Not really, not really, and even if you had both those things it's still not as reasonable as listening to the words of a character in the manga, especially not when Laxus did just as August said to Ajeel's peer.
Nothing silly about it, stats aren't consistent with overall power. You can be weaker in some aspects, stronger in other. Look at the spriggans, better MP than Natsu, but they still get totally and utterly destroyed by him.
I didn't say casual Laxus is above Jellal, I simply see his nuke as a higher end attack.
that what i meant
laxus used his strongest move with added pof to kill wahl (wahl weakness might also have played here), this is not at all similiar to the causal nuke laxus threw at ajeel (but you have no problem making that comparison, that why i think the word wank when you start talking about laxus). i dont make this silly stuffs.
o so phantom gajeel might have had better durability than jose or gmg kagura might have had better durability than gmg jura. or springgans are some special characters who has this unique feature
but that is casual laxus move. jellal GC is no way causal. GC didnt kill anyone. the casual laxus nuke was supposed to kill ajeel
if
ajeel durability >=nienhart
laxus serious moves>>>laxus casual nuke>>>>>>>>>>>> Serious Jellal GC
that what i meant
laxus used his strongest move with added pof to kill wahl (wahl weakness might also have played here), this is not at all similiar to the causal nuke laxus threw at ajeel (but you have no problem making that comparison, that why i think the word wank when you start talking about laxus). i dont make this silly stuffs.
o so phantom gajeel might have had better durability than jose or gmg kagura might have had better durability than gmg jura. or springgans are some special characters who has this unique feature
but that is casual laxus move. jellal GC is no way causal. GC didnt kill anyone. the casual laxus nuke was supposed to kill ajeel
if
ajeel durability >=nienhart
laxus serious moves>>>laxus casual nuke>>>>>>>>>>>> Serious Jellal GC
Sure, you only say Kyoka>Mard, nothing silly about that lol. As for me having no trouble making the comparison, why would I when I have August's word behind it? Something that literally comes from the manga. The manga would have to go out of it's way to contradict that before I decided to call August a liar/idiot, did it do that? No. Instead it decided to give Laxus cancer and have him fight a spriggan immune to his magic and then have Laxus kill him the moment those factors didn't apply lol. August said Laxus could kill a spriggan, Laxus killed a spriggan, I feel pretty happy with calling that canon. If you don't think casual Laxus is stronger than serious Jellal, then that nuke is simply stronger than you give it credit for, Augusts words are still what they are, not to mention Ajeel crapping his pants at the sight of it.
Nope, because they haven't displayed better durability. Spriggans have a unique feature alright, they're all terrible.
Meh on GC, either Jellal didn't want him dead or it's a meh move, hasn't really done anything impressive since it was introduced. Natsu replicated it with two nameless punches. Is Laxus nuke better than two nameless punches from Natsu? Yeah, probably, or do you think Natsu's nameless punches are better than that nuke?
Mira used PoF against Skullion? Biggest laugh of the year.
Lol, Mira gets the opposite of PoF in her fights. PoF means you go pass your limits which is equivalent to BS most of the time and Mira doesn't get the luxury of BS fights nor did she surpass her limits when she only used BSS, her weakest soul.
Just a yes or no question: Do you think Mirajane held back when Lisanna was held hostage by Azuma, even though it may be reducing her chances of saving her life, simply because she said something vague about it literally almost 300 chapters ago?
Even though she said so herself that she would not be able to beat Azuma with her magical power?
I wouldn't go so far as to say Gajeel is on the same level as Mirajane (he's probably on Gray's level tbh), but Laxus and Erza constantly have OP showings. Mirajane needs OP showings of her own in order to be put on their level. Her showings this arc is pretty average. Playing around with Lucy, stalemating Skullion with no conclusion, and losing to Gray high diff is decent....But it's not amazing.
Why not? He has better feats and has a much better showing in 100yq. At most it's Mira>=Gajeel. If we go off feats then Gajeel is much stronger than Gray
Fairy sphere.......The continent.........Seal his body= He can't move......He is paralyzed= He cannot attack or defend
These are the main factors
If natsu could do that
Of course, there will be a clash between them
Like what happened with Zeref
In order to show that that power is superior
But Mashima only made him paralyzed and Natsu carried out the last attack
The result will not be the same if he can move
Seal = The power stops
This happened several times
Including the guild in tinroujima ( fairy sphere).....Their power froze until the seal ended
Merc.....aldron.....
Fairy sphere.......The continent.........Seal his body= He can't move......He is paralyzed= He cannot attack or defend
These are the main factors
If natsu could do that
Of course, there will be a clash between them
Like what happened with Zeref
In order to show that that power is superior
But Mashima only made him paralyzed and Natsu carried out the last attack
The result will not be the same if he can move
Seal = The power stops
This happened several times
Including the guild in tinroujima ( fairy sphere).....Their power froze until the seal ended
Merc.....aldron.....
Why not? He has better feats and has a much better showing in 100yq. At most it's Mira>=Gajeel. If we go off feats then Gajeel is much stronger than Gray
It was just Ignia's flames unless proven otherwise.
