Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Demon Hunter]

I'd say it's more likely that Erza simply activates Wendy's enchantments like she did on the ship against Kyria, not that she actually performs the magic transfer onto the swords herself. As I understand it the direct translation for Erza's statement was "passed down from Wendy" not Wendy directly taught me(why say Wendy directly taught her, thats a weird statement) but you know jap right? What's it actually say?

on ship, Erza only used her DS sword but her guild mark didn't change

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in her fight against Laxus, she used Dragon Seal and DS sword

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her guild mark changed.

hm if Gray and Lucy don't reactivate their Dragon Seal then that means Wendy had to give Erza that before the fight or something.

even if she somehow did taught her, it was fast asf.

was it even a week after Merc arc???

I know they rested a day or two before going after Aldoron but I doubt they trained.

 

[Kiki]

I'd say it's more likely that Erza simply activates Wendy's enchantments like she did on the ship against Kyria, not that she actually performs the magic transfer onto the swords herself. As I understand it the direct translation for Erza's statement was "passed down from Wendy" not Wendy directly taught me(why say Wendy directly taught her, thats a weird statement) but you know jap right? What's it actually say?

ah you mean something like a prep done pre-battle right? activation kinda makes sense

in the JP ver, it's same as what Laxus said when he cast jutsu shiki during Wall fight

 

[sharkai]

Seems like foreshadowing her two new swords to me

Simple, because even with her DS seal Laxus was smacking her around. And without it, Laxus was still smacking her around.

But if erza already knew laxus is far above her like you guys believe, being smacked around wouldnt shock erza at all.

Not really, we don't know if she can do it without Wendy's seal, we don't know if she needed Natsu and Gray to give her power before hand to put in those swords, we don't know if the correct translation is that Wendy did it or Erza did it, all thats said is that its passed down from Wendy. As for giving the benefit of the doubt, no it's your "style" to always give it to Erza, which is what you're doing by saying "Outside help is already determined".

So what are you saying, i am giving benefit of doubt to erza, by saying this her powers now.
Cana kept fairy glitter
Natsu kept lightening
Gajeel shadow
Gray kept demon slayer magic

But erza keeping this is me giving her benefit of doubt?

She lost because of damage, which is why she's still unconscious.

Except thats you, it's always been you. You always ignore hype for Laxus, and you always take hype for Erza at face value, shown perfectly in this argument. Don't pretend you have EVER taken stuff like the Jura hype into consideration, or that you have EVER failed to put forth an Erza hype as truth. It's simply never happened. You never followed anything, this is what you've done from the start and you questioning why Gl Nova would ignore an Erza statement and believe a Laxus statement is laughable.

Sure, except Laxus is stronger of course, how much so has yet to be determined.

Lol
What erza hype do i accept without question? I am doing it now, because you people have been wanking laxus for years, based on just that.

Erza fell because loss of magic, thats what in the manga.

You still havent figured out even though its in the manga, laxus is barely stronger than erza. Its already in the manga

But i think you believe its like tenrou lfd natsu. Erza got boost like that? Not like gmg lfd which basically is natsu own power

I forgot in old post
Belserion sword is not a big boost like red lightening.
Why
Well, i normally judge power if one attack over powers another attack, which i believei fair. I cant for example judge fire and ice sword. But i can judge blumblatt.
Erza blumblatt stalemated laxus reiko red lightening. No belserion sword here. Unless of course you are now claiming ds seal is a big boost (again not mentioned anywhere in the manga)

 

[Seven777]

But if erza already knew laxus is far above her like you guys believe, being smacked around wouldnt shock erza at all.


So what are you saying, i am giving benefit of doubt to erza, by saying this her powers now.
Cana kept fairy glitter
Natsu kept lightening
Gajeel shadow
Gray kept demon slayer magic

But erza keeping this is me giving her benefit of doubt?




Lol
What erza hype do i accept without question? I am doing it now, because you people have been wanking laxus for years, based on just that.

Erza fell because loss of magic, thats what in the manga.

