Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

Which side are you on?

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Spriggans are fodder. Erza went toe to toe with a top tier spriggan. Laxus oneshot one and was stated to oneshot another. Gildarts made the strongest commit suicide. Gray brutalized one in base. Gajeel beat one to death with only his fists. Natsu treated one so casually, that he wouldn't go all out til he left the guild hall. Brandish got oneshot 3 times. Even Mirajane beat the shit out of one as a human and then oneshot him as a demon. Even friggin Sting beat one. The only spriggan who's reputation is in tact, is God Serena and thats only because he got killed by Acno.
The manga doesnt agree with your assessment. You can keep arguing for how you would have them win, but that’s not what happened. I mean hell, Wahl thought he needed Etherion, a country lvl attack, to kill an already dying Laxus.Again, why should we accept your opinion over the Spriggan?
This. Spriggans lost the way they lost. Sick of people saying how they could've won, when the spriggans themselves don't even attempt to win that way. Either they're too stupid to attempt it, which is just as much of a weakness as lower MP, or they're simply not capable.
 

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No, he was literally looking at Laxus and launching an attack when Laxus countered. He was surprised by how powerful the attack was, not by being attacked. That’s a super weak lie. An again, why should we believe Ajeel’s bluster (after being embarassed & saves) over the General of the Spriggan & King of Magic’s assessment? Nobody ever has a real reason we should doubt August’s reasoning.

What are you talking about? It wasn’t stated they all had the same MP, it was stated they were all comparable to Brandish (who to date is the weakest ). Laxus has enough power that August thought he needed to save Ajeel, and that a dying Laxus was still too much for Wahl to overpower even with immunity to his magic. I don’t know how you can watch him slap a mid tier Spriggan around and try and act like his MP was below them.

The manga doesnt agree with your assessment. You can keep arguing for how you would have them win, but that’s not what happened. I mean hell, Wahl thought he needed Etherion, a country lvl attack, to kill an already dying Laxus.Again, why should we accept your opinion over the Spriggan?

Gray was strong enough to trap Zeref. An Zeref himself thought that Jellal & Laxus were strong enough to get past the fully assembled Spriggan 12 and reach him ready to fight. Again the opinion of an Archmage, and master of magic who was clear that he had extensively researched FT beforehand...

I was gunna keep going, but your insistence that FT is still Island lvl says all I need.
Show me one country level attack from anyone in the FT guild.
 

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Base Gray ain't fodder
 

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-Mashima gave Ichiya a reason to use lightning in the first place, easy
-Even you yourself are so overwhelmed by Etherions hype that you don't believe Wahl has the real deal, this point here is literally you arguing that lol.
-I don't have to have said Larcade before, as long as I say it now I'm above reproach as always. Never heard of being convinced by an argument lol?
-We know that Erza is weaker than Eileen, we know that Erza broke her bones blocking a lesser attack, we know that Erza said she would die if it hit her, we know that Mashima has made lesser characters break the spell before. Given that information I feel happy with the conclusion I came to, feel free to come up with your own reason for Erza busting Eileens strongest attack when she couldn't even block a casual claw swipe, mine remains as is.
-We know why Natsu was stronger against Gajeel than Aria, the manga states it outright.
-Eating a Roar<Secret Art. Minerva's attack didn't make Jura sweat, Sema made Jura sweat.
-Beating Jura puts Laxus' offense top tier. Kagura is not above Natsu or Tempester tier, in durability or anything else.
-I was talking about boss enemies. Natsu's regular enemies don't take especially many hits, other than Gajeel and Tempester, both known for their durability.
-Because imo oneshotting Wahl and being stated to be able to oneshot Ajeel>Wendy and Erza losing to Eileen and almost losing to Ajeel.
-Gray needed DeS advantage to take out Mard, normal attacks couldn't do shit. Nah, magic works on dragons all the time, even Aldron just got injured by Zeref. As for Acno, he's a dragon too. For Gildarts vs Zirconis, Gildarts wins imo.
Lol so for just that reason. Mishma made an entire species, made them weak to lightening. Then had wahl create an immunity system. Just for that lol.

Nope. People attack power isnt gonna be above their mp. Like you yourself aren't comparing wendy roar to aconologia roar. Same for wahl.

