Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Hexbend]

@August_Lightning

I just wanted to correct you, since you didn’t know what FoE was

 

[Axiomus]

The series literally says that fusion magic produces an attack greater in power than if the attacks were just fired simultaneously. Laxus' power alone wasn't anywhere near what was displayed with LFD. And you can't prove that 7DS mode was below acno as the only attack that natsu hit him with was the attack that defeated him. If you wanna claim POF won the fight you need to show that without it the power wasn't enough which you can't

No a group of fatigued soldiers doesn't equal a fully fresh one. Because they weren't combining their power and just attacked him sequentially, if one of them didn't have enough power to hurt hades, 5 of them doesn't change that. Literally the only attack they did in that whole exchange that had any effect was the unison raid of natsu wendy and lucy, further showing that fusion magic is much stronger than their magic individually.

Where does it say that? Give me the quote. The Dragon Slayers were getting strength from hearing the voices of their loved ones while they were inside the rift of time. That's why they were able to break free of their crystals. Natsu started hearing Lucy's voice right before his final clash with Acnologia. Lucy was literally trying to connect to Natsu and send over all her emotion to him, and Natsu got it. The chapter is called "Hearts Connected" for this very reason. I mean, this is not an insignificant power-up. Erza herself actually used this exact same thing when she fought Azuma. She heard Jellal's voice, and that gave her to strength to stand again.

Spoiler: Dragon slayers getting strength from hearing voices of their loved ones

Spoiler: Natsu and Lucy connecting hearts

Spoiler: Erza hearing Jelall's voice

Acnologia on the other hand was getting ready to launch an attack of his own. He wasn't actually intimidated by them combining their powers. If I'm being completley honest here, Acnologia's attack here was probably going to tear Natsu in half. He simply never got a chance to actually fight seriously because Fairy Sphere crippled him. There was clearly a lot that went into beating Acnologia beyond Natsu getting a power-up from Wendy enchanting the DS magic into him. I'm not claiming POF won the fight btw. I'm claiming POF + Wendy enchanting all the dragon slaying into Natsu + Fairy Sphere crippling Acnologia won the fight. Because that's exactly how it happened. What you're essentially saying is that with prep-time, Wendy can simply make Natsu strong enough he can oneshot Acnologia. No caveats. Because honestly, it's not that hard for her to enchant people's magic into Natsu. Heck, she can probably do it for herself.

Anyways, LFD Natsu isn't stomping Laxus here. He might beat Laxus, but he's not low-diffing. LFD Natsu scales towards the same power-level as DF Natsu when he ate Etherion. That version of Natsu exhausted himself completely to beat Jellal.

Spoiler: LDF Natsu being compared to etherion

Spoiler: Natsu exhausted after beating Jellal

LFD roar is an exhaustive attack too. If Natsu uses it on Laxus, it automatically warrants an extreme difficulty fight. Unless you think LFD Natsu can beat Laxus with regular punches without exhausting himself, there's no way he's low diffing Laxus. Dragon Force and LFD doesn't bump Natsu several tiers above Jellal or Laxus. It bumps him to the top of their tier. It still takes up all of his magic power to beat them. This warrants a high-diff at least.

 

[Ramen]

@August_Lightning

I just wanted to correct you, since you didn’t know what FoE was

Bruh.....lmao

 

[Hexbend]

Bruh.....lmao

K

 

[Ramen]

Ok so let me say this for those who have trouble reading or comprehending simple things.

Gildarts is stronger than Natsu.

 

[AmitDS]

Every character at their best relies on POF, including Gray. If you want to exclude POF feats for Erza, then you also have to exclude POF feats for Gray. If we're being fair to both characters, Erza simply has much better feats than Gray. Her non-POF feats are Laxus tier, and her POF feats are honestly insane.

Armours don't really matter when it comes to Erza's durability because she tanks almost everything with her cherry blossom robes anyways, and those robes offer no defensive properties. Erza is just too much of a tank. I honestly believe Erza can be naked and still tank everything Skullion can throw at her. I don't buy that Skullion's attacks are injuring Erza more than this.

Spoiler

Erza was just getting serious after taking this attack. This attack is several times stronger than what Laxus used to beat Kyria, and Skullion ran away because he sensed that Kyria (and Wraith) was defeated. All of this is assuming Skullion can even hit Erza, because Wendy hard countered Skullion's ash. Erza has her wind god sword, which was able to do the same to Ajeel. She also reacts to Laxus' lightning body.

Well that's your opinion though I personally believe anyone who can low-mid diff Gray at full power can heavily injure Erza in her weaker armors. Her wind sword may be a good counter due to the type match up eg) Wendy's power working better on Skullion than Natsu's.

