Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[LaGOAT]

dude we just saw their fight. we know how flat stronger laxus is compared to erza. i have always held this claim.

its you people who wanked the bejesus out him

erza isnt a person. yes, mishma statements have been known to contradict/cap before

Ok then laxus>erza we cool?

We “wank” him because his performance are usually better than erza hence the laxus>erza part

what r u talking about? I’m talking about in the manga erza contradict herself especially when it comes to power levels.

 

[sharkai]

Ok then laxus>erza we cool?

We “wank” him because his performance are usually better than erza hence the laxus>erza part

what r u talking about? I’m talking about in the manga erza contradict herself especially when it comes to power levels.

sure
not really. laxus is just flashy. erza performance is generally above him at the end. but yeah, she jobs alot in the start.

what r u talking about? I’m talking about in the manga erza contradict herself especially when it comes to power levels.

i am saying erza is not a person. alot of statements of manga are plain wrong. mishma does it alot for different reasons

 

[Seven777]

dont know what you mean. we know for a fact that they were balanced. laxus mystogan included. the statement is clear.

if you want to give explanation of things, you can start with mira claim about jura in gmg. because that one obviously does not means what it seems to imply. do you think mira meant she alone cant beat jura or whether she and jura together cant beat erza? here i could use your mental gymnastic .

Laxus and Mystogan included? Where's that pointed out? Show me the panel. Because I have a panel saying they're specifically not included.

Spoiler

https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628435/14

With Erza and Mystogan as the only S class wizards fighting Phantom, they nearly lost. Erza knew the current PL of Fairy Tail when she made her assessment. She knew Mystogan was gone. She knew Laxus was an asshole. She knew Gildarts was on the 100YQ. She knew Mirajane was weakened. Thus her statement is entirely accurate, as is Gajeel's later on.

What? Mira said if Erza and Mira teamed up, not Erza and Jura teamed up.

 

[sharkai]

Laxus and Mystogan included? Where's that pointed out? Show me the panel. Because I have a panel saying they're specifically not included.

Spoiler

https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628435/14

With Erza and Mystogan as the only S class wizards fighting Phantom, they nearly lost. Erza knew the current PL of Fairy Tail when she made her assessment. She knew Mystogan was gone. She knew Laxus was an asshole. She knew Gildarts was on the 100YQ. She knew Mirajane was weakened. Thus her statement is entirely accurate, as is Gajeel's later on.

What? Mira said if Erza and Mira teamed up, not Erza and Jura teamed up.

this is not the same event. she literally said they are balanced and went on to say 1 WS on both sides and they have four S class mages. so no need for your explanation.

i know what mira said. that is why i need your help to turn that into erza>mira+jura. i know you can do it

 

[Seven777]

this is not the same event. she literally said they are balanced and went on to say 1 WS on both sides and they have four S class mages. so no need for your explanation.

i know what mira said. that is why i need your help to turn that into erza>mira+jura. i know you can do it

I'm aware, it's entirely relevant though.
Fairy Tail has 5 S class mages of varying levels of power, not four. No comparison between the S class mages was made, this is something you invented.
It's simply a fact that the state of FT's power level at the time were close to Phantoms, as was clearly both Mashima's and Erza's intention when they relayed that fact.

Not sure you do. Jura is a match for Erza+Mira, also clearly Mashima's intention.

 

[sharkai]

I'm aware, it's entirely relevant though.
Fairy Tail has 5 S class mages of varying levels of power, not four. No comparison between the S class mages was made, this is something you invented.
It's simply a fact that the state of FT's power level at the time were close to Phantoms, as was clearly both Mashima's and Erza's intention when they relayed that fact.

Not sure you do. Jura is a match for Erza+Mira, also clearly Mashima's intention.

nope. at the time i think gildarts wasnt even made. four s class mages were meant as comparison for s class of fairy tail.
as i said, we know what it means. no need to worry here.

now, please fix mira intentions so they match mishma intentions.

