that curse is one of a kind. and most likely Ankeseram>>Rot aconologia
that curse is so strong that even aconolgia couldnt kill zeref because of it
you did not contribute to our discussion. are dragons super weak to dragon magic or are they just effected by it like normal human are effected by normal magic?
it is possible. if someone alot weaker than jura can handle sema. then jura can handle sema causally. if it was difficult for jura sure, then i agree with you. but that means weaker mages than jura would find it impossible to handle
nope, sorry cant see your panels
because erza is alot weaker than eileen. if ds advantage was such a huge thing aconologia (who is already stonger than igneel) should have one shot igneel and all parents dragon in one move.
obviously, its hard to argue against hax. i know grey mid tier ds move will easily be overpowered by equivalent moves alot weaker than reiko one. and i also know freed runes easily allowed him to trap markarov with out mp problem. you dont know if freed rune will stop acno from doing magic. (that is why i hate hax). this why i think you cheaped out by stopping reiko by freed runes
erza kiria example doesnt work. we dont know if erza is putting alot of effort into it. every single benzikura swing isnt equal. otherwise pre ts erza was alot stronger than hell even gildarts
everything in the manga also screamed deus sema is above that irene claw swipe. and again why didnt aconologia one shot igneel? where did his ds advantage go
erza deus sema feat is like gray breaking invel armor without ds form
That's literally what Acno did, he killed them all with his dragon slayer magic. That said, Erza failing to oneshot Eileen doesn't automatically mean Acno can oneshot Igneel. Gildarts failed to oneshot August, does that mean August can oneshot Eileen just because August>>Gildarts?
No cheaper than you trying to compare a bunch of random spells in an attempt to trip me up. Various magic can be stopped in various ways, if you're going to bring up random spells then I will too. If you are going to arbitrarily exclude certain magics then I will too.
We don't know that Eileen put a lot of effort into Deus Sema either, so the example works perfectly.
So? Erza could probably repel a claw swipe with her meteor buster. Doesn't change the fact that Erza is weaker than Eileen, everyone, including you knows this, because that's what the manga wanted us to know. So yeah, it's the same as Gray vs Mard, similar advantage, similar PoF, similar strength gap.
That's literally what Acno did, he killed them all with his dragon slayer magic. That said, Erza failing to oneshot Eileen doesn't automatically mean Acno can oneshot Igneel. Gildarts failed to oneshot August, does that mean August can oneshot Eileen just because August>>Gildarts?
No cheaper than you trying to compare a bunch of random spells in an attempt to trip me up. Various magic can be stopped in various ways, if you're going to bring up random spells then I will too. If you are going to arbitrarily exclude certain magics then I will too.
We don't know that Eileen put a lot of effort into Deus Sema either, so the example works perfectly.
So? Erza could probably repel a claw swipe with her meteor buster. Doesn't change the fact that Erza is weaker than Eileen, everyone, including you knows this, because that's what the manga wanted us to know. So yeah, it's the same as Gray vs Mard, similar advantage, similar PoF, similar strength gap.
I think its blocked or something. just tell me the chapter and page.
what are you trying to confuse me.
eileen>>erza
erza can cause grievous injuries to eileen because of ds.
aconologia>=igneel
igneel gave aconologia an extreme diff fight even though he has ds
yeah the above doesnt compute at all
nope. now you are trolling. dues sema and erza sword strike are simple brute force attacks. like reiko and gray ds moves
you literally used freed runes, which has been shown to stop laxus superior plus other people without taxing freed at all.
except we know eileen hyping it her self. atleast its her top tier move
i know. but pof allowed natsu to burn infinite and immortal zeref (even aconologia couldnt kill zeref). pof allowing erza to do something only august tier and above can do isnt far fetch at all here.
so basically only one person in the entire history used flames of emotions. natsu used flames of emotions or pof against say gajeel, laxus?
igneel is the master of flames of emotions, i see. so why didnt igneel one shot aconologia with flames of emotions. i mean igneel is almost as strong as aconologia, has ds advantage, and apparently can also use flames of emotion (much better than natsu obviously)
simple. you have to be equal or stronger to over power mages strongest attack. lyon does not have power to stop jellal sema, he doesnt have power to stop that union raid. this means erza should be same. she shouldnt have been able to destroy deus sema. she did, with pof. meaning pof erza is alot stronger than erza
this is called headcannon. a better explanation is dragons arent weak to ds magic. their scales just dont handle it like they do normal magic. that is why aconologia didnt one shot igneel. even though he was around igneel level. yet pof erza did one shot irene. the unknown factor is pof. nothing else
Faris took his MP, which is what gives him his stats. Durability of his skin included.
