Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[grey matter]

With about the same difficulty as they beat his equal, Eileen. Erza has the offense to kill him, with Laxus as support it's pretty much a sure thing. As for specific strategies, Laxus takes August head on and Erza strikes in the openings that he creates, much like Cana and Gildarts did except Erza's attacks aren't a one time thing and Cana+Gildarts<Laxus+Erza.

For Midnight's powers, didn't use it against Cana and Gildarts so he's not using it on Laxus and Erza. Midnight can't attack and defend at the same time, so August is likely the same, he probably can't use Midnight's magic if he's using other magic, either that or he's just too stupid, which in itself is just as great of a weakness.
Laxus also isn't useless in the fight, he's just not dealing damage. Gildarts handled August almost the entire fight without using his mechanical arm, while also protecting Cana, Laxus does something similar, the only difference is Erza is a significantly more powerful ally.

Erza doesn't have the offence to kill him. He took Gildarts' strongest attack without any immunity, and all he got was a bloody lip.

Yea, I know. August is retarded, which was why I went by the worst case scenario, which is August fighting like he did against Gildarts and Cana.
As for Midnight's spell, there is a restriction only on where you can cast the refractor. There are no restrictions on other spells while using it. If August wasn't stupid, he could just cast it around himself and forget about it.

Well, if the fight exactly go like August vs Gildarts/Cana, then yea I guess they probably can win. August was actually toying with Gildarts until the end. I mean, he only engaged in physical combat. The only spell he used, was crash, and that too just to cube himself lol.
If he uses meteor right from the start, Erza and Laxus won't even be able to touch him. August was already superior to Gildarts in CQC in his base, now imagine that with meteor.

Lol. Come and get me you Jellal wankers

There are no Jellol wankers. Picking on Jellol is just the low hanging fruit at this point lol.

There are those who don't hate him, those who dislike him, and then those who despise him lmao. I mean, how many people do you see here, who like Jellol or praise him? Everyone either hates him or is disappointed with him.

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Alvarez Erza pulls nakama power out of her ass and does the impossible. She would "cut" through his copy magic or some shit.

Spoiler: Alvarez basically

poder, perfeccion, pechos = power, perfection, breasts lmao.

Right. Swords that burn through magic lul. She can beat someone superior to her (Kyouka), without any of her senses lmao

 

[Ramen]

Do it lol. I'd rather get trolled than debate Omni or Exauce...even when trolling, you did a better job at debating than them. Ryuo and Raigo are the two biggest wanked feats in OP as of now. 85km long Jaya

I made another one, I'll let you figure out who I am

Also, for the sake of debating, is Invel AZ?

 

[GL_Nova]

Jellal is one of my favorites now. All we need is one comment about how he and Justice are comparable in strength from Mashima and we’re Golden.

 

[Seven777]

Jellal is a trash character imo, but these days I just feel sorry for him.

Erza doesn't have the offence to kill him. He took Gildarts' strongest attack without any immunity, and all he got was a bloody lip.

Yea, I know. August is retarded, which was why I went by the worst case scenario, which is August fighting like he did against Gildarts and Cana.
As for Midnight's spell, there is a restriction only on where you can cast the refractor. There are no restrictions on other spells while using it. If August wasn't stupid, he could just cast it around himself and forget about it.

Well, if the fight exactly go like August vs Gildarts/Cana, then yea I guess they probably can win. August was actually toying with Gildarts until the end. I mean, he only engaged in physical combat. The only spell he used, was crash, and that too just to cube himself lol.
If he uses meteor right from the start, Erza and Laxus won't even be able to touch him. August was already superior to Gildarts in CQC in his base, now imagine that with meteor.



There are no Jellol wankers. Picking on Jellol is just the low hanging fruit at this point lol.

There are those who don't hate him, those who dislike him, and then those who despise him lmao. I mean, how many people do you see here, who like Jellol or praise him? Everyone either hates him or is disappointed with him.

