwhelming power. I’m not making that up, it’s her words. You think she closed the gap in Alvarez. Ok. I think the set up of her and Gildarts vs Irene and August was Erza’s proper introduction into that tier myself. Mashima is very purposeful with his narrative in the fights at least. Just like this one answers the question he stirred up with that pairing. I can easily see why the best we could hope for with Laxus is getting some kind of symbolic victory from Gildarts.

i actually have no problem. manga is going exactly the way i expect. while laxus fans were hoping erza to team up with someone to take laxus. before this, erza was considered a fodder without pof.

nope.
if it was, laxus would have stomped erza back in ff arc. but mishma didnt do that. erza portrayal went all the way to zero before the first time skip (of course erza portrayal is forgotten the fastest) . in tenrou arc, we saw all s class mages to be able to handle two non s class mages (and markarov still told them to hold back)

He has consistently taken on opponents that have been compared him to Gildarts not the rest.
this a false statement, jura is one such character, and that is all. hades statement i think isnt even cannon

ff arc showed laxus = erza (that is why laxus didnt stomp erza)
tenrou arc proved laxus>> utterly wrecked erza
gmg laxus=erza (one strongest against two second strongest, basically one august vs two lacardes, except these two lacardes actually had feats)
alverzec pof erza >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pof laxus

there is no other comparison. laxus fans like wank their favorite that is all, Note how @Axiomus is trying to use mystogan sneak sleep attack to justify laxus above erza. that is why you believe your silly stuffs

feats goes to erza
portrayal or hype is almost equal

 

[Hexbend]

Headcanon. Him using FoE has not been shown to be dangerous at all. He just doesn't use it because it requires massive amounts of energy and PoF which is not accessible at will. It's like his DF, he can't use it whenever he wants. Natsu can't defeat Zeref or Acno either. Natsu had PoF in that fight and had to be resurrected. Had it not been for Lucy he would've died. Natsu can't defeat Acno either. He needed the enitre continent and Acno to be paralyzed to win.

In a 1v1,FH Zeref and Acno would kill Natsu and Gildarts.

If Gildarts had max level PoF with the guild mark he could've beaten Zeref too. If he had the power of 7 DS and Acno was paralyzed he could've won too. You're leaving out a lot of details

Spoiler: Gildarts still on top

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Nothing suggest Gildarts with max lvl of “PoF” whatever that means is comparable to FoE Natsu....all Lucy did by resurrecting Natsu was bring him back to 100%. You act like it gave him a power boost or something lol

If anything if showed us that a fresh Natsu with his emotions (literally thought Makarov was dead & world hanged in the balance) at their peak is greater than FH Zeref, since a worn down DF Natsu was already capable of vaporizing FH Zeref.

 

[Ramen]

Nothing suggest Gildarts with max lvl of “PoF” whatever that means is comparable to FoE Natsu....all Lucy did by resurrecting Natsu was bring him back to 100%. You act like it gave him a power boost or something lol

If anything if showed us that a fresh Natsu with his emotions (literally thought Makarov was dead & world hanged in the balance) at their peak is greater than FH Zeref, since a worn down DF Natsu was already capable of vaporizing FH Zeref.

Really? Natsu did it why can't gildarts? It's just the power of the guild that anyone access. It gave him the ability to use FoE because without Lucy he would've died.

Gildarts could emulate that too. It's really not that hard to understand. lol

Give Gildarts the same tools Natsu did and poof, He does it too. If Gildarts used the same power Natsu did which isn;t even his, it's the guilds under the same PoF, you don't think he can do it too?

Like can ya'll not fathom that Natsu is not as strong as Gildarts?

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because one laxus attack didnt do more than a kayoka, azuma, or ajee

You're acting like his attacks didn't do anything. They did the same amount of damage and I'd argue Laxus did more since Erza went down first. Using that logic, Erza's attacks barely did anything too.

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hades statement i think isnt even cannon

Yes it is,

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gmg laxus=erza (one strongest against two second strongest, basically one august vs two lacardes, except these two lacardes actually had feats)

This makes no sense as Jura>>>Minerva and Kagura during the GMG.

 

[sharkai]

The other candidate was Mystogan, who was able to easily put to sleep Erza but not Laxus. Erza was never really hyped as the strongest after Gildarts.

you made that up. Mystogan was never compared to gildarts lol
again using sneak attack to justify stength (bet you dont think aria is marakrov though)
and has no proof whether laxus was awake or not. or did he use freed runes or not.

When has Erza oneshotted Natsu? Also if Erza has oneshotted Natsu and Happy was there to witness it, you just defeated your own argument. Your entire argument is that Happy is biased towards Laxus because he oneshotted Natsu. If Happy also witnessed Erza oneshotting Natsu, then he has absolutely no reason to be biased. If anything, he would favour Erza because they're closer. At the end of the day, Happy simply made the claim that Laxus was the strongest after Gildarts. That's portrayal.

erza has one shot natsu plenty of times in the manga.
no my argument is laxus would be ruthless against natsu and erza will not be
and marakrov made the statement erza can take laxus. that is also portrayal.

Makarov thought that Natsu had a chance if he went absolutely all out. He's probably right. Natsu had a very slim chance. Doesn't change the fact that Laxus still managed to beat the breaks off of both Gajeel and Natsu (categorically better than beating Aria btw), and then use Fairy Law (which would have oneshotted Jose). I'm not ignoring the fact that Aria wasn't using his full power. Aria used his full power, lost to Erza, and then Jose the Guildmaster said that Gajeel was the strongest man in Phantom Lord anyways. Gajeel is stronger than Aria, and when Natsu awakened his powers he beat Gajeel. Erza then said that Natsu was equal or stronger than her. You don't want to believe her? Fine. Doesn't change the fact it's what Erza thinks.

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Makarov thought that Natsu had a chance if he went absolutely all out. He's probably right.

that exactly what erza meant for herself as well

beat the breaks off of both Gajeel and Natsu (categorically better than beating Aria btw)

nope, feats above statements
blinded aria low diff natsu. full powered aria was one shot by wrecked erza. laxus couldnt one shot anyone

Natsu awakened his powers he beat Gajeel
what power did he awaken. are you sure its not just standard pof
please provide three or four more examples of character awakening their powers in fairy tail manga. so i know you are not making some unique situation for your point.
also i would like some proof of this awakened power. after gajeel lose, please provide statements form other characters that natsu jumped so much so suddenly just after the guild war

Your analogy is terrible. Natsu joined the guild because of Makarov, and he's the one going around picking fights with people. Laxus beat him once, and then pretty much just refuses to fight him because he thinks Natsu is too weak. In reality, Erza has probably bullied Natsu more than Laxus ever did. Laxus doesn't even bother with people. Also, if I stepped into a gym and the instructor isn't able to tap and humble me, I'd find a different gym. It's better to find a place that doesn't cuddle you.

not my point. natsu picks the fight, laxus would be ruthless, will happily break natsu spirit. erza actually acts like natsu sister and has a sweet spot for him

Makarov is able to block Jupiter canons with his forearms. You really think that Laxus is going die from it? Abyss Break is supposed to be even more powerful than Jupiter Canon, and it's powered by the MP of the Element 4. Adamantium armour was broken by Kagura without even unsheathing her sword. The MP that Laxus gave to Natsu made his roar several times stronger than Jupiter. It practically would have defeated Hades if not for his Grimoire Heart. I don't just think Laxus can survive Jupiter. I think if Laxus expelled all of his MP in a roar as powerful as LFD roar he'd downright overpower the Jupiter canon, destroy their walking guild, and defeat anyone weaker than Hades standing inside that guild. Which is everyone.