We don't know who else in history had flames of emotion, but yes Igneel was the strongest user. He probably did use flames of emotion against Acno. Acno was just stronger.
No, you don't. You only have to be stronger than the other person to overcome their attack if the attack they're using is an exhaustive one containing all their power, which Deus Sema is not for Irene. Erza's slash is just a better attack than Deus Sema. She's not stronger than Irene overall.
There's no functional difference. We're still left with Erza tier dragon slayers being a threat to Irene level dragons, and Aldoron being able to tank millions of Natsu's FDK destruction fists. That difference is a product of their stats. And sure, we can say Erza is stronger than normal with POF... But not to the point where it outweighs a million of Natsu's attacks.
I think its blocked or something. just tell me the chapter and page.
what are you trying to confuse me.
eileen>>erza
erza can cause grievous injuries to eileen because of ds.
aconologia>=igneel
igneel gave aconologia an extreme diff fight even though he has ds
yeah the above doesnt compute at all
nope. now you are trolling. dues sema and erza sword strike are simple brute force attacks. like reiko and gray ds moves
you literally used freed runes, which has been shown to stop laxus superior plus other people without taxing freed at all.
except we know eileen hyping it her self. atleast its her top tier move
i know. but pof allowed natsu to burn infinite and immortal zeref (even aconologia couldnt kill zeref). pof allowing erza to do something only august tier and above can do isnt far fetch at all here.
How often was Igneel hit by DS magic? As I recall only the move that killed him was magic. That aside, different characters, different durability. Adaron is more durable than other God Dragons imo, there's no issue.
The fact that they stopped Laxus' superior was my point lol. Different spells, different effects.
That doesn't mean she put more effort into it than Benizakura. So is Benizakura and Dimaria's full powered attack.
Natsu has flames of emotion and the power of the entire guild behind him. Erza has a clear and explicit explanation that throughout the history of the manga has been consistently effective at letting lower tiers hurt their superiors, aka Slayer advantage. Completely ignoring that explanation and instead attributing Erza Natsu's unique powers and circumstances, in order to say she's stronger than someone the manga clearly doesn't want you to think she's stronger than, is ludicrous.
Faris took his MP, which is what gives him his stats. Durability of his skin included.
We don't know who else in history had flames of emotion, but yes Igneel was the strongest user. He probably did use flames of emotion against Acno. Acno was just stronger.
No, you don't. You only have to be stronger than the other person to overcome their attack if the attack they're using is an exhaustive one containing all their power, which Deus Sema is not for Irene. Erza's slash is just a better attack than Deus Sema. She's not stronger than Irene overall.
There's no functional difference. We're still left with Erza tier dragon slayers being a threat to Irene level dragons, and Aldoron being able to tank millions of Natsu's FDK destruction fists. That difference is a product of their stats. And sure, we can say Erza is stronger than normal with POF... But not to the point where it outweighs a million of Natsu's attacks.
Faris took his MP, which is what gives him his stats. Durability of his skin included.
In other words, just like normal mages. in a fight can tank hell fire. when not looking get knocked out by random punch. thus aconologia can stab himself, by controlling his own mp. or when not expecting an attack
We don't know who else in history had flames of emotion, but yes Igneel was the strongest user. He probably did use flames of emotion against Acno. Acno was just stronger.
what seriously
erza with pof and ds can nearly take out dragon irene (dragon irene>>erza)
but igneel with flames of emotions and ds cant even take out aconologia (even though acnologia >=igneel)
even natsu destroyed zeref infinite magic and his immortality (which even aconolgia couldnt)
i am starting to think this flames of emotion is just a random name for pof, nothing more
No, you don't. You only have to be stronger than the other person to overcome their attack if the attack they're using is an exhaustive one containing all their power, which Deus Sema is not for Irene. Erza's slash is just a better attack than Deus Sema. She's not stronger than Irene overall.
deus sema is still top tier move of irene. someone alot weaker shouldnt be able to destroy it. gmg jellal vs gmg lyon comes here again
and again the question comes, jellal wasnt anymore taxed by sema than irene was, why did he use it against jura, knowing someone alot weaker can stop it
i dont think erza is stronger than irene. but i think that pof did exactly the same thing for erza which it did for natsu (or for gray vs invel). nothing more nothing less.