The demon seed is destroyed and the only way it's going to grow again is if Natsu doubts his humanity.
The END book is destroyed
The END's power that went into Lucy's body was destroyed by Gray.
That's 3 different ways END has been destroyed. Anybody that says it's END has some serious explaining to do. I'll elaborate more on what I think the black markings on Natsu's hands are in a later post. Dinner time.
Anyways, to go back this point from way earlier. To begin Ignia's has black markings on his body, which can be seen on his hands, horns, chest, and around his eyes. This Ignia's natural scale pattern (something to help differentiate him from Igneel). The black markings going up and down Natsu's arms more resembles these markings, as opposed to the way END was drawn with patches of scale-like things.
But actually, when you really look at it closely, even the markings on Natsu's arms don't seem to be fixed in place. They change as the fight progresses. This makes me think that the black markings on Natsu's hands just "go over" Natsu's dragonized hands. I actually think they're just flames. We know this because we can actually see patches of Natsu's hands under the black markings and flames, and they are dragonized. You'll also notice that the way Natsu's hands are drawn is actually much different from the way END's claws are drawn. END's claws are actually much larger in proportion to the rest of Natsu's body, and really the shape is just different.
So really the visual similarities is just the fact that Natsu's eyes are darkened out and the black flames. I think this is just the way Hiro Mashima draws Natsu when he wants to show us he's going berserk, and this doesn't necessarily translate into the physical chances that come along with it. The anime doesn't really emphasize END's flames as being black, and I suspect that it's because of notes that Hiro Mashima left for the studio. When we see Ignia flames Natsu in colour on the cover page, there's no real emphasis on his black markings either. One would imagine that if the 100YQ were ever to be animated, and we see Ignia's form in colour....it would simply look much different from what we saw of END.
Anyways, this shouldn't really be an issue in the first place. Because at the end of the day, Erza was able to block Natsu's all out attack with END's power. The same Erza got all of her bones shattered by a simple claw swipe from Irene. Mercphobia is several times stronger than Irene, and this version of Natsu can tank a tail swipe from him....and then go on to pick Mercphobia up by the tail, and slam him into a city. Natsu with Ignia's flames would stomp Erza plus the entire Milkovich and Fullbuster families combined.
Even if END's power was somehow mixed into it, it's probably not making up anywhere near the bulk majority of the power. Just by the way his hands are being drawn, I would argue he's got less demonic features than when Erza stopped him in the Alvarez. Black markings doesn't cover Natsu's body, so it doesn't explain how he can tank hits that would shatter every bone in Erza's body. So yeah, I would definitely attribute the physical strength of this form to dragon force, and not END's power. Then I would attribute the heat of this form to the fact that it's Ignia's flames, and not END's power either. If END's power contributed to this form at all, and it's entirely debatable if it even does, then it's role is probably just influencing Natsu to go berserk.
Anyways, to go back this point from way earlier. To begin Ignia's has black markings on his body, which can be seen on his hands, horns, chest, and around his eyes. This Ignia's natural scale pattern (something to help differentiate him from Igneel). The black markings going up and down Natsu's arms more resembles these markings, as opposed to the way END was drawn with patches of scale-like things.
But actually, when you really look at it closely, even the markings on Natsu's arms don't seem to be fixed in place. They change as the fight progresses. This makes me think that the black markings on Natsu's hands just "go over" Natsu's dragonized hands. I actually think they're just flames. We know this because we can actually see patches of Natsu's hands under the black markings and flames, and they are dragonized. You'll also notice that the way Natsu's hands are drawn is actually much different from the way END's claws are drawn. END's claws are actually much larger in proportion to the rest of Natsu's body, and really the shape is just different.
Anyways, this shouldn't really be an issue in the first place. Because at the end of the day, Erza was able to block Natsu's all out attack with END's power. The same Erza got all of her bones shattered by a simple claw swipe from Irene. Mercphobia is several times stronger than Irene, and this version of Natsu can tank a tail swipe from him....and then go on to pick Mercphobia up by the tail, and slam him into a city. Ignia-flame Natsu would beat stomp Erza plus the entire Milkovich and Fullbuster families combined.
Even if END's power was somehow mixed into it, it's probably not making up anywhere near the bulk majority of the power. Just by the way his hands are being drawn, I would argue he's got less demonic features than when Erza stopped him in the Alvarez. Black markings doesn't cover Natsu's body, so it doesn't explain how he can tank hits that would shatter every bone in Erza's body. So yeah, I would definitely attribute the physical strength of this form to dragon force, and not END's power. Then I would attribute the heat of this form to the fact that it's Ignia's flames, and not END's power either. If END's power contributed to this form at all, and it's entirely debatable if it even does, then it's role is probably just influencing Natsu to go berserk.
That's the only reason I think there's a chance too. But again, END's been destroyed like 4 different ways. Lucy rewrote the book so that Natsu would be how she remembers him to be. Then Gray destroyed the END powers in her body. Then Zeref dying destroyed the book. Then Natsu destroyed the demon seed, and the only way it's going to grow again is if he doubts his humanity. The cards are stacked against it.
