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Only Aldo seed got weakened, because Aldo seed shares MP with dragon Aldo.

Star dress mix has better striking than Iron Dragon club. Taurus dress might also have marginally stronger striking than iron dragon club, but Gajeel managed to cut a golem the next chapter with iron dragon sword for similar amounts of damage. However, this is all irrelevant because Gajeel simply isn't going all out here. Gajeel can trade shots, frustrate, and tire out LFD Natsu. Aquarius, who is stronger than Yokai-Lucy considers LFD to be lethal to Lucy.
 

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Gajeel managed to cut a golem the next chapter with iron dragon sword for similar amounts of damage.
Yes, when golems were weakened, just when Lucy damaged one with Taurus dress.
They seemed unvulnerable (Gajeel's strike and co to nothing) and then after Doom's defeat, people damaged them just when Aldo explained that his magic was weakened. Coincidence ??
 

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Why are we comparing a recovering Gajeel to Lucy? People are acting like he didn’t have a knock-down drag out with LFD Natsu prior to this.
 

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Yes, when golems were weakened, just when Lucy damaged one with Taurus dress.
They seemed unvulnerable (Gajeel's strike and co to nothing) and then after Doom's defeat, people damaged them just when Aldo explained that his magic was weakened. Coincidence ??
The golems weren't weakened. FT just started using better attacks.
 

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And honestly, oneshotting Erza and Natsu already gives him a decent chance at taking out August or Irene. Irene and August probably have more MP, but Suzaku's got the best speed feats from a non-Acno tier and his attack power is better.
Suzaku might not be faster than erza (irene as well). though mishma might push that in the start.

if you look at the feat. Suzaku starts to attack natsu. erza went from being behind natsu to moving infront of him, summoning a swords, and positioning herself in a perfect block stance, all while suzaku still was attacking natsu.
mishma might push for suzaku being faster than erza in initial part of erza va suzaku (if that happens) but that feat showed erza to be faster. and irene was faster than erza

we dont know the extent of irene attack power. she was pretty causal with aconolgia, and wasnt trying to hurt him, suzaku with selene. though irene did technically beat aconolgia. making him leave the battle for a very long time
 

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Suzaku might not be faster than erza (irene as well). though mishma might push that in the start.

if you look at the feat. Suzaku starts to attack natsu. erza went from being behind natsu to moving infront of him, summoning a swords, and positioning herself in a perfect block stance, all while suzaku still was attacking natsu.
mishma might push for suzaku being faster than erza in initial part of erza va suzaku (if that happens) but that feat showed erza to be faster. and irene was faster than erza

we dont know the extent of irene attack power. she was pretty causal with aconolgia, and wasnt trying to hurt him, suzaku with selene. though irene did technically beat aconolgia. making him leave the battle for a very long time
He's way faster than both. He told everyone he was about to attack before he made the first slash, so Erza knew what was coming before he drew his sword. By the time Erza blocked his first slash, his sword had already returned to his sheath. Erza flat couldn't respond to the 2nd slash. I mean, that's just strictly faster.

Wendy could react and block Irene's enchanments. She could also land shots on Irene. In general Suzaku dealt with Erza and Natsu much better than Irene did with Erza and Wendy.

Irene couldn't hurt Acno with magic even if she tries. He no sold roars from Igneel, who is flat out several tiers stronger than Irene.

Universe One requires preparation. Irene had to place enchanments on the land before the battle began. I don't consider bfr a testament to fighting ability either.
 

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Sooo is it still a debate guys??
 

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No :yodawg
 

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He's way faster than both. He told everyone he was about to attack before he made the first slash, so Erza knew what was coming before he drew his sword. By the time Erza blocked his first slash, his sword had already returned to his sheath. Erza flat couldn't respond to the 2nd slash. I mean, that's just strictly faster.

Wendy could react and block Irene's enchanments. She could also land shots on Irene. In general Suzaku dealt with Erza and Natsu much better than Irene did with Erza and Wendy.

Irene couldn't hurt Acno with magic even if she tries. He no sold roars from Igneel, who is flat out several tiers stronger than Irene.

Universe One requires preparation. Irene had to place enchanments on the land before the battle began. I don't consider bfr a testament to fighting ability either.
Doesn't matter. Erza covered huge distance while suzaku movement was minimal. This distance was covered in same time. Aka erza is faster.
Though mishma might go for suzaku being faster.

I dont think suzaku made more than one strike. The move erza blocked was the move that broke erza sword and injured her.
Erza started all her movement after suzaku started unsheathing his sword.