There's no functional difference. We're still left with Erza tier dragon slayers being a threat to Irene level dragons, and Aldoron being able to tank millions of Natsu's FDK destruction fists. That difference is a product of their stats. And sure, we can say Erza is stronger than normal with POF... But not to the point where it outweighs a million of Natsu's attacks.
it is, because there is no threshold where dragon suddenly gets biggeer boost or bigger durablity
dragon irene >>irene>erza
if erza with ds can take out dragon irene
then the most simple prediction would be
dragon aconolgia >> aconolgia>some super strong character
that super strong character should handle dragon acnologia just like erza handled dragon irene
the above is the most simplest explanation with nothing added from me.
now you want to add after certain power, dragon become different.
that
aconologia cant do to dragon aconologia what erza did to dragon irene.
(which is not incorrect because aconologia didnt one shot igneel)
but this is just you adding stuffs.
another easier way to handle this, is pof (we bith agree pof exists, and boosts people alot)
if flames of emotions is not more special than pof (like you clearly demonstrated with igneel example).
then pof can answer this question.
flames of emotion didnt even allow igneel to beat aconologia
flames of emotion allowed natsu to destroy immortal and infinity powered zeref(natsu himself had less mp than markarov who has alot less mp than average springgans)
pof allowed erza to almost defeat dragon irene
the above last two lines are similar. erza and natsu did something no one expected. igneel didnt do sh!t. both natsu and erza reached far above their weights (you can also add gray vs invel too). igneel lost to someone comparable to himself.
this also helps in not downplaying erza mother. if dragon magic is so effective against her. irene would have been one shot by literally any dragons during the war.
irene is erza's mother. there is no way in hell that mishma will make her low tier in any way
How often was Igneel hit by DS magic? As I recall only the move that killed him was magic. That aside, different characters, different durability. Adaron is more durable than other God Dragons imo, there's no issue.
The fact that they stopped Laxus' superior was my point lol. Different spells, different effects.
That doesn't mean she put more effort into it than Benizakura. So is Benizakura and Dimaria's full powered attack.
Natsu has flames of emotion and the power of the entire guild behind him. Erza has a clear and explicit explanation that throughout the history of the manga has been consistently effective at letting lower tiers hurt their superiors, aka Slayer advantage. Completely ignoring that explanation and instead attributing Erza Natsu's unique powers and circumstances, in order to say she's stronger than someone the manga clearly doesn't want you to think she's stronger than, is ludicrous.
i dont see anything new in the page.
its the same explanation we had before
but god slayer and maybe demon slayer dont turn to gods or demons.
for example silver had more chance in beating mard and koyoka or even jimma had no way chance in hell of beating mard . that means demon dont use demon slayer magic.
for dragon slayer, we have been told couple of times that they use the same magic as dragons
in other words if say atlas is stronger than alverzec ds erza
then he would have better chances of beating irene than alverzec erza had
basically nothing new in those panels
there is alot if issues. erza is << dragon irene
while aconolgia is > igneel
and they fought for reasonable length of time.
(dragon physical attacks work like ds magic)
yes, for hax. evergreen who can get low diffed by erza. still can one shot her with her haxy eyes
meanwhile mira cant even macro skullrion
hax works when mishma demands it. he himself knows no more
Benzikura is no longer erza top tier move. and without putting an effort it most likely isnt anything to talk about
dimeria example is that of main character exception. jura should still be stronger than wendy, but alverzec seems to suggest otherwise
ah you are the guy who pays close attention nakama speeches, lol. i remember we agreeing that erza was boosted with power of the dead and markarov at that time too
not really manga also showed invel was stronger than gray. when pof kicked in, you saw what happened. why wouldnt i think same wouldnt happen for erza, when we clearly see erza doing something she should not be doing
i dont see anything new in the page.
its the same explanation we had before
but god slayer and maybe demon slayer dont turn to gods or demons.
for example silver had more chance in beating mard and koyoka or even jimma had no way chance in hell of beating mard . that means demon dont use demon slayer magic.
for dragon slayer, we have been told couple of times that they use the same magic as dragons
in other words if say atlas is stronger than alverzec ds erza
then he would have better chances of beating irene than alverzec erza had
basically nothing new in those panels
there is alot if issues. erza is << dragon irene
while aconolgia is > igneel
and they fought for reasonable length of time.