O convinced by an argument wow

Nothing about weakness of sema is mentioned in entire fairy tail. Irene clearly knew erza had no chance in hell of doing it. So the reason simple. That pof allowed erza to hit at level laxus cant ever hope to achieve. Same thing happened with natsu vs gajeel. I know you like to make exceptions to make character you hate weaker. But maybe you can still give me weakness of reiko red lightening. Fire dragon king roar weakness. Etherion weakness and 20 other spell weakness


Umm mate. Gajeel got up from that roar (pre ts laxus second strongest attack in a minute or two) (not including legendary fairy spells) jura didnt get up from that secret art (gmg laxus strongest attack). Pretty sure you have to get up to you know get a durability feat. Unless you rank tartarus Angel (probably around pre ts lucy tier) for eating a GC and Sema above jura durability.

Jura didnt see any move stronger than god war spell before in the tournament. I guess after jellal left he didnt expext someone this strong to be there. Kagira took that spell. Which spell did jura endure? Not blocked but took?

Dude you are shooting things out of nowhere. How do you know tempester has durability better than kagura? You are literally just making things up. Atleast give a valid reason why jura durability is above kagura. Before bring another character

Laxus one shot wahl after along fight. Not uncommon for side characters including erza. Maybe wahl durability is lissana tier. Remember wahl going full retard (or did you forgot that too). Remember laxus pof (or did you covered the panels you didnt like). Didnt gray kinda one shot rufus too, i also remember gray was at a disadvantaged against rufus no?
Wendy left after a while. Erza held her own after that. Sure she was alot more motivated. She just saw wendy being seriously harmed by irene (so definitely not the same mond set as she had in laxus vs erza and ajeel vs erza)
So you are basically saying gmg gray and gmg laxus were really close? Hmm

What? My question is gray only hit mard once with des right? And that was too much for mard. Gray tier characters like natsu couldnt do sh!t to mard.
In other words
Mard >>> gray
But due to des weakness gray could basically one shot mard
Did i get this right?
Now think about aconologia vs igneel.
Aconologia is immune to igneel magic because of that attribute thing. But igneel isnt
I think you believe
Aconologia > tartarus igneel
Then shouldn't aconologia had extreme low low diff igneel than. If he really had as much advantage as gray had against mard.
For normal dragons fighting each other. Its even worst. We would never know whether gildarts dragon wins or gray dragon wins

When does magiv work on dragon. I am talking about normal magic not hax.
Seriously comparing zeref curse to normal magic. That is even reaching for you.
The problem is we dont have any normal magic working on dragons. Thus it is a possibility that they arent super weak to ds.
 
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Lol so for just that reason. Mishma made an entire species, made them weak to lightening. Then had wahl create an immunity system. Just for that lol.

Nope. People attack power isnt gonna be above their mp. Like you yourself aren't comparing wendy roar to aconologia roar. Same for wahl.

O convinced by an argument wow

Nothing about weakness of sema is mentioned in entire fairy tail. Irene clearly knew erza had no chance in hell of doing it. So the reason simple. That pof allowed erza to hit at level laxus cant ever hope to achieve. Same thing happened with natsu vs gajeel. I know you like to make exceptions to make character you hate weaker. But maybe you can still give me weakness of reiko red lightening. Fire dragon king roar weakness. Etherion weakness and 20 other spell weakness


Umm mate. Gajeel got up from that roar (pre ts laxus second strongest attack in a minute or two) (not including legendary fairy spells) jura didnt get up from that secret art (gmg laxus strongest attack). Pretty sure you have to get up to you know get a durability feat. Unless you rank tartarus Angel (probably around pre ts lucy tier) for eating a GC and Sema above jura durability.

Jura didnt see any move stronger than god war spell before in the tournament. I guess after jellal left he didnt expext someone this strong to be there. Kagira took that spell. Which spell did jura endure? Not blocked but took?

Dude you are shooting things out of nowhere. How do you know tempester has durability better than kagura? You are literally just making things up. Atleast give a valid reason why jura durability is above kagura. Before bring another character

Laxus one shot wahl after along fight. Not uncommon for side characters including erza. Maybe wahl durability is lissana tier. Remember wahl going full retard (or did you forgot that too). Remember laxus pof (or did you covered the panels you didnt like). Didnt gray kinda one shot rufus too, i also remember gray was at a disadvantaged against rufus no?
Wendy left after a while. Erza held her own after that. Sure she was alot more motivated. She just saw wendy being seriously harmed by irene (so definitely not the same mond set as she had in laxus vs erza and ajeel vs erza)
So you are basically saying gmg gray and gmg laxus were really close? Hmm

