Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ramen]

POF boost from drinking Lucy's tears.

That sounds like sexual harassment shit

 

[Aurelius]

@August_Lightning I think that’s enough for off topic stuff, we’re sure to get banned, lol

 

[Verter]

Animus gave Natsu a huge hole which wouldn't have healed if Natsu didn't get a massive POF boost from drinking Lucy's tears. Jacob's knife couldn't even scratch his arms. They didn't severe any limbs. Kyria's blades could at least cut Natsu.

You say about same Kyria who with her blade roar was not able even to scratch Laxus and Jellal skin?

If you say about her, thank you very much for proving Natsu was nerfed.

 

[Axiomus]

You say about same Kyria who with her blade roar was not able even to scratch Laxus and Jellal skin?

If you say about her, thank you very much for proving Natsu was nerfed.

That just means Jellal and Laxus have better durability than base Natsu. It doesn't mean Natsu was nerfed.

 

[WoWfan]

Strong Wizards are stronger than average dragons, I am willing to say that Parent Dragons are close to the same level as strong wizards, but not that much, And GMG have proven they cannot even kill wounded or tired wizards. Paren Dragons have shown no feats that surpass that of average dragons. Irene still managed to pressure Acno and earning his acknowledgement

Natsu just got up, there was no healing involved, and if you think Lucy has healing tears, that is some BS, he was just that strong, he can fight even when, Natsu needed his heat to melt the knife so it does not cut him, that is the danger it imposes

 

[Axiomus]

Strong Wizards are stronger than average dragons, I am willing to say that Parent Dragons are close to the same level as strong wizards, but not that much, And GMG have proven they cannot even kill wounded or tired wizards. Paren Dragons have shown no feats that surpass that of average dragons. Irene still managed to pressure Acno and earning his acknowledgement

Natsu just got up, there was no healing involved, and if you think Lucy has healing tears, that is some BS, he was just that strong, he can fight even when, Natsu needed his heat to melt the knife so it does not cut him, that is the danger it imposes

Parent dragons would stomp the average Spriggans (like Jacob), and are much stronger than the average dragons. Parent dragons flew around the continent and defeated a weapon system that is capable of defeating every mage within Ishgal. They were so powerful that face could not completely drain their powers when it had already done so to all the mages in Ishgal. They achieved a feat which Makarov considered using Fairy Heart to accomplish.

The spawns from one GMG dragon killed half the people in Fairy Tail, and would have killed Erza too if Jellal hadn't saved him. Only reason the GMG dragons didn't kill anybody is because they never seriously attacked anybody. If they roared at someone the same way Motherglare's dragon spawns did, they would have obliterated them.

Natsu had a huge hole in him, that literally healed up after he got flashbacks from drinking Lucy's tears. I don't think Lucy had healing tears. I think those tears triggered some POF, and that ended up healing Natsu. The fact that Jacob's knife melted against Natsu's skin is already a fail. That makes it objectively worse than stuff like Gajeel's iron godsword, who can cut Natsu despite him having his defenses up. Gajeel's iron godsword did objectively worse than Animus impaling Natsu.

 

[WoWfan]

Flying around a continent doesn equate to light speed which even strong Wizards have shown to dodge, an dNatsu can even tag them. A device like face is hax bas, nothing really saying for it’s stats. even before the time rewind, there are only 4-5 people that died, even then it is not impressive when they were just at the wrong place at the wrong time And the dragons wee easily defeated then. Not impressive considering wizards are already weakened and injured, yet they did not kill a single one, while there are plenty of enemies that did more in the series. That roar is still weaker than the Spriggans, there was no evidence of healing as healing is exclusive to Sky Dragon Slayer Magic and Sky God Slayer Magic. PoF does not do that, only One Magic likely does, as it is established, they are just friends, not lovers. No, the fact he used heat means his regular resistance to blade attacks is not enough

 

[Axiomus]

