Sky power meaning air which she eats, got it, Gale is referred to storm or cyclone or strong wind, so it is Wind Magic, coming form a guy who’s element revolved around knowledge called Law, yeah no, her power revolves around air. And yet people do not heal when they breath or use enchantments too or soul magic. that ice has it’s own hax, just like Sky Slayer air has slayer hax. correction, white magic which can paralyze, ash which can drift along to wind to another point, those are elements with magical attributes. I should be saying the same, not my fault, Ax said the naming comes from translators because it sounds cool, does not indicate any literal meaning, and in the manga it clearly shows a difference. Do you have evidence of Acno fighting Gray while MS? Please show me. You are the one that brought it up, there was no fear in the answer, because you are the one making assumptions like that question. I have no idea what you are talking about. LoL
It's Mashima's words, not mine, dont blame me. Her element is Sky. And yeah, all those magics do all those things, Mashima like to play loose with definitions.
Of course there was fear, that's why you kept avoiding answering and why you're still not answering. Instead claiming it's unclear because they haven't fought lmao. No shit they've never fought, half the characters you and everyone else debates about on this forum have never fought, you still have an opinion on who wins, usually a strong opinion.
So answer the question if you're not afraid, do YOU think that Gray is stronger than Motion SIck Acno, or not?
It's Mashima's words, not mine, dont blame me. Her element is Sky. And yeah, all those magics do all those things, Mashima like to play loose with definitions.
Of course there was fear, that's why you kept avoiding answering and why you're still not answering. Instead claiming it's unclear because they haven't fought lmao. No shit they've never fought, half the characters you and everyone else debates about on this forum have never fought, you still have an opinion on who wins, usually a strong opinion.
So answer the question if you're not afraid, do YOU think that Gray is stronger than Motion SIck Acno, or not?
and that is poetic wording, air is the element, simple as that. All those magics have their own hax, that proves my point, just like how sky magic is basically air magic with some other magics as well. Was not avoiding your answer, you were just not making sense with what you believe that Acno is weaker than Gray, if that were the case then Gray would have one shotted Acno on Tenrou Island. Unless you can prove that they have fought one on one, No Gray is not stronger than Acno while MS.
and that is poetic wording, air is the element, simple as that. All those magics have their own hax, that proves my point, just like how sky magic is basically air magic with some other magics as well. Was not avoiding your answer, you were just not making sense with what you believe that Acno is weaker than Gray, if that were the case then Gray would have one shotted Acno on Tenrou Island. Unless you can prove that they have fought one on one, No Gray is not stronger than Acno while MS.
Yeah, it has other magics than air, true, as I've always said, that's why its called sky, not air.
Then why couldn't he destroy Gray's boat? You said he was too weak to do it.
Yeah, it has other magics than air, true, as I've always said, that's why its called sky, not air.
Then why couldn't he destroy Gray's boat? You said he was too weak to do it.
And yet you said that Mashima likes to play on definitions, air sky is described to utilize air for combat in the series when described, again, he can’t muster his full strength, not the same as not utilizing durability which is given Already.
And yet you said that Mashima likes to play on definitions, so sky is described to utilize air for combat in the series when described, again, he can’t muster his full strength, not the same as not utilizing durability which is given Already.
So? Am I supposed to questions Wendy's literal title just because you have a problem with the way he labels his magic?
Here we go again. Is the strength he can muster while motion sick, greater than what Gray can, or not? Because the strength he was mustering had Fairy Tail, including Gray, shitting their pants. They literally needed a continents worth of energy to overcome the strength Acno could muster at that time. So yes or no, was the strength that he could muster greater than Gray's?
So? Am I supposed to questions Wendy's literal title just because you have a problem with the way he labels his magic?
Here we go again. Is the strength he can muster while motion sick, greater than what Gray can, or not? Because the strength he was mustering had Fairy Tail, including Gray, shitting their pants. They literally needed a continents worth of energy to overcome the strength Acno could muster at that time. So yes or no, was the strength that he could muster greater than Gray's?
No, just know that title =/= meaning of said magic according to Hiro, law = knowledge, sky = air, simple as that. Correction, they had to get enough magic power to finish the sphere so he would be trapped in time so no, Acno’s Strength was still greater, but not colossal like it was before.
