Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Prove where she was outperforming Kiria in swimsuit, cause they were rather evenly matched until she went flame empress mode. And even if you're argument holds up, you're forgetting the fact Erza was PISSED off at Kiria for how Kiria had humiliated her with her hypnosis spell and wanted VENGEANCE.

But even ignoring that, remember Tower Of Heaven? Once Erza wore Benizakura she went from being perception blitzed by Ikaruga to matching her speed and eventually defeating her once she wore the Benizakura Armor. So the Benizakura Armor does indeed increase speed.

- Erza kicked Kyria in the face, while Kiria didn't lay a hit on Erza. Erza wasn't merciless in her revange against Kiria, she was even thinking on Jellal during the battle.

- Erza Benizakura's blade is a blade to Erza put all her magic power (if she wants it) in the cut (which she wasn't doing against Kiria). The armor itself doesn't buff Erza's speed.

Ok?

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Why are you using Erza's battle against Enny Signario to reinforce your points? This doesn't make any sense, considering that Luso Signario is inferior to her sister. And Erza boosted her body with more power to defeat Enny, she was using much more magic to improve her physical capabilities.

Your arguments about Luso Signario plushies are incoherent, when the manga is clear with the situation. And Erza wasn't using her armor and magic to improve her physical attributes in those situations, very different from the manga page you brought now.

And I believe you've read the countless moments when Minerva, Erza and Jellal were trying to understand Luso Signario's abilities. They are on the pages where I posted them, there is no need to go beyond what is shown in the manga.

When Erza wanted to destroy Luso Signario, she destroyed...

Minerva has no achievements in the manga, there is no point in creating fanfics.

I already said the reasons for these pages with Enny. They show how fast Erz is to counter-attack even while being hurt and blitzed by another faster opponent. It demolishes your argument that Erza is someone who will be hit defenseless because was being targeted with her guard open.
Erza started the 3X1 battle against Luso with Benizakura armor, she then changed to Fire Flame armor and then changed to her base armor, waiting to change it again with the most suitable armor for the situation. Erza wasn't unprepared for battle.

Erza only destroyed Luso in their final fight because Luso suddenly wanted to defeat Erza competing her speed of creation of warriors against Erza's speed of destruction of these warriors, instead of fighting using her imagination to create things on her dimension. Luso has the hax to transform her foes into pets, and she didn't even try to use it against Erza in the second battle. And that doesn't change the fact that Luso could hit Erza multiple times, while Kiria couldn't hit Erza even once, and that Minerva can keep up with the speed of Luso's power.
Minerva > Lucy in terms of speed.

 

[Hexenhammar]

- Erza kicked Kyria in the face, while Kiria didn't lay a hit on Erza. Erza wasn't merciless in her revange against Kiria, she was even thinking on Jellal during the battle.

- Erza Benizakura's blade is a blade to Erza put all her magic power if she wants in the cut (which she wasn't doing against Kiria). The armor itself doesn't buff Erza's speed.

Ok?

Erza didn't kick Kiria in the face, huhhh? We can literally see Kiria blocking her kick with her arm.

Also, yes it has those properties, but the armor also increases her speed tremendously.

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She goes from being toyed with by Ikaruga to being able to keep pace with her and land a blow on her.

 

[Darklord#10]

Sting>Minerva and kagura combined

 

[Hexenhammar]

I have never seen someone so in love with Minerva and Kagura, I'm shocked.

 

[Rigel]

- Erza kicked Kyria in the face, while Kiria didn't lay a hit on Erza. Erza wasn't merciless in her revange against Kiria, she was even thinking on Jellal during the battle.

- Erza Benizakura's blade is a blade to Erza put all her magic power if she wants in the cut (which she wasn't doing against Kiria). The armor itself doesn't buff Erza's speed.

Ok?

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I already said the reasons for these pages with Enny. They show how fast Erz is to counter-attack even while being hurt and blitzed by another faster opponent. It demolishes your argument that Erza is someone who will be hit defenseless because was being targeted with her guard open.
Erza started the 3X1 battle against Luso with Benizakura armor, she then changed to Fire Flame armor and then changed to her base armor, waiting to change it again with the most suitable armor for the situation. Erza wasn't unprepared for battle.

Erza only destroyed Luso in their final fight because Luso suddenly wanted to defeat Erza competing her speed of creation of warriors against Erza's speed of destruction of these warriors, and not a battle of using her imagination in this dimension. Luso has the hax to transform her foes into pets, and she didn't even try to use it against Erza in the second battle. And that doesn't change the fact that Luso could hit Erza multiple times, while Kiria couldn't hit Erza even once, and that Minerva can keep up with the speed of Luso's power.
Minerva > Lucy in terms of speed.