Flying around a continent doesn equate to light speed which even strong Wizards have shown to dodge, an dNatsu can even tag them. A device like face is hax bas, nothing really saying for it’s stats. even before the time rewind, there are only 4-5 people that died, even then it is not impressive when they were just at the wrong place at the wrong time And the dragons wee easily defeated then. Not impressive considering wizards are already weakened and injured, yet they did not kill a single one, while there are plenty of enemies that did more in the series. That roar is still weaker than the Spriggans, there was no evidence of healing as healing is exclusive to Sky Dragon Slayer Magic and Sky God Slayer Magic. PoF does not do that, only One Magic likely does, as it is established, they are just friends, not lovers. No, the fact he used heat means his regular resistance to blade attacks is not enough

Lol....If you think Happy and Natsu can zip around the continent and wipe out all 3000 faces after it's already been activated, you clearly did not read the Tartaros arc. The entirety of Fairy Tail can't even destroy 3000 faces even if it wasn't activated. The fact that Makarov thinks it was necessary to use Fairy Heart to stop the face says it all. Face is a magic that negates other magic. It has magic power, and I've already shown you what that magic power looks like when it explodes (I'll show it again below). The parent dragons destroyed this magic power over 750 times each (3000 faces split among 4 dragons).

The roars from Motherglare's spawns poked holes everybody. Unless you think Motherglare herself is weaker than her own spawns, then her mountain sized roar would have pretty much obliterated anyone it hit. None of the GMG dragons were defeated except Motherglare, who only went down because Natsu had Atlas Flame's fire. They went back to their own times because the Eclipse was destroyed.

I guess you think Natsu can just walk off getting impaled. I guess he would have walked off getting impaled by Zeref even if Lucy didn't rewrite his book. This is my cue to stop.

 

[WoWfan]

I loved Tartaros Arc, but that flight is not even light speed, sub-relativistic at best, Natsu can still tag even Igneel who should have no problem dodging. Face explosion does not mean anything for actual stats, it was still destroyed. those spawns are weaker than even weakened Wizards like Gray and Lyon who can casually freeze them with ease. Those Dragons are not Even able to kill any weakened wizards. Natsu walked off being shot in the mouth, that is instant Death yet he did not, Animus is weaker than Zere so it is not comparable

 

[Ramen]

Answer the question dude. Can Natsu and happy cross Ishgar in seconds and destroy all those face bombs?

Natsu tagged Igneel who wasn't moving that fast either. He was fighting Acnologia.

 

[WoWfan]

Answer the question dude. Can Natsu and happy cross Ishgar in seconds and destroy all those face bombs?

Natsu tagged Igneel who wasn't moving that fast either. He was fighting Acnologia.

So you are saying that Ingeel is slower than regular Dragons? Good to know, Igneel had time to talk, he had time to dodge, plus he was not even held down by Acno

 

[grey matter]

Who can touch Wraith?

I was inspired by @grey matter's post in the Wraith vs Gray thread so I wonder what your guys full thoughts on who can potentially touch him, who can touch him by feats and who are big wigs that cannot touch him at all?

I'll copy my response from there:

I think, other than Natsu, Jellal was the only character who has used thought projection with enough skill for combat on screen. Laxus and the top councilmen have used it, but they were mere illusions or projections with no combat power.
Once anyone uses thought projection with combat power, I think they can defeat Wraith if they're on or above GOI/low Spriggan level, since Wraith seems to be around that level once someone can attack him.

I think these would be my candidates.

Sure:
Natsu, Zeref (hype of archmage), August, Jellal, Hades with GH (hype of archmage), Jacob (his magic can somehow hurt spirits)

Maybe:
Laxus (if he can use thought projection for combat), Wahl (he probably learns using his ability), all Dragons (assuming they know thought projection), Eileen (assuming she knows thought projection)

I don't see any other characters in the series who can defeat him.

 

[WoWfan]

Jacob hard counters Wraith

 

[Verter]

Sure:
Natsu, Zeref (hype of archmage), August, Jellal, Hades with GH (hype of archmage), Jacob (his magic can somehow hurt spirits)

Maybe:
Laxus (if he can use thought projection for combat), Wahl (he probably learns using his ability), all Dragons (assuming they know thought projection), Eileen (assuming she knows thought projection)

Irene was dragon slayer and now full dragon (you should count her in same pocket with dragon slayers and dragons).