I mentioned it being a hax, but not that it was just hax. She still has to provide the necessary magic power to manipulate the moon to that extent, and in this case to change the time of day itself. If it was a simple illusion that would be different, but with it physically happening then the energy demand must be met. An doing so while simply powering up implies a massive amount of magic still in reserve.
there is more to Lost Magic as they are magics that reap heavy consequences because of their immense power, Irene uses enchantments before getting DS magic (heck, U1 is new generation magic and is enchantments) and Acno who has healing before getting DS as well, and Etherious who use healing spells too. And yet Irene uses Sky Dragon Slayer Magic while in Wendy’s body which would be exclusive, that spell is something that belonged to her body anyway, and even Wendy did not know how to use separation enchantment until Irene taught it to her in 100YQ and yet she used it while in Irene’s body, so that proves the enchantments are Irene’s, it was not explanation as to what it is, it is more why Erza’s armor did not kill her. They did, it polluted the air, causing bad air quality for Wendy, which she did not use Air Magic right away, which by definition can’t use her air magic, her enchantments negated that. Resistance and Immunity are crossed over all the time, and if anything the recent chapter proved, words and meanings mean little, and yet it does not freeze him, he said that twice, and both of the times (both with and without DSM), nothing happened, it it was then he wouldn’t be talking but turned into an ice sculpture, he says “but” which means there was more which would disregard his previous statement, and this is someone who could freeze Natsu with his FDK flames.
No. Lost magics are just magic from 400 years ago that people consider extinct. There are no negative side effects to the majority of lost magic. Only some lost magic have side effects. Acno's healing is a lost magic too. Everyone who can heal is using lost magic. Not that this matters in the slightest. Even if everyone in the series learned how to heal, it doesn't change the fact that the guild card flat out says that Wendy's magic comes from the air. Any healing or enchantment that Wendy uses comes from the power she draws from the air.
Irene could only use sky magic when she was occupying Wendy's body, because Wendy's body still had Wendy's MP. Same with Wendy using seperation enchantment. She could only use it in Irene's body. When she got back to her own body, she couldn't use it again until she properly learned the spell. Irene never used deus corona. Wendy did.
Cosmo's pollen never did anything to Wendy's magic, and Wendy's enchantment never reduced the pollen in the air. All that happened was that the pollen made Wendy sleepy, and the enchantment undid that. At no point was the air polluted to the point that Wendy couldn't use her magic. By the way, the guildcard does not differentiate between air and enchantments/healing. ALL of Wendy's magic is sky magic, and Wendy can't use magic at all if the air is polluted.
No, lol. Resistance is resistance. Immunity is immunity. Don't just get to pretend they're the same thing. Invel's ice doesn't have a hax. It's just really cold. Cold enough that Gray says it can freeze him. BTW, if anything exists that is simply cold enough to freeze Gray, then slayers don't have immunity lol. Gray saying but doesnt mean Invel's ice can't freeze him. It just means Gray thinks he still had a chance to win. Anyways, Invel's ice doesn't have a hax. His snowstorm is just cold, and his armour is just made out of demonic ice, which Gray should be resistant to anyways.
No, just know that title =/= meaning of said magic according to Hiro, law = knowledge, sky = air, simple as that. Correction, they had to get enough magic power to finish the sphere so he would be trapped in time so no, Acno’s Strength was still greater, but not colossal like it was before.
Ax, Nope, they are stated that they are magic from long ago that are obliterated because of their side affects, just because other Lost magic haven’t shown their side affects doesn’t mean they don’t have it via Rustyrose, nothing stated that Anco’s healing is lost magic. Even Demons I guess have lost magic since they can heal by that logic. Her power that comes from the air just like any other Dragon Slayer via eating, you have just proven my point that even healing is lost magic so it is apart from air magic. That is contradicting your point, just like how others can use wendy’s magic without having occupied Wendy’s body, nothing stated that Irene doesn’t have Deus Corona or that they transfer over since the two have separate sets of magic skills since she said it belongs to her, she didn’t even know how to do personality transfer until she thought about because they were both enchanters. they did, they polluted the air quality so she can’t use her air magic prior to her enchantment use which prevented the affliction on her so she can use her air magic without air pollution afflicting her. It does as it refers to air powering her up like any other Dragon Slayer does. Yet she did with enchantments. Resistance and immunity are blurred together as silver stated. Invel’s ice armor does have hax as he stated, and yet it doesn’t so you are in denial then. There is a thing called “Show, don’t tell” Gray already contradicts that point anyway, yet it did not freeze him, show me were it visually freezes him like the others did, by chance of winning because it doesn’t freeze him, how can he win if he says that it freezes him when he hasn’t been frozen? And yet no one else even far away is frozen so you are wrong, demonic ice is a name, like you said to sound cool so
What does telling him he is wrong has to do with it? It simply is not as it’s definition is, law and knowledge are two different things, just as sky and air are two different things. And as Ax said, they chose the names because it sounds “cool” so that shows they are names and have no literal/real world meaning.