You still havent figured out even though its in the manga, laxus is barely stronger than erza. Its already in the manga

But i think you believe its like tenrou lfd natsu. Erza got boost like that? Not like gmg lfd which basically is natsu own power

I forgot in old post
Belserion sword is not a big boost like red lightening.
Why
Well, i normally judge power if one attack over powering another attack, which i believei fair. I cant for example judge fire and ice sword. But i can judge blumblatt.
Erza blumblatt stalemated laxus reiko red lightening. No belserion sword here. Unless of course you are now claiming ds seal is a big boost (again not mentioned anywhere in the manga)

Yeah, even that, it's hype, like always. Erza is always shocked whenever anyone does anything. Sand World, Command T, Historia, Broken Bones, Deus Sema, etc.

Yes? thats you giving her the benefit of the doubt.

Off the top of my head? Makarov saying Erza might possibly stand a chance against Laxus back in the day. Eileen's meteor being impossible for a human to stop(you even said August couldn't do it lol). Eileen's meteor wiping out everyone on the battlefield. The 100 GMG monsters having a wizard saint tier monster. Then there's all the stuff you willingly disregard in order to make Erza look better, Gajeel being Phantoms strongest, Natsu being stronger after he fought Aria, Erza's own statements about her power, etc.
So no, you are doing it now because that's what you have always done, and what you always will do. You are doing it now, because wanking Erza is what you have done for years. You're doing it now, because double standards are your bread and butter. All the Erza hate, and all the Laxus wank is just in your head.

Didn't really understand your LFD parts, but I do think Erza will continue to have access to these swords. The only question is if she needs Wendy for it.

Blumentbatt was incinerated by Raiko and the result of that clash was Erza's loss. As for the DS seal, it let her go from getting blasted by a nameless lightning punch while in her lightning res armor, to walking through a roar(which also had her screaming in pain pre Seal), don't really need a statement for any of that.

 

[sharkai]

Yeah, even that, it's hype, like always. Erza is always shocked whenever anyone does anything. Sand World, Command T, Historia, Broken Bones, Deus Sema, etc.

Yes? thats you giving her the benefit of the doubt.

ok

Off the top of my head? Makarov saying Erza might possibly stand a chance against Laxus back in the day. Eileen's meteor being impossible for a human to stop(you even said August couldn't do it lol). Eileen's meteor wiping out everyone on the battlefield. The 100 GMG monsters having a wizard saint tier monster. Then there's all the stuff you willingly disregard in order to make Erza look better, Gajeel being Phantoms strongest, Natsu being stronger after he fought Aria, Erza's own statements about her power, etc.
So no, you are doing it now because that's what you have always done, and what you always will do. You are doing it now, because wanking Erza is what you have done for years. You're doing it now, because double standards are your bread and butter. All the Erza hate, and all the Laxus wank is just in your head.

Lol
There is no comparison between laxus and erza. So thinking markarov might be right, isnt that weird. How would i know who was stronger between them. Thats not hype for erza. We were never yold then whethet laxus is stronger or not

Nice. August maybe can stop deus sema, with his own top tier move. It will look like laxus and erza final exchange. But august just doesnt have any power feat.
That was what Eileen said, basically i believe Eileen and august are like gmg jura. Gmg jura strongest move will cause huge problem in gmg for nornal folks, same here.
S class monster hype i believe along with jura ws tier rank. If you have pushed i would agreed that s class monster is not ws tier and gmg jura is not 5 th rank. A hype for a hype

I thought feats are above statements. Blinded aria low diff natsu. Gajeel lost natsu. I have always said aria might be weaker than gajeel but difference isnt gonna be that much. Wrecked erza can one shot aria, erza should be able to do the same to gajeel

Natsu becoming stronger in arc is easy to claim, but it makes no sense.
Post phantom natsu>Gajeel>Aria>Blindef aria >Pre phaton natsu = pre phantom gray

Post phantom natsu would be tiers above gray if i agreed to your claim

Erza own statement power. Her saying natsu is ss strong as her or stronger. She did same thing in ff arc thinking natdu can handle laxus (portrayal were exact opposite, remember OS first appearance)

Didn't really understand your LFD parts, but I do think Erza will continue to have access to these swords. The only question is if she needs Wendy for it.

