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But then Azuma uses stronger move to Erza than Mira. Mirajane would go down with 1 Terra Clamera.
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Not an excuse.

Erza did better than Mirajane. Erza tanked harder hits and dealt more damage.
You should also consider that mira jane's attention is on lissana not on her fight. Still give more damaged in 2 minutes than erza. And erza is still at full power unlike mira. So that was expected.
 

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You should also consider that mira jane's attention is on lissana not on her fight. Still give more damaged in 2 minutes than erza. And erza is still at full power unlike mira. So that was expected.
Irrelevant. Mirajane considered using all her power to fight Azuma, and simply decided she wasn't strong enough to beat him. Also Mirajane barely did any damage to Azuma, other than few superficial scratches. He was in near optimal shape walking away from the fight, and also in near optimal shape when he began the fight with Erza. Saying that Mirajane did this amount of minute damage to him in 2 minutes doesn't say much.

I don't think Mirajane was talking about putting all her power against Azuma, she's saying that if she put all her power in the time bomb in order to save Lissana. When the time bomb exploded Mirajane was unconcious and Lissana was concoious. Seems like Mirajane put all her power in defensive mode.
She said, "I can't, he's too strong", and then considered her chances of beating him if she used all her power. Then decided that she wasn't strong enough to beat him, and admitted it. She then (probably) used her remaining power to protect Lisanna.
She also said earlier that she didn't think her magic would last very long.
 
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You can chalk Erza getting back up to POF, and it's true that Erza is better at using POF than Mirajane. That's also why she's stronger.

And actually, the Tenrou Tree technically provided Erza with more buffs than it did to Mirjanae. The tree gave 2 buffs. One was divine protection from death, and the other was a boost to magical power. When the tree was down, it only gave Erza the divine protection from death. The boost to magical power only came into play after Ultear restored the tree.





Irrelevant. Mirajane considered using all her power to fight Azuma, and simply decided she wasn't strong enough to beat him. Also Mirajane barely did any damage to Azuma, other than few superficial scratches. He was in near optimal shape walking away from the fight, and also in near optimal shape when he began the fight with Erza. Saying that Mirajane did this amount of minute damage to him in 2 minutes doesn't say much.



She said, "I can't, he's too strong", and then considered her chances of beating him if she used all her power. Then decided that she wasn't strong enough to beat him, and admitted it. She then (probably) used her remaining power to protect Lisanna.
She also said earlier that she didn't think her magic would last very long.
Tenrou tree gives divine protection to all fairytail members bearing the guild mark. It wasn't just erza.

And did you even consider mira jane just got her power back after years of inactivity. She wasn't the same demon mirajane before lissana disappeared. No training at all fot several years. So that's expected.


And im just referring to zancrow when he states that azuma was pretty beat up. Azuma respond that it proves that he fought someone strong. So it wasn't just as superficial scratch lol.
 

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Tenrou tree gives divine protection to all fairytaol.member bearinv the guild mark. It wasn't just erza.

And did you even consider mira jane just got her power back after years of inactivity. She wasn't the same demon mirajane before lissana disappeared. No training at all fot several years. So that's expected.


And im just referring to zancrow when he states that azuma was pretty beat up. Azuma respond that it proves that he fought someone strong. So it wasn't just as superficial scratch lol.
Exactly. Mirajane had it too, for the entire time she fought Azuma. Everyone who had the guild mark was granted divine protection by the tree, and a boost to their magic. Although the boost to their magic wasn't in effect when the tree was down, which means Erza's MP wasn't boosted when she beat Azuma. She was just granted protection from being blasted by the power of the tree itself.

Sure. I did consider that.

I don't recall this. When did this happen?
 

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And POF is a FT plot armour. Erza and Natsu got the highest POF that can even do the unbelievable.
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Exactly. Mirajane had it too, for the entire time she fought Azuma. Everyone who had the guild mark was granted divine protection by the tree, and a boost to their magic. Although the boost to their magic wasn't in effect when the tree was down, which means Erza's MP wasn't boosted when she beat Azuma. She was just granted protection from being blasted by the power of the tree itself.

Sure. I did consider that.

I don't recall this. When did this happen?
Erza's magic was retained by azuma when they fought. Although the boosted is not there or not sure if it was when the tree was destroyed still erza was in better shape when she fought azuma. Not to mentioned the amount of POF.

It was in anime right after when mira was beateb by azuma and when zancrow and azuma talks about meredy's feelings. Though i dont remember the episode
 

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And POF is a FT plot armour. Erza and Natsu got the highest POF that can even do the unbelievable.

Erza's magic was retained by azuma when they fought. Although the boosted is not there or not sure if it was when the tree was destroyed still erza was in better shape when she fought azuma. Not to mentioned the amount of POF.