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Right. Swords that burn through magic lul. She can beat someone superior to her (Kyouka), without any of her senses lmao

A bloody lip that made him suicide lol. Erza sliced through Eileen's meteor, she can kill August, it'll just take a few hits.

It's the only case scenario, Mashima specifically made his weakness holder magic, Erza is his direct counter even with Midnights magic. No matter how many fights August has, he'll never use Refractor to counter holder mages, because thats the weakness Mashima decided for him.
As for Midnight, we've never seen August keep more than one magic active at once and there's nothing to suggest he can have refractor constantly active while casting other magic. Can he do it? Maybe? But probably not, the default assumption I'm going with is no, he can't, because he didn't.

Nothing to suggest August was toying with anyone, he knew Acno was arriving and by the end of the fight he killed himself. Gildarts was merely strong enough to keep up with August, just like Erza could with human Eileen. Meteor does piss poor damage, always has, and in August's hands it's no better, just look at what it did to Cana. Erza and Wendy gave Eileen a high diff fight, and August is only her equal, Erza + Laxus defeat him cleanly.

 

[Ramen]

PiS guys.....it's that simple

 

[Jko]

I made another one, I'll let you figure out who I am

Also, for the sake of debating, is Invel AZ?

Good. Stop me from debating these guys lol. I think he is or at least very close to it since his ice is more potent than Gray's who is close to AZ temp via DeS Ice.

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There are those who don't hate him, those who dislike him, and then those who despise him lmao. I mean, how many people do you see here, who like Jellol or praise him? Everyone either hates him or is disappointed with him.

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Right. Swords that burn through magic lul. She can beat someone superior to her (Kyouka), without any of her senses lmao

It was before your days young padawan. There were times people thought he would beat Laxus and stomp Erza. I now have to oppress Jellal fans so they never rise to power again. It's thankless job, but someone has to do it and it might has well be the one with the most hatred for Jellal.

 

[Ramen]

Good. Stop me from debating these guys lol. I think he is or at least very close to it since his ice is more potent than Gray's who is close to AZ temp via DeS Ice.

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It was before your days young padawan. There were times people thought he would beat Laxus and stomp Erza. I now have to oppress Jellal fans so they never rise to power again. It's thankless job, but someone has to do it and it might has well be the one with the most hatred for Jellal.

Still can't deal with Ryou amirite or amirite.

 

[Axiomus]

Like the entire assembled cast thinking they have no chance against Laxus?

When did that happen?

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I made another one, I'll let you figure out who I am

Also, for the sake of debating, is Invel AZ?

If by AZ you mean absolute zero, then no. Realistically, absolute zero means zero kinetic energy. So even if Invel creates the ice at absolute zero, it stops being that the moment it moves. Or interacts with anything in general.

There's also not any real advantage of having ice at absolute zero versus having it 1 degree off from absolute zero anyways. I suppose you can use it in dialogue for the cool factor.... But Mashima hasn't actually even done this. The argument for Invel's ice being absolute zero is that it's colder than Gray's ice, which is supposedly 60 degrees off from absolute zero if we take the freezing point of oxygen. So physics aside, the bigger issue is that there's not really any reason to assume it's at absolute zero in the first place.

 

[grey matter]

Jellal is one of my favorites now. All we need is one comment about how he and Justice are comparable in strength from Mashima and we’re Golden.

I'm curious. What is salvageable in that character at this point?

Jellal is a trash character imo, but these days I just feel sorry for him.

A bloody lip that made him suicide lol. Erza sliced through Eileen's meteor, she can kill August, it'll just take a few hits.

It's the only case scenario, Mashima specifically made his weakness holder magic, Erza is his direct counter even with Midnights magic. No matter how many fights August has, he'll never use Refractor to counter holder mages, because thats the weakness Mashima decided for him.
As for Midnight, we've never seen August keep more than one magic active at once and there's nothing to suggest he can have refractor constantly active while casting other magic. Can he do it? Maybe? But probably not, the default assumption I'm going with is no, he can't, because he didn't.