Tenrou lfd natsu power wasnt his own
Gmg lfd natsu power were natsu own.
You think erza new power up is like tenrou arc natsu. Someone else mp?
Does cana always need mavis for fairy glitter

Blumentbatt was incinerated by Raiko and the result of that clash was Erza's loss. As for the DS seal, it let her go from getting blasted by a nameless lightning punch while in her lightning res armor, to walking through a roar(which also had her screaming in pain pre Seal), don't really need a statement for any of that.

So ds seal made her resistance to laxus magic?

Hold on
Erza lost this clash?

You are saying this is not stalemate?

 

[Seven777]

ok



Lol
There is no comparison between laxus and erza. So thinking markarov might be right, isnt that weird. How would i know who was stronger between them. Thats not hype for erza. We were never yold then whethet laxus is stronger or not

Nice. August maybe can stop deus sema, with his own top tier move. It will look like laxus and erza final exchange. But august just doesnt have any power feat.
That was what Eileen said, basically i believe Eileen and august are like gmg jura. Gmg jura strongest move will cause huge problem in gmg for nornal folks, same here.
S class monster hype i believe along with jura ws tier rank. If you have pushed i would agreed that s class monster is not ws tier and gmg jura is not 5 th rank. A hype for a hype

I thought feats are above statements. Blinded aria low diff natsu. Gajeel lost natsu. I have always said aria might be weaker than gajeel but difference isnt gonna be that much. Wrecked erza can one shot aria, erza should be able to do the same to gajeel

Natsu becoming stronger in arc is easy to claim, but it makes no sense.
Post phantom natsu>Gajeel>Aria>Blindef aria >Pre phaton natsu = pre phantom gray

Post phantom natsu would be tiers above gray if i agreed to your claim

Erza own statement power. Her saying natsu is ss strong as her or stronger. She did same thing in ff arc thinking natdu can handle laxus (portrayal were exact opposite, remember OS first appearance)

You can argue the validity all you want, it doesn't really matter to my overall point. You asked me for Erza hype that you believe, I provided that. This section here is basically you just agreeing with every. Single. One. Of them. Just like I said. Did you want me to also provide you with Laxus hype that you've denied? I can do that too, I think we both know how thats playing out. So I say again, you asking why GL Nova believes Laxus hype and not Erza hype, is laughable, because you do the same for Erza every single time.

Tenrou lfd natsu power wasnt his own
Gmg lfd natsu power were natsu own.
You think erza new power up is like tenrou arc natsu. Some else mp?

No idea. The method through which she acquired that power is the same as how Natsu got 7 Dragon Slayer mode. Can Natsu do that again? Maybe, can Erza? Maybe. Like I said, yet to be determined.

Hold on
Erza lost this clash?

You are saying this is not stalemate?

Did you not see her literally sizzling body drop to the floor? I did. So yeah, she lost.

 

[sharkai]

You can argue the validity all you want, it doesn't really matter to my overall point. You asked me for Erza hype that you believe, I provided that. This section here is basically you just agreeing with every. Single. One. Of them. Just like I said. Did you want me to also provide you with Laxus hype that you've denied? I can do that too, I think we both know how thats playing out. So I say again, you asking why GL Nova believes Laxus hype and not Erza hype, is laughable, because you do the same for Erza every single time.

No idea. The method through which she acquired that power is the same as how Natsu got 7 Dragon Slayer mode. Can Natsu do that again? Maybe, can Erza? Maybe. Like I said, yet to be determined.

Did you not see her literally sizzling body drop to the floor? I did. So yeah, she lost.