Spoiler: LFD roar

Spoiler: Jupiter

hahaha
this what is called wank
marakrov blocked jupiter because of his size. his forearm was completely blackened. and that forearm is bigger than laxus himself. after getting hit by it, laxus would have had to be drawn in completely different color

i like how you give everything to laxus
you dont know natsu boost from laxus lightening, and it definitely not linear.
jellal gave his mp to natsu. OS df natus was above Jellal without question
tenoru LFD natsu would extreme low diff tenrou laxus
hell tenrou LFD natsu would beat laxus plus natsu quite easily. that roar laxus cant generate, not even close

fariy law wont work on jose. jose mp is higher than laxus. agian using hax as measure of strength. scractching at the bottom of the barrel really


that just how strong kagura is
pre ts laxus all attacks are below kagura strike
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Orga didn't use his best attack on the MPF because he didn't want to waste power, and probably didn't see anyone except Jura as a real threat. He used enough power to outclass pretty much everyone but Jura and Cana. Against Jura he spent more time charging up his attack, and it blasted an entire building. But honestly, it wouldn't have mattered if Orga's attack was his strongest or not. Jura would have oneshotted Orga regardless, and Orga is still considered the most powerful wizard in Sabertooth.

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seriously, do u even hear yourself
this is your proof.
unbelievable
Why didnt orga wanted to waste his powers when one of the competitors was jura? of course no manga panel either. you present your argument without any proof or logic and take it as fact. well we know how laxus is considered a tier above erza now. because people like you produce things out of nowhere and present them as facts

OMG entire building OMG

jura already cleared it up, but again you believing selective statement is something i come to expect. jura saw mpf attack of ogra which is most likely his strongest move. minivera war god spell was above that. so according to jura orga isnt even the strongest. and jura only one shot him in sneak attack so doesnt really matter. unless of course you think aria> markarov

Anyways, Jura is stronger than Kagura and Minerva. You know how Jura was being portrayed as during GMG? Makarov thinks he'd be a good match for Gildarts. Even if he's not, Jura should give Bluenote at least as good of a fight as Bluenote did. Minerva would cry her eyeballs out if Gildarts so much as flexed on her lol. Her demonized form is weaker than Jiemma's demonized form, and Jiemma got shredded by Sting and Rogue.

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jura is above kagura or minerva
not both
this is good example of mishma trying to balance things out
laxus got the strongest
erza got the two second strongest

putting around them each other
kagura and jura were in the list of unapproachable
and everyone know gildarts can causlly one shot jura soooooo

i have no clue where jiemma stand. he seems to think he would kill mard after the twins

Maybe Erza held back at the beginning of the fight. She obviously went all out towards the end, she still exhausted her power. You're claiming she only lost because she held back. That's simply false. She went all out towards the end, and lost. Once again, your analogy is terrible. Say I fight someone, and I don't try very hard in the first few rounds and get punished because of it. Then I go all out in the later rounds, gas out, and collapse before my opponent does. If I said that I won the fight because I got punished for not trying in the first few rounds, my coach would disown me.

my claim is not that
my claim is kyria and holding back cancels each other out

 

[Ramen]

feats goes to erza
portrayal or hype is almost equal

This is just wrong. Like seriously?
This is staight wank. When has Erza ever had better feats?
Hype by many charterers has Laxus being better. It's always been Gildarts and Laxus and Erza WAS NOT included.

 

[sharkai]

You're acting like his attacks didn't do anything. They did the same amount of damage and I'd argue Laxus did more since Erza went down first. Using that logic, Erza's attacks barely did anything too.

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Yes it is,

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This makes no sense as Jura>>>Minerva and Kagura during the GMG.

sigh
we are comparing that attack vs entire fight

where is it, when did hades say. could someone please provide the panel
because all i remember laxus wailing on hades and when hades got little bit away he low diffed laxus. i dont remember any conversation

no no
jura > minerva
or jura > kagura

rest is fan made

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This is just wrong. Like seriously?
This is staight wank. When has Erza ever had better feats?
Hype by many charterers has Laxus being better. It's always been Gildarts and Laxus and Erza WAS NOT included.

phantom erza blocked the jupiter cannon, one shot full powered aria (who in weaker state was low diffing natsu) and fought jose for as long as natsu and gajeel fought. (>Laxus. jupiter cannon can do serious number on markarov titan form, laxus couldnt even one shot gajeel)

tenrou erza played with lissana and juvia till they gave up, fought numerous soldiers, exchange one or two blows with meredy, fought azuma (in a gaint tree), took two tera clemare (power of fairy tail mages including gildarts which was being released form the tree), was part of fairy tail team to attack hades
(>laxus and >gildarts stamina)

gmg erza took out 99 monsters plus one WS teir monster (all laxus got was a fodder guild)
gmg erza took out kagura and minerva. leg injury self inflicted (laxus>=erza)

tartaras erza got tortured, fought kayuko, fought demon minerva, fought enhanced with another demon power kayoka with no senses.(>laxus?)

alverzec erza with bisca fought ajeel with marin, then nienhart. fought human irene as good as gildarts fought august. over powered august irene top teir move injured dragon irene. blew rot aconologi out of the sky (>>gildarts>laxus)


portrayal
start series erza WS teir
heaven arc, erza= jellal
ff arc erza = laxus
OS arc Erza=Zero

laxus portrayal only got any mention in ff arc (standard enemy portrayal) and gmg

 

[Hexbend]

Really? Natsu did it why can't gildarts? It's just the power of the guild that anyone access. It gave him the ability to use FoE because without Lucy he would've died.

Gildarts could emulate that too. It's really not that hard to understand. lol

Give Gildarts the same tools Natsu did and poof, He does it too. If Gildarts used the same power Natsu did which isn;t even his, it's the guilds under the same PoF, you don't think he can do it too?

Like can ya'll not fathom that Natsu is not as strong as Gildarts?

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Because Gildarts has never shown to have that lvl of power before....like ever. Power of the guild? You mean getting an amp from your emotions...?
No ? You do realize FoE isn’t a form, but a magic that is passive, correct? It’s legit linked to his emotions & only Natsu posses it. It’s causes his flames to grow stronger the higher his emotions go.
Okay and?

Oh I didn’t know Gildarts had the ability to use FoE

Ay yes, let’s give Gildarts abilities he doesn’t have & assume we’ll get the same results.

FoE isn’t Natsu’s? That’s a joke right, because I ain’t gonna bother discussing this any further.

 

[Axiomus]

you made that up. Mystogan was never compared to gildarts lol
again using sneak attack to justify stength (bet you dont think aria is marakrov though)
and has no proof whether laxus was awake or not. or did he use freed runes or not.


erza has one shot natsu plenty of times in the manga.
no my argument is laxus would be ruthless against natsu and erza will not be
and marakrov made the statement erza can take laxus. that is also portrayal.


Makarov thought that Natsu had a chance if he went absolutely all out. He's probably right.

that exactly what erza meant for herself as well

beat the breaks off of both Gajeel and Natsu (categorically better than beating Aria btw)

nope, feats above statements
blinded aria low diff natsu. full powered aria was one shot by wrecked erza. laxus couldnt one shot anyone

Natsu awakened his powers he beat Gajeel
what power did he awaken. are you sure its not just standard pof
please provide three or four more examples of character awakening their powers in fairy tail manga. so i know you are not making some unique situation for your point.
also i would like some proof of this awakened power. after gajeel lose, please provide statements form other characters that natsu jumped so much so suddenly just after the guild war



not my point. natsu picks the fight, laxus would be ruthless, will happily break natsu spirit. erza actually acts like natsu sister and has a sweet spot for him


hahaha
this what is called wank
marakrov blocked jupiter because of his size. his forearm was completely blackened. and that forearm is bigger than laxus himself. after getting hit by it, laxus would have had to be drawn in completely different color

i like how you give everything to laxus
you dont know natsu boost from laxus lightening, and it definitely not linear.
jellal gave his mp to natsu. OS df natus was above Jellal without question
tenoru LFD natsu would extreme low diff tenrou laxus
hell tenrou LFD natsu would beat laxus plus natsu quite easily. that roar laxus cant generate, not even close

fariy law wont work on jose. jose mp is higher than laxus. agian using hax as measure of strength. scractching at the bottom of the barrel really


that just how strong kagura is
pre ts laxus all attacks are below kagura strike


seriously, do u even hear yourself
this is your proof.
unbelievable
Why didnt orga wanted to waste his powers when one of the competitors was jura? of course no manga panel either. you present your argument without any proof or logic and take it as fact. well we know how laxus is considered a tier above erza now. because people like you produce things out of nowhere and present them as facts

OMG entire building OMG

jura already cleared it up, but again you believing selective statement is something i come to expect. jura saw mpf attack of ogra which is most likely his strongest move. minivera war god spell was above that. so according to jura orga isnt even the strongest. and jura only one shot him in sneak attack so doesnt really matter. unless of course you think aria> markarov

jura is above kagura or minerva
not both
this is good example of mishma trying to balance things out
laxus got the strongest
erza got the two second strongest

putting around them each other
kagura and jura were in the list of unapproachable
and everyone know gildarts can causlly one shot jura soooooo

i have no clue where jiemma stand. he seems to think he would kill mard after the twins

my claim is not that
my claim is kyria and holding back cancels each other out

I made nothing up. Mystogan was considered a candidate for Fairy Tail's top man (everyone was excluding Gildarts because he was never around).