It was in anime right after when mira was beateb by azuma and when zancrow and azuma talks about meredy's feelings. Though i dont remember the episode
Power of Emotions is an actual thing in Fairy Tail, and characters who are better at using it can pretty much be argued to just be stronger.

Azuma talked to Rustyrose. I will concede that Azuma's injuries may not be superficial, but it hardly matters. In his attempt to beat Erza, Azuma actually ended up overusing his magic and turning into a tree. Even if Erza wasn't under the tree's divine protection and got defeated by Azuma's final attack, Azuma would have still just turned into a tree from overusing his magic. But that's not even what happened. What happened was that Erza beat Azuma with her final attack, and then still mustered up enough strength to fight Hades afterwards. I simply don't see how anyone can say Mirajane gave Azuma a better fight.
 

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Power of Emotions is an actual thing in Fairy Tail, and characters who are better at using it can pretty much be argued to just be stronger.

Azuma talked to Rustyrose. I will concede that Azuma's injuries may not be superficial, but it hardly matters. In his attempt to beat Erza, Azuma actually ended up overusing his magic and turning into a tree. Even if Erza wasn't under the tree's divine protection and got defeated by Azuma's final attack, Azuma would have still just turned into a tree from overusing his magic. But that's not even what happened. What happened was that Erza beat Azuma with her final attack, and then still mustered up enough strength to fight Hades afterwards. I simply don't see how anyone can say Mirajane gave Azuma a better fight.
POF in fairy tail really exist but honestly, im not really into it. It makes me cringe and makes the storyline predictable and boring. Thats why I hated the final chapter.

Anyway, yeah it was rustyrose not zancrow sorry. Azuma was fighting pretty good against mira jane in her weakest state with hrr magic power depleted. Thats why i say it was a bettet fight compared to erza. While azuma uses to much of his power when he unleash the 2nd terra clamare.
 

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But then Azuma uses stronger move to Erza than Mira. Mirajane would go down with 1 Terra Clamera.
Actually f-ed himself up by using the Tenrou's tree power. It was stated the Tenrou power protected her both times so she was never hurt by the damage and turning that magic back on Azuma led to his defeat.
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Erza didn't tank anything from Tenrou's tree so her fight with Azuma is pretty weak in comparison to Mira's.
 

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POF in fairy tail really exist but honestly, im not really into it. It makes me cringe and makes the storyline predictable and boring. Thats why I hated the final chapter.

Anyway, yeah it was rustyrose not zancrow sorry. Azuma was fighting pretty good against mira jane in her weakest state with hrr magic power depleted. Thats why i say it was a bettet fight compared to erza. While azuma uses to much of his power when he unleash the 2nd terra clamare.
But it is what it is.

Well, sure. You can argue that Mirajane was still out of shape on Tenrou, and didn't really recover her powers until she recovered the use of Sitri during the GMG. But the GMG has Erza unlocking second origin and revealing her new Nakagami armour, which put her on a different level to Mirajane. This was made apparent by the way Erza was keeping up with Kyouka's etherious form in combat, whereas Mirajane basically got oneshotted by Seilah (and Kyouka outstats Seilah in everything, even with Limiter Removal factored in).
 

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But it is what it is.

Well, sure. You can argue that Mirajane was still out of shape on Tenrou, and didn't really recover her powers until she recovered the use of Sitri during the GMG. But the GMG has Erza unlocking second origin and revealing her new Nakagami armour, which put her on a different level to Mirajane. This was made apparent by the way Erza was keeping up with Kyouka's etherious form in combat, whereas Mirajane basically got oneshotted by Seilah (and Kyouka outstats Seilah in everything, even with Limiter Removal factored in).
Honestly, don't even consider the fight between erza and kyouka. We all know that erza should have been beaten by kyouka if it wasn't for her plot armour lol. Erza's armadura fairy was singlehandedly destroy by kyouka and her armours wasnt strong enough to beat her. And the second origin was a result of ultear helping them. Power boost. More on a cheat.
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But it is what it is.

Well, sure. You can argue that Mirajane was still out of shape on Tenrou, and didn't really recover her powers until she recovered the use of Sitri during the GMG. But the GMG has Erza unlocking second origin and revealing her new Nakagami armour, which put her on a different level to Mirajane. This was made apparent by the way Erza was keeping up with Kyouka's etherious form in combat, whereas Mirajane basically got oneshotted by Seilah (and Kyouka outstats Seilah in everything, even with Limiter Removal factored in).
Seilah and kyouka has different curses. Both are dangerous to mages. Even erza won't last against seilah's macro
 

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Actually f-ed himself up by using the Tenrou's tree power. It was stated the Tenrou power protected her both times so she was never hurt by the damage and turning that magic back on Azuma led to his defeat.
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Erza didn't tank anything from Tenrou's tree so her fight with Azuma is pretty weak in comparison to Mira's.
Erza still tanked regular blasts from Azuma without the Tenrou Tree.
Also, the Tenrou Tree granting Erza it's divine protection doesn't prevent Erza from getting hurt when she's blasted by it's power. It still managed to injure Erza more than his other attacks.

