Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Demon Hunter]

Looking back at it during Phantom Lord, Gajeel stood no chance against Natsu. Natsu fought Totomaru and Aria then matched Gajeel who was just sitting around beating up Lucy. Gajeel even then started eating the iron to replenish his power when Natsu started getting exhausted. When both were full power, Natsu absolutely stomped him.

Natsu has always been much stronger than Gajeel.

looking back at PL arc, Natsu unlocked his potential though which is supposed to be stronger than Erza.

amped potentional unlocked Natsu > amped Gajeel > nerfed potentional Natsu > normal Gajeel = normal Natsu

I'm pretty sure Hiro was writing them almost equal much later in a series.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Amped natsu is the strongest in the guild since he was able to oneshot amped Zeref in a oneshot.

 

[Demon Hunter]

@Kurumi Tokisaki is back

 

[Ramen]

looking back at PL arc, Natsu unlocked his potential though which is supposed to be stronger than Erza.

amped potentional unlocked Natsu > amped Gajeel > nerfed potentional Natsu > normal Gajeel = normal Natsu

I'm pretty sure Hiro was writing them almost equal much later in a series.

I mean Natsu wasn't normal against Gajeel. He just ran a gauntlet and was matching him until Gajeel ate iron.

If they faced off from the beginning, Natsu would've won easily.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 6, 2020, Original Post Date: Apr 5, 2020 ---

Went back and read some comments a couple weeks before I joined. In what world can Rogue and Sting and Kagura compete with Erza and are stronger than Mira? I know it can seem like I hate Mira but come on? Ya'll were wild lmao.

How tf can Sting surpass Natsu?

 

[Seven777]

I mean Natsu wasn't normal against Gajeel. He just ran a gauntlet and was matching him until Gajeel ate iron.

If they faced off from the beginning, Natsu would've won easily.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 6, 2020, Original Post Date: Apr 5, 2020 ---

Went back and read some comments a couple weeks before I joined. In what world can Rogue and Sting and Kagura compete with Erza and are stronger than Mira? I know it can seem like I hate Mira but come on? Ya'll were wild lmao.

How tf can Sting surpass Natsu?

In his fight with Gajeel Natsu was significantly stronger than when he was fresh, without injuries, fighting Totomaru. If Natsu faced Gajeel at the beginning he would've got low diffed.

 

[grey matter]

In his fight with Gajeel Natsu was significantly stronger than when he was fresh, without injuries, fighting Totomaru. If Natsu faced Gajeel at the beginning he would've got low diffed.

Yep. This exactly.

It may seem counterintuitive, but the theme for Natsu in that arc was that he had some hidden potential or something, which finally got unlocked in the final fight. I don't exactly remember.
Natsu was getting rekt by Aria, and Gajeel is confirmed > Aria.

Gajeel in the beginning of the arc was stronger than peak Natsu. But by the end of the arc, peak Natsu >= Gajeel

 

[Ramen]

Yep. This exactly.

It may seem counterintuitive, but the theme for Natsu in that arc was that he had some hidden potential or something, which finally got unlocked in the final fight. I don't exactly remember.
Natsu was getting rekt by Aria, and Gajeel is confirmed > Aria.

Gajeel in the beginning of the arc was stronger than peak Natsu. But by the end of the arc, peak Natsu >= Gajeel

You do realize Natsu fought Totomaru right? He was getting rekt by Aria and still matched Gajeel. Gajeel couldn't overpower a tired Natsu until Natsu was getting exhausted.

Gajeel has never been above Natsu.

 

[Seven777]

You do realize Natsu fought Totomaru right? He was getting rekt by Aria and still matched Gajeel. Gajeel couldn't overpower a tired Natsu until Natsu was getting exhausted.

Gajeel has never been above Natsu.