Nothing to suggest August was toying with anyone, he knew Acno was arriving and by the end of the fight he killed himself. Gildarts was merely strong enough to keep up with August, just like Erza could with human Eileen. Meteor does piss poor damage, always has, and in August's hands it's no better, just look at what it did to Cana. Erza and Wendy gave Eileen a high diff fight, and August is only her equal, Erza + Laxus defeat him cleanly.

Yep, same lol. I just feel sad for that character at this point. Mashima should just put him out of his misery.

That was pure CIS. Gildarts didn't have anything else that could damage him again, while he was pretty much fine. There was really no reason to use the ultimate spell.
This is similar to Eileen using her strongest spell on Erza, when all her bones were broken. She could've just stomped her head and GG, Erza ded.

I'd assume that he can keep more than one spell than he copies. Or else he wouldn't be the "magic king".
With Mashima writing, sure lol. Or else he can simply just negate the tool with refraction. Tools are mentioned as the weakness of copy magic specifically. And refraction specifically counters anything that's not flesh.

Meteor is not about damage, it's about speed/cqc. Meteor makes Jellol the fastest good guy with the exception of DF Natsu. August was already above Gildarts in combat speed, who in turn is superior to Laxus and Erza in combat speed. Add meteor to that and he becomes pretty much untouchable.

 

[Seven777]

I'm curious. What is salvageable in that character at this point?



Yep, same lol. I just feel sad for that character at this point. Mashima should just put him out of his misery.

That was pure CIS. Gildarts didn't have anything else that could damage him again, while he was pretty much fine. There was really no reason to use the ultimate spell.
This is similar to Eileen using her strongest spell on Erza, when all her bones were broken. She could've just stomped her head and GG, Erza ded.

I'd assume that he can keep more than one spell than he copies. Or else he wouldn't be the "magic king".
With Mashima writing, sure lol. Or else he can simply just negate the tool with refraction. Tools are mentioned as the weakness of copy magic specifically. And refraction specifically counters anything that's not flesh.

Meteor is not about damage, it's about speed/cqc. Meteor makes Jellol the fastest good guy with the exception of DF Natsu. August was already above Gildarts in combat speed, who in turn is superior to Laxus and Erza in combat speed. Add meteor to that and he becomes pretty much untouchable.

Not necessarily, even if Gildarts could no longer hurt August that doesn't mean August was powerful enough to defeat Gildarts in a timely manner, Gildarts was just too powerful, much too powerful. Like I said, Acno was on the horizon, August needed the victory, he couldn't get it. As for Eileen, Sema has it's benefits too, eg, killing everyone on the battlefield on top of Erza, as well as showing off. You could say it's contrived, and I'd agree, but there are plausible reasons for the things they do, and I will always default to them before PiS or CiS.

He can probably keep them judging by Meteor, but use several of them at the same time? Another story. No, tools are a weakness of August specifically, not just his magic, that was Mashima's intention. It's like how you always argue that talent and training don't matter because Mashima will just make them stronger regardless, well it's the same thing here. Holder magic will just work, regardless of whether August uses refractor or not, does it makes sense? It does if you buy him being unable to use refractor while using other magic like I do, otherwise you can just be annoyed with it, but the bottom line is that Erza kills August with her attacks.

Gildarts is above August in combat speed first off. As for Meteor being about speed, yeah, obviously, but relying on it is not going to give him any sort of victory, all it will do is deal mediocre damage that Erza and Laxus can easily tank until August finally decides to stop using Meteor in order to do a real attack, which is when Erza and Laxus will strike. Jellal is far from untouchable to anyone he has ever fought, other than Natsu, August is the same. I said it before and I'll say it again, if Erza and Wendy can push Eileen to high diff, then Erza and Laxus are %100 beating August.

 

[grey matter]

Not necessarily, even if Gildarts could no longer hurt August that doesn't mean August was powerful enough to defeat Gildarts in a timely manner, Gildarts was just too powerful, much too powerful. Like I said, Acno was on the horizon, August needed the victory, he couldn't get it. As for Eileen, Sema has it's benefits too, eg, killing everyone on the battlefield on top of Erza, as well as showing off. You could say it's contrived, and I'd agree, but there are plausible reasons for the things they do, and I will always default to them before PiS or CiS.