First one is not a hype
Second is strongest enemy hype
Third i somewhat believe but not as much as you
S monster hype with jura hype



Sigh
Unlike laxus fans like you, i give weight to things
Which does not just relay on my favorite
I dont believe in enemy hype compared to good guys
So juvia is not equal to laxus, even though that was the hype in phantom arc (just like you)
Jura cant take erza and and mira at the same time, hype in gng (unlike you)
Nienhart cant low diff laxus, springgan hype (just like you)

And i dont think erza can causally kill a character who can give natsu a high diff fight(just like you)
Same for laxus and erza (unlike you)
You are the one who makes exceptions

Not really
You and others in your fan club believes laxus hype without question. You dont need anything
Here you are also ignoring erza hype, but the moment laxus hype comes along you starts drooling.
Forget about me, why do you keep ignoring laxus statement, asking erza to stop holding back. Why are you ignoring the moment laxus says that, the match seems even (far from laxus smacking erza around). Didnt you say you believes what in the manga, unless proven otherwise. Why the change now.


After the clash, arent they both standing in the same place. Yes, she got tired and fell after that, but the clash seems even, no? You are saying laxus won this clash and erza fell because reiko did damage. I see.
So red lightening laxus overpowers erza with ds seal
Is ds seal a power up?

 

[Ratrace]

he didn't.

Laxus said to Jura it's between of them. Jura just hit Laxus insanely hard (and a clear one) while Laxus was in high speed attack.

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he wasn't on the floor even that long. the anime made it look like it took him 5 minutes LOL.

people really call everything BS and PoF this days to fit their argument.
I mean, I can't believe people see this as BS

the fight is since it was off paneled and went right to finisher.


she probably thought she is too strong hence Hypnosis worked on her.

I mean, she openly said that Natsu beat Acnologia to the point Natsu himself had to say that everyone worked hard to beat Acnologia.

They are some BS fights in FT but personally Laxus vs. Jura is no where near as bad as some

 

[Seven777]

Sigh
Unlike laxus fans like you, i give weight to things
Which does not just relay on my favorite
I dont believe in enemy hype compared to good guys
So juvia is not equal to laxus, even though that was the hype in phantom arc (just like you)
Jura cant take erza and and mira at the same time, hype in gng (unlike you)
Nienhart cant low diff laxus, springgan hype (just like you)

And i dont think erza can causally kill a character who can give natsu a high diff fight(just like you)
Same for laxus and erza (unlike you)
You are the one who makes exceptions

Not really
You and others in your fan club believes laxus hype without question. You dont need anything
Here you are also ignoring erza hype, but the moment laxus hype comes along you starts drooling.
Forget about me, why do you keep ignoring laxus statement, asking erza to stop holding back. Why are you ignoring the moment laxus says that, the match seems even (far from laxus smacking erza around). Didnt you say you believes what in the manga, unless proven otherwise. Why the change now.


After the clash, arent they both standing in the same place. Yes, she got tired and fell after that, but the clash seems even, no? You are saying laxus won this clash and erza fell because reiko did damage. I see.
So red lightening laxus overpowers erza with ds seal
Is ds seal a power up?

Lol, "fanclub", "drooling", "believing Laxus hype without question" coming from the guy who literally just proved that he believes every single piece of Erza hype? While also denying Laxus hype? But you're right, I don't need anything, because you're pointlessly arguing random items that have nothing to do with my actual argument. You believe Erza hype, you deny Laxus hype, you've always done this, so why are you questioning GL Nova for doing the same? Because you're a hypocrite. For all your talk about how unfairly the fanbase treats Laxus and Erza, in reality it's you who does ALL of that, except even more extreme than what you accuse us of lol, which is why almost every single comment you make on this forum is about Laxus and/or Erza.

Sure, even, apart from Erza's smoking body dropping to the floor and Blumenbatt getting erased.
Yes.

