Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

I've shown you how Natsu's attack against Rogue clearly expanded to engulf Motherglare in the anime. That's the way the animators saw the scene, and that's the way I see it. Atlas Flame never made an attack after boosting Natsu.

All that's said about dragon scales is that they are super hard. There is absolutely no mention of a special resistance to magic. That's something you made up. If you truly believe Zirconis' real element is the ability to make clothes disappear, then I guess he's immune to magic that makes clothes disappear. Doesn't change the fact that if the dragons are resistant to anything, it's only their element.

Beginning of the series Erza would blast a hole through Dorma Anim's chest the same way Natsu did. So would GMG Cobra. So would any character that has an attack stronger than Natsu's sword horn boosted by Wendy's roar. By the way, they used the exact same combo on Hades. Only instead of just Wendy's roar, it was an unision raid between Lucy and Wendy that boosted Natsu. Droma Anim actually has pretty poor durability.

Natsu was boosted by Atlas Flame's power, and this outweighs any injuries he received prior. Proof of this is in the fact that Rogue can no longer defeat Natsu with WSD Silk in their rematch. Also, Natsu was not the only dragon slayer fresh. Sting was unharmed during the GMG and had full power. Sting was arguably stronger than Edolas-arc Natsu. Sting could not do anything against his dragon too.

I'll end with this: Dorma Anim isn't an actual dragon and doesn't have dragon scales. It uses wizard canceller, which is a different material altogether. Wizard canceller makes you immune to magic, but its nowhere near as durable as actual dragon scales. When dragon scales fall off a living dragon and loses its power, it becomes weak enough to knit a scarf out of. Droma Anim is a lifeless machine. Any dragon scales you use to decorate its shell would have simply lost it's power long ago.

 

[Ramen]

Ur a goat

I am

 

[WoWfan]

Atlas just charged up his attack before launching Natsu at Rogue which he then attacked Motherglare with, besides the angle is off for natsu to attack both as he just aimed for Rogue.

yes because their tougthness is based on their resistance to magic since all they did was use magic against it.

you have no proof that Erza would because she is not a dragon slayer and Dorma Anim is a dragon and thus have no power to defeat it like DS would. And stated only DS can defeat Dorma Anim

that did not stop Natsu who was injured to near death prior to injure Motherglare worse than the minusc damage that Fresh Natsu caused to Dorma Anim.

Dorma Anim is a dragon By the universal equivalence as it follows the same weakness as other dragons would, also Dorma Anim is not like Acno because he is immune to DSM as well.

 

[Axiomus]

There was no attack from Atlas. He merely launched Natsu. The anime shows clearly how Natsu's attack expanded to engulf Motherglare, and there's
no problem with the angle.

Again, not a single statement has ever been made about dragons possessing resistance to magic. That's something you're making up.

Obviously, Erza can't damage Droma Anim if she doesn't have dragon slaying magic. But if she did, she would blast a hole through Droma Anim just as easily as Natsu did. Droma Anim has poor durability compared to an actual dragon.

The power-up from Atlas Flame outweighs the injuries he received from Rogue. Natsu with Atlas Flame's power is simply stronger than Natsu when he beat Droma Anim, even accounting for the injuries he sustained from Rogue earlier.

Droma Anim is simply not a dragon. It's a machine. It doesn't have dragon scales.

 

[Ramen]

Droma Anim is simply not a dragon. It's a machine. It doesn't have dragon scales.

It's a machine dragon.

 

[Axiomus]

It's a machine dragon.

It's a machine that looks like a dragon.

 

[Ramen]

It's a machine that looks like a dragon.

It's a dragon that takes the properties of a mechanical species which means it has machine DSM.

 

[Axiomus]

It's a dragon that takes the properties of a mechanical species which means it has machine DSM.

It doesn't have DSM. We know this 2 ways. First, when Mystogan reflected Droma Anim's attack back at it, it did no damage. This was a stronger attack than Wendy's roar, and did no damage.

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Second, it attacks with missiles. On those missiles, someone actually took the time to write the Japanese characters 竜騎 on them. Meaning a dude must have written those words on the missiles, and then placed them within Droma Anim.

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Also, Gajeel munched on its tail and didn't become a 5th gen.

 

[Ramen]

It doesn't have DSM. We know this 2 ways. First, when Mystogan reflected Droma Anim's attack back at it, it did no damage. This was a stronger attack than Wendy's roar, and did no damage.

Spoiler

Second, it attacks with missiles. On those missiles, someone actually took the time to write the Japanese characters 竜騎 on them. Meaning a dude must have written those words on the missiles, and then placed them within Droma Anim.

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Also, Gajeel munched on its tail and didn't become a 5th gen.

