Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Darklord#10]

Zeref and the s12 are nothing special.

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What people don't want to accept is that Irene is one shot material for Suzaku. She is nothing to him. Put an army of Irene and Suzaku would always win.


I’ve seen a lot of bullshit on this thread that shouldn't even be taken seriously. "Irene is stronger than Erza" "Irene defeated Erza" "Irene can one shot Erza without POF": Seriously, are we reading the same manga?? The truth is that Erza outclassed Irene in everything (physical strength speed endurance durability battle IQ). Even when she became a dragon Erza one shotted her with DS magic. An Erza in great shape and with her own enchantment would low diff Irene.


People need to understand that the Spriggan are powercreeped and getting destroyed by current FT members. The only one who has the feats to defeat Suzaku is August. And no Irene is not equal to August. He has been described multiples times as the strongest Spriggan. Irene is just a random Spriggan with a lot of magical power, nothing special. I even think weaker Spriggan like Larcade or God Serena can beat her.

@grey matter I think someone surpassed your hatred for zeref and s12

 

[Garmadooon]

I even think weaker Spriggan like Larcade or God Serena can beat her.

 

[WoWfan]

She couldn't even fight the historia properly because of her Injuries. She almost died against ajeel. Wtf are you talking about

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It's not even arguable it's a fact. She almost died twice. She passed out against the historia. She was in freaking bandages. Did you see her hands after stopping Des gray attack that shit look like it was going to fall.

I am referring to when she started against Irene, which her injuries where never mentioned to be of an issue.

Erza still managed to Haki them with her presence, and those Historias where those she considered powerful and she was out numbered, Wendy and Laxus were far more injured than Erza and they defeated their Historia simply because it was 1 v 1. Yet her hands stayed on, besides, that kind of injury is not fatal anyway.

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What people don't want to accept is that Irene is one shot material for Suzaku. She is nothing to him. Put an army of Irene and Suzaku would always win.


I’ve seen a lot of bullshit on this thread that shouldn't even be taken seriously. "Irene is stronger than Erza" "Irene defeated Erza" "Irene can one shot Erza without POF": Seriously, are we reading the same manga?? The truth is that Erza outclassed Irene in everything (physical strength speed endurance durability battle IQ). Even when she became a dragon Erza one shotted her with DS magic. An Erza in great shape and with her own enchantment would low diff Irene.


People need to understand that the Spriggan are powercreeped and getting destroyed by current FT members. The only one who has the feats to defeat Suzaku is August. And no Irene is not equal to August. He has been described multiples times as the strongest Spriggan. Irene is just a random Spriggan with a lot of magical power, nothing special. I even think weaker Spriggan like Larcade or God Serena can beat her.

How so? If Wendy could defeat someone on Suzaku’s level and Selene said Irene is stronger than Wendy, then how can Suzaku? Irene blitzed Erza, closing the distance between them before she could react. Hiro stated that there is no powercreep, that is the word of the author in the official manga, he still considers someone like Irene to be one of the most powerful, they have been stated to be relative to each other multiple times. Erza had Irene’s power up during the second half of the fight, making her relative enough to fight, and even after all that, with Wendy’s help too, Erza still lost, and Irene never fell.

 

[Mimi0207]

I am referring to when she started against Irene, which her injuries where never mentioned to be of an issue.

Erza still managed to Haki them with her presence, and those Historias where those she considered powerful and she was out numbered, Wendy and Laxus were far more injured than Erza and they defeated their Historia simply because it was 1 v 1. Yet her hands stayed on, besides, that kind of injury is not fatal anyway.

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How so? If Wendy could defeat someone on Suzaku’s level and Selene said Irene is stronger than Wendy, then how can Suzaku? Irene blitzed Erza, closing the distance between them before she could react. Hiro stated that there is no powercreep, that is the word of the author in the official manga, he still considers someone like Irene to be one of the most powerful, they have been stated to be relative to each other multiple times. Erza had Irene’s power up during the second half of the fight, making her relative enough to fight, and even after all that, with Wendy’s help too, Erza still lost, and Irene never fell.