 

[sharkai]

Off the top of my head? Makarov saying Erza might possibly stand a chance against Laxus back in the day. Eileen's meteor being impossible for a human to stop(you even said August couldn't do it lol). Eileen's meteor wiping out everyone on the battlefield. The 100 GMG monsters having a wizard saint tier monster. Then there's all the stuff you willingly disregard in order to make Erza look better, Gajeel being Phantoms strongest, Natsu being stronger after he fought Aria, Erza's own statements about her power, etc.
So no, you are doing it now because that's what you have always done, and what you always will do. You are doing it now, because wanking Erza is what you have done for years. You're doing it now, because double standards are your bread and butter. All the Erza hate, and all the Laxus wank is just in your head.

I think this requires a separate response
A little clearer one

Erza and laxus comparison in ff arc. They were never compared before. Is saying aldron is equal or around vernes, hype for aldron? We had no way to compare them, default is agree to the statement.
This is not hype for erzs.
So does not come in category of hype being believed without question (eg jura can take mira and erza at the same time or laxus nuke on ajeel)

Eileen deus sema like bluenote black hole or gmg jura mt Fuji. No one other than top guys can stop it. With alot of problem. Everyone believes this including you, unless erza is involved

S class monster being ws tier. I believe this along with jura being 5th ws tier. Why should i believe one hype and not the other?

I believe gajeel might have been slightly stronger than aria, so i believe this hype. (So should not be in the disregard list)

Erza statement about natsu in phantom arc and ff arc. I dont believe either. You believe only one

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Lol, "fanclub", "drooling", "believing Laxus hype without question" coming from the guy who literally just proved that he believes every single piece of Erza hype? While also denying Laxus hype? But you're right, I don't need anything, because you're pointlessly arguing random items that have nothing to do with my actual argument. You believe Erza hype, you deny Laxus hype, you've always done this, so why are you questioning GL Nova for doing the same? Because you're a hypocrite. For all your talk about how unfairly the fanbase treats Laxus and Erza, in reality it's just what you've done in reverse and not even as extreme, which is why almost every single comment you make on this forum is about Laxus and/or Erza.

Sure, even, apart from Erza's smoking body dropping to the floor and Blumenbatt getting erased.
Yes.

Because saying laxus cant one shot aconologia makes people like you foam at the mouth. Its amusing.
Nothing else gets that reaction

Na, you are mis representative my position and making sh!t out of your a$$
Something you like to do alot

 

[Seven777]

I think this requires a separate response
A little clearer one

Erza and laxus comparison in ff arc. They were never compared before. Is saying aldron is equal or around vernes, hype for aldron? We had no way to compare them, default is agree to the statement.
This is not hype for erzs.
So does not come in category of hype being believed without question (eg jura can take mira and erza at the same time or laxus nuke on ajeel)

Eileen deus sema like bluenote black hole or gmg jura mt Fuji. No one other than top guys can stop it. With alot of problem. Everyone believes this including you, unless erza is involved

S class monster being ws tier. I believe this along with jura being 5th ws tier. Why should i believe one hype and not the other?

I believe gajeel might have been slightly stronger than aria, so i believe this hype. (So should not be in the disregard list)

Erza statement about natsu in phantom arc and ff arc. I dont believe either. You believe only one

Alright, scratch Gajeel, I'm glad you've seen reason, the rest you believe. Oh and justifying your beliefs doesn't change that you believe it, so I dont really care

Because saying laxus cant one shot aconologia makes people like you foam at the mouth. Its amusing.
Nothing else gets that reaction

Na, you are mis representative my position and making sh!t out of your a$$
Something you like to do alot

Yep, that's what I thought. Can't even remember how many times you've made the old "Laxus oneshots Acno" comment.

You're position is clear, if it wasn't clear by %95 of your comments being trashing Laxus and/or hyping Erza, it'd be clear by the question you put to GL Nova being so incredibly applicable to yourself. You pretending that this is a new thing for you is also laughable, you were just "following us Laxus fans" right? Haha, get outa here.

 

[atlantisreturns]

Props to my boi @Jean Grey for noticing that minor detail about Erza's guild mark glowing man. I also missed it.

 

[sharkai]

Alright, scratch Gajeel, I'm glad you've seen reason, the rest you believe. Oh and justifying your beliefs doesn't change that you believe it, so I dont really care


Yep, that's what I thought. Can't even remember how many times you've made the old "Laxus oneshots Acno" comment.

