It's interesting seeing how weak a character's human form could be compared to its dragon form.
Suzaku beats human form Selene high-diff - prob same tier but Suzaku is apparently stronger
George is much stronger than Suzaku - say George is at least a tier above Suzaku
Dragon form Selene stomps George no-diff - I'd put her at least 2 tiers above George
So in a word dragon Selene is 3-5 tiers above human Selene.
That's a HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE gap between the two forms.
Which actually makes 7FDM Natsu's feat even less impressive, who only defeated a human form Acno because the dragon form Acno was sealed and stopped by the Fairy Sphere. Plus the human form Acno probably has only less than half of its full magic power, as his human form was existing alongside his dragon form.
I hope that when the BDSK got defeated, Selene could use some hax to oblige them activate their dragon force. If a BDSK's human form is comparable to that of a DG, their dragonized DF might really be at DGs level, if not stronger - and that would be a sight to see. I wonder how Team FT could deal with that. Anyway it would also be beyond Selene's control if she really did that.
Anyway, I'm quite surprised to see here at MH that most people really think that the DGs live to their hype as Acno level monsters, whilst few people here in our local forums ever believe that. Their feats are just not that impressive. Got some dudes here who understand Japanese, and they all agreed that there are no firm evidence in Japanese raw that the DGs are really Acno level, only reckoning and self-boasting.
What's interesting is that it took only 1% power of Irene to stomp a DF Nebaru low-diff. And a dragon form Nebaru still got one-shotted by Irene's attack. That's pretty impressive feats if you ask me. Still hoping for an all-out Irene to come out to fight a DG. We'll see.
That’s not what happened though. She said Wendy wasn’t using 1 percent. It literally took all the rest of Irene’s magic to do something. She’s been out of magic since casting that spell.
Also, did Acno lift an ocean?? Cause that boosted the verse. Did he manipulate the moon? Shake the planet? Cause that boosted the verse again. I get arguing he’s superior based on his broken dragon hax, but based on feats they got it.
That’s not what happened though. She said Wendy wasn’t using 1 percent. It literally took all the rest of Irene’s magic to do something. She’s been out of magic since casting that spell.
Also, did Acno lift an ocean?? Cause that boosted the verse. Did he manipulate the moon? Shake the planet? Cause that boosted the verse again. I get arguing he’s superior based on his broken dragon hax, but based on feats they got it.
When did shaking the planet happen? I don't remember that at all. If you mean the storm in Giltena that was caused by Selene in her fight against Suzaku, we don't know if the whole planet was feeling it, only Giltena.
That’s not what happened though. She said Wendy wasn’t using 1 percent. It literally took all the rest of Irene’s magic to do something. She’s been out of magic since casting that spell.
Also, did Acno lift an ocean?? Cause that boosted the verse. Did he manipulate the moon? Shake the planet? Cause that boosted the verse again. I get arguing he’s superior based on his broken dragon hax, but based on feats they got it.
When did shaking the planet happen? I don't remember that at all. If you mean the storm in Giltena that was caused by Selene in her fight against Suzaku, we don't know if the whole planet was feeling it, only Giltena.
How would only one port city be feeling it? It’s her manipulation of power affecting oceans planets away, seems odd to assume only 1 ocean was affected.
However much magic power was used, she oneshotted the dragon form of a DE, which is still impressive to say at least
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To start a new topic, I have a theory that Avatar arc Natsu >>> Alvarez arc Natsu, because he still had Igneel's magic power within him back then.
We see Natsu oneshotting Ikusatsunagi, and then we see him casually oneshotting Bluenote, who was on par with Tenrou Gildarts.
In no way could I imagine Tenrou Gildarts being oneshotted by Alvarez base Natsu, who was toyed with by Marine Hello (or whatever his name was, I don't care.)
If it was because of Igneel's magic power, it would make much more sense to me. Ignia boosted Natsu mid-diffed a nerfed Mercphobia. Igneel boosted Natsu >= Ignia boosted Natsu, so it's plausible for him to oneshot a Gildarts level. In Alvarez arc he lost Igneel's magic power so he wasn't at all as powerful as when he stomped Bluenote.