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It doesn't matter if Mystogan used a sneak attack, because he casted it on everyone. Include Makarov, who managed to resist it. In fact the first person to notice and feel it's effects was Makarov, and he told everyone "it's him". The fact that Laxus could resist it's effects where Erza can't puts him above Erza. Obviously Aria's magic would work on anyone if he actually sneaks attack you. Doesn't really change the fact that Laxus can resist Mystogan's sleep, whereas Erza cannot.

No reason at all Laxus would be ruthless against Natsu. In fact, no reason at all to believe Laxus even bothered going all out. He never even revealed that he was a dragon slayer until Harvest Festival. So you agree that Happy considered Laxus to be the strongest after Gildarts as portrayal? I mean if your argument is that Laxus is a big bully and Erza is a kind sister....wait, what's your point here? Why should I care about this?

Laxus would murk Jose. In fact, he would probably do it better than Makarov. He did better against Hades than Makarov.

Yes, my proof for Orga being the strongest wizard in Fairy Tail is an canon statement from the author himself to explain things. Do you have a problem with this?

Gajeel is stronger than Aria, and soloing both Gajeel and Natsu is categorically above beating Aria. The hidden power was whatever Erza was talking about. It may very well have been power of emotions. You want proof that Natsu got stronger? Well, Happy said that he's never seen Natsu like this before, and that this Natsu is really strong. Between this and every thing Erza is saying, it should be pretty obvious that Natsu got stronger.

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There's no wank here. The overwhelming majority of LFD Natsu's power was Laxus. Not only is Laxus naturally more than twice as powerful as Natsu, but Natsu was already exhausted and beaten by the time he ate the lightning. LFD roar is simply Natsu spending all Laxus magic power in one roar. If Laxus does the same with one of his roars, it would have more the less the same effect. LFD roar is probably comparable to Fairy Law in the amount of MP it consumes. How exactly does Natsu with Laxus' MP extreme low diff Laxus? Your hatred for Laxus is so high that you have his own magic power stomping him. Also, Hades > Makarov. The fact that LFD roar can damn near defeat Hades, whereas Makarov can tank Jupiter without losing his balance speaks volumes here. Hades with his chain can do more to Makarov than Jupiter.

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So let me get this straight. Not only do you think Jupiter canon will kill Laxus, but you also think that Fairy Law will do nothing against Jose? Say what now?

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I think this is my cue to stop. The hatred you have for Laxus is insurmountable.

 

[sharkai]

I made nothing up. Mystogan was considered a candidate for Fairy Tail's top man (everyone was excluding Gildarts because he was never around).

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It doesn't matter if it was sneak attack, because he casted it on everyone. Makarov noticed he was sleepy and said "it's him". Then everyone else noticed, but couldn't stop themselves from falling asleep. Erza even noticed she was sleepy. She couldn't resist it.

No reason at all Laxus would be ruthless against Natsu. In fact, no reason at all to believe Laxus even bothered going all out. He never even revealed that he was a dragon slayer until Harvest Festival.

Gajeel is stronger than Aria, and soloing both Gajeel and Natsu is categorically above beating Aria. The hidden power was whatever Erza was talking about. It may very well have been power of emotions. You want proof that Natsu got stronger? Well, Happy said that he's never seen Natsu like this before, and that this Natsu is really strong. Between this and every thing Erza is saying, it should be pretty obvious that Natsu got stronger.

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There's no wank here. The overwhelming majority of LFD Natsu's power was Laxus. Not only is Laxus naturally more than twice as powerful as Natsu, but Natsu was already exhausted and beaten by the time he ate the lightning. LFD roar is simply Natsu spending all Laxus magic power in one roar. If Laxus does the same with one of his roars, it would have more the less the same effect. LFD roar is probably comparable to Fairy Law in the amount of MP it consumes. How exactly does Natsu with Laxus' MP extreme low diff Laxus? Your hatred for Laxus is so high that you have his own magic power stomping him. Also, Hades > Makarov. The fact that LFD roar can damn near defeat Hades, whereas Makarov can tank Jupiter without even be slightly compromised speaks volumes. Hades with his chain can do more to Makarov than Jupiter.

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Laxus would murk Jose. In fact, he would probably do it better than Makarov. He did better against Hades than Makarov.

Yes, my proof for Orga being the strongest wizard in Fairy Tail is an canon statement from the author himself to explain things. Do you have a problem with this?

erza is not a man

irrelevant. dont use sneak attack or hax to power scale, again whether laxus resisted it or how he resisted is something we dont know

why wouldnt laxus be ruthless against natsu, to show natsu is weak as hell

featwise blinded aria> gajeel
portrayal gajeel>aria
fact wrecked erza one shot arai. why wouldnt fresh erza do the same to gajeel. something laxus couldnt do

You want proof that Natsu got stronger? Well, Happy said that he's never seen Natsu like this before, and that this Natsu is really strong. Between this and every thing Erza is saying, it should be pretty obvious that Natsu got stronger.

i want proof after this. not during when natsu is tapping into pof. you pretending to be this dense so you can wank laxus. if natsu jumped three tiers after natsu vs gajeel fight, did gray also jumped three tier after his fight with invel. of course not. you make exceptions for your situation

no every character get stronger with pof. they dont maintain that power. natsu right now cant hit zeref so hard that he cant regenerate nor can erza over power august top tier move. i have feeling you are annoying me now

except featwise
tenrou LFD natsu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tenrou laxus
laxus got low diffed by hades
tenrou LFD natsu was pretty much embarrassing hades
so lower your wank please

Laxus would murk Jose. In fact, he would probably do it better than Makarov. He did better against Hades than Makarov.
ah wank
do you also thing ff arc laxus would murk future rouge, maybe mard as well. of course you dont need feats lol. jose one shot elfman and gray in a second. laxus was having his face rearranged by natsu
but i guess feats doent matter to you. laxus said he strongest, that mean he is strongest

titan markorav durability >> laxus durability
what happened to marakrov arm will happen to entire laxus body

laxus fairy law wouldnt do anything jose. this will end in your opinion against mine. nothing more. you however are projecting that jose will be effected by laxus fairy law. featless laxus fairy law may i add


Yes, my proof for Orga being the strongest wizard in Fairy Tail is an canon statement from the author himself to explain things. Do you have a problem with this?

Wow this is embarrassing
i guess you also believe gmg sting is equal to gmg natsu judging by the stats from the same author

maybe you should stop using statements, just bring feats from laxus himself man.

 

[Axiomus]

erza is not a man

irrelevant. dont use sneak attack or hax to power scale, again whether laxus resisted it or how he resisted is something we dont know

why wouldnt laxus be ruthless against natsu, to show natsu is weak as hell

featwise blinded aria> gajeel
portrayal gajeel>aria
fact wrecked erza one shot arai. why wouldnt fresh erza do the same to gajeel. something laxus couldnt do

You want proof that Natsu got stronger? Well, Happy said that he's never seen Natsu like this before, and that this Natsu is really strong. Between this and every thing Erza is saying, it should be pretty obvious that Natsu got stronger.

i want proof after this. not during when natsu is tapping into pof. you pretending to be this dense so you can wank laxus. if natsu jumped three tiers after natsu vs gajeel fight, did gray also jumped three tier after his fight with invel. of course not. you make exceptions for your situation

no every character get stronger with pof. they dont maintain that power. natsu right now cant hit zeref so hard that he cant regenerate nor can erza over power august top tier move. i have feeling you are annoying me now

except featwise
tenrou LFD natsu >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tenrou laxus
laxus got low diffed by hades
tenrou LFD natsu was pretty much embarrassing hades
so lower your wank please

Laxus would murk Jose. In fact, he would probably do it better than Makarov. He did better against Hades than Makarov.
ah wank
do you also thing ff arc laxus would murk future rouge, maybe mard as well. of course you dont need feats lol. jose one shot elfman and gray in a second. laxus was having his face rearranged by natsu
but i guess feats doent matter to you. laxus said he strongest, that mean he is strongest

titan markorav durability >> laxus durability
what happened to marakrov arm will happen to entire laxus body


Yes, my proof for Orga being the strongest wizard in Fairy Tail is an canon statement from the author himself to explain things. Do you have a problem with this?

