Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[sharkai]

Black Dragon Slayer Knights

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Headcanon. "If" is not an argument.

If is a condition
If all debaters agree on it than you move forward
Especially if you dont know the rules (because mishma hasnt made them yet)

 

[Ramen]

If is a condition
If all debaters agree on it than you move forward
Especially if you dont know the rules (because mishma hasnt made them yet)

Assuming Macro would work is headcanon and isn't an argument unless it's pretty obvious. Saying Mira > Gildarts because of Macro is 100% headcanon.

 

[GL_Nova]

WW whited his ass out. WW then was knocked out by Happy and finished by Wendy. I can still hear @Zelefomavis laughing

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Thoughts on Laxus v. Jura? I think it was BS, Mashima style

What about that fight do you question?

Erza had more hits. It's the same in any other fighting sport, you count the number of hits landed not how many landed out of a combo attack.

Saying my logic is flawed yet providing no actual counter argument is hilarious. Fact of the matter is, the hit ratio was 9:7 in chapter 45. Chapter 46 was 12:7 ratio in Erza's favor of hits. Saying Laxus had more hits bcs he hit separate times is just downplay of Erza's capabilities to land more successful hits in an instant than Laxus can. Also Laxus lightning shocking her is not an additional hit bcs it's the same hit that he punched or lightning bolted her that is shocking her. He's hitting once not multiple times.

Also this is a manga with wizards, dragons, immortals, and demons who can nuke towns with flick of the wrist and you are surprised that they can pull of multiple attacks in an instance? Y'all act like Erza is the first to pull of multi-hit attack in an instance. Gild punched 13 times in one instant attack.

Spoiler

That would still be considered 13 hits not 1 since they are separate attacks. Single attack = 1 hit. Multi attack = multi hits.

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Wendy, Erza, and Natsu aren't Mary Sues. Getting asspulls or rando power ups doesn't equal a Mary Sue or Gary Stu.

If it's not a separate hit, why give it a second panel? I mean, if we're counting each individual and imagined sword slash, why not count the completely separate aftershock of the blows, I mean Mashima did give it emphasis for a reason.

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I agree your sentiments, completely. Even I was bummed by what happened (esp because the most hyped fight of GMG was OFF SCREENED),
IMO, what happened was Laxus outlasted Jura, but in pure combat Jura was > Laxus.

And yes, technically I can't bring up portrayal because portrayal between Jellal and Laxus was set only after/since GMG arc, I'm just backtracking from our known portrayal.


This is how I see stats in GMG, while trying to make sense of how both Jura fights went:

Jura (all stats normalized to 100):
HP: 100
Attack power: 100
Physical strength: 100
Magic power: 100
Combat Speed: 100

Jellal:
HP: 80
Attack power: 115
Physical strength: 70
Magic power: 105
Combat Speed: 130

Laxus:
HP: 120
Attack power: 100
Physical strength: 100
Magic power: 100
Combat Speed: 90

The combat advantage Jura had was because of his combat speed advantage. But Laxus' superior HP more than made up for the extra blows Jura did to him.

Your numbers make no sense to me. Can you explain why Jellal has such a high attack power in comparison? Cause nothing supports that. Also the magic power situation.

 

[Jko]

What about that fight do you question?


If it's not a separate hit, why give it a second panel? I mean, if we're counting each individual and imagined sword slash, why not count the completely separate aftershock of the blows, I mean Mashima did give it emphasis for a reason.

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Your numbers make no sense to me. Can you explain why Jellal has such a high attack power in comparison? Cause nothing supports that. Also the magic power situation.

The author didn't want draw five different panels when he could easily show the result in one. Plus it was supposed to emphasize the speed of the attack. Bcs the aftershock doesn't come from a second hit. It is just effect caused by his attack and he only has to hit once in order for it to work. Erza on the other hand had to hit 5 different times in order to make 5 different slash marks in that instance.

 

[GL_Nova]

she took hits from RDLM and was holding back at the first part of the fight and that's laxus words since you love him that much

and RDLM is a boost just like erza dragon sword is boost too whether you like it or not

and he got it through bs at least erza bs got some logic she got them through wendy enchancment

and the only things laxus got above erza is stamina and maybe attack power even attack power they seemed equal cuase there final attacks canceled each other out the other stats are equal.

and it was stated in first page of chapter 46 that it was double KO so laxus fans stop saying that he won.




Aldron himself disagree with you, this laxus hype it's even go against the manga statements

i don't like posting but this laxus hype it's started to disgus me just like mira hype and making me hate him even though i like him

Your disgust is a personal issue, you may wanna take a break for a day or so then come back. You not gonna miss much.

Yes, she definitely did survive, a testament to her insane durability. Yet as mentioned, her not fighting for the kill, a mistake Laxus purposefully avoided sealed her fate.

RLDM is a form. When I call her DS seal and swords boosts, it's in reference to getting a boost of strength from an outside power source. RL is 1 power form Laxus used, but it's his own power. He can repeat the feat whenever. She needs to pull it from an outside source. That's a boost.

