Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Jko]

He had an extreme high diff with Acno......

Lol, lets give credit to true heroes of Alvarez who had to save that poor sap Jellal twice from suicide... Ichiya and Christina aka true MEN

 

[grey matter]

All the PoF did (like it did for Laxus) was make his ice stronger. It didn't make him faster, more aware, it didn't boost any of his other stats.

Laxus already outclassed him in stats from the beginning, so we'd be debating attack power and one showed the power to kill, the other showed the power to not even beat a demon, as a demon Slayer.

So if you acknowledge Dimaria without her time-stop is mediocre and that FDKM could over power it, how's Gray beating Laxus?

To me, it seemed like he did get physically stronger and faster as well. There is no other way he could match END (Natsu) in physical combat. Even against Invel, he seemed to be faster as well.

That's because Natsu wasn't fully demon yet. We saw that Gray and partial END were almost equally matched in physical combat, speed and attack power. In this case, if Slayer advantage was truly applicable, Natsu would've been one shot. Gray was able to do massive damage to Mard, who at that time was several tiers above Gray. Which, if we extrapolate here, would mean one shot against Natsu since he was in same tier (based on stats)

All I'm saying here is that FDKM and END had comparable feats, with END's being better because the feat of FDK overpowering a Spriggan's hax doesn't exist (though I don't doubt he could). All I'm doing here is strictly comparing their feats.
Point being: strictly by feats, END has better feats, but that's because FDKM hasn't got the opportunity to prove otherwise. Both have demonstrated having the stats of being able to stomp mediocre Spriggans, but only one has shown the power to overcome the hax.
Now, onto hype. END has better hype than FDKM.
END has better hype; and at the very least, comparable feats.
I consider FDKM to be Laxus tier, but slightly better.
So, I consider END better than Laxus

 

[Ramen]

Lol, lets give credit to true heroes of Alvarez who had to save that poor sap Jellal twice from suicide... Ichiya and Christina aka true MEN

Bro, Ichiya could've ended things quickly but he was like....nah.

Ichiya > 5 DGS

 

[sharkai]

Uhuh

lol nice to know you remember what i say.
Sadly non of those kicks actually had any real effect. Thanks to wahl immunity

My point was basically this kind of crap shouldn't happen in last arc. People should meet their match

 

[Jko]

Ichiya was also the only person to oneshot Erza.

What a

 

[Seven777]

lol nice to know you remember what i say.
Sadly non of those kicks actually had any real effect. Thanks to wahl immunity

My point was basically this kind of crap shouldn't happen in last arc. People should meet their match

Don't sweat it, I remember everything Axiomas, Wowfan and Jko say too.

Sure, and I agree, somewhat.

 

[grey matter]

Difference is Base Natsu was stronger when he used the FDK spell than he was when using END.
Lucy isn't Base Natsu tier, give END to Gajeel and he's hanging with Dark Gray, same as Natsu. As for it being reliant on Natsu's emotions, I mean sure, in the sense that he needs them to access the power(unless he willingly chooses to) but even in it's sleeper form END's power is great regardless of emotion, Natsu simply isn't able to access it or willing to use it.

FDK is a type of power, as is END, you're claiming that FDK is the superior form in power(at least that's what I got from what you said) because of what it did to Zeref, however I'm claiming that it's not the case because it wasn't FDK's strength that claimed the victory, it was Base Natsu's strength.
Let me put it in perspective, Grand Chariot is not superior to Sema simply because Grand Chariot beat Neinhart, Jellal's baseline strength was just greater now than when Jellal last used Sema in Tartaros. Similarly Natsu's Demolition Fist isn't superior to END, because Natsu's baseline strength with guild power is simply greater than it was when he was using END.

I've been saying this thing forever, my guy. You get it !

 

[Jko]

Bro, Ichiya could've ended things quickly but he was like....nah.

Ichiya > 5 DGS

My boi took down Acno and found a woman at the same time. Also took down Erza out with a simple glance. 5DGs could never.

The man is a . Reason RoT Acno spared him and Anna was because respected that level of badassery.

 

[sharkai]

Wait but that's only half of the story, all you're saying is, "He got a new power-up with his PoF." First of all, that's technically not true. The term Darkness is a made up fan word that Mashima never used. It was just a more extreme version of his Devil Slaying with more PoF. Us the fans use Darkness because he was turning into an actual Demon.

Laxus was the one with an actual concrete new power-up that's able of killing Spriggans without much difficulty. Gajeel got a new power-up yes, but it's hard gauge him because all it did was let him land blows on Bloodman who's main power was his intangiblity in the first place. Like Wahl, he couldn't fathom the idea of being in a fair fight.