Erza won her fight against Irene. She only fell because of the injuries and fatigue she accumulated throughout the war. If Irene committed suicide it was because she could not continue the battle. And Irene needed Wendy's help to defeat a BDSK while Erza did it alone with her enchantments.

I've already seen enough of your posts to know that there's no point in arguing with you. You will continue to overrate Irene despite her obvious defeat against Erza.


It's 2023 and people think the Spriggan are still relevant to current power. If Suzaku was in Alvarez he would have soloed the entire kingdom except August and Zeref.

 

[WoWfan]

Erza won her fight against Irene. She only fell because of the injuries and fatigue she accumulated throughout the war. If Irene committed suicide it was because she could not continue the battle. And Irene needed Wendy's help to defeat a BDSK while Erza did it alone with her enchantments.

I've already seen enough of your posts to know that there's no point in arguing with you. You will continue to overrate Irene despite her obvious defeat against Erza.


It's 2023 and people think the Spriggan are still relevant to current power. If Suzaku was in Alvarez he would have soloed the entire kingdom except August and Zeref.

Winning involves who is last one standing, Irene had a sword pointed at Erza’s throat as she was even unconscious, even with a surprise attack Irene still stood and Erza still on the ground. The only reason it is believers to be a “win” for Erza because Irene killed herself. Nothing stated that, she has been healed up before the final battle, most of her injuries are gone at that point, only a bandaid on her cheek, even Wendy said it was only a while for her to heal up on her own, so recovery is intense in FT world. if it was it would have been mentioned. Not true, she killed herself because she couldn’t bring herself to Kill her own daughter. That is actually the reverse as Wendy needed Irene’s help, but unbenounced to the former, it was all her own power, not Irene’s.

said the guy who makes things up like to act out of spite and not logic, but whatever. Selene stated Irene is stronger than Wendy who defeated Haku who scales to Suzaku. Simple as that.

 

[grey matter]

What people don't want to accept is that Irene is one shot material for Suzaku. She is nothing to him. Put an army of Irene and Suzaku would always win.


I’ve seen a lot of bullshit on this thread that shouldn't even be taken seriously. "Irene is stronger than Erza" "Irene defeated Erza" "Irene can one shot Erza without POF": Seriously, are we reading the same manga?? The truth is that Erza outclassed Irene in everything (physical strength speed endurance durability battle IQ). Even when she became a dragon Erza one shotted her with DS magic. An Erza in great shape and with her own enchantment would low diff Irene.


People need to understand that the Spriggan are powercreeped and getting destroyed by current FT members. The only one who has the feats to defeat Suzaku is August. And no Irene is not equal to August. He has been described multiples times as the strongest Spriggan. Irene is just a random Spriggan with a lot of magical power, nothing special. I even think weaker Spriggan like Larcade or God Serena can beat her.

She's clearly portrayed as the 2nd strongest Spriggan tho, but yeah she was clearly powercrept the moment Suzaku one shotted a stronger version of Erza and Natsu.
GS and Larcade can compete with her base, not when she goes dragon form. God Serena can technically be argued due to slayer advantage, but if Mashima writes Eileen wins for reasons.

Zeref and the s12 are nothing special.

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@grey matter I think someone surpassed your hatred for zeref and s12

I don't even hate Zeref or Spriggans (in general) lmao. Noticing they are trash isn't same as hating them, almost every character Mashima made since Tartarus are trash.

I just hate Eileen and Brandish, cause they are written like shit and Mashima knew exactly what he was doing when he wrote them (blatant simp bait).

 

[Darklord#10]

GS and Larcade can compete with her base

I disagree, she'll clap both of them in base. Actually larcade has a chance with his orgasm magic. GS gets negged, I don't really know what he can do to her.

 

[Garmadooon]

Irene and Brandish's problem is to have invented links from nowhere with our heroes (Erza and Lucy). They couldn't fight properly and use their magic wisely (especially Brandish). Zeref had the same problem his brotherly bond with Natsu and his curse of contradiction caused his loss.