I think Wendy only hit Irene when Irene was distracted or in wrong body.

Irene can hurt aconologia just fine. His magical immunity is far beyond selene
 

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Doesn't matter. Erza covered huge distance while suzaku movement was minimal. This distance was covered in same time. Aka erza is faster.
Though mishma might go for suzaku being faster.

I dont think suzaku made more than one strike. The move erza blocked was the move that broke erza sword and injured her.
Erza started all her movement after suzaku started unsheathing his sword.

I think Wendy only hit Irene when Irene was distracted or in wrong body.

Irene can hurt aconologia just fine. His magical immunity is far beyond selene
Based on what?
 

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Doesn't matter. Erza covered huge distance while suzaku movement was minimal. This distance was covered in same time. Aka erza is faster.
Though mishma might go for suzaku being faster.

I dont think suzaku made more than one strike. The move erza blocked was the move that broke erza sword and injured her.
Erza started all her movement after suzaku started unsheathing his sword.

I think Wendy only hit Irene when Irene was distracted or in wrong body.

Irene can hurt aconologia just fine. His magical immunity is far beyond selene
Of course it matters. In fact that's all that matters. Suzaku made more cuts than Erza could defend.

Suzaku made 2 slashes. The one that Erza blocked is verticle and made contact at head level. This broke her sword. The second slash went horizontally across her midsection. The way Erza held the sword to defend against Suzaku wouldn't have actually blocked the slash to her belly. The sword broke before Erza's wounds opened up too.

Irene can't hurt Acnologia at all. The distraction argument simply doesn't work. Irene engaging Erza allowed Wendy to land a hit. Suzaku stomped Erza, and then Natsu....and then Wendy and Gray and Lucy decided to run away because they knew they stood no chance.
 

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Based on what?
Based on erza blasting rot aconologia across the town and irene literally having magic to separate dragons from ds magic.
Irene and August packed a huge punch.
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Of course it matters. In fact that's all that matters. Suzaku made more cuts than Erza could defend.

Suzaku made 2 slashes. The one that Erza blocked is verticle and made contact at head level. This broke her sword. The second slash went horizontally across her midsection. The way Erza held the sword to defend against Suzaku wouldn't have actually blocked the slash to her belly. The sword broke before Erza's wounds opened up too.

Irene can't hurt Acnologia at all. The distraction argument simply doesn't work. Irene engaging Erza allowed Wendy to land a hit. Suzaku stomped Erza, and then Natsu....and then Wendy and Gray and Lucy decided to run away because they knew they stood no chance.
I dont thinks its two. Only one point of erza sword is shown, which breaks, that is why she is hit. Either how erza reacted to all. She even knew she was gonna get hit because her sword broke. Suzaku mentions this too

Yes she can. That is why aconologia was talking to her. That is why aconologia said fighting her would be interesting. That is why aconologia was so shocked he wanted to know who she was

Yes it does. She just saw her long lost daughter again. And is clearly talking to her. Pretty sure wendy could land hits on aconologia like this too, if he is talking to his lost love

Suzaku stomped erza like marin stomped erza. Its not that impressive. If ersa faces a suzaku again that won't happen again
 

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I dont thinks its two. Only one point of erza sword is shown, which breaks, that is why she is hit. Either how erza reacted to all. She even knew she was gonna get hit because her sword broke. Suzaku mentions this too

Yes she can. That is why aconologia was talking to her. That is why aconologia said fighting her would be interesting. That is why aconologia was so shocked he wanted to know who she was

Yes it does. She just saw her long lost daughter again. And is clearly talking to her. Pretty sure wendy could land hits on aconologia like this too, if he is talking to his lost love

Suzaku stomped erza like marin stomped erza. Its not that impressive. If ersa faces a suzaku again that won't happen again
He made 2 cuts. This is the cut that he made on Erza. It went horizontally across her belly.
In red is where the slash would have been on Erza's body. In orange is all the angles of attack Suzaku could have done against Erza's sword judging from how it impacted Erza's sword.
Not to mention, Erza's sword broke at a different time than when her wounds opened up. If they were both the result of the same strike, the damage would have been simultaneous. Erza would not have time to express shock at the sword breaking before the wound started spraying blood. Suzaku was surprised that Erza could react to one of his attacks. Honestly, having to dwell this deep into it is a bit absurd. Suzaku stomped Erza in 2 pages. I don't see how anyone can look at that and say Erza was faster. He's also doing stuff that Erza has never done, like cutting things behind him in a seat position before anyone realized what's going on. It's so obvious that he's portrayed as faster than Erza.