I don't see any other characters in the series who can defeat him.

Logically, it should be everyone with good sense of flowing magic in the air. Zeref explained what's a magic, why some ppl are named as wizards and other as black wizards.

Usually good perception of magic have "classical" wizards, warlocks, druids etc.

In FT it should be all mages who know thought projection, enchanters. black wizards (because they "steal" ether), divine mages, spatial and time mages.

And ofc all archmages (because they should have good perception by default).

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P.S. If be true, without "wanking", Wraith affinity is mere casual, and don't impressive. Emotional ppl just overhyped it to cosmic level.

 

[Jko]

Anyone that has TP

Natsu had to project his soul tho so I think his Thought Projection is different from regular ones. Jellal's gave himself a clone and Laxus' was like projecting his mind. Don't think those are manipulating their souls like Natsu did.

What do you think about Takeover mages since they have to do with taking over souls? Do you think Fairy Glitter and Fairy Law are capable of hitting him? How about Dragons?

I'll copy my response from there:

I think, other than Natsu, Jellal was the only character who has used thought projection with enough skill for combat on screen. Laxus and the top councilmen have used it, but they were mere illusions or projections with no combat power.
Once anyone uses thought projection with combat power, I think they can defeat Wraith if they're on or above GOI/low Spriggan level, since Wraith seems to be around that level once someone can attack him.

I think these would be my candidates.

Sure:
Natsu, Zeref (hype of archmage), August, Jellal, Hades with GH (hype of archmage), Jacob (his magic can somehow hurt spirits)

Maybe:
Laxus (if he can use thought projection for combat), Wahl (he probably learns using his ability), all Dragons (assuming they know thought projection), Eileen (assuming she knows thought projection)

I don't see any other characters in the series who can defeat him.

What of other magics besides Thought Projection tho? Takeover magic since they have to do with taking souls? Fairy Law and Fairy Sphere have also effected Ethereal things like Jose ghost thingies and Mavis ethereal body so they could possibly hurt him as well. Spacial Mages? Erza's Nakagami? Magic cancelling abilities? Separation Enchantment was able to effect souls as well. Does mind hax work ghosts? (Lol).

I think we should define how powerful Wraith hax is, who can touch him, and who can he hurt. I honestly can't see him taking on anyone Skullion+ level either as he was running from basic punches from Natsu lol.

 

[Verter]

I think we should define how powerful Wraith hax is, who can touch him, and who can he hurt. I honestly can't see him taking on anyone Skullion+ level either as he was running from basic punches from Natsu lol.

Most powerful hax which is able to exist in universe -> time related one.
As we saw hax itself does not put their users on Kings' positions in FT.

So, need be more "easy" with such things like hax. Just my opinion.

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When Natsu got ability to hit Wraith, he as rarest trash was not be able to do anything against Natsu, and run like mouse.
So, Raw power > Hax.
Hax without power is meaningless.

 

[Ratrace]

Irene is not a traditional dragon like real dragons still, presides August already scales, and is even higher When compared to Guildarts.

again, those wizards are already beaten and worn down before the Dragons arrived, and since they can not one shot any of them, that is not impressive for the dragons at all. That does not stop regular spears from piercing dragon skin before, and Irene is already stronger than most dragons, they all do not scale to each other. Most humans already outstrip most dragons in the verse.


Well being compared to other villains meaning that they were already in a bad state of being when they fought?

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We might be talking about two different things because I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm talking about the performances of the villain. If you think the Spriggans did the best that's up to you

 

[grey matter]

Natsu had to project his soul tho so I think his Thought Projection is different from regular ones. Jellal's gave himself a clone and Laxus' was like projecting his mind. Don't think those are manipulating their souls like Natsu did.

What do you think about Takeover mages since they have to do with taking over souls? Do you think Fairy Glitter and Fairy Law are capable of hitting him? How about Dragons?