Shame on you for actually thinking I was serious and actually writing a full response. Shame.... I expect better from someone who won best debater.

 

[Axiomus]

Shame on you for actually thinking I was serious and actually writing a full response. Shame.... I expect better from someone who won best debater.

But ur a goat.

 

[Ramen]

But ur a goat.

A funny one. But instead of responding to my bs here, spend time with your family.

 

[Axiomus]

A funny one. But instead of responding to my bs here, spend time with your family.

No joke. My family is stuck overseas right now. XD

 

[Ramen]

No joke. My family is stuck overseas right now. XD

Damn......hope all is well.

For the sake of my boredom, you can't deny that FH Zeref is universal and that Natsu and Acnologia scale.

 

[WoWfan]

it was an attack from Atlas, he clearly just launched NAtsu at Rogue while he attacked Motherglare, if his attack did explained outward, then Motherglare would fly off in the other direction, not to where the gate is. Their resistance is based on their scales which every attack they received was magic then. Dragon's don't have that impressive durability as it has resistance to magic. the power up is irrelevant as near dead natsu damaged a Dragon easily, while a near fresh Natsu did miniscule damage to Dorma Anim. Dorma Anim is a dragon equivalence in that world, simple as that.

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guess what, just like with Gajeel, Natsu can munch on a fire dragon too, another thing that they have that are similar.

Atlas has no scales as it's body is fire, just like how a rock dragon has no scale as it is rock, and Motherglare has no scales as it is just Adamantium skin

 

[Axiomus]

it was an attack from Atlas, he clearly just launched NAtsu at Rogue while he attacked Motherglare, if his attack did explained outward, then Motherglare would fly off in the other direction, not to where the gate is. Their resistance is based on their scales which every attack they received was magic then. Dragon's don't have that impressive durability as it has resistance to magic. the power up is irrelevant as near dead natsu damaged a Dragon easily, while a near fresh Natsu did miniscule damage to Dorma Anim. Dorma Anim is a dragon equivalence in that world, simple as that.

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guess what, just like with Gajeel, Natsu can munch on a fire dragon too, another thing that they have that are similar.

Atlas has no scales as it's body is fire, just like how a rock dragon has no scale as it is rock, and Motherglare has no scales as it is just Adamantium skin

He launched Natsu at Motherglare, and the attack took both Rogue and Motherglare out. There was no second attack from Atlas.

Again, all that's ever said about dragon scales is that they were hard. Not that they can negate magic. Droma Anim had wizard canceller covering his armor, which makes him immune to magic. But his actual durability once you get past that was poor. Gajeel's club skewered Dorma Anim's foot, and Natsu blew a hole in Dorma Anim's chest. Natsu had a power-up against Motherglare, and still never did anywhere close the type of damage to Motherglare that he inflicted on Droma Anim.

Natsu didn't eat Atlas Flame's actual dragon body. He ate the fire coming off of Atlas Flames. Atlas Flame does have dragon scales. He can just turn intangible when he needs to. When Makarov punched him, it made solid contact. Motherglare has dragon scales too. He has dragon scales on top of his adamantium skin.

Damn......hope all is well.

For the sake of my boredom, you can't deny that FH Zeref is universal and that Natsu and Acnologia scale.

They fine.

It hurts my soul to see Universal and FT characters in the same sentence.

 

[WoWfan]

The attack natsu used took Rogue out, while Atlas took Motherglare out, it was as he charged up his attack before launching Natsu at him. Not immune to all magic as it is affected by DSM the same way Dragons are. it's durability by your logic is better than the likes of Erza or Cobra. Gajeel's club could not scewer a weaker version of Dorma Anim, same with Natsu until Wendy helped out. even then it is all PoF afterward, stronger than any power up. and even before that Motherglare was more injured against a weakened Natsu. Atlas's body is fire, no difference. no proof that he does have dragon scales as his body was malleable, and that Natsu was eating him, which is Atlas. When Makarov punched, his body was clearly warped by the flames

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too bad it's a fact that FH Zeref with Neo Eclipse is Universe level for destroying an entire timeline

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also looking closer, motherglare's scales were cracking as we see fragments before his powerup

 

[Axiomus]

The attack natsu used took Rogue out, while Atlas took Motherglare out, it was as he charged up his attack before launching Natsu at him. Not immune to all magic as it is affected by DSM the same way Dragons are. it's durability by your logic is better than the likes of Erza or Cobra. Gajeel's club could not scewer a weaker version of Dorma Anim, same with Natsu. it is all PoF, stronger than any power up. and even before that Motherglare was more injured against a weakened Natsu. Atlas's body is fire, no difference. no proof that he does have dragon scales as his body was malleable, and that Natsu was eating him, which is Atlas. When Makarov punched, his body was clearly warped by the flames