What bad arguments. What part did you not understand that Erza wasn't using magic and armor when she was hit by Luso Signario's plushies (round 2)? When Erza used her armor Tenrin no Yoroi, she destroyed all of Luso's plushies. Against Enny, Erza was already using a lot of power to defeat her (another armor). Just read the panels.

There is no way to compare the two situations and contexts, which are very different.

Regarding the first round against Luso, this was the only time Erza used an attack to destroy Luso's plant creatures. After that, she undid her armor and no longer used magic. She watched Minerva fight and tried to understand Luso Signario's abilities, being surprised when she was transformed into an animal. Among other moments. It's all in the manga, you just have to read it.

And Erza destroyed Luso Signario when she wanted, this is the reality of the manga. It didn't matter much what Luso would do, she would still be defeated. Her sister Enny who is more powerful was defeated too. Erza defeated both of them without having the opportunity to rest, showing that she is far superior to both of them.

This is the reality of the manga. Furthermore, Minerva does not have speed feats because she did not dodge Luso's attack alone in the 1st round, Jellal and Erza also dodged it. And the context of Erza's fight against Luso in the 2nd round was much more serious and complicated, with Erza having to deal alone with several plushies coming from different angles.

Rebutting your arguments is easy because the manga is very exemplary. There is no way to create different interpretations for these scenes, so even if you are biased, you won't change reality.

 

[Darklord#10]

I have never seen someone so in love with Minerva and Kagura, I'm shocked.

Minerva is beautiful tho. As for kagura?

 

[Hexenhammar]

Minerva is beautiful tho. As for kagura?

Kagura ain't even ugly, just mid tbh. Not beautiful, not ugly.

Just truly mid.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

What bad arguments. What part did you not understand that Erza wasn't using magic and armor when she was hit by Luso Signario's plushies (round 2)? When Erza used her armor Tenrin no Yoroi, she destroyed all of Luso's plushies. Against Enny, Erza was already using a lot of power to defeat her (another armor). Just read the panels.

There is no way to compare the two situations and contexts, which are very different.

Regarding the first round against Luso, this was the only time Erza used an attack to destroy Luso's plant creatures. After that, she undid her armor and no longer used magic. She watched Minerva fight and tried to understand Luso Signario's abilities, being surprised when she was transformed into an animal. Among other moments. It's all in the manga, you just have to read it.

And Erza destroyed Luso Signario when she wanted, this is the reality of the manga. It didn't matter much what Luso would do, she would still be defeated. Her sister Enny who is more powerful was defeated too. Erza defeated both of them without having the opportunity to rest, showing that she is far superior to both of them.

This is the reality of the manga. Furthermore, Minerva does not have speed feats because she did not dodge Luso's attack alone in the 1st round, Jellal and Erza also dodged it. And the context of Erza's fight against Luso in the 2nd round was much more serious and complicated, with Erza having to deal alone with several plushies coming from different angles.

Rebutting your arguments is easy because the manga is very exemplary. There is no way to create different interpretations for these scenes, so even if you are biased, you won't change reality.

Your arguments are the terrible one. Erza is fast even without using any armor. She can fight with any suit since she holds a sword. It was shown multiple times in the manga. She clearly can also fight with her base armor:

You're implying that if Erza isn't using some relevant armor she is slow in reaction speed. It's not the case. Erza is naturally fast. The armor just increases some attributes (defensive and strike power in general). Hitting Erza means overcomes her fast reaction. Period. Everything I said about Minerva being portrayed as someone who can keep up with attacks that can hit Erza is true.
Minerva is faster than Lucy.

 

[Rigel]

Your arguments are the terrible one. Erza is fast even without using any armor. She can fight with any suit since she holds a sword. It was shown multiple times in the manga. She clearly can also fight with her base armor:

You're implying that if Erza isn't using some relevant armor she is slow in reaction speed. It's not the case. Erza is naturally fast. The armor just increases some attributes (defensive and strike power in general). Hitting Erza means overcomes her fast reaction. Period. Everything I said about Minerva being portrayed as someone who can keep up with attacks that can hit Erza is true.
Minerva is faster than Lucy.

Why did you bring up scenes from dozens of arcs ago? Lol. What a waste of time you had.

I think you did not understand. I mentioned that Erza wasn't using magic and armor in the scenes where she was fighting Luso Signario's plushies (round 2) because you WRONGLY compared the situation to the battle between Erza and Enny Signario, where Erza was using a lot of power (increasing her physical capabilities) to defeat her. Two battles with different contexts.

And I already explained to you Luso Signario's strategy to damage Erza without armor and magic.

I never insinuated that Erza is slow, I just dismissed her incoherent arguments. Very simple.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Why did you bring up scenes from dozens of arcs ago? Lol. What a waste of time you had.

I think you did not understand. I mentioned that Erza wasn't using magic and armor in the scenes where she was fighting Luso Signario's plushies (round 2) because you WRONGLY compared the situation to the battle between Erza and Enny Signario, where Erza was using a lot of power (increasing her physical capabilities) to defeat her. Two battles with different contexts.