(dragon physical attacks work like ds magic)
yes, for hax. evergreen who can get low diffed by erza. still can one shot her with her haxy eyes
meanwhile mira cant even macro skullrion
hax works when mishma demands it. he himself knows no more
Benzikura is no longer erza top tier move. and without putting an effort it most likely isnt anything to talk about
dimeria example is that of main character exception. jura should still be stronger than wendy, but alverzec seems to suggest otherwise
ah you are the guy who pays close attention nakama speeches, lol. i remember we agreeing that erza was boosted with power of the dead and markarov at that time too
not really manga also showed invel was stronger than gray. when pof kicked in, you saw what happened. why wouldnt i think same wouldnt happen for erza, when we clearly see erza doing something she should not be doing
Of course there's nothing new, DeS magic has always been comparable to DS magic, that's the point.
Silver's magic is in the same category as the 9 Demon Gates, Bloodman says so. Silver has a better chance because he's not susceptible to it.
Not really, just means Igneel has better durability feats than Eileen and even that might not be true since as I said, Eileen wasn't oneshot. Plus we didn't see Acno land any actual DS magic.
Yes, just like non hax spells work however Mashima demands it lol, like.... Deus Sema for instance... or Dimaria's full powered attack... or Benizakura... or Momento Mori.... or pretty much anything.
Sure, it's still well above Kyria though. Yep, he should be, and yet Wendy can block Dimaria's full powered attack despite being weaker than Jura. Like I said, no exceptions need to be created for Eileen, they're already out there.
I don't know what you mean by close attention, I'd say the standard is fine. As for Erza getting the power of Makarov, I said it's fine if that's what you believe, and if you admit it right here that Erza got Makarov's power and it was that power that allowed her to do everything she did, then sure, I'll end the Deus Sema discussion here.
Gray didn't get PoF, he got his long foreshadowed power of Darkness from his Demon Slayer magic, it's no different to Hades using his Devils Eye. On top of that, Gray was portrayed well above Invel, Erza was at no point portrayed above, or even equal to Eileen. Even after all she did, she was the unquestioned inferior. Like I said, Erza is to Eileen what Gray was to Mard Geer, that gap in power was obviously Mashima's intent, and we both know it.
Of course there's nothing new, DeS magic has always been comparable to DS magic, that's the point.
Silver's magic is in the same category as the 9 Demon Gates, Bloodman says so. Silver has a better chance because he's not susceptible to it.
Not really, just means Igneel has better durability feats than Eileen and even that might not be true since as I said, Eileen wasn't oneshot. Plus we didn't see Acno land any actual DS magic.
Yes, just like non hax spells work however Mashima demands it lol, like.... Deus Sema for instance... or Dimaria's full powered attack... or Benizakura... or Momento Mori.... or pretty much anything.
Sure, it's still well above Kyria though. Yep, he should be, and yet Wendy can block Dimaria's full powered attack despite being weaker than Jura. Like I said, no exceptions need to be created for Eileen, they're already out there.
I don't know what you mean by close attention, I'd say the standard is fine. As for Erza getting the power of Makarov, I said it's fine if that's what you believe, and if you admit it right here that Erza got Makarov's power and it was that power that allowed her to do everything she did, then sure, I'll end the Deus Sema discussion here.
Gray didn't get PoF, he got his long foreshadowed power of Darkness from his Demon Slayer magic, it's no different to Hades using his Devils Eye. On top of that, Gray was portrayed well above Invel, Erza was at no point portrayed above, or even equal to Eileen. Even after all she did, she was the unquestioned inferior. Like I said, Erza is to Eileen what Gray was to Mard Geer, that gap in power was obviously Mashima's intent, and we both know it.
so a simple move from koyoka will have mard screaming like that
lol i am not talking about hax with you
technically i believe gray erza and natsu (even laxus) got pof. but if i am actually to believe the crap they say during nakama speech. then yes, erza got boosted with markarov power
( i remember in anime atleast edola natsu borrowing magic from the future as well )
grey was portrayed well below invel till feelings took over. meanwhile erza was causally one shotted by irene, suddenly erza was destroying irene hyped up move (after getting power up from dead markarov). the only reason you are saying erza looked inferior to irene is because she was still standing after nearly getting killed and erza was out magic (pof ds erza vs dragon irene did not show irene as superior)
i would also like to point out that after gray overpowered invel strongest move (with huge effort) he beat up invel, this is not different from erza destroying deus sema and then nearly one shotting irene
gray showed hurting mard easily and handling mard spells easily. when did ds erza did that.