What of other magics besides Thought Projection tho? Takeover magic since they have to do with taking souls? Fairy Law and Fairy Sphere have also effected Ethereal things like Jose ghost thingies and Mavis ethereal body so they could possibly hurt him as well. Spacial Mages? Erza's Nakagami? Magic cancelling abilities? Separation Enchantment was able to effect souls as well. Does mind hax work ghosts? (Lol).

I think we should define how powerful Wraith hax is, who can touch him, and who can he hurt. I honestly can't see him taking on anyone Skullion+ level either as he was running from basic punches from Natsu lol.

There are three criteria, IMO, which must be satisfied for defeating Wraith:
- be able to see him (DS - sure, skilled in though projection - most likely, since they're familiar with astral magics)
- be able to damage him (though projection, others spells I list below, and maybe something else)
- if above two satisfied, be on or above GOI/low Spriggan level

Yeah, there has to exist magic other than though projection which can damage him.

Jacob's magic, as I mentioned, is one of them.

Now that I think about it, other ones would be Franmalth's soul absorption (isn't this the soul takeover? ), and Mard's memento Mori. Franmath himself isn't powerful enough to defeat Wraith, but Bradman, who has Franmath's powers, can.
Mard is powerful enough to stomp Wraith, and IIRC he has used though projection before, so he (and by extension Bradman) can see Wraith.

Yeah, FL is possibly one as well. But what it did was dispel Jose's spells. I don't think we can use that to know if actual souls can be damaged by it. Could be, but not sure.
Nakagami cancels magic or something, right? Wraith isn't a magic, so I don't see how Nakagami can help here.
Mest's hax? Probably no lol. How can it affect souls? I'll assume it can't until we see Mest proving otherwise possibly in the future.

I don't see how Skullion can do jack to Wraith tho. From feats, Wraith stomp him IMO. He was running from Natsu because Natsu could hit him, how can Skullion even touch him?

 

[Ramen]

So you are saying that Ingeel is slower than regular Dragons? Good to know, Igneel had time to talk, he had time to dodge, plus he was not even held down by Acno

Is that what I said?

Can you even come up with a proper argument as to why any of the parent dragons don't utterly slap the spriggans? Like they will just blitz

It's a yes or no question. Can Natsu cross Ishgar in seconds? Can any FT member. Can Jacob?

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Natsu had to project his soul tho so I think his Thought Projection is different from regular ones. Jellal's gave himself a clone and Laxus' was like projecting his mind. Don't think those are manipulating their souls like Natsu did.

What do you think about Takeover mages since they have to do with taking over souls? Do you think Fairy Glitter and Fairy Law are capable of hitting him? How about Dragons?

Laxus can see him regardless and Jellal can use actual TP.

Unless they are a DS then no. Dragons probably because they are dragons and Wraith is a DS.

FL and FG I don't know tbh

 

[grey matter]

Irene was dragon slayer and now full dragon (you should count her in same pocket with dragon slayers and dragons).



Logically, it should be everyone with good sense of flowing magic in the air. Zeref explained what's a magic, why some ppl are named as wizards and other as black wizards.

Usually good perception of magic have "classical" wizards, warlocks, druids etc.

In FT it should be all mages who know thought projection, enchanters. black wizards (because they "steal" ether), divine mages, spatial and time mages.

And ofc all archmages (because they should have good perception by default).

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 15, 2020, Original Post Date: Mar 15, 2020 ---

P.S. If be true, without "wanking", Wraith affinity is mere casual, and don't impressive. Emotional ppl just overhyped it to cosmic level.

I mean human (enchanter) Eileen. Dragon Eileen is within Dragons

It could be that they can see Wraith (I'm really doubtful, but I can give the benefit. It does kinda make sense)

But even if they can see, there aren't many magic that can affect spells.

The only way as of now, that's confirmed, is through though projection and Jacob's magic. And, I guess we can add soul absorption and Memento Mori to it (and maybe FL). Which other spell do you think can affect souls?