Wow this is embarrassing
i guess you also believe gmg sting is equal to gmg natsu judging by the stats from the same author

maybe you should stop using statements, just bring feats from laxus himself man.

How is it irrelevant? First of all, it's not really a sneak attack because everyone shouted it out. Second, it's not like Laxus had an advantage over Erza. A sneak attack is just an attack you did not anticipate.

Laxus didn't even use dragon slaying magic until Harvest Festival. How ruthless do you think he could have been to Natsu? This whole bully vs kind sister argument is nonsense anyways.

Featwise Gajeel > Aria too. You think Aria could have taken blasts from Dorma Anim? Which by the way, was stronger than Erza Knightwalker? Erza can oneshot Gajeel now? Anyways, Erza told Natsu to tap into his hidden power. He did, and Happy noted that he's never seen Happy like this and that he's strong. Then after Natsu beat Gajeel, Erza noted that Natsu was equal or stronger than her. How can you possibly not see that he got stronger against his fight with Gajeel? Yeah, maybe it was power of emotions. But so what? I mean what more proof do you need? Natsu used his first big attack in that fight.

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Also, yeah. Gray did jump several tiers against Invel due to his emotions as well. He thought Juvia died. It didn't really last though, because he no longer had those emotions when Juvia wasn't alive. If Gray ever taps into these emotions again. Natsu however taps into his emotions practically every time there's a big boss he has to fight.

Laxus literally can use the same move Makarov did to beat Jose, and did better against Hades than Makarov did. Gajeel noted it was the same attack that took out Jose, and Natsu noted it's similarities to Makarov's magic. Then after the fight Gajeel called Laxus a true monster and that he gets shivers thinking that Laxus could have been there during Phantom. And you think Laxus would die to Jupiter Canon and do nothing against Jose?
Future Rogue and Mard Geer would murk Jose as well. Much worse than Jose did, mind you. I don't see your point.

Natsu only beat Laxus after he wasted a huge amount of MP in casting Fairy Law. If Fairy Law had actually worked, he would have beaten everyone in Magnolia. If he didn't try to use Fairy Law, and instead tossed 2 heavenward halberds at Natsu while they were on the ground, it would have been over right there. Gajeel took like an entire chapter to recompose his strength, so he wouldn't have been able to block for Natsu.

You do realize that Natsu was using Laxus' magic power to fight Hades right? Laxus purposely gave Natsu his MP so that someone from the guild could beat Hades. He could have just fought Hades with his own MP and probably did just as well. And no, Laxus wasn't done after Hades hit him with the amerterasu spell. How do I know this? Because Laxus wasn't even done after Hades hit him with the spell that was supposed to kill him. Laxus took that hit with zero magic power, and then later got back up to punch Hades in face. He didn't have the guild mark either, so it's not like Tenrou Tree healed him. The fact you're suggesting Laxus' would get stomped by his own magic power would stomp Laxus is biased beyond belief. You keep accusing other people of wanking Laxus, but honestly....You've just shown how much you hate Laxus because people don't wank Erza. This is coming from a guy who argues in favor of Erza 90% of the time.


GMG stats is from the perspective of Jason. So it doesn't factor in stuff like second origin. That's why I factor Erza not having released second origin when I interpret the stats. Sting is indeed stronger than Natsu if we take away second origin.

 

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How is it irrelevant? First of all, it's not really a sneak attack because everyone shouted it out. Second, it's not like Laxus had an advantage over Erza. A sneak attack is just an attack you did not anticipate.

so, the attack has already happened.
laxus has freed and previous knowledge on mystogan
no preeof he actually didnt sleep

Laxus didn't even use dragon slaying magic until Harvest Festival. How ruthless do you think he could have been to Natsu? This whole bully vs kind sister argument is nonsense anyways.

laxus deosnt need ds to beat natsu ruthlessly. more than erza. erza would give natsu a chance

Featwise Gajeel > Aria too. You think Aria could have taken blasts from Dorma Anim? Which by the way, was stronger than Erza Knightwalker? Erza can oneshot Gajeel now? Anyways, Erza told Natsu to tap into his hidden power. He did, and Happy noted that he's never seen Happy like this and that he's strong. Then after Natsu beat Gajeel, Erza noted that Natsu was equal or stronger than her. How can you possibly not see that he got stronger against his fight with Gajeel? Yeah, maybe it was power of emotions. But so what? I mean what more proof do you need? Natsu used his first big attack in that fight.

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in phatom arc mate.
blinded aria feat>gajeel feat
thats a fact, obviously gajeel became good and got more feats
so what, means pof natsu. erza noted after natsu beat gajeel or before
and how does it work in ff arc where mystogan doesnt say natsu and erza when he says erza is on their level too
what about in OS arc when single racer was enough for natsu, gray (some angel help) and three other, while erza needed three in a sneak attack
i have no problem agreeing to gajeel>=aria
but gajeel >>aria
if wrecked erza can one shot aria, full fresh one can one shot gajeel

Also, yeah. Gray did jump several tiers against Invel due to his emotions as well. He thought Juvia died. It didn't really last though, because he no longer had those emotions when Juvia wasn't alive. Natsu however taps into his emotions practically every time there's a big boss he has to fight.

so basically erza is talking about pof natsu. pof natsu hung with laxus as well

Laxus fought Mystogan, Erza herself, stomped Natsu and Gray and used Fairy Law before Natsu beat him. If Fairy Law had actually worked, he would have beaten everyone. Laxus wasted a tonne of MP casting Fairy Law. If he had simply tossed 2 heavenward halberds at Natsu while they were on the ground, it would have been over right there.

i agree
laxus stalemated mystogan
laxus stalemated erza
and then beat up natsu and gajeel
this is why i dont buy your arguments so easily. if laxus is so above erza, why didnt mishma had laxus stomp erza, instead we had a pretty equal exchange

You do realize that Natsu was using Laxus' magic power to fight Hades right? He purposely gave Natsu his MP so that someone from the guild could beat Hades. He could have just fought Hades with his own MP and probably did just as well. And no, Laxus wasn't done after Hades hit him with the amerterasu spell. How do I know this? Because Laxus wasn't even done after Hades hit him with the spell that was supposed to kill him. Laxus took that hit with zero magic power, and then later got back up to punch Hades in face. He didn't have the guild mark either, so it's not like Tenrou Tree healed him. The fact you're suggesting Laxus' would get stomped by his own magic power would stomp Laxus is biased beyond belief. You keep accusing other people of wanking Laxus, but honestly....You've just shown how much you hate Laxus because people don't wank Erza. This is coming from a guy who argues in favor of Erza 90% of the time.

i already answered this
its not linear
OS df natsu>jella
tenrou lfd natsu>>>>tenrou laxus (this is a fact, shown by feats, laxus did nothing even near lfd natsu)
i dont know laxus was out or not. i do know laxus got 5 seconds of fame, after hades started fighting, laxus got low diffed. he fell on his knees after standing up. meaning he was pretty badly effected. he did nothing near tenrou lfd natsu. its not hate, its a fuking fact.
i can see you wanking him. you grasp at straws, selective statements. i mean things you will never accept for other, you accept for laxus
i mean project tenrou lfd natsu power to laxus. even though laxus has shown nothing like it
first i think you said laxus didnt even get three months training before gmg
then you claim SO is a bigger boost than three months (only evidence you had was natsu is stronger than gajeel)
and you now were claiming Ogra didnt use his strongest move in the MPF competition.
i mean they are all projection, they barely have any background in the manga
and look at how you try to say natsu=erza, just because of one statement. you wouldnt dream of giving this much weight to mystogan statement.

all of this, just to prove ff laxus>>ff erza

Laxus literally can use the same move Makarov did to beat Jose, and did better against Hades than Makarov did. Gajeel noted it was the same attack that took out Jose, and Natsu noted it's similarities to Makarov's magic. Then after the fight Gajeel called Laxus a true monster and that he gets shivers thinking that Laxus could have been there during Phantom. And you think Laxus would die to Jupiter Canon and do nothing against Jose?