You're position is clear, if it wasn't clear by %95 of your comments being trashing Laxus and/or hyping Erza, it'd be clear by the question you put to GL Nova being so incredibly applicable to yourself. You pretending that this is a new thing for you is also laughable, you were just "following us Laxus fans" right? Haha, get outa here.

You are one who keeps running after me.

Let me make it clear, so you can stop creating confusion

I believe majority of the hypes, just like most people.
Some i am not 100% behind, just like most people

But there are two, which i disagree with. Because they have no supporting point before or after.
Those two coincidently are laxus fans, including yours favorite.
1) jura can take erza and mira at the same time
Problem: jura has shown nothing of sort, before or after the statement. He has never taken two people at the same time. Let alone someone as strong as erza. He sneak attacked ichiya, and even orga never challenged him to a fight, so technically that wasnt a fight either.
2) laxus can causally one shot kill ajeel
Problem: laxus has shown nothing of sort before and after this statement. Yes, he kinda one shot killed wahl. But it was laxus strongest move, plus pof plus wahl was wide open (on purpose). Jellal who people believe is laxus equal, couldnt kill nienhart with his angry GC.

Laxus fans believe in them more than any other hype. These hype will be literally used as feats. Go back in this thread, people will be talking about how laxus easily one shot ajeel.

Now shouldn't i have a problem when statement like these are accepted but the one laxus made now (erza holding back) is ignored to extent that they dont think this is something to talk about.

Lets talk about @Seven777
Remember laxus first time use of red lightening. Laxus fans were like, this is not bs, laxus trained specifically for an attack that wahl couldnt recharge himself with (unlike bais person like me who was laughing my head off when erza offed kyouka)
Now wahl is machina
Who is weak to lightening
Wahl is immune to lightening because he redirects lightening to charge himself.
He is not immune to red lightening
So he might be weak to it. Maybe not
There is a possibility right?
According @Seven777 its not even a possibility. If wahl can't charge with red lightening so that means red lightening doesn't have lightening property at all thus, there no chance of wahl being super weak to it.
He doesn't at all thinks anything is possible that doesn't show laxus even in a better light

Meanwhile he believes again, without any shadow of doubt that erza needs wendy natsu and gray to power her. Hell even ds seal has a become a power up now.
Please, can anyone tell me where it is indicated ds seal boost one person power.

Look here he notes erza fell because of injuries from reiko. Run out of power nope

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And here he notes that pantherlily only lost because of time

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I might be bais person, with severe hatred of laxus (not because its most fun to talk agaisnt popular ideas) but i need slightly less bias person than @Seven777 To show me that

 

[Ramen]

Erza still lost the fight.

 

[grey matter]

It also makes no sense in the first place. Enchantment magic is transferring magic that exists into something else, which is why Eileen needed Belserion to create Dragon Slayers. For Erza to enchant those new swords herself, even if she knew how to do it without Wendy, would mean that she already possessed DS magic and DeS magic, unless she's so good she's already better than Eileen and can just create DS magic

This is exactly what I've been saying here for like 10-20 posts lmao

They're EXTERNAL boosts. Erza may or may not know enchantment herself, that's irrelevant. What is relevant is that she DOES NOT HAVE Ice DeS magic or Fire DrS magic. Which means those swords were obviously pre-prep'd with Natsu's and Gray's powers before the fight happened, it's logical since the scenario demands it (facing Dragon Gods, Dragon Eaters etc, they need to prepare everything they can)
We also know for a fact that the source of Dragon Seal, and Dragon Slaying Benizakura sword is Wendy.