Honestly, don't even consider the fight between erza and kyouka. We all know that erza should have been beaten by kyouka if it wasn't for her plot armour lol. Erza's armadura fairy was singlehandedly destroy by kyouka and her armours wasnt strong enough to beat her. And the second origin was a result of ultear helping them. Power boost. More on a cheat.
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Seilah and kyouka has different curses. Both are dangerous to mages. Even erza won't last against seilah's macro
Even if you disregard the way Erza beat Kyouka, the fact that Erza wasn't immediately oneshotted by Kyouka's etherious form scales her way above Mirajane. I'm not talking about macro or sensory curse. I'm talking about their raw combat prowess. Kyouka has better attack power, durability, and speed than Seilah, even accounting for Seilah's limit removal. Going off the card stats, Kyouka has more than twice Seilah's attack power and defense, and more than triple the speed. Seilah's limit removal doubles her attack power at the cost of all her other stats, and even with that boost her attack power is still lower than Kyouka's.
Not to mention, Kyouka's strength enhancement actually increases her power for every second that passes.
 
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Erza still tanked regular blasts from Azuma without the Tenrou Tree.
Also, the Tenrou Tree granting Erza it's divine protection doesn't prevent Erza from getting hurt when she's blasted by it's power. It still managed to injure Erza more than his other attacks.


Even if you disregard the way Erza beat Kyouka, the fact that Erza wasn't immediately oneshotted by Kyouka's etherious form scales her way above Mirajane. I'm not talking about macro or sensory curse. I'm talking about their raw combat prowess. Kyouka has better attack power, durability, and speed than Seilah, even accounting for Seilah's limit removal.
Is Tower Burst supposed to be impressive tho? He used that on Wendy, Mest, and Pantherlily. His regular tree branch attack stopped some of Erza's best stuff which makes his tree branches more impressive imo. It does protect her from getting rekt and dying plus gave her a massive attack boost lmao. Do you think Tenrou Erza could actually take an attack that had the magical power of the guild and Tenrou island behind it w/o dying?
 

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Is Tower Burst supposed to be impressive tho? He used that on Wendy, Mest, and Pantherlily. His regular tree branch attack stopped some of Erza's best stuff which makes his tree branches more impressive imo. It does protect her from getting rekt and dying plus gave her a massive attack boost lmao. Do you think Erza could actually take an attack that had the magical power of the guild and Tenrou island w/o dying?
No, but my point was that Terra Clammare did more damage than any of Azuma's regular attacks even with the Tenrou Tree's divine protection in effect. Which pretty much rules out his regular attacks taking Erza out.

Also, Mirajane had the same divine protection from dying too, and also a boost to her magic power on top of that.
 

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No, but my point was that Terra Clammare did more damage than any of Azuma's regular attacks even with the Tenrou Tree's divine protection in effect. Which pretty much rules out his regular attacks taking Erza out.
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Also, Mirajane had the same divine protection from dying and also a boost to her magic power the entire time. So it evens out.
But Erza only survived Terra bcs the magic behind Terra protected her. He stopped Erza's strongest attack and had the upper hand until he pulled put Tenrou magic which massively backfired on him.

Since when did Mira get Divine protection? The Tenrou's tree protection only worked at the very end of the arc as no one was given their magic back mid fight beforehand lol. If she had Divine protection then she wouldn't been almost out of magical power during the Azuma fight.
 

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Erza still tanked regular blasts from Azuma without the Tenrou Tree.
Also, the Tenrou Tree granting Erza it's divine protection doesn't prevent Erza from getting hurt when she's blasted by it's power. It still managed to injure Erza more than his other attacks.


Even if you disregard the way Erza beat Kyouka, the fact that Erza wasn't immediately oneshotted by Kyouka's etherious form scales her way above Mirajane. I'm not talking about macro or sensory curse. I'm talking about their raw combat prowess. Kyouka has better attack power, durability, and speed than Seilah, even accounting for Seilah's limit removal. Going off the GMG cards Kyouka has more than twice Seilah's attack power and defense, and more than triple her speed. Seilah's limit removal doubles her attack power at the cost of all her other stats, and even with that boost her attack power is still lower than Kyouka's.
Not to mention, Kyouka's strength enhancement actually increases her stats for every second that passes. But again, Kyouka already outstats Seilah even without accounting for this.
Kyouka is indeed much stronger than seilah but mira wasn't one shotted by seilah. Sure, seilah's attack forced mira jane to undo her sitri form but she wasn't beaten until she take over's seilah's power and commanded elfman.

While erza has better endurance than mira due to the fact that erza is always out doing request and fighting someone stronger. Erza should be defeated by kyouka but nakama power always saves her.
 