 

[Darklord#10]

I don't even hate Zeref or Spriggans (in general) lmao. Noticing they are trash isn't same as hating them, almost every character Mashima made since Tartarus are trash.

I don't get why people even defend them. All of them are just trash weaklings. There's nothing to defend. People still think there's just full power potential that the s12 didn't show which is just headcanon. There's no full power potential.

My hate for the female spriggans is that they get special privileges from the fandom entirely and it's pathetic. Irene gets wanked to high heavens even august doesn't get wanked to Dg tier but Irene gets wanked to Dg tier. Brandish gets wanked to even dimaria gets wanked. I've been told that because Irene was called queen of dragons and igneel was just king of fire dragons it means that both of them are the same level. WTF......? Irene gets forgiveness for her performance against erza but zeref gets downplayed so hard because of his trash performance against natsu. Both of them are trash and garbage but Irene gets forgiveness and mercy while zeref doesn't. It's pathetic and sad.

 

[grey matter]

I disagree, she'll clap both of them in base. Actually larcade has a chance with his orgasm magic. GS gets negged, I don't really know what he can do to her.

What suggests God Serena gets negged by base Eileen?

God Serena is portrayed to be Gildarts level twice now. His feat of no diffing 3 GOI + Jura scales him superior to x792 Erza, who lost to a much weaker trio (strongest of the trio Kyouka < weakest of the 4 Jura).

Base Eileen scales only slightly above Erza (if x792 Erza is 10, base Eileen is say 12), as we saw from the 1v1 we saw between then AFTER Wendy went down. It was textbook back and forth between Erza and Eileen, to the point Eileen was getting angry and frustrated that Erza was keeping up and used her dragon form..

God Serena also no diff'd current ISM Gajeel, who scales to current LFD Natsu. There is a solid case to be made that God Serena is stronger than x793 Erza even, let alone x792 Erza.
There is zero reason to assume base Eileen "neggs" God Serena, completely baseless claim. At the very least, God Serena will put up a much better fight than x792 Erza did.

Larcade has a shot against base Eileen with his hax too. Just a leak of his magic affected Eileen and nerfed her.
Larcade just had the unfortunate circumstance of having the biggest hard counter matchup

 

[Darklord#10]

Irene and Brandish's problem is to have invented links from nowhere with our heroes (Erza and Lucy). They couldn't fight properly and use their magic wisely (especially Brandish). Zeref had the same problem his brotherly bond with Natsu and his curse of contradiction caused his loss.

But people like @MyaHeart35 doesn't even give zeref benefits of doubt but when it comes to Eileen his tail starts wagging and he starts defending her garbage fight against erza. Come to think of it why didn't erza use nakagami against Irene, acnologia, merchphobia?

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God Serena also no diff'd current ISM Gajeel, who scales to current LFD Natsu.

Beating up gajeel doesn't impress me. Even Mira can do that.

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What suggests God Serena gets negged by base Eileen?

She was compared to August while god Serena was compared to gildarts. Maybe you're right he doesn't get negged but the fight will just be the same as gildarts vs August. Gildarts didn't get completely outclassed but he was very much inferior to August in every capacity

 

[Darklord#10]

God Serena also no diff'd current ISM Gajeel, who scales to current LFD Natsu. There is a solid case to be made that God Serena is stronger than x793 Erza even, let alone x792 Erza.

I've seen nothing from god Serena to make me scale him to bdsk level if I'm being honest with you. Him dunking on gajeel just shows that gajeel is fodder. We already saw laxus dance all over skullion and madmolle, we saw Mira in Bss fight gray and skullion back to back. I just go along with god Serena being gildarts level cuz of fans but I've seen nothing from his current self who lets me believe he's on that level

 

[Ronin31]

It's 2023 and people think the Spriggan are still relevant to current power.

Why Mashima said Irene is still one of the strongest in the current Serie ?
Why God Serena has been reintroduced as a foe who low-diffed Gajeel ?
Why Grey thinks it will be a clean win when Lucy shaped with Brandish's body ?

 

[grey matter]

Beating up gajeel doesn't impress me. Even Mira can do that.

