Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Axiomus]

Zeref literally ignored END's power in his plan. He told Natsu that either END or Natsu would reach him, and that he hopes it's Natsu. Pretty much tells us right there that he's not banking on END's power to actually get the job done.

If Zeref cares about life, which is the only way he's going to get the curse to start killing Aldoron, then he becomes as weak as he was on Tenrou Island. Anyone stronger than Ultear would be able to knock him out. Aldoron would impale him with spikes before the curse even spreads outside of one of his cities.

 

[WoWfan]

Zeref still considered END likely to reach him, that is not the same as ignoring or have little hope for. He is still stronger than Aldoron when he is at full power, it only proves that with weaken Zeref still is enough to kill him

 

[grey matter]

Zeref literally ignored END's power in his plan. He told Natsu that either END or Natsu would reach him, and that he hopes it's Natsu. Pretty much tells us right there that he's not banking on END's power to actually get the job done.

Ehh, IMO it's likely because he want to face his brother, not a demon from underworld he injected into his brother's body to revive him. IMO it doesn't tell us much about the power levels at all, and instead says more about Zeref's mentality

 

[WoWfan]

Ehh, IMO it's likely because he want to face his brother, not a demon from underworld he injected into his brother's body to revive him. IMO it doesn't tell us much about the power levels at all, and instead says more about Zeref's mentality

Yeah, since he doesn’t even know what he says is what he intends

 

[Axiomus]

Ehh, IMO it's likely because he want to face his brother, not a demon from underworld he injected into his brother's body to revive him. IMO it doesn't tell us much about the power levels at all, and instead says more about Zeref's mentality

Okay, but Zeref still hasn't shown any faith that END's power could kill him, meaning that pretty much every claim that it could is simply something the fans made up.

Zeref still considered END likely to reach him, that is not the same as ignoring or have little hope for. He is still stronger than Aldoron when he is at full power, it only proves that with weaken Zeref still is enough to kill him

No, he doesn't. He literally told Natsu that he will have the choice of destroying END or not, and that he hopes that Natsu would destroy END and be the one to face him. This right here tells us that he simply isn't banking on END's power to kill him.

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Zeref is not stronger than Aldoron at all. He needs to value Aldoron's life in order for the curse to fire off. If Zeref values life, then he's weak enough for anyone stronger than Ultear to knock out. Even when the god seed had it's curse firing off, the damage didn't spread further than the middle city. Aldoron has plenty of time to simply step on Zeref and knock him out. If Zeref doesn't value life, then the curse never fires off and Aldoron beats him up anyways. If Zeref doesn't value your life, like he doesn't with the Alvarez Empire, then Ankhseram's curse simply has no effect.

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[WoWfan]

Even in your image Zeref said END is the strongest demon he created, and he hoped that END would be resurrected by his conversation with Mard. No, valuing something made him weaker, which his Death Curse still affected something as powerful as Aldoron, at full power it would be a stomp, Ultear was merely a retcon then since she must have used hax, not natural durability, he can one shot someone like Zancrow anyway. That did not mean it wouldn't spread to the rest of Aldoron. Assuming Aldoron can. Zeref scale to Phoenix who can end the world.

 

[Axiomus]

Even in your image Zeref said END is the strongest demon he created, and he hoped that END would be resurrected by his conversation with Mard. No, valuing something made him weaker, which his Death Curse still affected something as powerful as Aldoron, at full power it would be a stomp, Ultear was merely a retcon then since she must have used hax, not natural durability, he can one shot someone like Zancrow anyway. That did not mean it wouldn't spread to the rest of Aldoron. Assuming Aldoron can. Zeref scale to Phoenix who can end the world.

Yes, END is the strongest demon Zeref created. That's not saying much, considering none of the etherious are anywhere close to Zeref's level. He never told Mard that he hoped END would be resurrected in their conversation. He never even tried to help Mard. At best he said that Mard tried.

There's no retcon. This has been the way Zeref's curse worked since the beginning, and still the way it works now. When Zeref feels that life is precious, his curse randomly kills people and weakens his magic. When Zeref forgets the value of human life, his curse no longer kills people and his magic gets stronger. The death curse doesn't get stronger when Zeref stops caring about life. It flat out stops happening. That's why everyone in the Alvarez Empire was safe from Zeref. He didn't care about them.

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The curse only fired off against Aldoron because Aldoron was precious to the Wolfen god seed. This was even explained in the actual chapter.

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The real Zeref couldn't care less about Aldoron, so the curse would never even trigger. Even if for some reason Zeref started caring about Aldoron, he still wouldn't be able beat Aldoron because the curse will nerf his regular magic to the point where anyone that is stronger than Ultear could simply knock Zeref out. Aldoron just steps on him.

 

[Ramen]

This is a never ending debate that is literally going in circles. Why does that even matter?

 

[Axiomus]

This is a never ending debate that is literally going in circles. Why does that even matter?

It's not a debate though. Any version of END stronger than what we saw is merely speculation, and the real Zeref would never even get the death wave to trigger against Aldoron. Those are just facts.

 

[WoWfan]

You’re right, it’s not a debate, because we have not seen his full form while he is still transforming, those other demons are not important, only END is. He didn’t help because it would be mean of him if he just showed up in Tartaros. and you are proving my point, even as weakened state, he is still powerful enough to take on Alderon

 

[Biri Biri]

Zeref is stronger than Aldoron.