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too bad it's a fact that FH Zeref with Neo Eclipse is Universe level for destroying an entire timeline

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also looking closer, motherglare's scales were cracking as we see fragments before his powerup

There was no attack that Atlas Flame was charging up. He held out his hand so that Natsu could jump on it, and then he pushed Natsu. Natsu's attack then hits Rogue and quickly engulfs Motherglare. The animation of the scene clearly shows this:

Spoiler: Again, clear as day

Dragons aren't immune to magic in the first place. Their scales are simply too hard to be pierced without dragon slaying magic. Magic that doesn't try to damage their dragon scales still work on them, like mind control or healing. Yes, Droma Anim is immune to everything but dragon slaying magic. Obviously. However against dragon slaying magic, Droma Anim has much weaker durability than an actual dragon.

The POF that Natsu got only gave him "tomorrow's worth" of power. It would have only given him the power he would have had the very next day. He's still only as strong as pre-timeskip base Natsu. Second origin and LFD alone would have made Natsu stronger than that, let alone Atlas Flame's power.

Motherglare shrugged off every attack Natsu threw at him until the last combo attack with Atlas Flame. The massive punch Natsu didn't stop Motherglare from fighting toe to toe with Atlas Flame. Even if Natsu's attacks did minor damage to Motherglare's scales, it didn't blow a massive hole through her like it did Droma Anim.

Erza and Cobra have better durability than Droma Anim, and Gajeel could have absolutely pierced Droma Anim before it turned black if he tried hard enough. He was already chewing on its tail, and his club was already denting the armour when he swung it at the shell.

Spoiler: Gajeel smashing Droma Anim before it turned black

Atlas Flame's body is that of a dragon. He is still a dragon underneath all of that fire. Atlas Flame is actually solid most of the time. It is only when he is faced with a strong attack, like Motherglare's roar, that he can choose turn turn intangible to avoid damage. This is the exact same way Mercphobia can turn into water.

 

[WoWfan]

again, the expanding explosion would send Motherglare the other direction, not with Rogue and Natsu, it is not in the right angle, and in the same shot you posted, you can see clear as day as they have left far away from Motherglare's body, Natsu did not defeat it. No, Dragons are magical by nature and are born with a resistance to magic other than Dragon Slayer magic, every example points to this. it has no better durability than a weakened wizard since it cannot even stand up to weakened dragon slayers nor kill any weakened wizard. PoF is a strengthening magic as well since it makes the wizard stronger. again, Natsu was weakened by then and thus did not have his usual strength yet he could hurt dragons regardless. Motherglare did not shrug off any attack if he can feel pain and damaged from it. that was with the PoF powerup which is much stronger than non PoF attacks which a weakened Natsu did and still hurt a dragon. They do not as it is stronger and required DS and Mystogen to defend them, Gajeel was powered up by Wendy, even then it is still considered tough and why it is called a dragon. If one thing is confirmed, Dragon Biology is not consistant in the least, only the existence of a dragon is necessary. Atlas is still fire through and through, so then Makarov is a strong attack since his body was malleable.

 

[Axiomus]

Natsu's attack simply keeps pushing until they crashed into the Eclipse Gate. The animation shows us exactly how it was done. That's the way it happened.

Prove it. Find me just one panel where it says dragons are resistant to magic.

Natsu had massive amounts of POF when fighting Motherglare and Rogue as well, and still did not do the same amount of damage to Motherglare as he did to Dorma Anim. Even when Natsu defeated Motherglare by smashing him through a gate made out of magic resistant metal, Motherglare still did not have a massive hole in him. The fact that it only takes a combo of Natsu's sword horn and Wendy's roar to deal fatal damage to Droma Anim, means if Tenrou Erza had dragon slaying magic she would absolutely wreck Droma Anim. Alvarez Arc Natsu almost died fighting an average dragon like Animus, and Alvarez-Arc Natsu would oneshot Droma Anim. This is the last time I am going to talk about Droma Anim. It's not a real dragon. It doesn't have dragon scales. And it's not as durable as a dragon. The whole reason Droma Anim is even being wanked right now is to justify the ridiculous idea that regular footsoldiers with spears can take down dragons.

Dragon biology is ridiculously simple. They have really hard scales, to the point where it's harder to crack a meteor than to pierce their scales. Having dragon slaying magic makes it much, much easier to damage their scales. For some dragons like Mercphobia and Atlas Flame, they can turn their body into their elements to become intangible. Exact same way some humans do it. EZ. No assumptions needed.

 

[Ramen]

Dragon biology is ridiculously simple.

Man has a PHD from UofT in Dragon Biology