Your whole argument boils down to END defeating Dimaria. If it was August or Irene, I'd give it to you but we're talking about a Spriggan who was getting beat by TO Sherria and Wendy without here time stop.

If you were to say Gray with under extreme PoF circumstances could steal a win from Laxus under a tough fight then there's a discussion, but saying mid diff is objectively false given what we know.

In your rankings, why is Laxus above Gajeel in his new mode but Gray is a tier above? That doesn't make sense since Gajeel checks all the boxes in your criteria the way Gray does.

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Yes he did stomp. What fight were you reading? Everyone's was on PoF including your favourite Erza. What's your point?

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Ignia's flames are arguably stronger than what? Because if were debating FDKM or END, he's solo both at the same time using those flames.

i was reading fairy tail manga, where laxus could throw wahl around, but non of those attack actually hurt wahl much at all.
Normally its not impressive, if everyone is doing. So laxus doing that ...
Well i am sure you can fill that gap

 

[grey matter]

i was reading fairy tail manga, where laxus could through wahl around, but non of those attack actually hurt wahl much at all.
Normally its not impressive, if everyone is doing. So laxus doing that ...
Well i am sure you can fill that gap

They didn't hurt much because of Wahl's lightning immunity

 

[sharkai]

Don't sweat it, I remember everything Axiomas, Wowfan and Jko say too.

Sure, and I agree, somewhat.

OmG
I am in top four favorite people list of Seven777

 

[Jko]

Ichiya, Wendy, and Acno form a team. Is there any group or individual strong enough to take this triple threat down?

 

[sharkai]

They didn't hurt much because of Wahl's lightning immunity

yes

I also think darkness gray increased his attack power and his speed. His durability remains the same
Laxus red lightning increased his attack power, but maybe also his speed, atleast in the current arc. His lightning body color was different

 

[Seven777]

OmG
I am in top four favorite people list of Seven777

Ha, you're one of the four people I have thousand year debates with, but sure, let's say you're one of my favorites too.

 

[Ramen]

i was reading fairy tail manga, where laxus could throw wahl around, but non of those attack actually hurt wahl much at all.
Normally its not impressive, if everyone is doing. So laxus doing that ...
Well i am sure you can fill that gap

Didn't understand a word of this

 

[sharkai]

Didn't understand a word of this

sorry.
Non of laxus attacked worked on wahl. Aka not stomp.

Laxus beat wahl with pof hit. Not impressive because everyone was doing it

 

[Ramen]

sorry.
Non of laxus attacked worked on wahl. Aka not stomp.

Laxus beat wahl with pof hit. Not impressive because everyone was doing it

All his attacks didn't work because of immunity. We clearly saw that Laxus was always stronger.

And? Can still be impressive.

 

[sharkai]

All his attacks didn't work because of immunity. We clearly saw that Laxus was always stronger.

And? Can still be impressive.

yeah i know that. But that is why its not a stomp fight.
Mishma was trying to show that laxus cant win in that situation. Not wahl was fighting above his weight
I dont know how you categorize stronger.
I think wahl can hit harder than laxus, with eitherion. But laxus is better over all. Laxus will always beat wahl. But wahl is stronger, more mp and stronger strongest hit.
That why i said gray could hit harder.

I think overwhelming ones durability is not as impressive as overpowering them straight on. Especially their strongest move. Gray overpowered invel strongest move, while laxus overwhelmed wahl durability while wahl was going full retarded.

I find gray feat more impressive. Even though i dont think gray can beat laxus.

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Ha, you're one of the four people I have thousand year debates with, but sure, let's say you're one of my favorites too.

nice to hear.
Sadly i dont have much time to be dedicated to those debates anymore.
Maybe i should bring up those debates again instead touching on new ones

 

[Ramen]

yeah i know that. But that is why its not a stomp fight.
Mishma was trying to show that laxus cant win in that situation. Not wahl was fighting above his weight
I dont know how you categorize stronger.
I think wahl can hit harder than laxus, with eitherion. But laxus is better over all. Laxus will always beat wahl. But wahl is stronger, more mp and stronger strongest hit.
That why i said gray could hit harder.

I think overwhelming ones durability is not as impressive as overpowering them straight on. Especially their strongest move. Gray overpowered invel strongest move, while laxus overwhelmed wahl durability while wahl was going full retarded.

I find gray feat more impressive. Even though i dont think gray can beat laxus.

I don't think Gray lasts 5 minutes in a fight against Laxus.

 

[sharkai]

I don't think Gray lasts 5 minutes in a fight against Laxus.

5 minutes is a long time. Thats high diff right there.

No seriously though, the gray that stomped invel isnt gonna get low diff by laxus. Though laxus might win
Personally i think
pof laxus > darkness gray (high diff loss to pof laxus)>erza (high diff loss to darkness gray)