I mentioned it being a hax, but not that it was just hax. She still has to provide the necessary magic power to manipulate the moon to that extent, and in this case to change the time of day itself. If it was a simple illusion that would be different, but with it physically happening then the energy demand must be met. An doing so while simply powering up implies a massive amount of magic still in reserve.
That is the thing, we don’t know how to convert energy to said feat without going into mass=energy stuff if it influences the mass and density as well as size, it would be somewhere around Dwarf Star (1.57e+30 tons)
No, just know that title =/= meaning of said magic according to Hiro, law = knowledge, sky = air, simple as that. Correction, they had to get enough magic power to finish the sphere so he would be trapped in time so no, Acno’s Strength was still greater, but not colossal like it was before.
Ax, Nope, they are stated that they are magic from long ago that are obliterated because of their side affects, just because other Lost magic haven’t shown their side affects doesn’t mean they don’t have it via Rustyrose, nothing stated that Anco’s healing is lost magic. Even Demons I guess have lost magic since they can heal by that logic. Her power that comes from the air just like any other Dragon Slayer via eating, you have just proven my point that even healing is lost magic so it is apart from air magic. That is contradicting your point, just like how others can use wendy’s magic without having occupied Wendy’s body, nothing stated that Irene doesn’t have Deus Corona or that they transfer over since the two have separate sets of magic skills since she said it belongs to her, she didn’t even know how to do personality transfer until she thought about because they were both enchanters. they did, they polluted the air quality so she can’t use her air magic prior to her enchantment use which prevented the affliction on her so she can use her air magic without air pollution afflicting her. It does as it refers to air powering her up like any other Dragon Slayer does. Yet she did with enchantments. Resistance and immunity are blurred together as silver stated. Invel’s ice armor does have hax as he stated, and yet it doesn’t so you are in denial then. There is a thing called “Show, don’t tell” Gray already contradicts that point anyway, yet it did not freeze him, show me were it visually freezes him like the others did, by chance of winning because it doesn’t freeze him, how can he win if he says that it freezes him when he hasn’t been frozen? And yet no one else even far away is frozen so you are wrong, demonic ice is a name, like you said to sound cool so
What does telling him he is wrong has to do with it? It simply is not as it’s definition is, law and knowledge are two different things, just as sky and air are two different things. And as Ax said, they chose the names because it sounds “cool” so that shows they are names and have no literal/real world meaning.
That is the thing, we don’t know how to convert energy to said feat without going into mass=energy stuff if it influences the mass and density as well as size, it would be somewhere around Dwarf Star (1.57e+30 tons)
We do. There are tons of people making different calculations to figure that out, and the lowball on it puts her at at least small planet. It’s wild, and for some people it’s a ridiculous jump, but for those of us who had Acno lowballed at multi-continental it simply confirms that his statements and the others peppered throughout the series about how strong Zeref lvl threats and above are what they claimed to be.
I mean Thunder is just the sound lightning makes, nobody is upset about Laxus being referred to as the Thunder Dragon more often than not.
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We do. There are tons of people making different calculations to figure that out, and the lowball on it puts her at at least small planet. It’s wild, and for some people it’s a ridiculous jump, but for those of us who had Acno lowballed at multi-continental it simply confirms that his statements and the others peppered throughout the series about how strong Zeref lvl threats and above are what they claimed to be.
Pretty sure he is referred to as Lightning Dragon, then again, they refer to either every now and then. I mean, when it comes to calcs it is more of opinion, with FH Zeref, he could destroy and recreate reality, and he managed to hold off against Savage Flame Natsu for a while before being defeated, which with the Black Body Radiation calc surprisingly has him at Small Planet as well.
Pretty sure he is referred to as Lightning Dragon, then again, they refer to either every now and then. I mean, when it comes to calcs it is more of opinion, with FH Zeref, he could destroy and recreate reality, and he managed to hold off against Savage Flame Natsu for a while before being defeated, which with the Black Body Radiation calc surprisingly has him at Small Planet as well.
Nope. Lost magic don't all have side effects. The misinformation about lost magic having side effects comes from Ultear saying that arc of time had enormous power and terrible side effects, which resulted in it being lost to history. She was specifically talking about Arc of Time there. Ultear never said that all forms of lost magic have side effects. Kain Hikaru's doll is lost magic. There are no side effects to using it. Same with arc of embodiment, god slaying magic, malguilty sense, ect.