Future Rogue and Mard Geer would murk Jose as well. Much worse than Jose did, mind you. I don't see your point.

first fl is a hax. so doesnt even come in my power scaling. i wonder why laxus didnt use it against jura.
two jose is strong, if fl only works on people with mp below the caster it might not work on jose (you dont know laxus mp>jose mp, you are making it up)

yes, its the same spell, and he is markrov grandspn. doesnt mean he have the same power

sigh. there is a reason why laxus did better against hades
in markrov fight, hades pulled all the moves, jupiter, shock effect of seeing his master and all the way to 100 formula
in laxus case, he just treated him like brat.

laxus lost the moment hades started to fight (look it up) and hades started to fight marakrov before even markrov did anything.
replacing markrov with laxus, laxus wouldnt have done anything
saying laxus performed better is like saying natsu performed better against gildarts compared to august

so. this not a good point. its not like jose needed to flex infront of gajeel
you cant compare jose with laxus. there is no direct comprison
you cant even fairy compare erza with jose because she was already wrecked
the point that you are using to boost laxus, can easily appy to erza as well. remove the jupoter cannon. can you even garentee jose would beat erza, no.

 

[Axiomus]

so, the attack has already happened.
laxus has freed and previous knowledge on mystogan
no preeof he actually didnt sleep

laxus deosnt need ds to beat natsu ruthlessly. more than erza. erza would give natsu a chance
in phatom arc mate.
blinded aria feat>gajeel feat
thats a fact, obviously gajeel became good and got more feats
so what, means pof natsu. erza noted after natsu beat gajeel or before
and how does it work in ff arc where mystogan doesnt say natsu and erza when he says erza is on their level too
what about in OS arc when single racer was enough for natsu, gray (some angel help) and three other, while erza needed three in a sneak attack
i have no problem agreeing to gajeel>=aria
but gajeel >>aria
if wrecked erza can one shot aria, full fresh one can one shot gajeelso basically erza is talking about pof natsu. pof natsu hung with laxus as well

i agree
laxus stalemated mystogan
laxus stalemated erza
and then beat up natsu and gajeel
this is why i dont buy your arguments so easily. if laxus is so above erza, why didnt mishma had laxus stomp erza, instead we had a pretty equal exchange

i already answered this
its not linear
OS df natsu>jella
tenrou lfd natsu>>>>tenrou laxus (this is a fact, shown by feats, laxus did nothing even near lfd natsu)
i dont know laxus was out or not. i do know laxus got 5 seconds of fame, after hades started fighting, laxus got low diffed. he fell on his knees after standing up. meaning he was pretty badly effected. he did nothing near tenrou lfd natsu. its not hate, its a fuking fact.
i can see you wanking him. you grasp at straws, selective statements. i mean things you will never accept for other, you accept for laxus
i mean project tenrou lfd natsu power to laxus. even though laxus has shown nothing like it
first i think you said laxus didnt even get three months training before gmg
then you claim SO is a bigger boost than three months (only evidence you had was natsu is stronger than gajeel)
and you now were claiming Ogra didnt use his strongest move in the MPF competition.
i mean they are all projection, they barely have any background in the manga
and look at how you try to say natsu=erza, just because of one statement. you wouldnt dream of giving this much weight to mystogan statement.

all of this, just to prove ff laxus>>ff erza

first fl is a hax. so doesnt even come in my power scaling. i wonder why laxus didnt use it against jura.
two jose is strong, if fl only works on people with mp below the caster it might not work on jose (you dont know laxus mp>jose mp, you are making it up)

yes, its the same spell, and he is markrov grandspn. doesnt mean he have the same power

sigh. there is a reason why laxus did better against hades
in markrov fight, hades pulled all the moves, jupiter, shock effect of seeing his master and all the way to 100 formula
in laxus case, he just treated him like brat.

laxus lost the moment hades started to fight (look it up) and hades started to fight marakrov before even markrov did anything.
replacing markrov with laxus, laxus wouldnt have done anything
saying laxus performed better is like saying natsu performed better against gildarts compared to august

so. this not a good point. its not like jose needed to flex infront of gajeel
you cant compare jose with laxus. there is no direct comprison
you cant even fairy compare erza with jose because she was already wrecked
the point that you are using to boost laxus, can easily appy to erza as well. remove the jupoter cannon. can you even garentee jose would beat erza, no.

• How does Freed help Laxus obtain information about Mystogan? Through research? Lmao. There are no books in the world that gives information about Mystogan. Freed wouldn't be able to resist Mystogan's magic either.
• The guild master literally said that Gajeel is the strongest. Mirajane did too when explaining the hierarchy of Phantom.
• Mystogan never says Erza was on their level. Laxus said that Erza is getting there, but right now she's too weak. Then Mystogan took issue with Laxus using the word weak to describe Erza. Natsu never came up in the conversation.
• Natsu got wrecked multiple times against Laxus. He was down for an entire chapter when Laxus was casting Fairy Law. All Laxus would have had to do to win is use heavenward halberd while they were still down, and he would have killed Natsu.
• I project Tenrou LFD Natsu's power to Laxus because it is Laxus' power. It is quite literally Laxus' power. Yes, DF Natsu was stronger than Jellal in Oracion Seis, but that was because Jellal had amnesia and literally forgot how to fight. The only reason Laxus didn't fight Hades himself was because he wanted someone from the guild to beat Hades. If he could still get back up to punch Hades with zero mp, he could have kept fighting with all his MP.
• I said that 3 months is nothing compared to obtaining an entire container of magical power, and it's not clear Laxus even trained. Other people went to the mountains and beaches for a training camp. It looks like Laxus just walked around town. You said that Natsu = Gajeel was proof that 3 months of training equals second origin. I just proved you wrong.
• Orga didn't use his strongest move in the MPF because the attack he used against Jura was likely his strongest move. Unless you think Orga would not use his strongest move against someone who nearly tripled his score on the MPF. But it doesn't matter anyways, because Jura would have oneshotted Orga no matter what move he did.
• I'm not saying that Natsu = Erza. Erza is saying Natsu = Erza. I'm saying that this is portrayal. Whether or not Natsu is actually equal to Erza is not the point. The point is that Erza believes it, so it's highly unlikely she's going to be oneshotting Natsu in a serious fight like you're claiming here. Especially not the POF amped Natsu that fought Gajeel.
• Fairy Law is only hax in the sense that it only targets people you believe in your heart as enemies. Against actual enemies, it acts as any light-based attack. Do I really need to explain why Laxus didn't try Fairy Law against Jura?
• Nobody is saying Laxus >> Erza. At least, I'm not. I'm saying in the beginning of the series Laxus > Erza. Then Erza obtained second origin, and it became Laxus >= Erza.

 

[sharkai]

• How does Freed help Laxus obtain information about Mystogan? Through research? Lmao. There are no books in the world that gives information about Mystogan. Freed wouldn't be able to resist Mystogan's magic either.