What? My question is gray only hit mard once with des right? And that was too much for mard. Gray tier characters like natsu couldnt do sh!t to mard.
In other words
Mard >>> gray
But due to des weakness gray could basically one shot mard
Did i get this right?
Now think about aconologia vs igneel.
Aconologia is immune to igneel magic because of that attribute thing. But igneel isnt
I think you believe
Aconologia > tartarus igneel
Then shouldn't aconologia had extreme low low diff igneel than. If he really had as much advantage as gray had against mard.
For normal dragons fighting each other. Its even worst. We would never know whether gildarts dragon wins or gary dragon wins

When does magiv work on dragon. I am talking about normal magic not hax.
Seriously comparing zeref curse to normal magic. That is even reaching for you.
The problem is we dont have any normal magic working on dragons. Thus it is a possibility that they arent super weak to ds.
-The weak to lightning part, sure. The rest, not really.
-Then how did Cana beat Jura on the MPF?
-Yep, great ain't it.
-If that's the theory you want to go with then go right ahead, I'm sticking with mine, though I think yours played a part too.
-Gajeel was left helpless after the roar, that's why, just like no MP Laxus getting beat by Hades, them getting up later don't mean shit wasn't over.
-Nah, he was sweating from Fairy Glitter too. As for what Jura tanked, Mystogans spells, Meteor, Laxus punches.
-Didn't say Tempester's durability was better(I thinks this though), I said Kagura's wasn't above him.
-For why Jura's durability is better, hype, and he tanked Laxus' punches.
-Uh... no? Like I said, hype+feats. Laxus had hype of oneshotting a spriggan, and he had feats of the same. That impresses me more than Erza's performance against Ajeel or her performance against Eileen with Wendy. As for Gray and Rufus, no, he two shot him. He also beat Silver, so he was nearing Erza tier imo.
-Did Acnologia hit Igneel with DS magic? I didn't see it. Acno using his DS magic stole the souls of all the parent dragons.
-True, we'll never know if Gildarts could beat Zirconis. I'd say it'd be a high diff fight.
-Zeref turning Eileen into a human, Last Aegis, Rogue's control magic, Eclipse, etc.
 

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Nothing about weakness of sema is mentioned in entire fairy tail. Irene clearly knew erza had no chance in hell of doing it. So the reason simple. That pof allowed erza to hit at level laxus cant ever hope to achieve.
Wendy left after a while. Erza held her own after that. Sure she was alot more motivated. She just saw wendy being seriously harmed by irene (so definitely not the same mond set as she had in laxus vs erza and ajeel vs erza)
Erza's power is affect by her will and heart. When people's life is in Balance, her emotional power gives her a tremendeous boost. Her fight with Eileen showed the gap between classic power and her emotional boost or pof. At the begining, she was teaming up with Wendy and couldn't do anything to be close to Eileen's level, even with enchants. When Wendy felt, she realised that she had to fight to save Wendy. She has to win, if not, Eileen would take her defenseless body again. As you said, she was not in the same mood as like her fight with Laxus who is not a foe, but a friend. She was fighting in order to protect. When she was broken, Eileen, due to rage, wanted to exterminate her and everyone around with the deus sema. As you said again, Eileen clearly said that it is impossible for Erza to break through. To save everyone, she was like Kamikaze and pure magic bow. Laxus, as strong as he is, is nowhere near that level, even in his dreams.

Erza's power is in connexion with her will to fight or protect. Fighting like a strength contest against a friend or protect life's people is not the same way.

Erza's power is like super saiyan : in basic stance, a saiyan is powerful but not by far above other characters. When in rage, super saiyan tremendeously boost stats. Natsu is a character like Erza as well. Can you compare his power he used against his last fight vs Gajeel to the power he used to obliterate Fairy Heart Zeleph ? They (Erza and Natsu) wanted to save people the same way. Never Gajeel can't ever hope to achieve that level power, the same way as Laxus to Erza.
 

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I think Gray is being slightly overrated here. I love Gray but majority of his wins against top tiers are based on circumstance and not because he was stronger or as strong as his opponent.

Him being able to contend with END was due to his slayer advantage similar to how Wendy was able to contend with Zincornis despite being leagues weaker.
His fight against Silver and Invel was a win due to him being able to uses their Ice against them. Among other things like Silver giving up and Juvia's sacrifice.
His fight against Rufus was only won due to Rufus miscalculation.