 

[Ramen]

Well that's your opinion though I personally believe anyone who can low-mid diff Gray at full power can heavily injure Erza in her weaker armors. Her wind sword may be a good counter due to the type match up eg) Wendy's power working better on Skullion than Natsu's.

By weaker armours are we talking about her regular elemental ones? If that's the case yea I'd agree that Skullion could give a proper fight but would eventually lose due to being countered.

 

[LaGOAT]

Exactly like people seems to forget that erza had help from the entire team idc if they wasn’t 100% plus Wendy gave them a boost and the power of tenrou tree. Unless ur guys believe that Laxus can solo a injured team natsu (which even myself doesn’t believe that) basically I don’t beleive that fresh erza can perform the same feat as laxus.

 

[Axiomus]

Well that's your opinion though I personally believe anyone who can low-mid diff Gray at full power can heavily injure Erza in her weaker armors. Her wind sword may be a good counter due to the type match up eg) Wendy's power working better on Skullion than Natsu's.

There's nothing to suggest Skullion can heavily injure Erza to the point she can't beat Gray even if she's naked.

 

[AmitDS]

By weaker armours are we talking about her regular elemental ones? If that's the case yea I'd agree that Skullion could give a proper fight but would eventually lose due to being countered.

Yes her regular ones outside of her Wind God Armor which would have an elemental advantage over Skullion. As far as we know her strongest armors are Amradura, Nakagami and her Clear Heart Clothing (with her benizakura blade and source of her asspulls).

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There's nothing to suggest Skullion can heavily injure Erza to the point she can't beat Gray even if she's naked.

There's nothing suggesting that Erza can fight Skullion in her weakest forms, get heavily injured and then take on a full powered Gray and win without POF at play. The gap between Gray and Erza isn't that wide and Skullion is stronger than Gray, Kyria and on par with BSS Mirajane so he would logically give her problems.

 

[Axiomus]

There's nothing suggesting that Erza can fight Skullion in her weakest forms, get heavily injured and then take on a full powered Gray and win without POF at play. The gap between Gray and Erza isn't that wide and Skullion is stronger than Gray, Kyria and on par with BSS Mirajane so he would logically give her problems.

Her robes are nothing but cloth, with no MP. Provides zero defensive bonuses.

Spoiler

Erza can tank a blow that shattered her lightning empress armour. And then tank a blow from red lightning that is much stronger. How does Skullion even get past her Wind God armour? Look at Erza's fight with Laxus. At what point could Gray have jumped in and replaced Laxus, and beaten Erza?

 

[Vis]

1. Mirajane had POF fighting Skullion, just putting it out there. She was attacking them at the beginning with the mindset that they had just killed Lisanna. Usage of POF is not a case you can use against Erza in this matter.
2. Erza has also always been massively ahead of Gray. The gap has never been close. Closest it has been was Tartaros which was undone a timeskip later.
   • At the beginning of the series, Erza blocked Jupiter, fought off Aria, then still had enough energy to face Jose. Gray struggled with Juvia. Erza also destroyed 200 of Laxus' lacrima with the Thunder Palace and Gray only took out 4.
   • x791, she fought Kagura and Minerva back to back (she wasn't even using Second Origin for most of this fight), then you have Gray who struggled with Rufus, then needed Unison Raid with Juvia to beat Lyon and Chelia.
   • x792, Erza intercepted an attack from Natsu and Gray without any defensive armors in Alvarez, with her bare fists, then fought off Irene. Gray, at his absolute strongest, beat Invel.
   • x793, Erza fought Laxus to a standstill, Gray beat his underlings. Then almost lost to Mirajane. Though granted, I don't think he went as serious against her as he does against usual foes.
3. Beating Skullion then beating Gray is not out of Erza's depth. She's done worse.
   • Erza stopped an onslaught from END and Gray while bloodlusted.
     She followed that up by contending with Irene in which she got beat up.
   • Followed up by Wendy Belserion shortly.
   • Got her bones broken by a dragon.
   • Pushed herself off the ground which launched her fast enough to intercept and destroy a falling meteor from space.
   • Knocked Irene out of her dragon form.
   • Headbutted her, actually did significant damage.
   • A couple of moments later, she was all good and well, fending off Acnologia.

After doing all this before receiving several more powerups in 100 Year Quest, I don't see why she won't be able to do all this. Scaling her off Mirajane has never really gone well given the obvious disparity between their performances in each arc.

 

[WoWfan]

And this is not even Mirajane at her peak when she fought Skullion as she does not go all out when there are people near by to see. Erza did not get a full fight with END or Darkness Gray to see how it fared, she was even injured by those attacks, Gray was stated to went all out against Mira.