• laxus knew who mystogan was,he knew something about edolas, that is why he blew mystogan mask off. asking freed t set up runes negate his magic would be easy

  [*]The guild master literally said that Gajeel is the strongest. Mirajane did too when explaining the hierarchy of Phantom.

  featwise it was blinded aria who low diffed natsu

  [*]Mystogan never says Erza was on their level. Laxus said that Erza is getting there, but right now she's too weak. Then Mystogan took issue with Laxus using the word weak to describe Erza. Natsu never came up in the conversation.

  dont remember, but how did erza get into this discussion

  [*]Natsu got wrecked multiple times against Laxus. He was down for an entire chapter when Laxus was casting Fairy Law. All Laxus would have had to do to win is use heavenward halberd while they were still down, and he would have killed Natsu.

  agreed erza laxu and jellal can do this pre ts

  [*]I project Tenrou LFD Natsu's power to Laxus because it is Laxus' power. It is quite literally Laxus' power. Yes, DF Natsu was stronger than Jellal in Oracion Seis, but that was because Jellal had amnesia and literally forgot how to fight. The only reason Laxus didn't fight Hades himself was because he wanted someone from the guild to beat Hades. If he could still get back up to punch Hades with zero mp, he could have kept fighting with all his MP.

  did tenrou laxus had feats comprable to tenrou lfd natsu, please show these feats. otherwise the power up not exactly linear

  [*]I said that 3 months is nothing compared to obtaining an entire container of magical power, and it's not clear Laxus even trained. Other people went to the mountains and beaches for a training camp. It looks like Laxus just walked around town. You said that Natsu = Gajeel was proof that 3 months of training equals second origin. I just proved you wrong.

  no you didnt. it is clear laxus trained, unless you are claiming ff laxus = tartarose jellal. i brought up natsu and gajeel because i consider them around each other. if tenou natsu= tenrou gajeel then gmg thing will remain the same. rouge trash talk just says natsu>gajeel. would he had said the same in tenrou? there is nowhere in the manga stating SO>three months training

  [*]Orga didn't use his strongest move in the MPF because the attack he used against Jura was likely his strongest move. Unless you think Orga would not use his strongest move against someone who nearly tripled his score on the MPF. But it doesn't matter anyways, because Jura would have oneshotted Orga no matter what move he did.

  why did you make that claim, there is nothing in the manga supporting it. yes, jura sneak attack one shot ogra

  [*]I'm not saying that Natsu = Erza. Erza is saying Natsu = Erza. I'm saying that this is portrayal. Whether or not Natsu is actually equal to Erza is not the point. The point is that Erza believes it, so it's highly unlikely she's going to be oneshotting Natsu in a serious fight like you're claiming here. Especially not the POF amped Natsu that fought Gajeel.

  we already know erza can one shot aria. we have already erza one shot natsu in some panels. keep in mind erza believed her holding back was enough to put laxus down now. she is shocked that laxus can keep up with her, till she exhaust herself.
• how much weight are willing to give to a character statment who has admitted to being weak in the very next arc

  [*]Fairy Law is only hax in the sense that it only targets people you believe in your heart as enemies. Against actual enemies, it acts as any light-based attack. Do I really need to explain why Laxus didn't try Fairy Law against Jura?

  we dont know how it is hax. it come in the same catogory as fairy glitter, since cana is not stronger than jura means people shouldnt use fairy law to judge power levels.

  [*]Nobody is saying Laxus >> Erza. At least, I'm not. I'm saying in the beginning of the series Laxus > Erza. Then Erza obtained second origin, and it became Laxus >= Erza.

alot of people said, and you know it
in the beginning series laxus and erza stalemated in ff arc. why should i consider laxus> erza when mishma didnt show that

i have simple teir list
it is quite easy

1) markariv gildarts (WS 5 tier)
2) jellal, erza jura laxus (WS 10 tier)
3)natsu, gray,gajeel, freed

characters from teir above can basically mdi diff charcters in the below teir. same tier charcters will give each other high diff fight
SO or three months training didnt change anything, only erza jellal jura and laxus jumped to 5 WS tier rank, natsu gray around 10 WS

 

[Axiomus]

• laxus knew who mystogan was,he knew something about edolas, that is why he blew mystogan mask off. asking freed t set up runes negate his magic would be easyfeatwise it was blinded aria who low diffed natsu dont remember, but how did erza get into this discussionagreed erza laxu and jellal can do this pre ts did tenrou laxus had feats comprable to tenrou lfd natsu, please show these feats. otherwise the power up not exactly linearno you didnt. it is clear laxus trained, unless you are claiming ff laxus = tartarose jellal. i brought up natsu and gajeel because i consider them around each other. if tenou natsu= tenrou gajeel then gmg thing will remain the same. rouge trash talk just says natsu>gajeel. would he had said the same in tenrou? there is nowhere in the manga stating SO>three months trainingwhy did you make that claim, there is nothing in the manga supporting it. yes, jura sneak attack one shot ograwe already know erza can one shot aria. we have already erza one shot natsu in some panels. keep in mind erza believed her holding back was enough to put laxus down now. she is shocked that laxus can keep up with her, till she exhaust herself.
• how much weight are willing to give to a character statment who has admitted to being weak in the very next arcwe dont know how it is hax. it come in the same catogory as fairy glitter, since cana is not stronger than jura means people shouldnt use fairy law to judge power levels.

alot of people said, and you know it
in the beginning series laxus and erza stalemated in ff arc. why should i consider laxus> erza when mishma didnt show that

i have simple teir list
it is quite easy

1) markariv gildarts (WS 5 tier)
2) jellal, erza jura laxus (WS 10 tier)
3)natsu, gray,gajeel, freed

characters from teir above can basically mdi diff charcters in the below teir. same tier charcters will give each other high diff fight
SO or three months training didnt change anything

• He probably overheard Makarov talking to Mystogan or something. You think Laxus went through the trouble of asking Freed for help? Mystogan couldn't even get Laxus with his illusion magic when they were actually fighting. He wasn't about to put Laxus to sleep.
• Even after Aria took off his blindfold and went all out, Jose still considered Gajeel the strongest in his guild.
• Laxus was talking about how the people at the guild were saying that he and Mystogan are the strongest. Mystogan said that he didn't care, but he thinks Gildarts is the strongest. Then Laxus says it doesn't matter because Gildarts ain't coming back, and then he said Erza is getting there but she's too weak. Mystogan had an issue with Laxus describing Erza with the word weak.
• Fairy Law is pretty much as good as LFD roar. But it doesn't matter anyways, because we know LFD's power is Laxus'.
• I'm not claiming FF Laxus = Tartaros Jellal. Tartaros Jellal is stronger than GMG Laxus, and GMG Laxus is pretty much equal to Tenrou Laxus.
• There's no reason for Rogue to trash talk. Also, technically 2 different personalities both came to the same conclusion that Gajeel wasn't on the same level as Rogue. First was Rogue himself. Then the shadow beat up Gajeel, and agreed Rogue's prior assessment.
• Second origin is literally accessing another container worth's of magic. 3 months of training is nothing compared to that.
• Jura didn't sneak attack Orga. How do you sneak attacking someone from the front as they're launching their attack at you?
• Oneshotting Aria doesn't mean you can oneshot Natsu. Aria got oneshotted by a regular punch by Makarov. Not even with titan. He has poor durability.
  
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• Erza is not oneshotting Natsu in a serious fight, especially not Natsu with POF. Much less both Natsu and Gajeel with one attack, then proceed to use a spell on the level of Fairy Law.
• Cana's Fairy Glitter was borrowed during the GMG and she can't use it all the time, which is why we didn't generally consider it. If she's able to freely use it, then there's no reason we wouldn't consider it. Which is why now Cana's Fairy Glitter is perfectly legit. Fairy Law isn't borrowed to begin with.
• No it's:

Before the time skip
Laxus/Jellal/Makarov
Jura/Erza
Natsu/Gajeel/Gray

After the timeskip
Jellal
Laxus/Jura/Makarov/Erza (with second origin)
Erza (no second origin)/Natsu
Gajeel/Gray

Beating someone on your level warrants extreme diff. Beating someone 1 level lower warrants high diff. Beating someone 2 levels lower warrants mid-diff.

 

[Seven777]

because one laxus attack didnt do more than a kayoka, azuma, or ajeel


one fact you should keep in mind, my points are genrally ten time less ludicrous laxus fans.
remember laxus casually one shotting ajeel. and at the sane time ajeel giving a high diff to erza . lol

how does erza has more stamina than laxus. didnt laxus take out kiria and was last one standing against erza

Oh I don't know, I seem to remember you saying Kyoka was stronger than Mard Geer.
Laxus totes oneshots Ajeel though, nothing ludicrous about buying what the manga is selling.