Oh, but apparently I'm just reaching when I claim these are external boosts. lul

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ah you mean something like a prep done pre-battle right? activation kinda makes sense

in the JP ver, it's same as what Laxus said when he cast jutsu shiki during Wall fight

Exactly

 

[Kiki]

This is exactly what I've been saying here for like 10-20 posts lmao

They're EXTERNAL boosts. Erza may or may not know enchantment herself, that's irrelevant. What is relevant is that she DOES NOT HAVE Ice DeS magic or Fire DrS magic. Which means those swords were obviously pre-prep'd with Natsu's and Gray's powers before the fight happened, it's logical since the scenario demands it (facing Dragon Gods, Dragon Eaters etc, they need to prepare everything they can)
We also know for a fact that the source of Dragon Seal, and Dragon Slaying Benizakura sword is Wendy.

Oh, but apparently I'm just reaching when I claim these are external boosts. lul

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Exactly

yes, external boosts. not to mention in the manga Erza hoped that Natsu and Gray were there and then poof in the next chapters she had their power

 

[grey matter]

Jellal was not shown superior. Sema shocked jura that is all
Jura was portrayed above laxus
Wahl was immune to laxus. And laxus had magic eating cancer
Kiria hax had nothing to do with power.

You are basing it with very little data. Erza vs laxus has ton more, and yet there is more confusion.

Erza normally doesnt fight anyone above her. Till now only irene fits the bill.
Would you have been happier if koyoka hax didnt work on erza because she cares for her nakama (laxus vs kiria in a nut shell). Erza got alot fight against haxy character, and sadky their hax works on erza. Laxus gets lucky, he doesnt have to deal with hax

The moment Jellal got serious, he immediately got the upper hand against Jura. He blitzed him multiple times; and his default go to move - Grand Chariot, required Jura's most defensive spell shown till date, to be blocked. And Jellal still had to play safe in order to not expose himself.
Makarov was also fairly confident that Jellal could take on Jura.
Jellal certainly had the same portrayal Jura had, if not more.

Wahl vs Laxus, I already agree with you on this one that it's BS. Why are you still bringing it up lol. Also, red lighting affecting Wahl itself wasn't BS, because around that time, some mercury fulminate explanation was floating around, and it being corrosive made it super effective on Wahl whose body has lots of metal......if it's just regular lightning, that would be BS.
What's BS here is Laxus pulling it out of his ass, out of nowhere.

I'd assume it has, what Laxus said afterwards was the typical FT speech. Like how Erza said : "you can't cut our bonds" and immediately whipped out DS sword against Kyria, even tho 'bonds' had nothing to do with her DS sword, it's just Wendy enchanting her swords lol. FT characters make un-necessary family/friend/bond remarks always, I don't take them as literal explanations for the most part.
But it's fine if you assume otherwise as well. It's just different interpretations.

Yes, data is little. But from what we've seen, Jura was superior to Laxus in combat, but Laxus won. He basically out lasted Jura here.

Azuma was above her, still she beat him. But at least there was kinda some explanation. I don't mind it too much and he still was in the same tier.
Buff'd Kyouka completely rekt relatively healthy Erza with swords and amrour, including red pants IIRC. Erza didn't even have a chance there. Clearly, buffed Kyouka (without hax) >>> "normal" Erza. Kyouka THEN (after stomping all her swords and armours) went onto increase pain sensitivity, and take away her senses. But, since then, relatively heavily injured Erza, without senses, with extreme pain intolerance, and without swords and armour; punched her way to victory. WTFFF? Literally Mary Sue, you could reduce her to mere skeleton and she's still win.
Eileen, you already agree.
No, Id' rather have some logical counter or no broken hax. I'd even rather have the hax fail all together, than what happened there. And even without hax, Kyouka was much stronger than 'normal' (i.e no BS) Erza as I explained before

 

[Seven777]

You are one who keeps running after me.

Let me make it clear, so you can stop creating confusion

I believe majority of the hypes, just like most people.
Some i am not 100% behind, just like most people

But there are two, which i disagree with. Because they have no supporting point before or after.
Those two coincidently are laxus fans, including yours favorite.
1) jura can take erza and mira at the same time
Problem: jura has shown nothing of sort, before or after the statement. He has never taken two people at the same time. Let alone someone as strong as erza. He sneak attacked ichiya, and even orga never challenged him to a fight, so technically that wasnt a fight either.
2) laxus can causally one shot kill ajeel
Problem: laxus has shown nothing of sort before and after this statement. Yes, he kinda one shot killed wahl. But it was laxus strongest move, plus pof plus wahl was wide open (on purpose). Jellal who people believe is laxus equal, couldnt kill nienhart with his angry GC.