Doesn't really matter if the reason Natsu lost to Aria was his injuries from Totomaru(they were fire attacks, so not likely). Happy confirms that Natsu in his fight with Gajeel was stronger than he had ever been before, which means he was stronger than his uninjured self at the beginning of the PL arc. Plus lets face it, Totomaru barely hurt Natsu, and Aria stil rekt his ass easily. Amped Natsu>Gajeel>Aria>Natsu

 

[Ramen]

Doesn't really matter if the reason Natsu lost to Aria was his injuries from Totomaru(they were fire attacks, so not likely). Happy confirms that Natsu in his fight with Gajeel was stronger than he had ever been before, which means he was stronger than his uninjured self at the beginning of the PL arc. Plus lets face it, Totomaru barely hurt Natsu, and Aria stil rekt his ass easily. Amped Natsu>Gajeel>Aria>Natsu

Running a guantlet does matter. Fresh Gajeel=Tired Natsu. Like Natsu matched him completely until Natsu was starting tk get exhausted and Gajeel ate iron. Once Natsu ate Sagittarius flames and was on a equal field again, the rest is history.

If they fought from the beginning, Gajeel wouldn't have lasted much.

If anything, it's Amped Natsu>Amped Gajeel>Natsu=Gajeel

 

[Seven777]

Running a guantlet does matter. Fresh Gajeel=Tired Natsu. Like Natsu matched him completely until Natsu was starting tk get exhausted and Gajeel ate iron. Once Natsu ate Sagittarius flames and was on a equal field again, the rest is history.

If they fought from the beginning, Gajeel wouldn't have lasted much.

If anything, it's Amped Natsu>Amped Gajeel>Natsu=Gajeel

Whether gauntlets matter or not is irrelevant. "Injured" Natsu against Gajeel was significantly stronger than uninjured Natsu against Totomaru, as confirmed in the manga. If they fought at the beginning Gajeel not only would've lasted, he would outright defeat Natsu, easily too, with less effort than Aria.

Amped Natsu after eating fire>Normal Gajeel after eating iron>Amped Natsu=Normal Gajeel>Regular uninjured Natsu.

 

[GL_Nova]

Erza was way more injured against Eileen and did fine. Erza's "injuries" hardly affect her stats lol.
Erza got fucked up by Ajeel, healed by Wendy & rested a while. Went to Hargeon to fight Neinhart, while not having any superficial injuries at all.
Erza got way more fucked up by Neinhart than by Ajeel, got healed by Wendy & rested a while. Went to guild, got injured and stabbed by enchanted grunts, got her arms cracked by Natsu & Gray, and THEN fought Eileen. Erza was in a much worse situation against Eileen than against Neinhart, not even debatable.

Erza didn't "defeat" his Historia. They vanished because they were afraid due to unexplained reasons. But in combat, they absolutely overwhelmed her.

I see the portrayal that Mashima was trying to imply there. Serena was portrayed with Gildarts, and it's not really contradicted by feats either (whatever little feats he got are fairly impressive)

On the bold part: exactly what I said. Eileen was nerfed, while Gildarts and Laxus were floored. Read again.
Yes, it affected Zeref as well. Which is only adding to my point that he could fuck up a lot of high tier mages (IMO Zeref is actually on or below August/Dragon-Eileen).
I honestly would've put him in August/Dragon-Eileen tier if his stats weren't so bad. In magic power, I do think he's close to August/Eileen level.

So you think August & Irene are stronger than Zeref, despite both being quite clear he was on a whole tier above them?

 

[grey matter]

So you think August & Irene are stronger than Zeref, despite both being quite clear he was on a whole tier above them?

I think they're all on the same tier. IDK to be honest, the feats are all over the place.

By portrayal, yeah. Zeref > August and Eileen

 

[GL_Nova]

I think they're all on the same tier. IDK to be honest, the feats are all over the place.

By portrayal, yeah. Zeref > August and Eileen

Why would they lie?

 

[sharkai]

God Serena was portrayed to be Gildarts level. And he pretty much no diff'd Jura and 3 guys tiers above Jura. Jura is near Makarov level, and Makarov needed a FDK punch from Natsu. Which means his opponents weren't really some jokes either. Makarov level guys are still relevant.

And even as a Historia, he briefly overwhelmed team Natsu, and gave low diff to Gildarts (gave Gildarts a few injuries off screen). Gildarts needed one of his strongest attacks to finish off Historia Serena. This is really impressive, when you look at the 'historia nerf' in context - Bradman as a Historia got reduced from a level of soloing Sabertooth to being base Rouge's level.

God Serena hasn't shown his powers yet, but what little feats we got from him were impressive.