He got a shounen powerup. His only one in the series. An that makes sense based on his year of training for exactly this kind of moment and the pressure involved. Hers is thematically beautiful. Coulda fixed her issues during the last few arcs.

You cannot seriously be about to tell me you read that right, and walked away thinking they have similar attack power. Did you see what his basic chop did? Noooo magic? Naw bruh, if she was swinging her swords with that kinda power he'd have lost a limb.

It stated both were out because they were, stop disrespecting Titania, respect her verdict. She lost, she underestimated his power and paid the price.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Dude, wtf?
How did:
L:2 E:1
suddenly jump to
L:3, E:6?
Lol. It should've been L:3, E:2
That's a single attack.

yeah, Jko is partially right.

she landed 4 attacks in this one

Spoiler

bottom panel, you can clearly see she hit 4 times, not 5. he clearly illustrated that.

what doesn't make sense, however, is this

Spoiler

he has 5 cuts.

another massive bull*** is this

Spoiler: no bruise from a kick

to

Spoiler: small bruises, even though she didn't hit him with a sword in a head LOL

to

Spoiler: no bruise, not even a scratch

Spoiler: no bruise as well

like, if it was one panel sure but 4 LFMAO.

Ueda is just massively inconsistent in his drawings.

I do count aftershock from his punches because not every punch produced an aftershock which means it's intentional.

hit ration is 10-6 (10-7 if you count that kick which didn't do anything or 10/8 if you count that cut which shouldn't even exist).

I won't count chapter 45 because that's reaching it.

but yeah, not that it matters like you guys said. I was wrong when I said it was 5-1 for Laxus but I see you guys go for speed.

regardless, Laxus' hits were way more devestating, she was continuously ragdolled until Erza pulled Natsu' and Gray' magic and did a blow that actually mattered.

she is a very bad match up because of her cutting.

Erza's reaction speed is top tier.

 

[Ramen]

You know you're bored when you debate how many slashes were dealt.

 

[Demon Hunter]

You know you're bored when you debate how many slashes were dealt.

LMAO Ik right

no sane person does that, only us

you just have to read that chapter like any normal person and see Laxus had an advantage.

 

[Ramen]

LMAO Ik right

no sane person does that, only us

you just have to read that chapter like any normal person and see Laxus had an advantage.

Or read it and see Laxus won the fight all the way through.

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@grey matter

Waiting for Viernes to shock everyone and actually be the strongest DG like...........

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Waiting for Viernes to shock everyone and actually be the strongest DG like

I don't how he can be strongest. His magic is gold. He probably shoot Gold from his mouth. Let's hope he has some other unique power as well.

 

[Ramen]

I don't how he can be strongest. His magic is gold. He probably shoot Gold from his mouth. Let's hope he has some other unique power as well.

I don't think magic will play a big part. There are other factors as to who's the strongest.

Let's hope

 

[ald7mi_99]

Your disgust is a personal issue, you may wanna take a break for a day or so then come back. You not gonna miss much.

Yes, she definitely did survive, a testament to her insane durability. Yet as mentioned, her not fighting for the kill, a mistake Laxus purposefully avoided sealed her fate.

RLDM is a form. When I call her DS seal and swords boosts, it's in reference to getting a boost of strength from an outside power source. RL is 1 power form Laxus used, but it's his own power. He can repeat the feat whenever. She needs to pull it from an outside source. That's a boost.

He got a shounen powerup. His only one in the series. An that makes sense based on his year of training for exactly this kind of moment and the pressure involved. Hers is thematically beautiful. Coulda fixed her issues during the last few arcs.

You cannot seriously be about to tell me you read that right, and walked away thinking they have similar attack power. Did you see what his basic chop did? Noooo magic? Naw bruh, if she was swinging her swords with that kinda power he'd have lost a limb.

It stated both were out because they were, stop disrespecting Titania, respect her verdict. She lost, she underestimated his power and paid the price.

i wouldn't bother responding to you cause you will ignore even the manga facts when it comes to laxus

and hate a fantasy charcater isn't issue if it's get overrated

 

[grey matter]

yeah, Jko is partially right.

she landed 4 attacks in this one

Spoiler

bottom panel, you can clearly see she hit 4 times, not 5. he clearly illustrated that.

what doesn't make sense, however, is this

Spoiler

he has 5 cuts.

another massive bull*** is this

Spoiler: no bruise from a kick

to

Spoiler: small bruises, even though she didn't hit him with a sword in a head LOL

to

Spoiler: no bruise, not even a scratch

Spoiler: no bruise as well

like, if it was one panel sure but 4 LFMAO.

Ueda is just massively inconsistent in his drawings.

I do count aftershock from his punches because not every punch produced an aftershock which means it's intentional.

hit ration is 10-6 (10-7 if you count that kick which didn't do anything or 10/8 if you count that cut which shouldn't even exist).

