Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

I’ve given several examples, in his own bloodline, of having a weak body and exceptionally strong magic, one being Laxus himself.

Who are the others?

 

[Ronin31]

Lacrima, by definition, is a reserve of condensed Magic. Why putting a magic Lacrima into a weak body if the boy was so powerful ? Lacrima enhanced magic power. See Sting and Rog : White Drive and Shadow Drive for exemple. Laxus was weak as a child. He grows up with this Lacrima and then trained his body until being the powerful wizard he is currently. It is not a shame for Laxus to being weak as a child and having Lacrima to help him being strong.

 

[GL_Nova]

So Ivan says he had a weak body and you're trying to go against that?

Aren't you the guy who's always taking the characters words to heart? Or is that only when it benefits Laxus. Double standards eh

What double standard am I ignoring? The conversation isn’t a debate about if he had a weak body or not, it’s if he’s only who he is now because of the lacrima lol. I work with kids every day, you have no idea how many stories parents of told me about their sickly preemie children who are running around playing sports. There is no reason to suspect Laxus, with his genetics wouldn’t have grown stronger as he got older like most kids do. Do you have some missing piece of evidence that suggests he wouldn’t still be the overly powerful grandson of Makarov?

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Who are the others?

Makarov’s body has been failing him the entire series. Laxus himself was dying from organ failure last series. Neinhart isn’t that impressive either. We see that a weak body doesn’t preclude one from having high magic power. The boy could have died, he could have outgrown it. Ivan saw no reason to take a chance.

 

[Zelefomavis]

Laxus was a weak little boy who was given magic steroids : the limited Dragon editon, and who is now a handsome mofo strong enough to protect his family.

Is there really more to debate ? I mean, who really cares about how, when what really matters is that, yes, Mashima, we do want more shirtless Laxus stomping ennemies

Spoiler: Actual answer

If the weak body Laxus had was something common with Makarov, Makarov would have just told it to Ivan and Ivan would have been glad that his boy had similar constitution to his grandpa and would probably grow as strong as him. It was never referenced how Laxus weak body as a child was similar to Makarov. He just was weak. And yes the Lacrima gave him the ability to grow stronger, which he may not have on his own, I mean he has a Lightning Dragon Lacrima and he uses Lightning Magic(non DS) so it shows how the lacrima impacted his growth and conditionned his magic.
Now, I don't say the level Laxus grew to was solely because of the Lacrima, it just oppened the possibility and Laxus then trained his ass off to reach that level

 

[Kiki]

Ivan = Gildarts' rival back then? Never heard of it

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[Ramen]

Ivan isn't even that strong. How'd he expect to take the FH when it was going to take Irene a bit of time lol.

 

[GL_Nova]

Lacrima, by definition, is a reserve of condensed Magic. Why putting a magic Lacrima intone a weak body if the boy was so powerful ? Lacrima enhanced magic power. See Sting and Rog : White Drive and Shadow Drive for exemple. Laxus was weak as a child. He grows up with this Lacrima and then trained his body until being the powerful wizard he is currently. It is not a shame for Laxus to being weak as a child and having Lacrima to help him being strong.

There’s no shame in any of it. There’s also nothing to suggest his current strength isn’t because he’s Makarov’s bloodline, and multiple statements that it is. I’m not really sure how I’m the only one certain of that. I don’t see why everyone is so opposed to the statement that he could have outgrown his sickly nature and still grown strong. Either way, it’s a fact that Laxus is a monster because of his bloodline. I’m not going to get further drug into this childhood debate unless everyone’s really having fun.

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Ivan = Gildarts' rival back then? Never heard of it



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Mashima has said it before.

 

[Ramen]

There’s no shame in any of it. There’s also nothing to suggest his current strength isn’t because he’s Makarov’s bloodline, and multiple statements that it is. I’m not really sure how I’m the only one certain of that. I don’t see why everyone is so opposed to the statement that he could have outgrown his sickly nature and still grown strong. Either way, it’s a fact that Laxus is a monster because of his bloodline. I’m not going to get further drug into this childhood debate unless everyone’s really having fun.

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Mashima has said it before.

Mashima has never called Ivan Dreyar his rival. That's your headcanon.

 

[GL_Nova]

Mashima has never called Ivan Dreyar his rival. That's your headcanon.

Funny, that’s the same thing you guys said about the Laxus being too strong to leave in the story, until somebody had time to find the interview. Believe me or not, doesn’t really bug me either way.

 

[Ramen]

Funny, that’s the same thing you guys said about the Laxus being too strong to leave in the story, until somebody had time to find the interview. Believe me or not, doesn’t really bug me either way.

It's very different. We all acknowledge the fact that Laxus has been sidelined or nerfed during arcs because he could solo them all on his own.....like Gildarts. Ivan is an irrelevant character.

Until you show proof since none of us can find anything, keep projecting your headcanon.

 

[sharkai]

How is this a problem though? Literally the entire series Laxus has been thrashing the opponents they fight against. Why would he struggle against a mod or top tier Spriggan?

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Makarov has had a weak body all series, and he’s considered one of the most dangerous characters for most of the series. Your argument doesn’t hold much water. Especially since frail children often grow out of it. The only difference would be Laxus would just be an extremely powerful lightning mage, not a dragon. An for the record, his father is Gildarts old rival. There’s nothing weak about him. Laxus is just that powerful.

because they are zeref lackeys. zeref should have just reqruited laxus jellal instead of those haxy guys

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Bruh what? August and Acnologia are durable as heck. August tanked Gildarts strongest attack without the help of his copy magic. He literally got up like 10 seconds later with no visible damage, not even a scratch. And he could've easily killed them right there but Hiro Mashina had no way to ki him so he had him use a suicide attack.

