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What...You say please don’t compare...but you’re entire counter argument is an analysis in comparisons. Now, the only direct comparison other than their fight is the Hades battle, and again your argument relies on minimizing or ignoring it outright. All of Erza’s best feats are from battles that take place after a gauntlet of battles. This is no different. An we know they had recovered enough magic to expect to win. Now, we don’t need to give Laxus anything. We can directly compare how Laxus performed vs how the team of them performed. He did more damage and Hades displayed more power against Laxus than he had the entire fight so far. An it sets a precedent as this is the first time Erza see’s him fight and we have her admitting she didnt think he was this strong. There is absolutely no reason to ignore this other than that it continues the narrative that Laxus is above them. An sets up Laxus as an ace in the wing. A position he essentially fills for the rest of the manga until Gildarts is brought back into the fray.
Laxus has no feats like Meteor? He blitzed Acno, and is consistently shown as one of the faster characters in FT. Though for the record, I consistently give Jellal the nod speed wise over Laxus. It’s what makes it a good fight, Jellal is a faster & more versatile Wizard. As a for the rest, you really did all that work to break down how you think Racer & Jellal are comparable, but want to ignore the time they actually go at it? If we ignore the fact that Jellal literally embarassed Sawyer when they fought. How does Erza beating him in her speed armor help the argument that she’s anywhere close to Jellal? Jellal didn’t need Meteor to beat Erza. this line of deduction is false.
Huh? No proof, he knew his face and deepest secret. How would he know that if he was sleep? An we know it’s a direct power issue. Like a direct correlation. Exactly like him being a Jellal clone and his opinion of Erza being exceptionally high. An Makarov hoping she could do it, isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement. That sounds like, I hope she POF’s and pulls the win. Which isn’t an unreasonable hole by any means. People keep confusing Laxus is strong with Erza is weak. She’s a monster, she’s just the smaller monster.
It’s nothing like that. Nice try to obscure the point by pairing it with a ridiculous argument though.
I agree, those are great examples. An even with all her growth, Erza came up short. She lost, but found a new sense of peace for the future of her guild. I have no reason not to believe her. We’ve honestly debated that battle to death, but I’m always down for more.
Natsu has been the genuine heavy in their group since Tenrou. An has been portrayed as closing on her for a minute, but I already stated that they spent the series chasing her. How does this help your argument about being stronger than Laxus though?
Hanging out with the proof that she can also beat them so one-sidedly.
You must be joking, now it’s that she gave up? Hold this L bro. He outperformed her because he was supposed too. It’s his place in the story. His big return moment. Those are better excuses than she gave up.
They had a 3 way battle, then she gauntleted them. Solidly impressive, but not as good as beating a Gildarts tier opponent.
Great example. Laxus literally 1 shot the demon with the best vitality. An then was still shown capable of killing him in his best form, while literally dying from poison. After he shows himself equal to LFDM Natsu.
I think their all great examples hence the minor nitpicks painted as counter arguments. An yes, I follow all of it. I include the cannon side stories in my analysis too, because it’s all designed to be used that way. I see Mashima adding scenes that he meant to have in the manga as an absolute win.
I was following your logic, but your examples work well at establishing she’s stronger than Natsu. They don’t support the idea she’s stronger than Laxus. There are more statements comparing Laxus to Gildarts than to Erza. Your only salient point is Makarov saying she might be able to win. The rest is your headcannon. Nothing supports your arbitrary WS numbers. An nothing suggests she’s comparable to Jura, Laxus, & Jellal this arc. The only direct comparison outright stated she’s significantly weaker. An nothing suggests SO closes that gap.
Seriously my English must be really bad
I never said dont compare
I said not to compare in two cases
1) outdated villians
Tartarus racer is a fodder. Trying to compare this feat to os erza is pure bs. Natsu one shot alverzec bluenote does that mean
tenrou natsu >>>> tenrou gildarts
Tartarus gray without ds >> tartarus racer
Os racer > os gray
So dont do sh!t comparison
Keep in mind in alverzec arc, the following characters were not springgans tier (they fell back in power level)
Racer, cobra, hoteye, midnight, bluenote, rufus, rouge, sting, ogra, Minerva, kagura, jura etc
2) when one isnt 100%.
This is headcannon on your part. Why the hell would i consider them 100%.
Are you saying in the current battle we shouldnt think about kiria at all instead
Laxus l00% > holding back erza
Or in ff arc
natsu beat laxus. So we dont need look at past battle of laxus. Natsu beat laxus. So natsu > laxus?
Look in tenrou arc, gildarts after having fought less than erza couldnt even move. And yet erza is 100% lol
Seriously, erza best feats after she has gone through alot of fights.