It's funny how in most shounen series when the mc has a dangerous/dark power, there's a huge focus on controlling that power. But with Natsu nope, just a small glimpse. Natsu chose to be human over a dragon/demon. Logically, how can he even stand up to a DG with his own power?
It's funny how in most shounen series when the mc has a dangerous/dark power, there's a huge focus on controlling that power. But with Natsu nope, just a small glimpse. Natsu chose to be human over a dragon/demon. Logically, how can he even stand up to a DG with his own power?
Anyways, to go back this point from way earlier. To begin Ignia's has black markings on his body, which can be seen on his hands, horns, chest, and around his eyes. This Ignia's natural scale pattern (something to help differentiate him from Igneel). The black markings going up and down Natsu's arms more resembles these markings, as opposed to the way END was drawn with patches of scale-like things.
But actually, when you really look at it closely, even the markings on Natsu's arms don't seem to be fixed in place. They change as the fight progresses. This makes me think that the black markings on Natsu's hands just "go over" Natsu's dragonized hands. I actually think they're just flames. We know this because we can actually see patches of Natsu's hands under the black markings and flames, and they are dragonized. You'll also notice that the way Natsu's hands are drawn is actually much different from the way END's claws are drawn. END's claws are actually much larger in proportion to the rest of Natsu's body, and really the shape is just different.
Anyways, this shouldn't really be an issue in the first place. Because at the end of the day, Erza was able to block Natsu's all out attack with END's power. The same Erza got all of her bones shattered by a simple claw swipe from Irene. Mercphobia is several times stronger than Irene, and this version of Natsu can tank a tail swipe from him....and then go on to pick Mercphobia up by the tail, and slam him into a city. Natsu with Ignia's flames would stomp Erza plus the entire Milkovich and Fullbuster families combined. This version of Natsu could grab Deliora by the ankles and use it to Hulk smash the living daylights out of Gray and Ur while Lyon silently sobs in the corner. It doesn't scale towards END that we saw in Alvarez in the slightest.
Even if END's power was somehow mixed into it, it's probably not making up anywhere near the bulk majority of the power. Just by the way his hands are being drawn, I would argue he's got less demonic features than when Erza stopped him in the Alvarez. Black markings doesn't cover Natsu's body, so it doesn't explain how he can tank hits that would shatter every bone in Erza's body. So yeah, I would definitely attribute the physical strength of this form to dragon force, and not END's power. Then I would attribute the heat of this form to the fact that it's Ignia's flames, and not END's power either. If END's power contributed to this form at all, and it's entirely debatable if it even does, then it's role is probably just influencing Natsu to go berserk.
Fairy sphere.......The continent.........Seal his body= He can't move......He is paralyzed= He cannot attack or defend
These are the main factors
If natsu could do that
Of course, there will be a clash between them
Like what happened with Zeref
In order to show that that power is superior
But Mashima only made him paralyzed and Natsu carried out the last attack
The result will not be the same if he can move
Seal = The power stops
This happened several times
Including the guild in tinroujima ( fairy sphere).....Their power froze until the seal ended
Merc.....aldron.....
Not to mention, him disintegrating obviously has something to do with Fairy Sphere sealing him.
Nobody freaking disintegrates from being punched lmao. And Acnologia looked like he barely even had a scratch when he was disintegrating.
Sure, you only say Kyoka>Mard, nothing silly about that lol. As for me having no trouble making the comparison, why would I when I have August's word behind it? Something that literally comes from the manga. The manga would have to go out of it's way to contradict that before I decided to call August a liar/idiot, did it do that? No. Instead it decided to give Laxus cancer and have him fight a spriggan immune to his magic and then have Laxus kill him the moment those factors didn't apply lol. August said Laxus could kill a spriggan, Laxus killed a spriggan, I feel pretty happy with calling that canon. If you don't think casual Laxus is stronger than serious Jellal, then that nuke is simply stronger than you give it credit for, Augusts words are still what they are, not to mention Ajeel crapping his pants at the sight of it.
Nope, because they haven't displayed better durability. Spriggans have a unique feature alright, they're all terrible.
Meh on GC, either Jellal didn't want him dead or it's a meh move, hasn't really done anything impressive since it was introduced. Natsu replicated it with two nameless punches. Is Laxus nuke better than two nameless punches from Natsu? Yeah, probably, or do you think Natsu's nameless punches are better than that nuke?
keep bring up kayoka and mard. i will give you a better one.
provided brandish hax works as we understand it on aconologia, then brandish can one shot aconologia
o so all words in this manga are facts now.
auguts said that causal laxus can kill ajeel. you think august is proven right by laxus killing his companion with extreme pof and pis and cis
ajeel has a shocked expression, not crapping, that is light effect. ajeel confidence wasnt even hit. he was still pretending to be god in magnolia.
ah springgan are unique ok
i think its atleast 3rd strongest attack of jellal. natsu punches are alot better than that nuke
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