And don't even bring up Acnologia's defense.

august killed himself after that. apparently it did number on him
imagine if august and aconologia had there feats but werent actually immune to any magic. now thats strong (this is how laxus and gildarts are)

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Makarov’s body has been failing him the entire series. Laxus himself was dying from organ failure last series. Neinhart isn’t that impressive either. We see that a weak body doesn’t preclude one from having high magic power. The boy could have died, he could have outgrown it. Ivan saw no reason to take a chance.

Makarov only had weak body because of his old age. He has heart problems. Tag me where it says Neinhart has a frail body. Is that why Ivan had to install Dragon Larcrima and call him weak lol. None of these had to be installed with dragon Lacrima to support their bodies.

 

[Ronin31]

There’s no shame in any of it. There’s also nothing to suggest his current strength isn’t because he’s Makarov’s bloodline, and multiple statements that it is. I’m not really sure how I’m the only one certain of that. I don’t see why everyone is so opposed to the statement that he could have outgrown his sickly nature and still grown strong. Either way, it’s a fact that Laxus is a monster because of his bloodline. I’m not going to get further drug into this childhood debate unless everyone’s really having fun.

Yes, like I said, there is no shame. Lots of children are weak and grow up strong men.

As for my scan about the speech between Ivan and Gajeel, in my country (perhaps average translation, we have to translate the japanese directly to be clear), Ivan only said that Laxus was weak as a boy. We don't know if he is weak about body's state or magic state. Then, when Ivan said he wanted back the Lacrima and Gajeel said Laxus will die in process, Ivan answered that Lacrima had always been a power too strong for him.

So, for me, it refered to magic boost. But we are speaking about his childhood. With time, he trained and developps inherits Makarov's magic bloodline to become the monster he is.

Also, I am not sure Makarov had a weak body in his Young age. As for now, he is old man, even in Fantasia. Around 88. You can't compete with the years who make the body weaker even if you were a strong healthy man.

 

[Acnologia2415]

because they are zeref lackeys. zeref should have just reqruited laxus jellal instead of those haxy guys

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august killed himself after that. apparently it did number on him
imagine if august and aconologia had there feats but werent actually immune to any magic. now thats strong (this is how laxus and gildarts are)

August killed himself because Hiro didnt know any other way to kill him.

 

[sharkai]

August killed himself because Hiro didnt know any other way to kill him.

Kill him maybe
You see august didnt have any durability feat before this. He was negating everything with his hax. Mishma could have had him knocked out from that blow. But Mishma wanted him dead.

I just assumed it did huge damage to him, so that august wasnt sure he could do much after that. Might have Thought suicide blast would be better for his father

 

[Acnologia2415]

Kill him maybe
You see august didnt have any durability feat before this. He was negating everything with his hax. Mishma could have had him knocked out from that blow. But Mishma wanted him dead.

I just assumed it did huge damage to him, so that august wasnt sure he could do much after that. Might have Thought suicide blast would be better for his father

August survived the giant knife that Brandish stabbed him with. But I understand what you mean.

 

[GL_Nova]

Yes, like I said, there is no shame. Lots of children are weak and grow up strong men.

As for my scan about the speech between Ivan and Gajeel, in my country (perhaps average translation, we have to translate the japanese directly to be clear), Ivan only said that Laxus was weak as a boy. We don't know if he is weak about body's state or magic state. Then, when Ivan said he wanted back the Lacrima and Gajeel said Laxus will die in process, Ivan answered that Lacrima had always been a power too strong for him.

So, for me, it refered to magic boost. But we are speaking about his childhood. With time, he trained and developps inherits Makarov's magic bloodline to become the monster he is.

Also, I am not sure Makarov had a weak body in his Young age. As for now, he is old man, even in Fantasia. Around 88. You can't compete with the years who make the body weaker even if you were a strong healthy man.

That’s my point, Makarov could have been a sickly youth too, we know he’s had some kind of illness the entire span of the series. In spite of that his massive magic power has allowed him to live quite actively. An we do know for a fact that Laxus has twice been able to best opponents while his body was literally dying just based on his magic power. If his magic power was a direct result of his lacrima and not being Makarov’s Grandson, he would be comparable in strength to Eric instead of being the strongest Slayer walking in base. At this point in the story his strength is consistently tied to who he is. Hiro can always come out and say it’s the lacrima, and why his is so much stronger than the others at any time. Just like the RL reveal/explanation. I feel like those are both easy points to agree on.

 

[sharkai]

That’s my point, Makarov could have been a sickly youth too, we know he’s had some kind of illness the entire span of the series. In spite of that his massive magic power has allowed him to live quite actively. An we do know for a fact that Laxus has twice been able to best opponents while his body was literally dying just based on his magic power. If his magic power was a direct result of his lacrima and not being Makarov’s Grandson, he would be comparable in strength to Eric instead of being the strongest Slayer walking in base. At this point in the story his strength is consistently tied to who he is. Hiro can always come out and say it’s the lacrima, and why his is so much stronger than the others at any time. Just like the RL reveal/explanation. I feel like those are both easy points to agree on.

what do you mean RL reveal/explanation?
everyone knew how laxus got RL other than his die hard fans

 

[GL_Nova]

what do you mean RL reveal/explanation?
everyone knew how laxus got RL other than his die hard fans

Nobody knew anything. Some people thought it was an asspull, some thought it was something he absorbed, some thought it was a spell straight from Yuri

 

[Ramen]

Nobody knew anything. Some people thought it was an asspull, some thought it was something he absorbed, some thought it was a spell straight from Yuri

Laxus thought it was an asspull to.