He can probably keep them judging by Meteor, but use several of them at the same time? Another story. No, tools are a weakness of August specifically, not just his magic, that was Mashima's intention. It's like how you always argue that talent and training don't matter because Mashima will just make them stronger regardless, well it's the same thing here. Holder magic will just work, regardless of whether August uses refractor or not, does it makes sense? It does if you buy him being unable to use refractor while using other magic like I do, otherwise you can just be annoyed with it, but the bottom line is that Erza kills August with her attacks.

Gildarts is above August in combat speed first off. As for Meteor being about speed, yeah, obviously, but relying on it is not going to give him any sort of victory, all it will do is deal mediocre damage that Erza and Laxus can easily tank until August finally decides to stop using Meteor in order to do a real attack, which is when Erza and Laxus will strike. Jellal is far from untouchable to anyone he has ever fought, other than Natsu, August is the same. I said it before and I'll say it again, if Erza and Wendy can push Eileen to high diff, then Erza and Laxus are %100 beating August.

He could've tried a ton of other things lol. There are countless spells he's learned (copied) over his lifetime. And Gildarts was out of gas; his one arm was completely destroyed in the process, meaning combat in general becomes almost twice as hard (even healthy Gildarts had a hard time keeping up to begin with). Finishing him off at that point was simply formality IMO.
Also, why would he want to finish them off before Acno arrives? Genuinely asking, because I don't know. Does it serve any purpose? It's not like Acno is friends with the good guys anyway.

Dude, I completely get what you're saying. If Mashima hypothetically writes the fight, refractor or not, tools will counter him because that's the weakness in Mashima's mind. Mashima won't even remember that he has refractor lmao. In which case, Erza + Laxus is probably going to win.
But I'm talking of a battle without CIS and PIS. In which case, tools won't work because of refraction.

Also, CIS and PIS are different from how strong characters get to maintain portrayal. Because one is the behavior of character and some plot points. While the other is simply just how strong the character is.
The former is can be ignored in fantasy battles, where we can put condition of no PIS/CIS, bloodlusted etc. But the later is just permanent, nothing can be done about it.

How is Gildarts above August in combat speed? He caught him off guard in the beginning, the rest of the fight was August overwhelming Gildarts in physical combat.
Spells can be cast while meteor is being used, Jellol has done it a few times. So, August doesn't need to stop using meteor to cast spells.
It was pretty damn hard for Jura, someone who's faster than (or at least as fast as) Jellol's base speed, to land a blow on him while in meteor. Jellol was also untouchable for the OS, once he used meteor as well.
This means, someone of August's caliber would become insanely fast with the spell. Ok, maybe I exaggerated saying that he would become untouchable, but he would dodge like 95% of the attacks from Erza/Laxus, while most of his attacks would land on them. Even his base, he has superior speed, strength, attack power, durability (maybe this is questionable lmao, Erza can have infinite dura is plot demands it) and magic power than those two.

Erza and Wendy managed to overwhelm human Eileen. If we're going by portrayal, August ~ dragon Eileen >> human Eileen.
The only reason dragon Eileen got rekt was because of slayer advantage. Take out slayer advantage, and dragon Eileen would stomp Erza. Actually she did stomp anyway, she could've just directly killed Erza after breaking her bones, instead of using sema.

 

[Ratrace]

Most characters have been a disappointment

 

[aymen24]

Are there still discussions after this??

 

[Ratrace]

Are there still discussions after this??

Well he’s not wrong, the problem is it’s one of the main reasons why people read stuff like Fairy Tail

 

[Seven777]

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He could've tried a ton of other things lol. There are countless spells he's learned (copied) over his lifetime. And Gildarts was out of gas; his one arm was completely destroyed in the process, meaning combat in general becomes almost twice as hard (even healthy Gildarts had a hard time keeping up to begin with). Finishing him off at that point was simply formality IMO.
Also, why would he want to finish them off before Acno arrives? Genuinely asking, because I don't know. Does it serve any purpose? It's not like Acno is friends with the good guys anyway.