However much magic power was used, she oneshotted the dragon form of a DE, which is still impressive to say at least
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To start a new topic, I have a theory that Avatar arc Natsu >>> Alvarez arc Natsu, because he still had Igneel's magic power within him back then.
We see Natsu oneshotting Ikusatsunagi, and then we see him casually oneshotting Bluenote, who was on par with Tenrou Gildarts.
In no way could I imagine Tenrou Gildarts being oneshotted by Alvarez base Natsu, who was toyed with by Marine Hello (or whatever his name was, I don't care.)
If it was because of Igneel's magic power, it would make much more sense to me. Ignia boosted Natsu mid-diffed a nerfed Mercphobia. Igneel boosted Natsu >= Ignia boosted Natsu, so it's plausible for him to oneshot a Gildarts level. In Alvarez arc he lost Igneel's magic power so he wasn't at all as powerful as when he stomped Bluenote.
But he never used Igneel's power lol. Igneel's magic power was an one-time thing, explicitly said so by Natsu. He only and only used it against Zeref, that's it.
But he never used Igneel's power lol. Igneel's magic power was an one-time thing, explicitly said so by Natsu. He only and only used it against Zeref, that's it.
Then I don't see how a base Natsu - who could oneshot Bluenote - could be toyed with by some random Alvarez dude. Just doesn't make sense.
Anyway it's okay with me, as large portions of FT manga don't make sense.
Because they're the core part of their fighting force? She's outlining the threat, like literally every other arc has done for it's minibosses. Oh and the fact that Mashima had Gajeel comment on if Laxus fought in Phantom, confirms this as well.
You're the one jumping into the details of a statement. You do it literally all the time, you're doing it right now with the Erza "S class" thing. You're inserting Laxus when he wasn't at all mentioned, even when we have an explicit statement later on about him changing the balance between FT and Phantom. You'll ignore that Mashima repeatedly stating Gajeel is Phantom's strongest. You'll ignore Mira's statement about Jura. You'll ignore Erza being impressed by Laxus vs Hades.
Nah, he's just likened to Gildarts more than anyone else.
It's entirely the point. S class is a title, nothing more. Reach a certain level of strength, and you're in. If Cana ended up winning last trial, she'd have to fight two candidates as well. It doesn't mean anything.
let me put this silliness to rest.
first Mira statement about jura.
Mira knew sh!t. she was either basing her statement on Jura WS status or maybe his mp. Mira knew nothing of jura or erza in action or being pushed
second Erza statement. erza also knew sh!t. she didnt know mystogan is going to waste time putting people to sleep and stealing their flags. she didnt know laxus wont show up. she didnt know Phantom guild actually walks and has a jupiter cannon.
when she made s class comment she knew not much about their strengths either. she was talking about what was common information for people. nothing accurate
her statement is clear, just like mira is, just like markarov was in alverzec. to hype an oppoenent.
s class was a thing in phantom arc, when erza mentioned them, she meant to say they were balanced. that means laxus=juvia, whether @Seven777 like it or not. we dont need to go into details like these s class are nowhere near fairy tail s class, we didnt know that at the time. nor did we know that WS arent the strongest at the time.
Because they're the core part of their fighting force? She's outlining the threat, like literally every other arc has done for it's minibosses. Oh and the fact that Mashima had Gajeel comment on if Laxus fought in Phantom, confirms this as well.
what do you mean core. i am asking you she said they are balanced and then said WS on both sides and 4 s class. what is the point of mentioning s class. if you are correct, shouldnt erza has said all we need is laxus and we can forget about phantom
You're the one jumping into the details of a statement. You do it literally all the time, you're doing it right now with the Erza "S class" thing. You're inserting Laxus when he wasn't at all mentioned, even when we have an explicit statement later on about him changing the balance between FT and Phantom. You'll ignore that Mashima repeatedly stating Gajeel is Phantom's strongest. You'll ignore Mira's statement about Jura. You'll ignore Erza being impressed by Laxus vs Hades.
no i am not. she said they balanced out which means fairy tail=phantom. nothing more
i never said i ignore it, i nrmally says there shouldnt be 20 tiers between them like in your wet dreams. gajeel can beat aria in high diff fight, that would still mean he is stronger.
and you will ignore markarov statement about ajeel. or minerva statement about not approaching kagura and jura. or jura statement about minerva nuke
and again i dont ignore erza being impressed by laxus tanking 25 formula, it was indeed something laxus shouldnt be able to do
He contradict himself every time he just said “ya he agrees”and then filp into no erza>laxus sometimes i just think he trolling or can’t except facts that laxus>erza.