you might be right though. it is kinda official manga position but
but i think its possible
eos pof erza>dragon irene
but no matter how strong erza went irene still had immunity to non ds magic
which then wendy took care of
eos pof erza will later blast rot aconologia across the sky, which i dont thing dragon irene could do
mishma can easily take whatever position he want now. though saying dragons are weak to dragon magic just like demon will be a loop whole.
because much weaker dragons will be taking out stronger dragons (mard afterall was >>gray)
so a simple move from koyoka will have mard screaming like that
lol i am not talking about hax with you
technically i believe gray erza and natsu (even laxus) got pof. but if i am actually to believe the crap they say during nakama speech. then yes, erza got boosted with markarov power
( i remember in anime atleast edola natsu borrowing magic from the future as well )
grey was portrayed well below invel till feelings took over. meanwhile erza was causally one shotted by irene, suddenly erza was destroying irene hyped up move (after getting power up from dead markarov). the only reason you are saying erza looked inferior to irene is because she was still standing after nearly getting killed and erza was out magic (pof ds erza vs dragon irene did not show irene as superior)
i would also like to point out that after gray overpowered invel strongest move (with huge effort) he beat up invel, this is not different from erza destroying deus sema and then nearly one shotting irene
gray showed hurting mard easily and handling mard spells easily. when did ds erza did that.
you might be right though. it is kinda official manga position but
but i think its possible
eos pof erza>dragon irene
but no matter how strong erza went irene still had immunity to non ds magic
which then wendy took care of
eos pof erza will later blast rot aconologia across the sky, which i dont thing dragon irene could do
mishma can easily take whatever position he want now. though saying dragons are weak to dragon magic just like demon will be a loop whole.
because much weaker dragons will be taking out stronger dragons (mard afterall was >>gray)
No, Mard would oneshot her before she even got close to him. If he just stood there and said "Kyoka, hit me" then yeah, Mard would prob be hurting.
So is that a no on the Makarov power? That felt like a no.
Not really, Gray was about equal to Invel once he was using DeS, maybe stronger. As for why I'm saying Erza was inferior, I mean yes, the reason you outlined is pretty damn good hahaha. But it's also just the fight in general being pretty much the same as Gray vs Mard, same advantages, same PoF, relatively similar performances.
When she slashed Eileen?
Anything's possible, I just find it incredibly unlikely. Mashima clearly wanted Eileen superior just like he wanted Mard superior.
I do, in fact I think Jellal and anyone on his tier can do it too. Even with magic immunity Jellal nearly pushed him into RoT. Weaker characters have been knocking over stronger characters since the beginning of the manga, you don't even need PoF. In fact Erza didn't even have PoF against Acno
As for the loop hole, not really, stronger dragons will just tank the hit and then oneshot.
Faris took his MP, which is what gives him his stats. Durability of his skin included.
In other words, just like normal mages. in a fight can tank hell fire. when not looking get knocked out by random punch. thus aconologia can stab himself, by controlling his own mp. or when not expecting an attack
We don't know who else in history had flames of emotion, but yes Igneel was the strongest user. He probably did use flames of emotion against Acno. Acno was just stronger.
what seriously
erza with pof and ds can nearly take out dragon irene (dragon irene>>erza)
but igneel with flames of emotions and ds cant even take out aconologia (even though acnologia >=igneel)
even natsu destroyed zeref infinite magic and his immortality (which even aconolgia couldnt)
i am starting to think this flames of emotion is just a random name for pof, nothing more
No, you don't. You only have to be stronger than the other person to overcome their attack if the attack they're using is an exhaustive one containing all their power, which Deus Sema is not for Irene. Erza's slash is just a better attack than Deus Sema. She's not stronger than Irene overall.
There's no functional difference. We're still left with Erza tier dragon slayers being a threat to Irene level dragons, and Aldoron being able to tank millions of Natsu's FDK destruction fists. That difference is a product of their stats. And sure, we can say Erza is stronger than normal with POF... But not to the point where it outweighs a million of Natsu's attacks.
it is, because there is no threshold where dragon suddenly gets biggeer boost or bigger durablity
dragon irene >>irene>erza
if erza with ds can take out dragon irene
then the most simple prediction would be
dragon aconolgia >> aconolgia>some super strong character
that super strong character should handle dragon acnologia just like erza handled dragon irene
the above is the most simplest explanation with nothing added from me.
now you want to add after certain power, dragon become different.
that
aconologia cant do to dragon aconologia what erza did to dragon irene.