I still think he is powerful just not as powerful as some claim. This actually goes for most characters though.

I mean power scaling in this series is hard because there isn't much consistency rather it be because of PIS or CIS. I mean when you have Natsu go from destroying Immortals bodies, burning away at infinite Magic and time, and one shotting Spriggan to not being able to defeat someone weaker than those things pretty much shows the inconsistency. I mean there are multiple instances of horrible power writing. I mean during the Elfman/Mirajane vs Skuliion/Madmole fight it was not only shown but also stated their attacks had no effect against the DE only to a couple chapters later using the same powers all of a sudden be super effective without any explanation.
 

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-Mashima gave Ichiya a reason to use lightning in the first place, easy
-Even you yourself are so overwhelmed by Etherions hype that you don't believe Wahl has the real deal, this point here is literally you arguing that lol.
-I don't have to have said Larcade before, as long as I say it now I'm above reproach as always. Never heard of being convinced by an argument lol?
-We know that Erza is weaker than Eileen, we know that Erza broke her bones blocking a lesser attack, we know that Erza said she would die if it hit her, we know that Mashima has made lesser characters break the spell before. Given that information I feel happy with the conclusion I came to, feel free to come up with your own reason for Erza busting Eileens strongest attack when she couldn't even block a casual claw swipe, mine remains as is.
-We know why Natsu was stronger against Gajeel than Aria, the manga states it outright.
-Eating a Roar<Secret Art. Minerva's attack didn't make Jura sweat, Sema made Jura sweat.
-Beating Jura puts Laxus' offense top tier. Kagura is not above Natsu or Tempester tier, in durability or anything else.
-I was talking about boss enemies. Natsu's regular enemies don't take especially many hits, other than Gajeel and Tempester, both known for their durability.
-Because imo oneshotting Wahl and being stated to be able to oneshot Ajeel>Wendy and Erza losing to Eileen and almost losing to Ajeel.
-Gray needed DeS advantage to take out Mard, normal attacks couldn't do shit. Nah, magic works on dragons all the time, even Aldron just got injured by Zeref. As for Acno, he's a dragon too. For Gildarts vs Zirconis, Gildarts wins imo.
Can you tell me the reason? That one had been bugging me for quite a while (like 9-10 years lmao). Natsu got stomped by someone weaker than Gajeel, how?
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Bro I already said that the top three were too much and couldn’t be soloed. And Ajeel flight Erza nerfed. Her magic was being affected by marin people forget that. And She fought neinhart while injured and btw neinhart? You mean The same neinhart who got low diffed by Jellal? You mean the same neinhart who get one shotted by BASE NATSU? That neinhart? Yeah not exactly threatening.

So yeah other then the top three and I guess Invel like I’ve said the others weren’t going to solo ft. Especially not people like neinhart and Ajeel. Btw like I said ajeel almost got destroyed by a sick Laxus. And you got it backwards ft was winning th war easily in the beginnin. Every first fight with the spriggan ended with the spriggans losing. Jacob, Ajeel, dimaria, bloodman, wall etc.

And sure maybe as a team they could have done something but it is what it is.
Ajeel didn't do much damage when Erza couldn't use her magic. He was playing around. You can re-read the chapters involving the fight, Erza barely had any injuries in that time. Vast majority of damage Ajeel did came AFTER Erza's magic came back. If anything, it's Erza who won with help.

Erza was way more inujured against Eileen than against Neinhart, so what does that make Eileen lol. Neinhart beat her clean. Neinhart without any summons got one shot by Jellal, pretty sure Neinhart is in the upper mid tiers if he's rated with his summons

Pretty sure God Serena can beat all good guys except Gildarts and DF Natsu

Invel actually low diff'd Gray inspite of Gray being a ice DeS. Invel won INSPITE of Gray having advantage.

Dimaria can no diff all good guys on whom her hax works (i.e, all except Natsu, Gildarts, Laxus, Jellal, darkness Gray, DF Gajeel and pof Erza). Same with Brandish and Jacob using their hax

Bradman is a walking hax.

Wahl is a solid mid tier Spriggan

Objectively speaking, Spriggans were quite powerful. But Mashima's retarded qriting fucked them over. Underwhelming that top tiers among good guys were on their level? Sure, I can agree to that.
 