Says what?
You saying something doesn't make it true.

ISM Gajeel scales to LFD Natsu, and we are now seeing LFD Natsu fighting Athena.

Mira can't even no diff base Natsu, let alone LFD Natsu.
If we have to see LFD Natsu's portrayal, we have to look at x791 since that's when LFD was his main mode. LFD Natsu scaled above most of the demon gates, which is where Mira also scales to. Mira got defeated by Sayla pretty convincingly as well

And the gap between base Natsu and his peers only decreased as time went on. Current LFD Natsu has a shot against Mira, and so does ISM Gajeel by scaling.

She was compared to August while god Serena was compared to gildarts. Maybe you're right he doesn't get negged but the fight will just be the same as gildarts vs August. Gildarts didn't get completely outclassed but he was very much inferior to August in every capacity

Dude, Eileen's full power is comparable to August. How TF is her base comparable to August, when August can neg base Eileen? He copies her magic, and he is physically much superior to base Eileen. Base Eileen can literally do nothing to August, same as any other caster mage.

August > dragon Eileen (same tier) >> human Eileen (not same tier)

Man, go re-read Erza vs human Eileen right now. The chapter where she transforms in the end
They were having textbook back and forth battle,

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I've seen nothing from god Serena to make me scale him to bdsk level if I'm being honest with you. Him dunking on gajeel just shows that gajeel is fodder. We already saw laxus dance all over skullion and madmolle, we saw Mira in Bss fight gray and skullion back to back. I just go along with god Serena being gildarts level cuz of fans but I've seen nothing from his current self who lets me believe he's on that level

He got compared to Gildarts, similar to BDSK.
Portrayal is there obviously.

If I have to guess, Suzaku > Kirin > GS > Misaki > Haku

Mira admitted Skullion was an even match for her, so I don't even know what you are saying. So by feats, base Laxus one shots Mira too I guess. This is the issue when you scale without recognizing that Mashima retcons power levels

 

[Darklord#10]

So by feats, base Laxus one shots Mira too I guess.

Yes he will. Why don't you believe that. It was mashima's idea to feed laxus half of Diabolos guild, he could have done it with Mira but he chose not to

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Why Grey thinks it will be a clean win when Lucy shaped with Brandish's body ?

Still going on about this eh? You believe gray is as strong as natsu but you don't want to believe Lucy is as strong as Brandish. I just hope that brandish doesn't struggle against this fodders cuz it's not going to be even funny for you. Your bullshit is getting annoying

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Why God Serena has been reintroduced as a foe who low-diffed Gajeel ?

Okay?

 

[Garmadooon]

By feats Laxus should one shot Mira like he did with Skullion.

But if the author writes it it will be at least a mid diff fight.
Look what happened with Erza:

- She had a high diff with Kyria and needs her enchanted sword to defeat her
- Laxus low diffed Kyria in his base lightning
- Erza made a double knockout with RL Laxus.

There's never a stomp beyond the good guys, that's why some rely on representation.

 

[grey matter]

Yes he will. Why don't you believe that. It was mashima's idea to feed laxus half of Diabolos guild, he could have done it with Mira but he chose not to

Man, this is what I am saying.

You look at feats without recognizing Mashima retcons all the time.

Look at the level Kyria operated in during Merc arc.
- She one shotted Lucy as collateral damage from her roar.
- Even without her hax, Kyria was a good match for Erza in combat stats. Erza used her sword on her, and she broke it. Leading to Erza having to rely on enchantments. Tanked Erza's attack and got back up immediately ready for more.

Kyria (without her hax) was a high diff or at the very least a mid-high diff material for Erza.

She went from that, to low diff material to base Laxus, and then to lose to Lucy in 1v1. Makes any sense? Nah. Mashima retconned power levels, simple as that..

Golden rule:
Amongst "good guys", portrayal ALWAYS wins. Mashima will never write Laxus vs Mira where base Laxus one shots her, I can bet money on that.

 

[Darklord#10]

Says what?
You saying something doesn't make it true.

ISM Gajeel scales to LFD Natsu, and we are now seeing LFD Natsu fighting Athena.