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But Erza only survived Terra bcs the magic behind Terra protected her. He stopped Erza's strongest attack and had the upper hand until he pulled put Tenrou magic which massively backfired on him.

Since when did Mira get Divine protection? The Tenrou's tree protection only worked at the very end of the arc as no one was given their magic back mid fight beforehand lol. If she had Divine protection then she wouldn't been almost out of magical power during the Azuma fight.
It wouldn't have mattered what attack Azuma used. Erza would have tanked them all. Terra Clammare did more damage to Erza than any of Azuma's regular attacks. It knocked her unconscious. If Azuma used his own power instead, Erza would have still had the divine protection. Whether or not Azuma was blasting Erza with the tenrou tree's magic, the tenrou tree would have still granted Erza it's divine protection. That's simply what it does. Azuma's miscalculation was simply thinking that he had full control over the tree's magic. He did not.

Mirajane had the divine protection the entire time. Ever since she stepped foot on the island. Everyone with the mark gets divine protection and a boost to their magic power, and it's been happening the entire time they were on the island. The Sirius tree didn't decide to just turn on towards the end of the arc. Mirajane was simply running out of magic power despite the fact that she was boosted from the island. I could even argue that she's only even still alive after shielding Lisanna because of the divine protection.
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Kyouka is indeed much stronger than seilah but mira wasn't one shotted by seilah. Sure, seilah's attack forced mira jane to undo her sitri form but she wasn't beaten until she take over's seilah's power and commanded elfman.

While erza has better endurance than mira due to the fact that erza is always out doing request and fighting someone stronger. Erza should be defeated by kyouka but nakama power always saves her.
Okay, but compare Mirajane's performance against Seilah to the stuff that Erza is pulling off. If we exclude stuff like stealing senses, then Erza was very much on Kyouka's level when it came to raw combat prowess. If not on the level of Kyouka with her strength enhancement, then at least on the level of Kyouka's regular form (which already outstats Seilah).
 

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It wouldn't have mattered what attack Azuma used. Erza would have tanked them all. Terra Clammare did more damage to Erza than any of Azuma's regular attacks. It knocked her unconscious. If Azuma used his own power instead, Erza would have still had the divine protection. Whether or not Azuma was blasting Erza with the tenrou tree's magic, the tenrou tree would have still granted Erza it's divine protection. That's simply what it does. Azuma's miscalculation was simply thinking that he had full control over the tree's magic. He did not.

Mirajane had the divine protection the entire time. Ever since she stepped foot on the island. Everyone with the mark gets divine protection and a boost to their magic power, and it's been happening the entire time they were on the island. The Sirius tree didn't decide to just turn on towards the end of the arc. Mirajane was simply running out of magic power despite the fact that she was boosted from the island. I could even argue that she's only even still alive after shielding Lisanna because of the divine protection.
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Okay, but compare Mirajane's performance against Seilah to the stuff that Erza is pulling off. If we exclude stuff like stealing senses, then Erza was very much on Kyouka's level when it came to raw combat prowess. If not on the level of Kyouka with her strength enhancement, then at least on the level of Kyouka's regular form (which already outstats Seilah).
Mira jane and seilah was on the same level as well during their basic form or I guess mira's power was greatly scaled back. Honestly, fighting using a book is such a joke. Anyway, etherious seilah's attack against mira jane vs etherious kyoka's attck against erza is different. Seilah's attack is a direct explosive hit. Thats why it affects mira jane that much. Though mira waa still fighting and resorts to absorbing seilah

While kyouka's attack is physical due to the nature of her curse power. Besides, kyouka prefers torturing her opponent unlike seilah who wants to get rid of them as soon as possible. Thats why the fight betwern erza and kyouka got dragged.
 

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Mira jane and seilah was on the same level as well during their basic form or I guess mira's power was greatly scaled back. Honestly, fighting using a book is such a joke. Anyway, etherious seilah's attack against mira jane vs etherious kyoka's attck against erza is different. Seilah's attack is a direct explosive hit. Thats why it affects mira jane that much. Though mira waa still fighting and resorts to absorbing seilah

While kyouka's attack is physical due to the nature of her curse power. Besides, kyouka prefers torturing her opponent unlike seilah who wants to get rid of them as soon as possible. Thats why the fight betwern erza and kyouka got dragged.
Again, Kyouka actually has better attack power than Seilah, so her slashes should simply be stronger than Seilah's explosions. There's no getting around this. Erza is stronger than Mirajane.
 

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It really depends on mishma. Technically, Gildarts was around bluenote level, he couldn't do to bluenote what natsu could do. But suddenly he got a boost too. Maybe laxus is already above him with red lightning mode. But mishma might give Gildarts another stupid boost.
He totally has, he would have had too to remain the Ace.
 
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