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Fairy Tail has 5 S class mages of varying levels of power, not four.

i think gildarts is ss class. (if that class exists)
and mira is inactive

and rest three are pretty much equal, i dont think there was any varying there. one s class is normally considered stronger than two non s class mages, as s class trails showed in tenrou arc.
no varying was mentioned in the manga other than for gildarts.

 

[Seven777]

nope. at the time i think gildarts wasnt even made. four s class mages were meant as comparison for s class of fairy tail.
as i said, we know what it means. no need to worry here.

now, please fix mira intentions so they match mishma intentions.

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i think gildarts is ss class. (if that class exists)
and mira is inactive

and rest three are pretty much equal, i dont think there was any varying there. one s class is normally considered stronger than two non s class mages, as s class trails showed in tenrou arc.
no varying was mentioned in the manga other than for gildarts.

Gildarts was made at that time, he's mentioned as early as Laxus's first appearance, maybe earlier, before Phantom Lord. Five S classes, this is outright stated before or in Phantom.

Why? It's already primed and clear

There's no such thing as SS class. Mira and Erza were S class when there were kids, there's a lot of variation in strength. For example, Erza is stronger than Mirajane. Laxus is stronger than Erza, Gildarts is stronger than Laxus.

 

[sharkai]

Gildarts was made at that time, he's mentioned as early as Laxus's first appearance, maybe earlier, before Phantom Lord. Five S classes, this is outright stated before or in Phantom.

when

Why? It's already primed and clear

i know erza statement about laxus=juvia is clear i am talking about unclear mira one, about how strong jura. could you please tell us what it actually implies

there's a lot of variation in strength. For example, Erza is stronger than Mirajane. Laxus is stronger than Erza, Gildarts is stronger than Laxus.

where did it say erza is stronger than mira or laxus is stronger than erza?
please stop making thing up.

i know gildarts is stronger than erza so has to be alot stronger than laxus. that why i said only variation exist there with gildarts.

 

[Seven777]

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i know erza statement about laxus=juvia is clear i am talking about unclear mira one, about how strong jura. could you please tell us what it actually implies



where did it say erza is stronger than mira or laxus is stronger than erza?
please stop making thing up.

i know gildarts is stronger than erza so has to be alot stronger than laxus. that why i said only variation exist there with gildarts.

Spoiler: Here

https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628449/10

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Show a panel for that statement.
It implies Jura is a match for Erza+Mira.

There's variation all around. Mira for example is weaker than the rest. Gildarts is stronger than the rest. Laxus is closer to him than the rest.

 

[sharkai]

Spoiler: Here

https://v2.mangapark.net/manga/fairy-tail/i1628449/10

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Show a panel for that statement.
It implies Jura is a match for Erza+Mira.

There's variation all around. Mira for example is weaker than the rest. Gildarts is stronger than the rest. Laxus is closer to him than the rest.

i already showed you, erza said they balanced out 1 ws and 4 s class.

o so gildarts was made at the end of the phantom arc?

no, no, that what it looks like. but what does it really really means?

There's variation all around. Mira for example is weaker than the rest. Gildarts is stronger than the rest. Laxus is closer to him than the rest.

seem more of a wank than anything else.
mira is weaker because she was in-active. that is all. though if there is any variation laxus might be more near active mira and erza might be more near to gildarts than the rest.

 

[Seven777]

i already showed you, erza said they balanced out 1 ws and 4 s class.

o so gildarts was made at the end of the phantom arc?

no, no, that what it looks like. but what does it really really means?



seem more of a wank than anything else.
mira is weaker because she was in-active. that is all. though if there is any variation laxus might be more near active mira and erza might be more near to gildarts than the rest.

She does not. She makes no mention of Laxus or the Fairy Tail S class. Post a panel of her saying so.

No, he was made at the beginning of the Galuna arc. Likely before the manga began really, but thats when he was introduced

Yeah... it means what it looks like. Are you ok? Your questions are increasing in retardation by the minute.