S class from phantom lord ain’t in the same tier as fairy tail s class I don’t know why this is a debate. It’s the same thing as with the wizard saint jura back in OS arc said he isn’t on the same lvl as makarov. Same with the spriggan 12 we all know that some are stronger than others like I don’t get why people acting brand new to this as if doesn’t happen in anime a lot
let me put this silliness to rest.
first Mira statement about jura.
Mira knew sh!t. she was either basing her statement on Jura WS status or maybe his mp. Mira knew nothing of jura or erza in action or being pushed
second Erza statement. erza also knew sh!t. she didnt know mystogan is going to waste time putting people to sleep and stealing their flags. she didnt know laxus wont show up. she didnt know Phantom guild actually walks and has a jupiter cannon.
when she made s class comment she knew not much about their strengths either. she was talking about what was common information for people. nothing accurate
her statement is clear, just like mira is, just like markarov was in alverzec. to hype an oppoenent.
s class was a thing in phantom arc, when erza mentioned them, she meant to say they were balanced. that means laxus=juvia, whether @Seven777 like it or not. we dont need to go into details like these s class are nowhere near fairy tail s class, we didnt know that at the time. nor did we know that WS arent the strongest at the time.
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what do you mean core. i am asking you she said they are balanced and then said WS on both sides and 4 s class. what is the point of mentioning s class. if you are correct, shouldnt erza has said all we need is laxus and we can forget about phantom
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no i am not. she said they balanced out which means fairy tail=phantom. nothing more
i never said i ignore it, i nrmally says there shouldnt be 20 tiers between them like in your wet dreams. gajeel can beat aria in high diff fight, that would still mean he is stronger.
and you will ignore markarov statement about ajeel. or minerva statement about not approaching kagura and jura. or jura statement about minerva nuke
and again i dont ignore erza being impressed by laxus tanking 25 formula, it was indeed something laxus shouldnt be able to do
and jura perfermoncae against serena proved that mira actually meant 4 juras cant beat one erza.
while i am trolling.
i am basically talking about bad guys hype generally are false.
nothing was known about s class or ws at the time
So I should just disregard Mira's statement because you think she don't know shit? There's nothing that contradicts her statement, Mashima consistently wanked Jura all arc. He clearly wanted you to think he was the best, from Mira wanking him, to his MPF score being a match for Gildarts, to him oneshotting Orga. And I should just disregard that for no other reason than because you think Erza could do better? This is you putting silliness to rest? Please.
Why is that a waste of time? Mystogan is literally the reason Makarov woke up in time to save Erza. Mystogan is literally the reason an army of Phantoms didn't swarm the already trashed Fairy Tail. As for the rest, what Erza actually knows is what Mashima wanted her to tell us. He wanted us to think Phantom would be a high diff fight, and it was. It's that simple.
No, that's not at all what she meant. There was not an ounce of implication that Phantom S class were a match for FT S class. This is something you've made up. To begin with there numbers aren't even a match. FT had 5 S class, Phantom had 4. Nothing about them is a match.
And yes, we did know. Erza trashed the fuck out of Aria. Gray and Elfman trashed their S class. Mashima knew full well that Phantom's S class weren't a match.
What do you mean? I told you? She outlined the minibosses. Mashima does it literally every arc.
And at the time, they were.
I do. Because Makarov's statement was both contradicted and given a reasonable explanation for why it was contradicted. Mashima was clearly portraying Makarov's surprise at FT's new power levels. As for Jura's comment on Minerva's nuke and Minerva's comment on Jura and Kagura, nothing wrong with either of those statements.
Mmm, yeah, bad guy hype is generally overblown. Eileen is a prime example of that.