(which is not incorrect because aconologia didnt one shot igneel)
but this is just you adding stuffs.
another easier way to handle this, is pof (we bith agree pof exists, and boosts people alot)
if flames of emotions is not more special than pof (like you clearly demonstrated with igneel example).
then pof can answer this question.
flames of emotion didnt even allow igneel to beat aconologia
flames of emotion allowed natsu to destroy immortal and infinity powered zeref(natsu himself had less mp than markarov who has alot less mp than average springgans)
pof allowed erza to almost defeat dragon irene
the above last two lines are similar. erza and natsu did something no one expected. igneel didnt do sh!t. both natsu and erza reached far above their weights (you can also add gray vs invel too). igneel lost to someone comparable to himself.
this also helps in not downplaying erza mother. if dragon magic is so effective against her. irene would have been one shot by literally any dragons during the war.
irene is erza's mother. there is no way in hell that mishma will make her low tier in any way
That has nothing to do with what I said. Mercphobia didn't have his magic power, at the time, so he simply wasn't as durable. This has nothing to do with him not paying attention to incoming attacks. I suppose Acnologia could control his MP to make himself weaker to stab himself. But that's not really the point. If Ignia grabbed Erza's sword and tried to cut Acnologia with it, the sword's gonna snap under the force of Ignia's strength and Acnologia's durability.
Anyways, when I'm comparing Acnologia's durability to Irene's, I'm really comparing how they handled incoming attacks. Erza's and Wendy attacks could cut Irene here.
Acnologia completely no sells attacks from all the dragon slayers combined, and just takes Gajeel's sword to the chest.
Deus Sema doesn't take up all of Irene's MP, so Erza doesn't have to be stronger than Irene herself to break it. In fact, Irene herself pointed out that it's harder to cut a dragon scales than it is to cut a meteor. So without a slayer advantage, Irene's dragon form would have been harder to cut than Deus Sema. Which brings up another point. I am not convinced that Deus Sema is made out of a tougher material than that of Sema. Sema and Deus Sema are both magic that involves pulling a rock from space, and hurling it towards a target. Deus Sema is a bigger rock, presumably creating a larger explosion upon impact. But the actual material of the rock should just be from whatever meteor they plucked from orbit. It would only be harder to cut in the sense that there's more material.
Flames of emotion is a part of Natsu's dragon slaying magic, which he learned from Igneel. It's unique to their particular style of magic. Power of emotions is something that everyone can use. Acnologia is stronger than Zeref and Natsu combined, even including FH and Flames of Emotions. Igneel actually won the first match against Acno. Acno had cuts all over his body and was coughing up blood. Acnologia just had more power left over and Igneel's was running low, so Acnologia won the rematch.
Yeah, I'm not following what you're trying to say. The fact still remains that Erza with her enchanted sword is a threat to Irene level dragons. God Dragons like Aldoron only take 1 point of damage out of their 100 million points of health from Natsu's fire dragon king destruction fist. At some point, Aldoron's sheer stats put him out of the oneshot range of Erza-tier dragon slayers. Irene isn't out of that range. I don't see why it needs to be more complicated than this.
Doesn’t change the fact Igneel is an acno tier dragon, just that he is probably the weakest outside of a nerfed 50% merc. After all, it was implied acno wasn’t still going all out against Igneel.
Face can't give you cuts or make you cough up blood. Acnologia should have been the last person on the continent to fall to face, given that he had the most MP and actually has resistance to all types of magic. At best, face provided a distraction for Igneel to whacked him.
Face can't give you cuts or make you cough up blood. Acnologia should have been the last person on the continent to fall to face, given that he had the most MP and actually has resistance to all types of magic. At best, face provided a distraction for Igneel to whacked him.
IDK man. I get what you're saying, but it really did seem to me that Acno went down because of face. It was too much of a coincidence. Maybe it's due to the fact that Acno is born human, while Igneel is a natural dragon
Acno went down because of Igneel. Face going off was the symbol of despair that went through the entirety of Fairy Tail, Igneel smashing Acno into the dirt was the symbol of hope to combat that.