Wank by characters in the manga is hype. Mira is weaker because she is weaker. You realize Makarov was willing to make Levy and Cana S-class, right? There is no equal level of strength for the S class, there is a bar they need to fulfil, and once they pass that, they're in.
Nah, Laxus was quite clearly the strongest after Gildarts.

 

[sharkai]

She does not. She makes no mention of Laxus or the Fairy Tail S class. Post a panel of her saying so.

then why would she mention s class for phantom. she could have said they are strong like gray or elfman. what is point of mentioning s class

Yeah... it means what it looks like. Are you ok? Your questions are increasing in retardation by the minute.

i am trying to emulate you. i mean i could simply say you jump into details for statement that implies something you dont agree with and try to refute them and those you agree with, you just go ok.

Wank by characters in the manga is hype

i dont think anyone in the manga has said mira is the weakest or laxus is closest to gildarts than the rest. it just seems your wank, nothing more.

You realize Makarov was willing to make Levy and Cana S-class, right? There is no equal level of strength for the S class, there is a bar they need to fulfil, and once they pass that, they're in.

that is besides the point. established s class werent shown like that. but the trail was made in such a way, mira might have came across natsu and gajeel and she would have to hold back against them


each s class were stronger than two non s class mages at the time. only variation we know of was gildarts

 

[Seven777]

then why would she mention s class for phantom. she could have said they are strong like gray or elfman. what is point of mentioning s class



i am trying to emulate you. i mean i could simply say you jump into details for statement that implies something you dont agree with and try to refute them and those you agree with, you just go ok.



i dont think anyone in the manga has said mira is the weakest or laxus is closest to gildarts than the rest. it just seems your wank, nothing more.



that is besides the point. established s class werent shown like that. but the trail was made in such a way, mira might have came across natsu and gajeel and she would have to hold back against them


each s class were stronger than two non s class mages at the time. only variation we know of was gildarts

Because they're the core part of their fighting force? She's outlining the threat, like literally every other arc has done for it's minibosses. Oh and the fact that Mashima had Gajeel comment on if Laxus fought in Phantom, confirms this as well.

You're the one jumping into the details of a statement. You do it literally all the time, you're doing it right now with the Erza "S class" thing. You're inserting Laxus when he wasn't at all mentioned, even when we have an explicit statement later on about him changing the balance between FT and Phantom. You'll ignore that Mashima repeatedly stating Gajeel is Phantom's strongest. You'll ignore Mira's statement about Jura. You'll ignore Erza being impressed by Laxus vs Hades.

Nah, he's just likened to Gildarts more than anyone else.

It's entirely the point. S class is a title, nothing more. Reach a certain level of strength, and you're in. If Cana ended up winning last trial, she'd have to fight two candidates as well. It doesn't mean anything.

 

[LaGOAT]

He contradict himself every time he just said “ya he agrees”and then filp into no erza>laxus sometimes i just think he trolling or can’t except facts that laxus>erza.

S class from phantom lord ain’t in the same tier as fairy tail s class I don’t know why this is a debate. It’s the same thing as with the wizard saint jura back in OS arc said he isn’t on the same lvl as makarov. Same with the spriggan 12 we all know that some are stronger than others like I don’t get why people acting brand new to this as if doesn’t happen in anime a lot

 

[GL_Nova]

Bro Back in the day we all did but after their fight we didn’t. but we been saying laxus is stronger than erza. We been debating this for years I feel like u still ain’t accept it I pretty sure that @GL_Nova has trying to prove that laxus is flat out stronger than erza.

And idk why people are using erza statements seriously she is known to contradict/cap before

Bro, don’t waste the time. I only engage because debating genuinely amuses me. He knows exactly how the fandom feels, even if he keeps trying to frame it like it’s just him vs the Lightning Brigade, as opposed to the Shikai vs the entire FT Fandom, with guest appearances from Erza stans lol. Erza has always been weaker than Laxus. The best she can do, even with an entire series worth of growth (2 years of training, second origin, learning enchantment) is try for a Tie. An that hinges on Laxus having already wasted a fight and a secret art’s worth of magic before the fight began. He’s had over a year to spin this, and convinced nobody of anything other than his hardcore Erza love and inability to be partial. It’s fun, for me, but it’s not a big deal. Now we have the more important argument about Laxus about to eclipse the DG’s human forms, because beating Kirin will let him do just that. Suzaku beat human Selene, and she proclaimed him superior to her, and Kirin superior to him. I can’t wait.