 

[AmitDS]

Her robes are nothing but cloth, with no MP. Provides zero defensive bonuses.

Spoiler

Erza can tank a blow that shattered her lightning empress armour. And then tank a blow from red lightning that is much stronger. How does Skullion even get past her Wind God armour? Look at Erza's fight with Laxus. At what point could Gray have jumped in and replaced Laxus, and beaten Erza?

The Wind God armor would lead to a type advantage which Gray and possibly Mirajane would not have so if for some reason Wind God Armor does better than BSS vs Skullion that fails to prove that a heavily injured Erza would beat Gray at full power or that Skullion isn't strong enough to stalemate her weakest forms like he did BSS. In terms of power levels. Mirajane is clearly above Gray and Gajeel and Erza is below Laxus so it isn't out of the question to surmise that Erza and Mirajane are still on the same level as was indicated back in Tenrou and Tartaros when they performed similarly vs Azuma and were called the most reliable members after Laxus was take out and Gildarts was away.

Gray at full power can replace Laxus in his fight against Erza if it's at a moment where Erza is nearly done. This is because Erza and Laxus both got more and more injured and lost more and more power as the fight progressed so weaker characters like Gray could have stepped in at a late point and beat a heavily injured and weaker Erza. BSS Mirajane tied with someone who is beyond Madmole, Gray, Kyria and Gajeel. I'd say that solidifies her S class rank.

IMO it makes more sense for Mirajane and Erza to be on the same level under Laxus (as they are former rivals) and above Gray/Gajeel rather than there being some special tier in between Erza and Gray where Mirajane resides.

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1. Mirajane had POF fighting Skullion, just putting it out there. She was attacking them at the beginning with the mindset that they had just killed Lisanna. Usage of POF is not a case you can use against Erza in this matter.
2. Erza has also always been massively ahead of Gray. The gap has never been close. Closest it has been was Tartaros which was undone a timeskip later.
   • At the beginning of the series, Erza blocked Jupiter, fought off Aria, then still had enough energy to face Jose. Gray struggled with Juvia. Erza also destroyed 200 of Laxus' lacrima with the Thunder Palace and Gray only took out 4.
   • x791, she fought Kagura and Minerva back to back (she wasn't even using Second Origin for most of this fight), then you have Gray who struggled with Rufus, then needed Unison Raid with Juvia to beat Lyon and Chelia.
   • x792, Erza intercepted an attack from Natsu and Gray without any defensive armors in Alvarez, with her bare fists, then fought off Irene. Gray, at his absolute strongest, beat Invel.
   • x793, Erza fought Laxus to a standstill, Gray beat his underlings. Then almost lost to Mirajane. Though granted, I don't think he went as serious against her as he does against usual foes.
3. Beating Skullion then beating Gray is not out of Erza's depth. She's done worse.
   • Erza stopped an onslaught from END and Gray while bloodlusted.
     She followed that up by contending with Irene in which she got beat up.
   • Followed up by Wendy Belserion shortly.
   • Got her bones broken by a dragon.
   • Pushed herself off the ground which launched her fast enough to intercept and destroy a falling meteor from space.
   • Knocked Irene out of her dragon form.
   • Headbutted her, actually did significant damage.
   • A couple of moments later, she was all good and well, fending off Acnologia.

After doing all this before receiving several more powerups in 100 Year Quest, I don't see why she won't be able to do all this. Scaling her off Mirajane has never really gone well given the obvious disparity between their performances in each arc.

Erza and Mirajane had comparable feats in Tartaros and Tenrou when BSS was fighting Azuma equally and she only lost because she had to save her sister while Erza only won because everyone's magic chose her instead of Azuma. Even now after all of her magical asspull Erza couldn't beat Laxus even with help clearly showing that POF is switched on and off and power levels aren't always the same. Mirajane didn't have any POF vs Skullion as she knew he was fake and got angry but it wasn't to the extent that others have it. If it was POF as is discussed here we would have seen her rage and do ridiculous things like Erza, Gray, Natsu and she wouldn't have been calm and let Madmole and Skullion go.

 

[Vis]

Erza and Mirajane had comparable feats in Tartaros and Tenrou when BSS was fighting Azuma equally and she only lost because she had to save her sister while Erza only won because everyone's magic chose her instead of Azuma.

Tartaros, Erza pierced Kyouka through the cube, then fought her for awhile before Neo-Minerva stepped in, who she then beat with her bare fists. She then went ahead and fought Kyouka in her etherious form and was stripped of all her senes, then still won, possibly tied it if you wanna go that route.
Mirajane took on Sayla for a good amount of time, matching her books and such. When Sayla entered her strongest form, she completely and utterly destroyed Mirajane in like three hits. She needed Elfman to do her dirty work and hit her in her blind spot. Sayla is inferior to Kyouka.