No, she can't and they both know she can't. All Acnologia said was that Irene's magic power was impressive for someone that was taught by Zeref. Which says absolutely nothing about her chances of actually hurting him. Igneel, while dead, had enough power in his corpse to kill Zeref. Acnologia no-sold his roars. Also, Acnologia knows that he's immune to magic. In fact, we know that Irene can't damage Acnologia because we can actually track all of her feats. None of the attacks she used against Erza and Wendy in her human form could get past Wendy's barrier, much less Acno's broken immunity to magic. The claw swipe he used against Erza would be weaker than a punch from Igneel. Deus Sema is useless against Acno because it's not dragon slaying magic, and he can eat it. She enchanted her remaining power into Wendy right before she was about to commit suicide, and used all of it to beat Nebaru. This attack didn't even deal 1 point of damage to Aldoron's skin. So what exactly was Irene going to pull to hurt Acno?


No, Wendy couldn't. None of the dragon slayers landed a clean shot on him despite Acno talking the entire time. He blocked or dodged all of their attacks cleanly. Only Laxus even got close to landing a shot on Acno, and his attack was blocked and then Acno literally stepped on him.
 
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He made 2 cuts. This is the cut that he made on Erza. It went horizontally across her belly.
In red is where the slash would have been on Erza's body. In orange is all the angles of attack Suzaku could have done against Erza's sword judging from what we can see from Erza's sword.
Not to mention, Erza's sword broke at a different time than when her wounds opened up. If they were both the result of the same strike, the damage would have been simultaneous. Erza would not have time to express shock at the sword breaking before the wound started spraying blood. Suzaku was surprised that Erza could react to one of his attacks. Honestly, having to dwell this deep into it is a bit absurd. Suzaku stomped Erza in 2 pages. I don't see how anyone can look at that and say Erza was faster. He's also doing stuff that Erza has never done, like cutting things behind him in a seat position before anyone realized what's going on. It's so obvious that he's portrayed as faster than Erza.

No, she can't and they both know she can't. All Acnologia said was that Irene's magic power was impressive for someone that was taught by Zeref. Which says absolutely nothing about her chances of actually hurting him. Igneel, while dead, had enough power in his corpse to kill Zeref. Acnologia no-sold his roars. Also, Acnologia knows that he's immune to magic. In fact, we know that Irene can't damage Acnologia because we can actually track all of her feats. None of the attacks she used against Erza and Wendy in her human form could get past Wendy's barrier, much less Acno's broken immunity to magic. The claw swipe he used against Erza would be weaker than a punch from Igneel. Deus Sema is useless against Acno because it's not dragon slaying magic, and he can eat it. She enchanted her remaining power into Wendy right before she was about to commit suicide, and used all of it to beat Nebaru. This attack didn't even deal 1 point of damage to Aldoron's skin. So what exactly was Irene going to pull to hurt Acno?


No, Wendy couldn't. None of the dragon slayers landed a clean shot on him despite Acno talking the entire time. He blocked or dodged all of their attacks cleanly. Only Laxus even got close to landing a shot on Acno, and his attack was blocked and then Acno literally stepped on him.
Those pictures don't show two strikes. You are trying to see which might not be there. All I can see that suzaku attacked, in that time erza went from being behind natsu and un armed to.being infront of natsu and trying to block
Since she used random sword, suzaku move broke her sword and injured her.
That is pretty much it. It doesn't look like suzaku made.any more moves

Mishma might go for suzaku being faster, but technically this feat shows erza to be faster and yes mishma might not see it that way
Bit suzaku statement made it clear that erza speed is near or around his own

Injury thing could be simply explained erza reacting at high speed. Erza blocked her sword broke, erza expression and then erza injury.

No aconologia literally said this would be interesting. Irene ability to enchant things make it difficult for aconologia to eat it.

Wendy can't block sh!t. When irene was serious wendy was already out.
All irene magic is ds magic. Yes that deus sema would hurt aconologia. Its ds magic

Igneel being able to kill zeref is wrong. Even aconologia cannot kill zeref. The thing you are talking about is power of the dead, which might kill zeref. Zeref didn't know that. It is a possibility that natsu using dead igneel power could do it. The main point being dead igneel

Irene can pull same things as suzaku. By enchanting ground and air around him. Making it impossible for aconologia to eat anything.