I think the only reason you think serena is so strong, is because he didnt fight our main characters. In sense his dignity was persevered

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 7, 2020, Original Post Date: Apr 7, 2020 ---

Running a guantlet does matter. Fresh Gajeel=Tired Natsu. Like Natsu matched him completely until Natsu was starting tk get exhausted and Gajeel ate iron. Once Natsu ate Sagittarius flames and was on a equal field again, the rest is history.

If they fought from the beginning, Gajeel wouldn't have lasted much.

If anything, it's Amped Natsu>Amped Gajeel>Natsu=Gajeel

I wonder where poor gray would go?
I mean he was natsu rival so technically it should be start of series natsu = start of series gray

So for it should be
amped up natsu>amped up gajeel>gajeel>aria>blinded aria>>start of phanton arc natsu=gray (and gray didnt power up till tenrou i believe)

Poor gray, tiers below gajeel lol

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 7, 2020 ---

Yep. This exactly.

It may seem counterintuitive, but the theme for Natsu in that arc was that he had some hidden potential or something, which finally got unlocked in the final fight. I don't exactly remember.
Natsu was getting rekt by Aria, and Gajeel is confirmed > Aria.

Gajeel in the beginning of the arc was stronger than peak Natsu. But by the end of the arc, peak Natsu >= Gajeel

Was that the theme? Natsu hidden potential was mentioned couple of times. Marakrov also mentioned that potential once unleashed could beat even laxus (in ff arc)

If natsu unlocked this potential in phantom arc. Wouldnt that put natsu couple of tiers above gray, who was equal to natsu in the start of that arc.

 

[Ramen]

wonder where poor gray would go?
I mean he was natsu rival so technically it should be start of series natsu = start of series gray

So for it should be
amped up natsu>amped up gajeel>gajeel>aria>blinded aria>>start of phanton arc natsu=gray (and gray didnt power up till tenrou i believe)

Poor gray, tiers below gajeel lol

Gray didn't get strong until Tartaros. Before then he was always behind Natsu, Laxus, Gajeel, Erza and Gildarts.

Even Alvarez and now I think those guys are ahead of him.

 

[sharkai]

Gray didn't get strong until Tartaros. Before then he was always behind Natsu, Laxus, Gajeel, Erza and Gildarts.

Even Alvarez and now I think those guys are ahead of him.

Natsu might have been stronger than gray, but they were rival. They shouldnt have a huge gap between them

Think what the others are saying
Natsu unlocked some hidden potential in phantom arc.
They are saying that before phantom arc or at its start, gajeel would beat natsu like or even better than aria. Then natsu got a power up. Which allowed natsu to beat gajeel.
So wouldnt that mean after phantom arc natsu would low diff gray. Provided of course, start of series gray and natsu were around each other.

 

[Ramen]

Natsu might have been stronger than gray, but they were rival. They shouldnt have a huge gap between them

Think what the others are saying
Natsu unlocked some hidden potential in phantom arc.
They are saying that before phantom arc or at its start, gajeel would beat natsu like or even better than aria. Then natsu got a power up. Which allowed natsu to beat gajeel.
So wouldnt that mean after phantom arc natsu would low diff gray. Provided of course, start of series gray and natsu were around each other.

Feats for Natsu have always been better than Gray. The only reason they seemed to be rivals was because of their elements. Natsu would've low diffed Gray after he ate Sagitarius' flames.

When Natsu got LFD the gap was massive.

 

[Axiomus]

Natsu might have been stronger than gray, but they were rival. They shouldnt have a huge gap between them

Think what the others are saying
Natsu unlocked some hidden potential in phantom arc.
They are saying that before phantom arc or at its start, gajeel would beat natsu like or even better than aria. Then natsu got a power up. Which allowed natsu to beat gajeel.
So wouldnt that mean after phantom arc natsu would low diff gray. Provided of course, start of series gray and natsu were around each other.

No because the hidden potential in question was Natsu's emotions. Without those emotions, he's more or less on Gray's level. When he taps into those emotions, he's much stronger.

 

[Ramen]

Predictions for the strength of the BDSK and the Diabolos GM? Everyone except @GL_Nova can respond.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

for a DG to just effortlessly create someone like Zeref, with all his powers, including his death magic, is super freaking impressive. i didnt expect it, but it is not that much of a surprise, considering their hype.