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Can you tell me the reason? That one had been bugging me for quite a while (like 9-10 years lmao). Natsu got stomped by someone weaker than Gajeel, how?
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Ajeel didn't do much damage when Erza couldn't use her magic. He was playing around. You can re-read the chapters involving the fight, Erza barely had any injuries in that time. Vast majority of damage Ajeel did came AFTER Erza's magic came back. If anything, it's Erza who won with help.

Erza was way more inujured against Eileen than against Neinhart, so what does that make Eileen lol. Neinhart beat her clean. Neinhart without any summons got one shot by Jellal, pretty sure Neinhart is in the upper mid tiers if he's rated with his summons

Pretty sure God Serena can beat all good guys except Gildarts and DF Natsu

Invel actually low diff'd Gray inspite of Gray being a ice DeS. Invel won INSPITE of Gray having advantage.

Dimaria can no diff all good guys on whom her hax works (i.e, all except Natsu, Gildarts, Laxus, Jellal, darkness Gray, DF Gajeel and pof Erza). Same with Brandish and Jacob using their hax

Bradman is a walking hax.

Wahl is a solid mid tier Spriggan

Objectively speaking, Spriggans were quite powerful. But Mashima's retarded qriting fucked them over. Underwhelming that top tiers among good guys were on their level? Sure, I can agree to that.
To put simply, Natsu had a hidden reserve of power that he hadn't been using up until that point. After a pep talk from Erza he was able to activate that part of himself, and was from then on Gajeel tier.
 

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Show me one country level attack from anyone in the FT guild.
Laxus attacking Ajeel, Erza busting the meteor, Cana’s FL
 

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Regarding END. We can't know exactly how powerful he would be, But he would never get close to that of a high tier dragon like Igneel. So i'd say it's safe to say DF Natsu is stronger than END by huge margin.

END is just a demon and demons are not even close to be strong as low tier dragon. After all he is just a creation of Zeref, His powers can match that of Zeref's at max.
 

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In terms of sheer magic volume, the Spriggans have FT covered. It's really hard to scale them when, it battle, FT prevailed.

DF Natsu is definitely stronger than END in terms of battle prowesss. Pulverising Zeref > being stalemated by Gray.
 

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Laxus attacking Ajeel, Erza busting the meteor, Cana’s FL
How are any of those feats country level at all? Laxus's attack was big but only covered the region they were in. The meteor wasn't even that big and it would've destroyed the battlefield only. FL, don't get me started lol.
 

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I wouldn't say anyone in the Fairy Tail guild is country level, other than Fairy Heart Mavis using Etherion. However, Acnologia, 5 God Dragons, and some of the Spriggans are country level or stronger. Zeref is also really overpowered but that's mainly because of his hax, not his physical strength.
 
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Laxus attacking Ajeel, Erza busting the meteor, Cana’s FL
Laxus attack against Ajeel was only mountain level, Erza's attack was only large island (and that was when she was hyped off of PoF like Natsu against Zeref and Acno), and Cana's Fairy Law is City-Mountain Level from scale at best, but it is nowhere near Country level.

No one in the FT guild as of the 100YQ has country level DC or AP. The only one who does is Natsu when he boosts himself to God Tier with PoF bs or gets powered up from God tiers. But standard Natsu is only island level just like standard Erza is only island level.

PoF induced characters are also outliers as they cannot do these things under normal circumstances. This was show in the 100YQ where both were nerfed from their EoS selves.
 

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The god tiers of FT cap at continental maybe multi continental.

High tiers are country at most.

Anything above that is too much.
 

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To put simply, Natsu had a hidden reserve of power that he hadn't been using up until that point. After a pep talk from Erza he was able to activate that part of himself, and was from then on Gajeel tier.
Wtf? That's so retarded lmao. Did manga specifically state it?
 

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Wtf? That's so retarded lmao. Did manga specifically state it?
Meh, that's just how FT was back in the day. It happened to Gray against Lyon too, dude had an epiphany and suddenly jumped tiers. Lyon low diffed Natsu and Gray at the same time, but then comes Gray's epiphany and suddenly Lyon gets his ass beat in a 1v1 fight. Then there was Elfman having his epiphany in Phantom, jumping from below Element 4 tier to above. Then there is Erza doing the same against Ikaruga.

PoF was actually a permanent power up back in FTs early days, you realized something about yourself and your strength and you grew stronger because of it. Maybe it's still like that today, idk, doesn't feel as good though, probably because Mashima had already spent all the character development of his characters in their earlier PoF moments, leaving him only pointless friendship speeches to give them during their later power ups, I guess that's the price of a long running manga.
 
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