Are you comparing aconologia chatting ds to aconologia meeting his long lost love lol
 

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Those pictures don't show two strikes. You are trying to see which might not be there. All I can see that suzaku attacked, in that time erza went from being behind natsu and un armed to.being infront of natsu and trying to block
Since she used random sword, suzaku move broke her sword and injured her.
That is pretty much it. It doesn't look like suzaku made.any more moves

Mishma might go for suzaku being faster, but technically this feat shows erza to be faster and yes mishma might not see it that way
Bit suzaku statement made it clear that erza speed is near or around his own

Injury thing could be simply explained erza reacting at high speed. Erza blocked her sword broke, erza expression and then erza injury.

No aconologia literally said this would be interesting. Irene ability to enchant things make it difficult for aconologia to eat it.

Wendy can't block sh!t. When irene was serious wendy was already out.
All irene magic is ds magic. Yes that deus sema would hurt aconologia. Its ds magic

Igneel being able to kill zeref is wrong. Even aconologia cannot kill zeref. The thing you are talking about is power of the dead, which might kill zeref. Zeref didn't know that. It is a possibility that natsu using dead igneel power could do it. The main point being dead igneel

Irene can pull same things as suzaku. By enchanting ground and air around him. Making it impossible for aconologia to eat anything.

Are you comparing aconologia chatting ds to aconologia meeting his long lost love lol
Yes, it does. Erza is blocking in a fashion that wouldn't have blocked the slash to her abs. Satisfy my curiosity. Draw the path you think Suzaku's slash took in the image of Erza blocking. Maybe you can square the circle, and explain how a vertical cut aimed at the head/shoulders managed to make a horizontal wound on Erza's belly. Not only that, but we see the sword break before Erza's wounds open up. If Suzaku broke the sword and wounded Erza with the same cut, the wound and sword breaking would have been simultaneous. It's not like Erza's body knows that it must pause for dramatic effect to start bleeding.
Erza's not faster than Suzaku in the panels lol. You can't get 2 shotted by someone and still claim to be faster. At best, she barely reacted to his first attack. Factor in everything else, and he dusts Erza. He oneshotted Natsu before he could react.

Acnologia saying that this would be interesting does not in any way imply that Irene can damage him. This has already been debunked. Acnologia also said magic doesn't work on him, which as as statement about Acnologia's durability actually matters. He didn't even say fighting her would be interesting. He was saying that Irene's magical power was pretty impressive for someone taught by Zeref, and that was interesting. In the conversation that follows, he doubt that Zeref could beat him even with Fairy Heart.

Lots of people have the power of the dead. Doesn't make them all capable of killing Zeref. Come to think of it, Irene is dead and Wendy had her remaining power. Wendy ain't killing Zeref with the attack that defeated Nebaru. The attack still has to be powerful enough to defeat and deal lethal damage to Zeref. The fact is Igneel's corpse had enough to make Natsu stronger than Zeref, and anyone else in the Alvarez Empire. Including Irene. This was after he exhausted most of his power fighting Acnologia for 20 minutes. Of which, Igneel had to resort to mostly physical attacks because his flames got no-sold..

Wendy can block Irene's explosions. Irene never actually took Wendy out with her own attacks either. What happened was that Irene enchanted her personality onto Wendy. Then Wendy enchanted her own personality onto Irene, and in an act of desperation Irene clawed at herself to damage Wendy. None of this scales to anything that would even tickle Acno. None of this would even remotely tickle Aldoron or Merc tbh. No magical fireball that Wendy could block with her enchantments (and yes, Wendy can absolutely block Irene's fireballs) is going to hurt Acno when his immunity to magic lets him no-sell Igneel's roars.

Deus Sema isn't DS magic. It's a higher form of Jellal's magic, which is heavenly body magic. Quite frankly, it wouldn't do anything even if were DS magic because Acno is immune to DS magic too. Even if he wasn't, Irene said so herself that the meteor isn't as tough as her own dragon scales, so the rock itself isn't going to break Acnologia's vastly superior dragon scales. The explosion isn't to be hotter than Igneel's roar or have more MP. I don't see why Acno can't just jump up and break the damn thing either, unless we're wanking Erza's strength above Acno's. So yeah, even if we take away Acnologia's broken immunity to magic, one that makes him a bigger threat in combat than FH Zeref, he's still not getting damaged by Irene.

Every single magical attack that was used in the Erza + Wendy vs Irene fight, and also every single magical attack that was used in the Wendy vs Nebaru fight wouldn't even come close to scratching Acnologia's dragon form. Even against his human form, Irene does less damage to Acno than Mercphobia (who is bigger and stronger than Irene) did against Natsu with Ignia's flames (whom Acno is still stronger than). Speaking of which, Ignia's flames burned away Mercphobia's MP reserves for the foreseeable future. Acnologia would no sell them too. So how exactly does Irene top this?