It was said that healing magic as a whole is lost magic. This includes Acnologia's healing, which honestly....Is even more rare than Wendy's or Chelia's. You have to be alive 400 years ago to learn it, and as far as we know....Acnologia is the only person still alive to know it. And Acno is actually dead now, so it's definitely lost now. I don't know where you get the idea that Wendy's healing magic being lost magic means that it's separate from her dragon slaying magic. All dragon slaying magic is lost magic. Sky dragon slayers can heal. Other types of healing magic also being lost is completely irrelevant.
Demons don't use magic. They can't heal, unless you're counting Hell's core, which is a machine they built to revive them. Come to think of it, Zeref is the guy who designed hell's core and he's literally the only human that knows how to make one anymore. So yeah, if Hell's Core can be considered a form of magic, then yeah....Absolutely, it would be considered lost magic. It's lost to history.
I'm not contradicting myself here. Irene has never used Deus Corona. The only time that Irene used sky magic was when she had access to the MP inside of Wendy's body, and she still never used Deus Corona. Once Irene left Wendy's body, she no longer had access to any sky magic. This is just like how Wendy is able to use separation enchantment while inside of Irene's body, but Wendy isn't able to use separation enchantment in her own body until she properly learned it. Irene would have to properly learn sky magic in order to use it in her own body, and this includes Deus Corona. Wendy-in-Irene's body using dues corona is the same as Irene-in-Wendy's body enchanting Erza's armor to explode. They were using their own magic in someone else's body. This is not the same as Wendy using separation enchantment or Irene using Wendy's sky magic. The bottom line is that at no point in time was Irene herself Deus Corona. You can prove me wrong by giving me just ONE example where it was actually Irene that used it, and not Wendy.
You calling Gray a liar? He flat out said that Invel's ice is cold enough to freeze him. People don't always freeze right away. Invel's ice is cold enough to freeze Gray if he stays in the snowstorm too long, so Gray's probably thinking he has to defeat Invel before that happens. Invel's ice armor doesn't have any hax. It's just made out of demonic ice. What hax do you think Invel's armor has? Honestly, even if Invel's ice has hax....That doesn't negate Gray's resistance to to ice. Gray should be resistant to any type of ice magic simply because it's ice magic. The key word being resistance. .
Invel saying demonic ice is an accurate translation. When I say "blaze" only exists because the translators thought it sounded cool, it's because both 炎 and 火 just mean fire.
This is actually a non-issue. The kanji for both lightning and thunder is 雷, which is what Laxus says. It's the same word every time. The translators just use them interchangeably.
Nope, Lost magic does have side. Affects as the series continuously states, it is not just ultear, even dragons with how DS magic works, not that we know of for Kain, Your assumption is not valid since Rustyrose stated there is, Like Dragon Slayer, God Slayer would be the same, not that we know of for Malguilty sense, which is wasn’t before, so then it could not be lost since it was not long ago, since it could be carried on to recent times. People have called it healing arts of Sky Magic or healing magic multiple times which only shows a distinction. Demons do heal including Tempester’s healing factor and Mard Geer, lost to history means it would be considered sometime has past. Irene can since it is her magic that Wendy is using, Wendy even states this that it belongs to her, there is no evidence that their own magic power switches, it is still her spell so Irene did use it through Wendy, I have proven it, you have to prove that their magics do switch to each other. Gray would say that under normal circumstances and yet it did not happen, you have not provided an image of him freezing, that is not what was said, it said that it is cold enough to freeze, not eventually freeze which the latter would mean that it was not cold enough, he said but which is a counter to that point, not a resolution to the statement on what to do, so Gray said that because he has ice immunity and yet Natsu was frozen before said snow storm happened, and better yet, Juvia’s water would be instantly frozen in such temperatures. Invel’s armor is hax since it bypasses his immunity, And it is called divine armor, which basically contradicts the type of ice it is. That is not how Slayer immunity works, the elements don’t harm them, but the hax still affects them, Blue Fire makes Natsu feel cold, Orange Fire is stinky to Natsu, God flames burn Natsu despite his immunity, enchantments harm Chelia, Ice Lock hacks Gray’s mind, Kamui freezes Gray regardless of his immunity. Again, called True-Ice and divine which contradicts what demonic is. That is my point, meaning and titles mean little here.
No, just know that title =/= meaning of said magic according to Hiro, law = knowledge, sky = air, simple as that. Correction, they had to get enough magic power to finish the sphere so he would be trapped in time so no, Acno’s Strength was still greater, but not colossal like it was before.