So I should just disregard Mira's statement because you think she don't know shit? There's nothing that contradicts her statement, Mashima consistently wanked Jura all arc. He clearly wanted you to think he was the best, from Mira wanking him, to his MPF score being a match for Gildarts, to him oneshotting Orga. And I should just disregard that for no other reason than because you think Erza could do better? This is you putting silliness to rest? Please.
Why is that a waste of time? Mystogan is literally the reason Makarov woke up in time to save Erza. Mystogan is literally the reason an army of Phantoms didn't swarm the already trashed Fairy Tail. As for the rest, what Erza actually knows is what Mashima wanted her to tell us. He wanted us to think Phantom would be a high diff fight, and it was. It's that simple.
No, that's not at all what she meant. There was not an ounce of implication that Phantom S class were a match for FT S class. This is something you've made up. To begin with there numbers aren't even a match. FT had 5 S class, Phantom had 4. Nothing about them is a match.
And yes, we did know. Erza trashed the fuck out of Aria. Gray and Elfman trashed their S class. Mashima knew full well that Phantom's S class weren't a match.
What do you mean? I told you? She outlined the minibosses. Mashima does it literally every arc.
And at the time, they were.
I do. Because Makarov's statement was both contradicted and given a reasonable explanation for why it was contradicted. Mashima was clearly portraying Makarov's surprise at FT's new power levels. As for Jura's comment on Minerva's nuke and Minerva's comment on Jura and Kagura, nothing wrong with either of those statements.
And at the time, they were.
I do. Because Makarov's statement was both contradicted and given a reasonable explanation for why it was contradicted. Mashima was clearly portraying Makarov's surprise at FT's new power levels. As for Jura's comment on Minerva's nuke and Minerva's comment on Jura and Kagura, nothing wrong with either of those statements.
and markarov was not at all shocked by anyone else in gmg arc. lol
gmg statement was also contradicted. gildarts could low diff jura, and jura lost to a mira equivalent
dont know.
we know gmg jura might lose to mira, because pf his lack of any good feat. we know acnologia hasnt seen something like eileen for ages, and eileen beat him but yeah. most bad guys hype are overblown
yeah that means he s little bit stronger than minerva. thats it
she said they are equal fairy = phantom. she never said, if laxus doesnt join they are equal
yeah. just like jura. mira was only outlining a mini boss
and markarov was not at all shocked by anyone else in gmg arc. lol
gmg statement was also contradicted. gildarts could low diff jura, and jura lost to a mira equivalent
dont know.
we know gmg jura might lose to mira, because pf his lack of any good feat. we know acnologia hasnt seen something like eileen for ages, and eileen beat him but yeah. most bad guys hype are overblown
-No?
-Why would she need to say that? It would literally dehype the characters she was currently hyping, dumb. We know it's true though because of Gajeel.
-Yep.
-Are you retarded? Makarov was shitting his pants seeing frigging Sting lmao. Not to mention Jura.
-GMG Jura might lose to Mira lmao? Dumb.
because you are making sh!t excuses. she said fairy and phantom are balance. that normally means they are equal. nothing about your laxus not being included.
that is like mira statement didnt mean erza can use magic or something. its just mira + cheer leading erza vs jura lol
no, but i was talking about your retarded mind. gmg was full of sh!t hype, jura hype included. but since that hype is something you have wet dreams about...
who knows, laxus was never mentioned to be clear above mira. only thing that makes him stronger is mira absent fro duty.
its just wanker who think laxus was whole different class, conveniently not mentioned my mishma
because you are making sh!t excuses. she said fairy and phantom are balance. that normally means they are equal. nothing about your laxus not being included.
that is like mira statement didnt mean erza can use magic or something. its just mira + cheer leading erza vs jura lol
no, but i was talking about your retarded mind. gmg was full of sh!t hype, jura hype included. but since that hype is something you have wet dreams about...
who knows, laxus was never mentioned to be clear above mira. only thing that makes him stronger is mira absent fro duty.
its just wanker who think laxus was whole different class, conveniently not mentioned my mishma
Simple, the statements doesn't at all relate to Fairy Tail.
Gajeel outright states Laxus fucks the balance. Erza was correct in that FT and Phantom were closely matched at the time.
Every arc is full of shit hype. This is a direct comparison between characters outlined by Mashima.