Acno being down because of Face would contradict the narrative of the chapter, because in the end that would mean Face actually helped Fairy Tail more than anything
That aside, if Acno going down was just face, Igneel would've gone down first. He's much more reliant on magic than Acno, it's why he had to hide inside Natsu.
Acno pretty much went down because of Face, considering that it affects magic and Acno is mostly magic based, Face would do more harm as it would leave END resurrected and Alvarez invading.
Yes, it was do to face. I was never taking away what Igneel did to him by saying face resulted in him going down, cause Igneel did do damage prior to it. But Acnologia would be stupid to let himself get knocked out completely if later on it’s confirmed he wasn’t going all out. And it was confirmed by the author that acno was indeed the strongest character in the original series, so people should have no business putting him on on equal levels.
Igneel is pretty much the strongest dragon that isn’t a DG or acno, and that’s nothing but praise.
The Irene fight was utter bs. I don't see how anyone uses that as a gauge of Irene's abilities. Same w/August v Gild.
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Erza def used PoF. She used it against Irene to bust Deus Sema and do damage against her and she used it against RoT Acno to knock him out of the sky. She did these things dubbed as impossible for the sake of her friends.
Irene's fight is a perfectly legitimate showcase of her and Erza's abilities. It doesn't even matter if POF made Erza stronger. It probably did. It's just that however strong you think POF made Erza, that's what it takes to take down a dragon on Irene's level. Just because a character uses POF, that doesn't mean it's a green light to throw logic out the window. As for how strong POF actually made Erza? Well, you can compare her feats.
Erza pushing Acnologia to a boat is comparable to the Christina airship pushing Acnologia into the rift. Neither attacks actually did any damage to Acnologia. They just moved him.
Erza had POF in the fight against Mercphobia. So did the rest of team Natsu. Their attacks did pretty much nothing.
Aldoron's HP is worth 100,000,000 Fire Dragon King's Destruction Fists. However strong you think POF made Erza, it's unlikely that she's striking with 100,000,000 times the force of Natsu's FDK spell against Irene.
IDK man. I get what you're saying, but it really did seem to me that Acno went down because of face. It was too much of a coincidence. Maybe it's due to the fact that Acno is born human, while Igneel is a natural dragon
That shouldn't really matter because face affects everyone who uses magic, and dragons have no special resistance to it. If anything, Acnologia is the only character who is resistant to all types of magic. So if anyone had resistance to face, it would have been him.
Acnologia didn't revert to his human form, and had enough MP in his tank to roar at Igneel in their rematch. If face wiped out all of his MP, then he probably would have needed to rest for a day. Keep in mind that one of Acnologia's roar is more powerful than pretty much the entire cast. If he can recover that much MP in such a short amount of time, then his MP is effectively impossible to exhaust.
Acno pretty much went down because of Face, considering that it affects magic and Acno is mostly magic based, Face would do more harm as it would leave END resurrected and Alvarez invading.
Not really. The parent dragons would have stomped out Tartaros if they needed to. If END's power started making Natsu act up, then Igneel could just pin him under his toe since he no longer has to fight Acnologia. Heck. If Acnologia was dead and Igneel had gotten a chance to talk with Zeref, then Zeref might have even helped them. Igneel could explain how he was going to leave his power in Natsu's arm to kill Zeref with, and they could talk about how they need to make sure Natsu doesn't die with Zeref by rewriting the book. The entire Alvarez War could have potentially been avoided with a bit of planning. Speaking of which, Alvarez would need to disable face before they mounted an invasion otherwise they're stuck in the same boat.
But that's assuming the parent dragons were unaffected by face. Which is probably not the case. The whole reason that the parent dragons had to time travel in the first place was to find an era where the ethernano was high so they could recover their powers. If the parent dragons were completely unaffected by face, then they truly blundered the opportunity to kill Acnologia. They could have waited until Igneel killed Acnologia to make their move. What's far more likely was that face was a threat to everyone who uses magic, and the parent dragons had to wipe it out before they lost all their magic too.
The Parent Dragons were going to die anyway, Zeref would not listen if he can’t die, and losing END would be a blow to that and would affirm his position to get FH and do the NE, if he was planing on leaving Natsu his power then he would have told him since before leaving for Eclipse and considering Zeref came to the conclusion since Tenrou Island because he deemed Natsu unable to kill him. I doubt that Face would affect the Parent Dragons’ ability of flight. No, It is not like some sort of field of affect, it would just attack everyone in the continent at the time
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