Mira can't even no diff base Natsu, let alone LFD Natsu.
If we have to see LFD Natsu's portrayal, we have to look at x791 since that's when LFD was his main mode. LFD Natsu scaled above most of the demon gates, which is where Mira also scales to. Mira got defeated by Sayla pretty convincingly as well

And the gap between base Natsu and his peers only decreased as time went on. Current LFD Natsu has a shot against Mira, and so does ISM Gajeel by scaling

god Serena neg diffing gajeel just doesn't impress me. Laxus stomping madmolle and skullion together is much more impressive.

I've said it before I don't respect mashima's portrayals cuz he himself doesn't. When natsu faced god Serena he didn't even think of using any modes but gajeel had to use a mode and he still got negged.

god Serena no diffed ISD gajeel but natsu is dominating Athena 2 with LFD. There's literally no reason for Athena 2 to be that much weaker than god Serena if duke is going to have her to fight Dg. Base natsu was able to negate gs water, gajeel couldn't even negate anything from gs he got completely outclassed. LFD natsu is supposed to be equal to ISD gajeel because they fought and it was more or less a tie but mashima has done what he normally does. Retcon

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Golden rule:
Amongst "good guys", portrayal ALWAYS wins. Mashima will never write Laxus vs Mira where base Laxus one shots her, I can bet money on that.

But he literally could have just not done madmolle and skullion vs laxus. He is the one that decided that. This are the same people who gave natsu Mira and Erza trouble he literally could have just not written that, but he decided to feed laxus half of the known guild members. You guys make it seem like mashima is forced to do this things. He could have just avoided that but he chooses not to

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Dude, Eileen's full power is comparable to August. How TF is her base comparable to August, when August can neg base Eileen? He copies her magic, and he is physically much superior to base Eileen. Base Eileen can literally do nothing to August, same as any other caster mage

Okay this makes sense but when brandish compared them she didn't know about Eileen's dragon form. Personally I think brandish was wanking Eileen way too much. I've seen nothing from her to guarantee that wank

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Look at the level Kyria operated in during Merc arc.
- She one shotted Lucy as collateral damage from her roar.
- Even without her hax, Kyria was a good match for Erza in combat stats. Erza used her sword on her, and she broke it. Leading to Erza having to rely on enchantments. Tanked Erza's attack and got back up immediately ready for more.

Kyria (without her hax) was a high diff or at the very least a mid-high diff material for Erza.

She went from that, to low diff material to base Laxus, and then to lose to Lucy in 1v1. Makes any sense? Nah. Mashima retconned power levels, simple as

This just mean I can scale kyria above gray and gajeel. Gray already shit his pants in front of Mira. You keep mentioning portrayals but gray and gajeel have nothing the only life line for them is how mashima keeps begging us to believe they're as strong as natsu, but why can't he draw a good fight for both of them. He managed to produce haku misaki and kirin out of his ass but he can't do that for gray and gajeel who should scale to the main character. He brought gajeel in an arc just to have gs claps his cheeks and now gs s going to fight jellal.... but but gajeel should scale to natsu.
Gray has been fighting scraps throughout this sequel. The times he's been faced with strong opponents it's only two outcomes.....shit his pants or performs miserably. And this guys are supposed to be as strong as natsu. I don't respect this manga portrayals cuz it's not worth respecting.

 

[Ratrace]

I don't get why people even defend them. All of them are just trash weaklings. There's nothing to defend. People still think there's just full power potential that the s12 didn't show which is just headcanon. There's no full power potential.

it also didn’t help that Hiro made some of the good guys very OP after just one year. the Spriggan we’re supposed to be the most powerful enemies that FT ever faced but their performances wasn’t that great compared to some villains in the pass

 

[WoWfan]

it also didn’t help that Hiro made some of the good guys very OP after just one year. the Spriggan we’re supposed to be the most powerful enemies that FT ever faced but their performances wasn’t that great compared to some villains in the pass

Really, only Gildarts, Laxus and Natsu where the OP ones, even then that could only go so far With who they fought.