Enchanting stuff doesn't stop Acnologia from eating. Acnologia eats magic and enchantments are magic. Eating is irrelevant anyways. Dragon slayers don't have to eat to be resistant to their elements. Eating is only for recovering MP and powerups. He's immune to magic regardless. If worse comes to worse, Acnologia can always cancel an incoming magic attack like Natsu did to melt. Only Acnologia is leagues above Irene, not tiers below August. Acnologia takes less damage from Irene's attacks than Lucy took from melt under Natsu's protection. And this is before factoring in his raw durability.
 
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Based on erza blasting rot aconologia across the town and irene literally having magic to separate dragons from ds magic.
Irene and August packed a huge punch.
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I dont thinks its two. Only one point of erza sword is shown, which breaks, that is why she is hit. Either how erza reacted to all. She even knew she was gonna get hit because her sword broke. Suzaku mentions this too

Yes she can. That is why aconologia was talking to her. That is why aconologia said fighting her would be interesting. That is why aconologia was so shocked he wanted to know who she was

Yes it does. She just saw her long lost daughter again. And is clearly talking to her. Pretty sure wendy could land hits on aconologia like this too, if he is talking to his lost love

Suzaku stomped erza like marin stomped erza. Its not that impressive. If ersa faces a suzaku again that won't happen again
Erza didn’t blast Acnologia across anything. She did pelt him with so many weapons it pushed him out of the sky. That’s more about physics than anything else though, just like the lauded Christina charge. Mass is still mass.

That’s undebatable. They set a new standard for the verse. An honestly gave us some of the best feats from Alvarez. That doesn’t change what’s happening though. Selene just broke the verse. It’s nice because of the retroactive boost the Acno comparisons net, but it’s true all the same.
 

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Sooo is it still a debate guys??
Never should have been a debate honestly. A very knowledgeable Wizard claims they are at least Acno level, then an actual dragon god makes a Similar claim.

Why even doubt the authors intend? This is a sequel, stakes are higher.

I’m surprised we needed Selene braking the cap of the verse to stop this nonsense
 

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Wtf is this cope lmao. Fucking insane

Suzaku is far superior to any FT villain of the past (except Acno and Zeref of course)

Unless Eileen is getting retconned (which is possible), Suzaku DESTROYS Eileen. Human Eileen was x792 Erza tier in physical stats, while x793 Erza is no diff material for Suzaku.
August (and hence Eileen too) is also one shot material for serious Acno. While Suzaku is doing a decent job holding his own against serious Eileen. Suzaku also managed to injure Selene

And no, Erza isn't faster than Suzaku. Not even close
 

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Unless Eileen is getting retconned
Wouldn’t be a retcon, more of a power up, especially when they are in a magic rich world.

I would say prominent characters will get power ups from now on. They definitely need them. Spriggans are starting to get left behind, all of them.

I expect Gildarts to shit on anything August was capable of doing once he gets his turn in this arc.

Gildarts vs George is my dream battle,
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And Suzaku has done enough to elevate him above all the spriggans.
 

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Wouldn’t be a retcon, more of a power up, especially when they are in a magic rich world.

I would say prominent characters will get power ups from now on. They definitely need them. Spriggans are starting to get left behind, all of them.

I expect Gildarts to shit on anything August was capable of doing once he gets his turn in this arc.

Gildarts vs George is my dream battle,
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And Suzaku has done enough to elevate him above all the spriggans.
But isn't every character in Elentir? Whatever powerup Eileen hypothetically gets, would be similar to the powerup everyone else got. So, relatively, that should make little difference.
This is why I said retconn. If she improves relative to others, that wouldn't be just an Elentir thing.

Yea, at this point it's undebatable that Suzaku far outclasses Spriggans. All of them, August and Eileen included. Difference between Suzaku and top Spriggans is being at least low diff material for Acno tiers, vs being one shot material for Acno tiers.
I see a lot of cope going on tho lmao.

Yeah, I can definitely see Gildarts making an appearance and facing George lol
We have Acno tier characters are main villains, so at least some other characters have to reach a level where they won't just be flicked with a finger. So, not sure why people are finding it hard to swallow that Suzaku is at that level. Because, if black dragon knights and George aren't at least strong enough to give DGs a fight, there is really no point in Diabolos' existence in the spinoff
 
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