Dude, I completely get what you're saying. If Mashima hypothetically writes the fight, refractor or not, tools will counter him because that's the weakness in Mashima's mind. Mashima won't even remember that he has refractor lmao. In which case, Erza + Laxus is probably going to win.
But I'm talking of a battle without CIS and PIS. In which case, tools won't work because of refraction.

Also, CIS and PIS are different from how strong characters get to maintain portrayal. Because one is the behavior of character and some plot points. While the other is simply just how strong the character is.
The former is can be ignored in fantasy battles, where we can put condition of no PIS/CIS, bloodlusted etc. But the later is just permanent, nothing can be done about it.

How is Gildarts above August in combat speed? He caught him off guard in the beginning, the rest of the fight was August overwhelming Gildarts in physical combat.
Spells can be cast while meteor is being used, Jellol has done it a few times. So, August doesn't need to stop using meteor to cast spells.
It was pretty damn hard for Jura, someone who's faster than (or at least as fast as) Jellol's base speed, to land a blow on him while in meteor. Jellol was also untouchable for the OS, once he used meteor as well.
This means, someone of August's caliber would become insanely fast with the spell. Ok, maybe I exaggerated saying that he would become untouchable, but he would dodge like 95% of the attacks from Erza/Laxus, while most of his attacks would land on them. Even his base, he has superior speed, strength, attack power, durability (maybe this is questionable lmao, Erza can have infinite dura is plot demands it) and magic power than those two.

Erza and Wendy managed to overwhelm human Eileen. If we're going by portrayal, August ~ dragon Eileen >> human Eileen.
The only reason dragon Eileen got rekt was because of slayer advantage. Take out slayer advantage, and dragon Eileen would stomp Erza. Actually she did stomp anyway, she could've just directly killed Erza after breaking her bones, instead of using sema.

And Gildarts was too powerful for every single one of them, hence suicide. As for Gildarts being out of gas, not really, he was about as injured as August was. Sure, his arm didn't work, but Gildarts never uses his mechanical arm in combat, not in Alvarez, not in Tenrou, so it doesn't really make a difference other than him no longer having a means of damaging August.

It's not CiS or PiS if there's a plausible explanation. I rarely ever buy arguments based around PiS or CiS, because people are stupid in real life too.

I don't buy the off guard argument in the slightest, rarely do. If the fight starts then every single hit from then on is a feat as long as there is no outside interference and there wasn't.
Sure, and Jellal still gets hit all the time. What you're arguing right now is basically saying Jellal would never get hit by Laxus and Erza because he has Meteor, which is ridiculous. Jura hit Jellal easily, OS did too, landing 2 hits with Meteor is nowhere near what I'd call untouchable. Meteor is a handy skill, it's not a game changer though, Erza and Laxus' speed together are more than enough to match and exceed it's speed.
Also disagree on the %95 dodge rate, I'd put it at about %50 at best. Erza and Laxus attacking in tandem are leagues faster than Cana and Gildarts, Cana is literally fodder. August needs Meteor just to keep up with their speed, it doesn't put him above them.

Erza and Wendy put a high diff fight against Eileen in general, not human Eileen or dragon Eileen. By the end of the fight Eileen used everything she had, and it was a difficult battle for her. Sure, advantage and all that, Erza has advantages over August too and Laxus is a much more powerful fighter than Wendy.

 

[Hexbend]

There are no Jellol wankers. Picking on Jellol is just the low hanging fruit at this point lol.

There are those who don't hate him, those who dislike him, and then those who despise him lmao. I mean, how many people do you see here, who like Jellol or praise him? Everyone either hates him or is disappointed with him.

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Wrong Jellal is still one of my favorites. I don't understand the severe hate on the dude

 

[grey matter]

And Gildarts was too powerful for every single one of them, hence suicide. As for Gildarts being out of gas, not really, he was about as injured as August was. Sure, his arm didn't work, but Gildarts never uses his mechanical arm in combat, not in Alvarez, not in Tenrou, so it doesn't really make a difference other than him no longer having a means of damaging August.