Mashima mentions it all the time. In his manga and out. Laxus is powerful to the point that it's difficult to write him battles.
Simple, the statements doesn't at all relate to Fairy Tail.
Gajeel outright states Laxus fucks the balance. Erza was correct in that FT and Phantom were closely matched at the time.
Every arc is full of shit hype. This is a direct comparison between characters outlined by Mashima.
Mashima mentions it all the time. In his manga and out. Laxus is powerful to the point that it's difficult to write him battles.
However much magic power was used, she oneshotted the dragon form of a DE, which is still impressive to say at least
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To start a new topic, I have a theory that Avatar arc Natsu >>> Alvarez arc Natsu, because he still had Igneel's magic power within him back then.
We see Natsu oneshotting Ikusatsunagi, and then we see him casually oneshotting Bluenote, who was on par with Tenrou Gildarts.
In no way could I imagine Tenrou Gildarts being oneshotted by Alvarez base Natsu, who was toyed with by Marine Hello (or whatever his name was, I don't care.)
If it was because of Igneel's magic power, it would make much more sense to me. Ignia boosted Natsu mid-diffed a nerfed Mercphobia. Igneel boosted Natsu >= Ignia boosted Natsu, so it's plausible for him to oneshot a Gildarts level. In Alvarez arc he lost Igneel's magic power so he wasn't at all as powerful as when he stomped Bluenote.
1) No, it’s not. Your argument is she’s still relevant and she had to use all of her power to effect the weakest member of Diabolos shown so far, my man couldn’t take Wendy. An she exhausted her magical supply to deal with him. His DF makes him around Skullion, so he’s above him by a bit. Nowhere near to a BDSK or anybody actually relevant to the power scale. If that’s her only major feat in the sequal, she’s proving the irrelevance of Spriggan all on her own.
2) No, there’s absolutely nothing to suggest that he weakens or suddenly lacks in magic. All of his feats in fact continue to prove the point that he’s stronger than they were in base.
let me put this silliness to rest.
first Mira statement about jura.
Mira knew sh!t. she was either basing her statement on Jura WS status or maybe his mp. Mira knew nothing of jura or erza in action or being pushed
second Erza statement. erza also knew sh!t. she didnt know mystogan is going to waste time putting people to sleep and stealing their flags. she didnt know laxus wont show up. she didnt know Phantom guild actually walks and has a jupiter cannon.
when she made s class comment she knew not much about their strengths either. she was talking about what was common information for people. nothing accurate
her statement is clear, just like mira is, just like markarov was in alverzec. to hype an oppoenent.
s class was a thing in phantom arc, when erza mentioned them, she meant to say they were balanced. that means laxus=juvia, whether @Seven777 like it or not. we dont need to go into details like these s class are nowhere near fairy tail s class, we didnt know that at the time. nor did we know that WS arent the strongest at the time.
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what do you mean core. i am asking you she said they are balanced and then said WS on both sides and 4 s class. what is the point of mentioning s class. if you are correct, shouldnt erza has said all we need is laxus and we can forget about phantom
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no i am not. she said they balanced out which means fairy tail=phantom. nothing more
i never said i ignore it, i nrmally says there shouldnt be 20 tiers between them like in your wet dreams. gajeel can beat aria in high diff fight, that would still mean he is stronger.
and you will ignore markarov statement about ajeel. or minerva statement about not approaching kagura and jura. or jura statement about minerva nuke
and again i dont ignore erza being impressed by laxus tanking 25 formula, it was indeed something laxus shouldnt be able to do
and jura perfermoncae against serena proved that mira actually meant 4 juras cant beat one erza.
while i am trolling.
i am basically talking about bad guys hype generally are false.
nothing was known about s class or ws at the time
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i just wanted to point out, tha its laxus who improved alot. not erza. its in the manga.
laxus indeed grew alot to be able to tie with erza
Ima ignore the copious amounts of head cannon in this post, and jump to the end. Literally nothing agrees with your assessment of that statement. Nothing. An in fact it makes much more sense through the lens of Erza, like you, erroneously believe it she somehow closed the gap from Tartarus after her year training and being confronted with how the gap persisted. If she was insinuating he should be beneath her, she would have wondered when he surpassed her. I get why you like your version though.