Because the vast majority of her fights is her powering through her opponents with seemingly limitless stamina, it's pretty much been that way since Tenrou. Azuma, Kagura/Minerva, Kyoka, Ajeel, Neinhart, Eileen, Erza is basically indestructible. As for Laxus being the last one standing despite Kyria and having less stamina than Erza, because he has other stats that are better. It's not like similar tier fighters have the exact same stats, Erza's better than Laxus at some stuff, Laxus is better than her at some stuff, and when all that's put against each other whoever has the better distribution wins.

 

[Axiomus]

Look, I do see the merit of saying tha dual element modes are stronger than the sum of it's users. But Laxus is more than twice as powerful to begin with, and Natsu was exhausted by the time he ate Laxus' lightning. It's no exaggeration to say that the vast majority of LFD's power came from Laxus. There's no way LFD Natsu on Tenrou was going to stomp Laxus. Using the roar in and of itself is an exhaustive all out attack, and automatically entails an extreme difficulty ranking. Beating Laxus low-diff would be oneshotting him with regular punches.

Also, we saw what LFD roar can do when he no longer had Laxus' power. It may be weaker than when he used it on Tenrou, but this is still arguably more impressive than Jupiter. Laxus' all out attack should scale to higher than this at the very least.

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[sharkai]

• He probably overheard Makarov talking to Mystogan or something. You think Laxus went through the trouble of asking Freed for help? Mystogan couldn't even get Laxus with his illusion magic when they were actually fighting. He wasn't about to put Laxus to sleep.
• Even after Aria took off his blindfold and went all out, Jose still considered Gajeel the strongest in his guild.
• Laxus was talking about how the people at the guild were saying that he and Mystogan are the strongest. Mystogan said that he didn't care, but he thinks Gildarts is the strongest. Then Laxus says it doesn't matter because Gildarts ain't coming back, and then he said Erza is getting there but she's too weak. Mystogan had an issue with Laxus describing Erza with the word weak.
• Fairy Law is pretty much as good as LFD roar. But it doesn't matter anyways, because we know LFD's power is Laxus'.
• I'm not claiming FF Laxus = Tartaros Jellal. Tartaros Jellal is stronger than GMG Laxus, and GMG Laxus is pretty much equal to Tenrou Laxus.
• There's no reason for Rogue to trash talk. Also, technically 2 different personalities both came to the same conclusion that Gajeel wasn't on the same level as Rogue. First was Rogue himself. Then the shadow beat up Gajeel, and agreed Rogue's prior assessment.
• Second origin is literally accessing another container worth's of magic. 3 months of training is nothing compared to that.
• Jura didn't sneak attack Orga. How do you sneak attacking someone from the front as they're launching their attack at you?
• Oneshotting Aria doesn't mean you can oneshot Natsu. Aria got oneshotted by a regular punch by Makarov. Not even with titan. He has poor durability.
  
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• Erza is not oneshotting Natsu in a serious fight, especially not Natsu with POF. Much less both Natsu and Gajeel with one attack, then proceed to use a spell on the level of Fairy Law.
• Cana's Fairy Glitter was borrowed during the GMG and she can't use it all the time, which is why we didn't generally consider it. If she's able to freely use it, then there's no reason we wouldn't consider it. Which is why now Cana's Fairy Glitter is perfectly legit. Fairy Law isn't borrowed to begin with.
• No it's:

Before the time skip
Laxus/Jellal/Makarov
Jura/Erza
Natsu/Gajeel/Gray

After the timeskip
Jellal
Laxus/Jura/Makarov/Erza (with second origin)
Erza (no second origin)/Natsu
Gajeel/Gray

Beating someone on your level warrants extreme diff. Beating someone 1 level lower warrants high diff. Beating someone 2 levels lower warrants mid-diff.

yeah, thats not in character mystogan. overheard lol. freed just gave laxus runes,easy. fighting is different senario
so statement above feats so you think nienhart>laxus, ok

you mean to say laxus himself brought up erza? interesting

we dont know fairy law or fairy glitter is. its not clearly explained. you are making things up mate

if gmg laxus = tenrou laxus=ff laxus
ff laxus can give tartarose jellal a fight

trash talk is normal. i am not saying he is wrong. i am saying that is no way to judge SO>tyhree months training

we know nothing of SO. all we know some git three months training others got SO. all were relatively same. rest you are making things on your own

jura did sneak attack ogra. because ogra never wanted to fight. he asked to test jura strength by taking his attack head on

wrecked aria you mean. so laxus lying in the hospital bed uncousious has the same durablity as 100% laxus. this just nonsense now

erza can do natsu what laxus can. erza has feats to suggest she can one shot gajeel. laxus has no such feats



Before the time skip
Laxus/Jellal/Makarov
Jura/Erza
Natsu/Gajeel/Gray

After the timeskip
Jellal
Laxus/Jura/Makarov/Erza (with second origin)
Erza (no second origin)/Natsu
Gajeel/Gray

Beating someone on your level warrants extreme diff. Beating someone 1 level lower warrants high diff. Beating someone 2 levels lower warrants mid-diff.

your tier list seems to be pretty wrong, and self made
you added laxus and jellal to tier above themselves. most people create a tier out of nowhere to keep erza and laxus separate.

pre ts laxus was nowhere near markrov. has no feats to suggest it. nor is jellal
jellal and jura are around same level most likely 10 and 9 WS
laxus is around jellal, similiar performance in their respective arc
erza is around jellal and laxus portrayal wise, also why mishma interrupted their fights. basically meaning he himself hasnt decided who is stronger

erza without SO was considerablly above natsu

same tier high diff.
basically if ff arc laxus fought erza, and If he wins. happy would be enough to laxus after that
one tier below, mid diff. basically what erza can do to natsu or laxus can do to natsu
two tier difference low diff, what jose did to gray and elfmen

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Oh I don't know, I seem to remember you saying Kyoka was stronger than Mard Geer.
Laxus totes oneshots Ajeel though, nothing ludicrous about buying what the manga is selling.

Because the vast majority of her fights is her powering through her opponents with seemingly limitless stamina, it's pretty much been that way since Tenrou. Azuma, Kagura/Minerva, Kyoka, Ajeel, Neinhart, Eileen, Erza is basically indestructible. As for Laxus being the last one standing despite Kyria and having less stamina than Erza, because he has other stats that are better. It's not like similar tier fighters have the exact same stats, Erza's better than Laxus at some stuff, Laxus is better than her at some stuff, and when all that's put against each other whoever has the better distribution wins.

i told you why i believe.
hax
something mishma himself hasnt set any rules for. lol at laxus weak heart

if you give laxus durability and offense, it would be very hard for erza to do anything here

 

[Axiomus]

yeah, thats not in character mystogan. overheard lol. freed just gave laxus runes,easy. fighting is different senario
so statement above feats so you think nienhart>laxus, ok

you mean to say laxus himself brought up erza? interesting

we dont know fairy law or fairy glitter is. its not clearly explained. you are making things up mate

if gmg laxus = tenrou laxus=ff laxus
ff laxus can give tartarose jellal a fight

trash talk is normal. i am not saying he is wrong. i am saying that is no way to judge SO>tyhree months training

we know nothing of SO. all we know some git three months training others got SO. all were relatively same. rest you are making things on your own

jura did sneak attack ogra. because ogra never wanted to fight. he asked to test jura strength by taking his attack head on

wrecked aria you mean. so laxus lying in the hospital bed uncousious has the same durablity as 100% laxus. this just nonsense now

erza can do natsu what laxus can. erza has feats to suggest she can one shot gajeel. laxus has no such feats



Before the time skip
Laxus/Jellal/Makarov
Jura/Erza
Natsu/Gajeel/Gray

After the timeskip
Jellal
Laxus/Jura/Makarov/Erza (with second origin)
Erza (no second origin)/Natsu
Gajeel/Gray

Beating someone on your level warrants extreme diff. Beating someone 1 level lower warrants high diff. Beating someone 2 levels lower warrants mid-diff.

your tier list seems to be pretty wrong, and self made
you added laxus and jellal to tier above themselves. most people create a tier out of nowhere to keep erza and laxus separate.