I won't count chapter 45 because that's reaching it.

but yeah, not that it matters like you guys said. I was wrong when I said it was 5-1 for Laxus but I see you guys go for speed.

regardless, Laxus' hits were way more devestating, she was continuously ragdolled until Erza pulled Natsu' and Gray' magic and did a blow that actually mattered.

she is a very bad match up because of her cutting.

Erza's reaction speed is top tier.

I was counting instances of attack. Those 4 or 5 slices, I counted as one since it's clearly a combo attack - a part of an instance of attack. IMO, for combat speed, it's instances of attack that matter. In which Laxus has way more

It was clear that Laxus was always on the attack, and Erza in the defense. This is impossible if combat speed wasn't higher for Laxus. It wasn't just that Laxus had higher attack power, he also had more speed, or else he wouldn't be the one with who's constantly on the offense. Superior attack power can only get you so far
Laxus also dodged more attacks, it wasn't like he tanked Erza's attacks like Broly and overwhelmed with pure strength/attack-power. It was clearly a combination of superior attack power and combat speed.

Also yes, Erza is likely better in pure CQC (she has to be, due her very specialty being a swords fighter). But in combat speed, Laxus was clearly superior. It was self evident in the chapters 43 and 44

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Or read it and see Laxus won the fight all the way through.

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@grey matter

Waiting for Viernes to shock everyone and actually be the strongest DG like...........

VIERNES HYPE?

 

[Ramen]

VIERNES HYPE?

Yes.

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Just thought of this:

If Black Ash was able to potentially one shot Gray, how strong must his Secret Arts be? Secret Arts are a great deal stronger than regular DS attacks.

Also, from the DEs that we've seen and played an important role in the story thus far, what would be a interesting dual mode with Ash, Armours, Blades?

 

[sharkai]

Assuming Macro would work is headcanon and isn't an argument unless it's pretty obvious. Saying Mira > Gildarts because of Macro is 100% headcanon.

Sadly, we have seen hax work on character far superior than the caster. So saying it might work isnt exactly ridiculous.
So you can easily create two scenarios, one where it works and one where it doesnt.
This is important for characters like brandish, who without hax, is basically magicless

 

[Ramen]

Sadly, we have seen hax work on character far superior than the caster. So saying it might work isnt exactly ridiculous.

Never widely superior.

Gildarts would just overpower Macro. Same with a lot of other characters.

 

[sharkai]

Your disgust is a personal issue, you may wanna take a break for a day or so then come back. You not gonna miss much.

Yes, she definitely did survive, a testament to her insane durability. Yet as mentioned, her not fighting for the kill, a mistake Laxus purposefully avoided sealed her fate.

RLDM is a form. When I call her DS seal and swords boosts, it's in reference to getting a boost of strength from an outside power source. RL is 1 power form Laxus used, but it's his own power. He can repeat the feat whenever. She needs to pull it from an outside source. That's a boost.

He got a shounen powerup. His only one in the series. An that makes sense based on his year of training for exactly this kind of moment and the pressure involved. Hers is thematically beautiful. Coulda fixed her issues during the last few arcs.

You cannot seriously be about to tell me you read that right, and walked away thinking they have similar attack power. Did you see what his basic chop did? Noooo magic? Naw bruh, if she was swinging her swords with that kinda power he'd have lost a limb.

It stated both were out because they were, stop disrespecting Titania, respect her verdict. She lost, she underestimated his power and paid the price.

Fighting to kill? Where did that come from? She never faught for kill against laxus, period.
She was pulling her punches in the start, because she had deduced that laxus was below her. Maybe he got a big boost, or her deduction werent spot on. She paid the price for that.

Their attack power same mate. That why we didnt see the winner in the final exchange.

There is no external source. Erza pulled out her swords. And casted enchantment right front of laxus.

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Never widely superior.

Gildarts would just overpower Macro. Same with a lot of other characters.

I dont think there is a point in talking about this, because mishma himself deosnt know.

For example laxus didnt overpower kiria hax. It was pure plot driven. Sahila macro worked fine on erza, yet mira cant macro skullrion. Hax works when plot demands it. If wendy tier character appears, her hax might work on gildarts. (Aria hax worked on Markrov, mest on brandish, marin on erza)

 

[Ramen]

Anyone else find the moniker of 8 DS God Serena useless? What's the point of giving him 8 DS magic if you're only going to show 4? Technically 5 if you count the sparks as lightning DS.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Anyone else find the moniker of 8 DS God Serena useless? What's the point of giving him 8 DS magic if you're only going to show 4? Technically 5 if you count the sparks as lightning DS.

I mean look at August. King of Magic but he is a copy cat.
Dimaria Warrior Queen my ass. She is the Queen of Stripping.

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Jacob assasin but can't look at boobs.

 

[Ramen]

I mean look at August. King of Magic but he is a copy cat.
Dimaria Warrior Queen my ass. She is the Queen of Stripping.

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Jacob assasin but can't look at boobs.

The copy hax was the reason why he's the king of magic. The rest are irrelevant to my original post because with Dimaria and Jacob we saw the full extent of their powers.

We saw 5/8 DSM for GS. What's the point of the other 3.