Laxus fans believe in them more than any other hype. These hype will be literally used as feats. Go back in this thread, people will be talking about how laxus easily one shot ajeel.

Now shouldn't i have a problem when statement like these are accepted but the one laxus made now (erza holding back) is ignored to extent that they dont think this is something to talk about.

Lets talk about @Seven777
Remember laxus first time use of red lightening. Laxus fans were like, this is not bs, laxus trained specifically for an attack that wahl couldnt recharge himself with (unlike bais person like me who was laughing my head off when erza offed kyouka)
Now wahl is machina
Who is weak to lightening
Wahl is immune to lightening because he redirects lightening to charge himself.
He is not immune to red lightening
So he might be weak to it. Maybe not
There is a possibility right?
According @Seven777 its not even a possibility. If wahl can't charge with red lightening so that means red lightening doesn't have lightening property at all thus, there no chance of wahl being super weak to it.
He doesn't at all thinks anything is possible that doesn't show laxus even in a better light

Meanwhile he believes again, without any shadow of doubt that erza needs wendy natsu and gray to power her. Hell even ds seal has a become a power up now.
Please, can anyone tell me where it is indicated ds seal boost one person power.

Look here he notes erza fell because of injuries from reiko. Run out of power nope

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And here he notes that pantherlily only lost because of time

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I might be bais person, with severe hatred of laxus (not because its most fun to talk agaisnt popular ideas) but i need slightly less bias person than @Seven777 To show me that

"Just like most people" yes, quite so, most people do buy into some hype and not others and yet even so, when GL Nova and whoever else does exactly that the first thing you do is always do is cry LAXUS DROOL or EVERYONE HATES ERZA or YOU'RE ALL SO BIASED. Instead of acknowledging the point you used to defend yourself just now, that "most people buy some hype and not others". Which is why I'm "always running after you", because you're a hypocrite. So bring up as many random arguments I previously made as you want (Red Lightning is a particular good argument if I do say so myself, and you literally posted a manga panel making the Pantherlily one), it doesn't matter, because at the end of the day I have always maintained that I buy some hype and not others and always maintained that everything I, and everyone else on this forum says, is opinion.

Anyway, I do appreciate you acknowledging your bias and hatred for Laxus, we all knew it of course but hearing you say it is oh so sweet. You throwing this argument out to the public was pretty hilarious too. Continue with your fantasy that people treat Laxus better than Erza, I'll continue to call you out on your nonsense when the mood strikes me.

 

[Ramen]

"Just like most people" yes, quite so, most people do buy into some hype and not others and yet even so, when GL Nova and whoever else does exactly that the first thing you do is always do is cry LAXUS DROOL or EVERYONE HATES ERZA or YOU'RE ALL SO BIASED. Instead of acknowledging the point you used to defend yourself just now, that "most people buy some hype and not others". Which is why I'm "always running after you", because you're a hypocrite. So bring up as many random arguments I previously made as you want (Red Lightning is a particular good argument if I do say so myself, and you literally posted a manga panel making the Pantherlily one), it doesn't matter, because at the end of the day I have always maintained that I buy some hype and not others and always maintained that everything I, and everyone else on this forum says, is opinion.

Anyway, I do appreciate you acknowledging your bias and hatred for Laxus, we all knew it of course but hearing you say it is oh so sweet. You throwing this argument out to the public was pretty hilarious too. Continue with your fantasy that people treat Laxus better than Erza, I'll continue to call you out on your nonsense when the mood strikes me.

Soooooo DF Natsu vs Gray hehehe

 

[Seven777]

Soooooo DF Natsu vs Gray hehehe

Gray wins