Tenroujima, Erza fought and beat an improved version of Azuma then went ahead and fought Hades, whereas Mirajane herself conceded the fight against an inferior version of Azuma knowing she wasn't gonna win, which is something she admitted herself.

Neither one of these instances is comparable.

Even now after all of her magical asspull Erza couldn't beat Laxus even with help clearly showing that POF is switched on and off and power levels aren't always the same.

Erza couldn't beat Laxus because he's just superior, though the gap is obviously marginal at this point. I don't know why you're bringing this up; do you think Mirajane can beat Laxus? Because otherwise, this is an irrelevant point.

Mirajane didn't have any POF vs Skullion as she knew he was fake and got angry but it wasn't to the extent that others have it.

She did, it was literally put into writing on both the last page of chapter 35, and the beginning of chapter 36. She's just dumb when it comes to her siblings; even Wahl's robots sensed it.

What matters is, when she thought Lisanna died, she did attack and we saw how effective she was against Skullion and Madmole

If it was POF as is discussed here we would have seen her rage and do ridiculous things like Erza, Gray, Natsu and she wouldn't have been calm and let Madmole and Skullion go.

That's the thing, she doesn't because she can't.

 

[Aurelius]

Erza and Mirajane had comparable feats in Tartaros and Tenrou when BSS was fighting Azuma equally and she only lost because she had to save her sister

Someway somehow I knew this would lead to a Mira wank when The hypothetical Gray vs. Erza was brought up. I just can’t.

Mira fought equally with Azuma??? Mira went all out while Azusa casually guarded and tanked all her blows. She wasn’t going to beat him under any circumstance, watch that fight again. Also, shouldn’t this count as PoF, as her sister was about to die, but you said she would do ridiculous feats with it, lol. As @Vis says it doesn’t boost her like others.

Also, Mira clearly above Gajeel??? Where tf is this even coming from?? What even shows this?

 

[WoWfan]

She did not as Lisanna was around to see her fight, and she holds back when people fight, besides she was weakened at that point, she protected Lisanna in base form without dying from his explosion

 

[Axiomus]

The Wind God armor would lead to a type advantage which Gray and possibly Mirajane would not have so if for some reason Wind God Armor does better than BSS vs Skullion that fails to prove that a heavily injured Erza would beat Gray at full power or that Skullion isn't strong enough to stalemate her weakest forms like he did BSS. In terms of power levels. Mirajane is clearly above Gray and Gajeel and Erza is below Laxus so it isn't out of the question to surmise that Erza and Mirajane are still on the same level as was indicated back in Tenrou and Tartaros when they performed similarly vs Azuma and were called the most reliable members after Laxus was take out and Gildarts was away.

Gray at full power can replace Laxus in his fight against Erza if it's at a moment where Erza is nearly done. This is because Erza and Laxus both got more and more injured and lost more and more power as the fight progressed so weaker characters like Gray could have stepped in at a late point and beat a heavily injured and weaker Erza. BSS Mirajane tied with someone who is beyond Madmole, Gray, Kyria and Gajeel. I'd say that solidifies her S class rank.

IMO it makes more sense for Mirajane and Erza to be on the same level under Laxus (as they are former rivals) and above Gray/Gajeel rather than there being some special tier in between Erza and Gray where Mirajane resides.

Wind god armour isn't even one of Erza's better armours. She has better feats with her katanas, even without the dragon slaying seals.

Again I ask you: At what point could Gray have stepped in during the Laxus vs Erza's fight, and beat her Erza where Laxus failed? Imagine if Laxus didn't want to fight Erza anymore because they were too evenly matched. Pick a moment during their fight where they stop, and have Gray take over from there. Because right up until the final exchange, Erza used her heaven's wheel to match Laxus' red lightning. Gray would have to do better than that to actually beat Erza like he did Mirajane. He would have to overpower her Heaven's Wheel spam where Imperial Red Lightning failed. We're not talking about a balls to the walls enraged Gray btw.

 

[Ramen]

It's one thing to say Mira>Gray but Gajeel and Mira are equal 100%. Her having s class doesn't matter anymore since a lot of people are s class at this point.

 

[Aurelius]

It's one thing to say Mira>Gray but Gajeel and Mira are equal 100%. Her having s class doesn't matter anymore since a lot of people are s class at this point.

Technically Gajeel is an s-class wizard. So boom there you have it, he should be on the same tier as Erza, Laxus, and Gildarts since the Mira club say the same for Mira.