pre ts laxus was nowhere near markrov. has no feats to suggest it. nor is jellal
jellal and jura are around same level most likely 10 and 9 WS
laxus is around jellal, similiar performance in their respective arc
erza is around jellal and laxus portrayal wise, also why mishma interrupted their fights. basically meaning he himself hasnt decided who is stronger

erza without SO was considerablly above natsu

same tier high diff.
basically if ff arc laxus fought erza, and If he wins. happy would be enough to laxus after that
one tier below, mid diff. basically what erza can do to natsu or laxus can do to natsu
two tier difference low diff, what jose did to gray and elfmen

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i told you why i believe.
hax
something mishma himself hasnt set any rules for. lol at laxus weak heart

if you give laxus durability and offense, it would be very hard for erza to do anything here

• You just made that up. Freed was never mentioned as being the reason why Laxus was able to resist Mystogan's sleep magic. Like I said, Mystogan can't even put an illusion on Laxus, let alone make him fall asleep.
• Laxus brought up Erza into the conversation, yes. Mystogan never said that Erza was on their level. He just had issues with her being weak. Natsu wasn't mentioned by Laxus (probably because he still thinks Natsu is still a weakling).
• We know exactly what Fairy Glitter and Law is. Maybe you don't, but I suspect it's because you ignore everything lol. Fairy Law is the modified version of Law that Mavis learned from Zeref. Fairy Glitter is a magic that can be transferred in the form of a tattoo. I'm not making anything up. Fans didn't consider Fairy Glitter as making Cana stronger than Jura during the GMG, because it was temporary and it disappeared after she used it. Now that Cana can freely use Fairy Glitter repeatedly, there's absolutely zero reason not to consider it when ranking her. Fairy Law doesn't need to be borrowed. You simply learn it, and use it when you want to.
• Sure, FF Laxus can give Jellal a fight. Same way Jura did. Jellal would still beat him with Sema the same way he was going to beat Jura.
• Rogue has fought both Natsu and Gajeel. He has nothing to gain by trash talking Gajeel, and neither does the shadow. They simply didn't think Gajeel was on the same level as Natsu.
• Dude, that's not a sneak attack. Orga actually managed to fire off his shot. Jura simply moved out of the path and then oneshotted him anyways.
• Aria had several chapters to recover, and could obviously still use his magic. Makarov oneshotted him without even going titan. He didn't even enlarge his hands. Actually, Jose actually shot Makarov and he just recovered from nearly dying. So it's not as if Aria was in better shape than Makarov. He simply had poor durability.
• Erza doesn't have feats suggesting she can oneshot Natsu or Gajeel. It's pretty obvious whose wanking who now.
• Laxus literally can use Makarov's best spell with Fairy Law, and did better against Hades than Makarov did. How is he not around Makarov's level?
• Jellal is a wizard saint just like Makarov. He's probably better than Jose because he can cast Abyss Break all by himself. It was Jellal's magic power that allowed Natsu to beat Zero, and Zero is stronger than Jose.
• Erza wasn't on Jelall's level in ToH either. Jellal fought Erza with his magic power divided so as to keep Seigrain's thought projection. Once he reunited with his thought projection and recovered his magic, he was outclassing Erza without even using meteor. Even after Erza was free from the bind snake, she could only watch as Jellal beat up Natsu. Altairis was pretty much going to kill Erza if not for Simon.
• Erza with second origin is not considerably above GMG/Tartaros arc Natsu. I'm actually lowballing Natsu here because I'm disregarding the fact he can enter Dragon Force at will now.

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Yeah, I think I've said everything I wanted to say here. If you truly believe stuff like Jupiter cannon being able to kill Laxus, or Erza being able to oneshot both Natsu and Gajeel and still have enough power left to cast a spell as powerful as Fairy Law, or Erza without second origin being stronger than Tartaros arc Natsu, then I'm not going to be able to change your mind. I'll let you have the last word after this post. Just gonna say this: There's no Laxus wank. Most people just read the manga, and take statements like this at face value because they aren't filled to the brim with hate for Laxus.

Anyways, pre-timeskip power levels don't really interest me that much. What matters is what's happening now, and well...I'm content with what we got during Laxus and Erza's most recent fight.

 

[Ramen]

Because Gildarts has never shown to have that lvl of power before....like ever. Power of the guild? You mean getting an amp from your emotions...?
No ? You do realize FoE isn’t a form, but a magic that is passive, correct? It’s legit linked to his emotions & only Natsu posses it. It’s causes his flames to grow stronger the higher his emotions go.
Okay and?

Oh I didn’t know Gildarts had the ability to use FoE

Ay yes, let’s give Gildarts abilities he doesn’t have & assume we’ll get the same results.

FoE isn’t Natsu’s? That’s a joke right, because I ain’t gonna bother discussing this any further.

Ok you don't wanna discuss then don't even @me lol. You're just wrong

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sigh
we are comparing that attack vs entire fight

where is it, when did hades say. could someone please provide the panel
because all i remember laxus wailing on hades and when hades got little bit away he low diffed laxus. i dont remember any conversation

no no
jura > minerva
or jura > kagura

rest is fan made

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phantom erza blocked the jupiter cannon, one shot full powered aria (who in weaker state was low diffing natsu) and fought jose for as long as natsu and gajeel fought. (>Laxus. jupiter cannon can do serious number on markarov titan form, laxus couldnt even one shot gajeel)

tenrou erza played with lissana and juvia till they gave up, fought numerous soldiers, exchange one or two blows with meredy, fought azuma (in a gaint tree), took two tera clemare (power of fairy tail mages including gildarts which was being released form the tree), was part of fairy tail team to attack hades
(>laxus and >gildarts stamina)

gmg erza took out 99 monsters plus one WS teir monster (all laxus got was a fodder guild)
gmg erza took out kagura and minerva. leg injury self inflicted (laxus>=erza)

tartaras erza got tortured, fought kayuko, fought demon minerva, fought enhanced with another demon power kayoka with no senses.(>laxus?)

alverzec erza with bisca fought ajeel with marin, then nienhart. fought human irene as good as gildarts fought august. over powered august irene top teir move injured dragon irene. blew rot aconologi out of the sky (>>gildarts>laxus)


portrayal
start series erza WS teir
heaven arc, erza= jellal
ff arc erza = laxus
OS arc Erza=Zero

laxus portrayal only got any mention in ff arc (standard enemy portrayal) and gmg

Laxus couldve soloed phantom. He did better in tenrou and the gmg. He eid way better in Tartaros too.

Laxus was WS tier too.
Jellal is stronger than Erza and you're saying Jellal=Laxus.
Eza couldn't touch Hades and Laxus did.

Lol

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Wtf is this argument about phantom. Erza can't solo phantom. Laxus could. He one shot their ace and Natsu at the same time. You think the element 4 can give him a fight?


@Axiomus no point in continuing this pointless debate. You know you're right just leave it alone.

 

[Axiomus]

There isn't any reason to assume it does tho. Certainly after his training post timeskip he would scale to this but not tenrou laxus. And it's not necessarily the amount of mp that makes up the power. It's the special property of fusing magic that makes it much stronger. The dragon slayers were all exhausted and their total amount of mp wasn't anywjere near acnologia's but because magic gets much stronger when fused natsu was able to one shot the guy after he received all their power. Same thing applies to LFD.

Btw it's not really fair to use the hades thing to compare strength. Laxus was completely fresh while everyone had been fighting all day. Erza had finished fighting azuma only a few chapters prior

Laxus already scales towards LFD because it's literally his magic power that Natsu consumed and use. There's no reason to assume that fusing magic makes it exponentially stronger. At least, not to the degree you're suggesting here. 7DS mode wasn't actually anywhere near Acnologia in power-level either by itself either. Natsu received a massive POF boost from hearing Lucy's voice, and Acnologia was actually getting ready to simply wipe out Natsu with his own attack before Fairy Sphere crippled him.

I'm not comparing Laxus to just Erza here though. I'm comparing Laxus to the entire team. Any amount of fatigue that Erza is taking on here is largely compensated by the fact that she has the entire team backing her up.