It's not CiS or PiS if there's a plausible explanation. I rarely ever buy arguments based around PiS or CiS, because people are stupid in real life too.

I don't buy the off guard argument in the slightest, rarely do. If the fight starts then every single hit from then on is a feat as long as there is no outside interference and there wasn't.
Sure, and Jellal still gets hit all the time. What you're arguing right now is basically saying Jellal would never get hit by Laxus and Erza because he has Meteor, which is ridiculous. Jura hit Jellal easily, OS did too, landing 2 hits with Meteor is nowhere near what I'd call untouchable. Meteor is a handy skill, it's not a game changer though, Erza and Laxus' speed together are more than enough to match and exceed it's speed.
Also disagree on the %95 dodge rate, I'd put it at about %50 at best. Erza and Laxus attacking in tandem are leagues faster than Cana and Gildarts, Cana is literally fodder. August needs Meteor just to keep up with their speed, it doesn't put him above them.

Erza and Wendy put a high diff fight against Eileen in general, not human Eileen or dragon Eileen. By the end of the fight Eileen used everything she had, and it was a difficult battle for her. Sure, advantage and all that, Erza has advantages over August too and Laxus is a much more powerful fighter than Wendy.

By out of gas, I meant he has really nothing left that can damage August.
Didn't he use? I don't remember, I'll check tho.

Ok. So, in case of no PIS and CIS, what then?

It really was though. Because after that one time, it was August who was contantly overwhelming him. It shows that August is superior to Gildarts in physical combat.
Nope. Because you need to consider base as well. Jellol's combat speed in base would be lower or about the same speed as those guys. August's base combat speed is above Gildarts, who himself is significantly above Laxus and Erza. Now add meteor to that, and yes, IMO he would dodge 95% of their attacks.
Jura didn't hit him easily. He dodged like 10 attacks before Jura could land a blow, and he managed to blitz Jura twice.
Meteor is a game changer when the base speed itself is high.
Why 50%? August dodged/countered most of Gildarts' physical attacks in his base. Why wouldn't he dodge most of Laxus' and Erza's attacks when he uses meteor, which is a massive boost to combat speed?


It makes a difference whether we consider human Eileen or dragon Eileen.
Dragon Eileen >> human Eileen.
Dragon Eileen got rekt only because of CIS and massive advantage from slayer magic. Tools can only do normal damage to August, not super effective damage.
If August can tank Gildarts' strongest spell with minor damage, he can take everything Erza throws at him. Gildarts >> Erza in attack power. August will need less attacks to put down Erza than Erza would need to put down August. And August will dodge more attacks than Erza does as well.
It's really going to be just like Natsu/Gajeel vs Laxus. The gap between either of them, and August, is as big as x784 Laxus and x784 Natsu/Gajeel

 

[Ronin31]

Well, I didn't read all the comments of the battle between August and Erza/Laxus team up. I see current Laxus as strong as was Gildarts when he was fightning August. But Laxus can't dealt damage with his magic, so he should be less effective than Gildarts as no bionic arm. Still he can tank him, like Gildarts did, with very strong physical stats and durability, but that's enough. But, August's weakness remained that he couldn't copy people who were Holder Magic, which is Erza's category, and probably the strongest one. As support, she is far stronger and effective in every ways than Cana : strength, hundreds multiple range attacks, tremendeous durability...

In my opinion, with theirs incredibles staminas and durabilities, they can take down August even if he is stronger than individuals. Laxus and Erza are around the most durable characters of the Manga.

 

[grey matter]

Wrong Jellal is still one of my favorites. I don't understand the severe hate on the dude

He's just a massive disappointment. His character is lame too

The question is, why do you still like him lol. I'm curious.

 

[Ramen]

The real question is how can I bring more Gray-noobs to this forum so I can troll them? Things have been too dry here.