Ok. That's enough internet for the day.

i don't like that august called magic king just becuase of his copy magic, when makarov talked about him and said that he masterd all kind of magic i thought that he is an old man who spend most of his life traveling and learning about magic, IMO he doesn't deserve the title of magic king if there is anyone in FT series who deserve to be called magic king is hades, he is a wise old man who had passion in learning about the secrets of magic unlike august who was only worried about his father love, he left the strongest guild in ishgar and traveled the world just to learn about the one magic which is the source of all magic he masterd all the type of dark magic to the point he can absorb other magic and turn it to dark, he can summon zeref demons, he taught the seven kin there lost magic, he invented grimoire law which is fairy law countarpart, he was the responsible of creating fairy heart which gives infinite magic and control over space and time and it was zeref goal and he even created a similar thing fulfils the same purpose and called it devil heart.

i wished that mashima didn't kill him and let zeref recruit him instead and made him the leader of the spriggan instead of the lost boy august which even his backstory with zeref was meh for me unlike hades who was running behind zeref all of his life and also zeref was the one who taught him the magic.

Holy shit.

I just realised Zeref is actually a genius. He didn't recruit Hades/Mard to Alvarez empire not because he didn't know how cool they were. On the contrary, Zeref knew too well how cool Hades and Mard were. He could foresee the Spriggan following their lead instead of his once they got true charisma of how a proper leader should act and behave in Mard and Hades' presence. That was why Zeref killed the both of them with his own hands before his premonition turn into reality. Such mad intellect. We got played people!

Unfortunately for Zeref, one thing he couldn't foresee was the strength of Natsu's feelings for the guild. @Jean Grey you can have the honour

 

[Axiomus]

There's no evidence his full form is strong enough to kill Zeref. Again, Zeref never said END has the power to kill him. Natsu's feelings for the guild is canonically his greatest power, stronger than that of END, and even that can't kill Zeref.

That's why saying that END was the strongest demon Zeref created isn't saying much. Larcade, the next strongest demon after END, got oneshotted by Zeref. How does END being the strongest demon prove it can kill Zeref?

Zeref can't take on Aldoron period. Ankhseram curse would never try to take Aldoron's life because Zeref doesn't care about Aldoron, and Zeref's actual magical attacks are nowhere near strong enough to harm Aldoron.

 

[Ramen]

It's not a debate though. Any version of END stronger than what we saw is merely speculation, and the real Zeref would never even get the death wave to trigger against Aldoron. Those are just facts.

Got it to trigger against Hades.

 

[Axiomus]

Got it to trigger against Hades.

No he didn't. Zeref used an actual attack against Hades.

 

[WoWfan]

There is no evidence that any of his other attacks were strong enough to kill Zeref too, but END power is strong enough to bypass the power of gods. Even negative emotions are a power source too which Zeref is looking forward to. Whether or not he uses the curse, Zeref is simply stronger since the curse is in his weakened state. Aldoron can‘t even destroy the earth

 

[Ramen]

No he didn't. Zeref used an actual attack against Hades.

True true.

 

[WoWfan]

That was against Zancrow

 

[Axiomus]

There is no evidence that any of his other attacks were strong enough to kill Zeref too, but END power is strong enough to bypass the power of gods. Even negative emotions are a power source too which Zeref is looking forward to. Whether or not he uses the curse, Zeref is simply stronger since the curse is in his weakened state. Aldoron can‘t even destroy the earth

The volume afterwards told us that Natsu and Zeref would have both died had Natsu landed that final attack with Igneel's power. That's evidence Igneel's power could have killed Zeref. But sure, if you don't want to buy that, then there's no evidence that any attack in the series has the power to kill Zeref.

Negative emotions are simply inferior to positive ones. Natsu's positive emotions overpowered all of Zeref's negative emotions, plus Fairy Heart. Zeref has way more negative emotions than Natsu did. Zeref's been depressed for over 400 years to the point where he no longer cares about anyone else. Natsu snapped out of it when he saw Erza. He would have snapped out of it even if Erza hadn't shown up because Lucy was going to arrive 2 minutes later anyways. Honestly, he probably would have snapped out it if Gray tried to calm him down instead of picking a fight.

Right....I forgot Zeref was a planet buster. Imma take a page out of Biri Biri's book. Enough internets for today....

 

[Ramen]

Right....I forgot Zeref was a planet buster. Imma take a page out of Biri Biri's book. Enough internets for today....

You think that's bad? CV has universal+, multiversal and outerversal Zeref.

There is a FH Zeref vs Whis thread ffs.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 6, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 6, 2020 ---

BRO there is a CCC Gilgamesh vs FH Zeref thread on CV.

 

[WoWfan]

and the volume afterward states that Spriggans are the strongest enemies in the series, Besides, Igneel’s power was required, that creates a massive plot hole which Igneel would end Zeref right there and then. Not compared to Curses which Magic uses positive emotions. Likely not When Gray would have died at Natsu’s hands and pushed over the edge. Zeref didn’t use FH for his attack, that was just his negative emotions for black magic

Well Zeref is comparable to the Phoenix afterall, thank you for accepting that