 

[AmitDS]

So I was re-reading for another discussion and I was wondering...

If Skullion > Kyria, in 100 quest, did Mashima make BSS Mira >/= Erza with the original Benizakura?

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Also given that flame empress with belserion and the soaring fire blade spell overpowered but didn't beat Kyria, does this imply that probably,
BSS = Flame Empress + Belserion (was she also channeling Natsu's fire/heat here for this spell?)

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[Seahorse]

It's interesting seeing how weak a character's human form could be compared to its dragon form.

Suzaku beats human form Selene high-diff - prob same tier but Suzaku is apparently stronger
George is much stronger than Suzaku - say George is at least a tier above Suzaku
Dragon form Selene stomps George no-diff - I'd put her at least 2 tiers above George

So in a word dragon Selene is 3-5 tiers above human Selene.
That's a HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE gap between the two forms.

Which actually makes 7FDM Natsu's feat even less impressive, who only defeated a human form Acno because the dragon form Acno was sealed and stopped by the Fairy Sphere. Plus the human form Acno probably has only less than half of its full magic power, as his human form was existing alongside his dragon form.

I hope that when the BDSK got defeated, Selene could use some hax to oblige them activate their dragon force. If a BDSK's human form is comparable to that of a DG, their dragonized DF might really be at DGs level, if not stronger - and that would be a sight to see. I wonder how Team FT could deal with that. Anyway it would also be beyond Selene's control if she really did that.



Anyway, I'm quite surprised to see here at MH that most people really think that the DGs live to their hype as Acno level monsters, whilst few people here in our local forums ever believe that. Their feats are just not that impressive. Got some dudes here who understand Japanese, and they all agreed that there are no firm evidence in Japanese raw that the DGs are really Acno level, only reckoning and self-boasting.

What's interesting is that it took only 1% power of Irene to stomp a DF Nebaru low-diff. And a dragon form Nebaru still got one-shotted by Irene's attack. That's pretty impressive feats if you ask me. Still hoping for an all-out Irene to come out to fight a DG. We'll see.

 

[grey matter]

I hope that when the BDSK got defeated, Selene could use some hax to oblige them activate their dragon force. If a BDSK's human form is comparable to that of a DG, their dragonized DF might really be at DGs level, if not stronger - and that would be a sight to see. I wonder how Team FT could deal with that. Anyway it would also be beyond Selene's control if she really did that.

Seems logical, but they probably won't be that strong in DF. Cause Mashima doesn't operate on logic lol

Anyway, I'm quite surprised to see here at MH that most people really think that the DGs live to their hype as Acno level monsters, whilst few people here in our local forums ever believe that. Their feats are just not that impressive. Got some dudes here who understand Japanese, and they all agreed that there are no firm evidence in Japanese raw that the DGs are really Acno level, only reckoning and self-boasting.

It would've just been some self hype, but Elefseria doesn't have any reason to do so I guess

What's interesting is that it took only 1% power of Irene to stomp a DF Nebaru low-diff. And a dragon form Nebaru still got one-shotted by Irene's attack. That's pretty impressive feats if you ask me. Still hoping for an all-out Irene to come out to fight a DG. We'll see.

1% was what Wendy could muster. Eileen took over and used up all the residual magic.

 

[Vex_Haid]

cope with it

 

[Demon Hunter]

@Vex_Haid you should do the coping

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1% was what Wendy could muster. Eileen took over and used up all the residual magic.

yeah, people still think Irene used 1% of her power lol.

she used her power according to herself which could be anywhere from 40% to 100%, probably 100%