If Sky = Air then that means her healing, enchantments and Milky Way are air too, because they're all sky magic.
That's not a correction, Acno was going to break the sphere, that's what they were afraid of. What you're basically saying is that Gray is too strong for Fairy Sphere and that you need a continents strength to freeze him lmao.
If Sky = Air then that means her healing, enchantments and Milky Way are air too, because they're all sky magic.
That's not a correction, Acno was going to break the sphere, that's what they were afraid of. What you're basically saying is that Gray is too strong for Fairy Sphere and that you need a continents strength to freeze him lmao.
And here is a question for you, if healing, enchantments and milky way (souls) are the same as air, then why hasn't Wendy eaten any of the following if they are air magic? Was is not the same as did as the sphere was incomplete and he was not at full strength, nothing of the sort, if Gray was too strong then he should have been able to kill Acno, the fact that he didn't means that he was still too weak.
And here is a question for you, if healing, enchantments and milky way (souls) are the same as air, then why hasn't Wendy eaten any of the following if they are air magic? Was is not the same as did as the sphere was incomplete and he was not at full strength, nothing of the sort, if Gray was too strong then he should have been able to kill Acno, the fact that he didn't means that he was still too weak.
Because as far as we know, Sky magic is the only magic that uses air-based support spells like Milky Way or whatever, so unless she's fighting Grandeenee, she'll never get the chance.
You get that you saying that is the same as saying Gray is too powerful for Fairy Sphere, you do get that right? If Acno can't break the boat, but can break Fairy Sphere, that means Gray could just break Fairy Sphere in it's "incomplete stage" too. No, incomplete or not, Acno was breaking Fairy Sphere because he was overwhelmingly more powerful, this is obvious. Claiming he can't muster the strength to break the boat is retarded, cracking Fairy Sphere is a feat so far above breaking a boat that it's like comparing oneshotting Eileen to oneshotting Romeo, Fairy Sphere is literally the power of Fairy Tail combined, plus all their emotions, including Gray.
Because as far as we know, Sky magic is the only magic that uses air-based support spells like Milky Way or whatever, so unless she's fighting Grandeenee, she'll never get the chance.
You get that you saying that is the same as saying Gray is too powerful for Fairy Sphere, you do get that right? If Acno can't break the boat, but can break Fairy Sphere, that means Gray could just break Fairy Sphere in it's "incomplete stage" too. No, incomplete or not, Acno was breaking Fairy Sphere because he was overwhelmingly more powerful, this is obvious. Claiming he can't muster the strength to break the boat is retarded, cracking Fairy Sphere is a feat so far above breaking a boat that it's like comparing oneshotting Eileen to oneshotting Romeo, Fairy Sphere is literally the power of Fairy Tail combined, plus all their emotions, including Gray.
Milky Way influences souls for the spell and even carves the spell into the ground, the opposite of what the ”sky” is. There is nothing the Same about it, Gray is weaker than Acno, simple as that, Acno who can’t use his full power is it’s own thing, that is why he can’t destroy it before the sphere is complete, he is powerful, just not unstoppable in that state, that is the obviousness, how so? When you are sick you can’t really use all your Strength either, again, incomplete, not impressive than a complete sphere which would stop time around him. Again, incomplete so not affective enough.
Milky Way influences souls for the spell and even carves the spell into the ground, the opposite of what the ”sky” is. There is nothing the Same about it, Gray is weaker than Acno, simple as that, Acno who can’t use his full power is it’s own thing, that is why he can’t destroy it before the sphere is complete, he is powerful, just not unstoppable in that state, that is the obviousness, how so? When you are sick you can’t really use all your Strength either, again, incomplete, not impressive than a complete sphere which would stop time around him. Again, incomplete so not affective enough.
And? Who says a magic needs to be "the same"? Azuma's magic is literally trees, but he uses it to nuke people with explosions. "Same" Don't matter to Mashima. Wendy's magic is sky, Milky Way is sky. If you wanna claim sky is air, go right ahead, but that means Milky Way is air too.
"he is powerful, just not unstoppable in that state" Yet can't break Gray's boat according to you. Uhuh, uhuh, dumb.
Being too powerful for Fairy Sphere is literally the most impressive feat in the original manga. Fairy Tail were literally shitting their pants because of it. Fairy Tail, after witnessing first hand Acno's power, thought Fairy Sphere would stop him.... and they were wrong. Why? Because Acno was too powerful in that state and yet also according to you, so weak he can't break a boat from Gray. Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