So basically in this laxus vs erza fight, erza was at disadvantage, because she didnt get a gauntlet like laxus. Finally you managed to prove erza was at huge disadvantage here. Man, dont make silly points
Yes, i can easily prove erza > natsu, as you say.
But you claim
Laxus >> erza > natsu
Yet you cant even give me as many examples of laxus above erza as i can for erza above natsu
As far as i know, laxus was compared once to gildarts in gmg arc (jura hype). That is it.
Erza was compared to jellal, laxus and zero. In three consecutive arcs. I think it was made pretty clear where erza stood.
Markarov knew erza and laxus were equal. So 50 50 chances of erza beating laxus. That was markarov thinking. It wasnt anywhere near what you are trying to imply
Difference between erza and natsu shown and portrayed many times
Difference between gildarts and laxus is mentioned couple of times
Where in the hell is difference between laxus and erza even mentioned and you want me to believe it was same or bigger, seriously
Laxus was never shown as ace, compared to erza ever. His five seconds of fame against hades was nothing (he was just wailing on hades, even you can do that to mike Tyson). And that was only he thing he ever got. Five seconds
(Since you like to mention erza shock here, i will clear that up. Erza was shocked that laxus could tank 25 formula, which he couldn't, that was all)
He was not the ace in gmg
He did beat the strongest
But erza beat the next two strongest. Putting them around eachother again
In alverzec
He was given nothing
Erza was fighting the strongest (this is equivalent of laxus beating rufus and erza giving extreme diff to jura)
As i said tempester thing is your headcannon
Erza did alot more that arc.
Are trying to imply that aconologia was actually blitz, i mean like if serious aconologia couldn't have done anything ooookaaay
No laxus has no speed feat comparable to meteor. Tempester i think is the only good example he has. He couldnt even dodge 25 formula which markarov could easily block (and markarov couldnt follow gmg pre SO erza strike)
What. Jellal using thought projection was low diff by injured erza. Then he had to resort to underhand method to get erza out of the fight. (Manga shows it accurately)
Jellal couldnt beat erza period.
Sadly, erza is not small monster compared to laxus. Markarov and mystogan statement means
Erza = laxus
Pof erza would most likely mid diff blood lusted laxus
And that is also your headcannon, those statement clearly implied they are around eachother, nothing more
There is alot of points involving mystogan hax magic. But using hax magic to compare power is stupid enough
Sorry, no growth of erza was mentioned. Only laxus growth was mentioned. Look in the manga man
Sorry, i cant understand anything about the following, what are you replyimg to
My arbitratary ws tier ranks
Hanging out with the proof that she can also beat them so one-sidedly.
Jellal 9 WS tier
The first ws tier opponent natsu overcame. Jellal would have to be lower ws tier because of plot reason. Think jose being god of ishigal level, wouldnt make sense to introduce such a person after introducing of ws. Not a strong point but still possible
Jura himself said he was weakest so him being 10 or 9 ws is cannon
S class monster was said to be in that ws tier by the king. So he is that level. Erza taking that out and 99 others put her on that level (7 or 8 ws tier), without SO. Whether people like it or not, there is nothing wrong here. Tenrou erza was easily 8 ws tier.
i know i am right and you are wrong because of following
What you have
Natsu and erza near each
(Directly opposite to manga)
Why
Erza thought natsu was near her (phantom) and laxus (boft)
That is all (ignore actual feats where erza outshines natsu by alot and tone of portrayal)
Laxus and erza are far apart
Why
Mystogan hax
Handling natsu and gajeel at the same time (its easy if natsu and erza near, no?)
Laxus vs hades
Laxus vs jura
Laxus vs tempester
All of these are wrong or straight up fans personal opinion
Hax works when plot demands it
In other words evergreen and saliha hax will work fine on erza but mira cant macro skullrion.
Erza is far above natsu, so laxus using his strongest moves to handle natsu and gajeel does not prove he is above erza
And comparing 100% laxus to 10% erza. You would later bring up how laxus beat erza after fighting kiria is impressive
Laxus vs jura
(Is better than erza vs kagura then Minerva) personal opinion. Sadly not followed by erza vs irene alot better than laxus vs wahl
Laxus vs tempester
Personal opinion
Mine are simple with little input from me
Aria
OS arrival
Pantherlily
And countless statement and scene putting erza above natsu
Thus my point proving
Erza >>> natsu
Is much better than yours about laxus being above erza
Erza being far above natsu already proved that erza is in the same ball park as laxus.
After all laxus can mid natsu
So any fight with erza would be high diff fight or extreme diff
I think your entire argument lies on the foundation that erza is near natsu. Which is wrong. Laxus vs natsu and gajeel and laxus vs tempester
And jura being gildarts (which he is not, he just a strongest opponent in gmg, that is all, a maybe a tier above kagura or Minerva)
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