And I already explained to you Luso Signario's strategy to damage Erza without armor and magic.

I never insinuated that Erza is slow, I just dismissed her incoherent arguments. Very simple.

Erza re-equip to Diamantium Armor, Luso changed it to a swimsuit, and then Erza just summoned a sword to destroy the plushie and moved forward in this way, because, as I said before, and as the manga showed multiple times, Erza can fight without any armor if she is baring a sword, and she was holding a sword. Erza just chose to advance without changing the armor again. She didn't have the time to change the armor after the plushie attacked her, since she couldn't even dodge the punch.

Minerva (who can keep up with Luso's attacks that hit Erza) > Lucy, in terms of speed, unless you're saying that Erza is slow.

 

[Rigel]

Erza re-equip to Diamantium Armor, Luso changed it to a swimsuit, and then Erza just summoned a sword to destroy the plushie and moved forward in this way, because, as I said before, and as the manga showed multiple times, Erza can fight without any armor if she is baring a sword, and she was holding a sword. Erza just chose to advance without changing the armor again. She didn't have the time to change the armor after the plushie attacked her, since she couldn't even dodge the punch.

This situation is not unknown to anyone here. Luso undid Erza's armor, leaving her only in a bikini so that she could apply her strategy without inconvenience (Erza's armor defensive capabilities).

The best that Luso Signario could do against Erza was to abuse the strategy of multiple plushies attacking Erza from different directions, looking for openings.

She used this strategy twice at the beginning of the confrontation against Erza. The moment Erza managed to fight with her armor, Erza destroyed it.

Mashima portrays that Erza wearing one of her armors was enough to defeat Luso Signario.

 

[Darklord#10]

erza beat koyoka without senses, mard is dirt to her. same for bluenote

Yeah yeah I'm lying

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

This situation is not unknown to anyone here. Luso undid Erza's armor, leaving her only in a bikini so that she could apply her strategy without inconvenience (Erza's armor defensive capabilities).

The best that Luso Signario could do against Erza was to abuse the strategy of multiple plushies attacking Erza from different directions, looking for openings.

She used this strategy twice at the beginning of the confrontation against Erza. The moment Erza managed to fight with her armor, Erza destroyed it.

Mashima portrays that Erza wearing one of her armors was enough to defeat Luso Signario.

Erza used an armor focuses on the quantity of simutaneous attacks. It was the same armor that countered Laxus attacks.
Tenrin is the only armor who can make Erza attacks cover a huge area.
Erza didn't show any other way to fight Luso. And even so, Luso was nerffed by suddenly loosing his mind in the battle by ego, because she could just make Tenrin armor disappear, nullyfing Erza's attack.

However, it not changed that fact that Luso's power can hit Erza multiples times and Kiria's cuts didn't hit Erza even once.
Luso's power > Kiria's speed. Minerva could keep up with Luso's power. Minerva > Lucy in terms of speed. Source: manga.

 

[Rigel]

Erza used an armor focuses on the quantity of simutaneous attacks. It was the same armor that countered Laxus attacks.
Tenrin is the only armor who can make Erza attacks cover a huge area.
Erza didn't show any other way to fight Luso. And even so, Luso was nerffed by suddenly loosing his mind in the battle by ego, because she could just make Tenrin armor disappear, nullyfing Erza's attack.

However, it not changed that fact that Luso's power can hit Erza multiples times and Kiria's cuts didn't hit Erza even once.
Luso's power > Kiria's speed. Minerva could keep up with Luso's power. Minerva > Lucy in terms of speed. Source: manga.

That's a little funny to argue about... and I don't think you should try to argue about it because it's pointless, a huge waste of time.

Erza would beat Luso Signario regardless of what she did, the manga's narrative is clear about that. Enny Signario herself mentions that she wouldn't use tricks (she also has the same ability as Luso, she just uses it differently) to fight Erza because it wouldn't make a difference. And since Enny is stronger than Luso and yet was defeated right after her sister was crushed by Erza, the manga makes it clear how superior Erza is in relation to these two characters.

Honestly, it's best if you continue with the argument about Minerva's speed because at least you can distort the scenes to favor your arguments.

Now doubting Erza's superiority over Enny and Luso is too illusory to discuss. Lol

 

[Darklord#10]

That's a little funny to argue about... and I don't think you should try to argue about it because it's pointless, a huge waste of time.

Erza would beat Luso Signario regardless of what she did, the manga's narrative is clear about that. Enny Signario herself mentions that she wouldn't use tricks (she also has the same ability as Luso, she just uses it differently) to fight Erza because it wouldn't make a difference. And since Enny is stronger than Luso and yet was defeated right after her sister was crushed by Erza, the manga makes it clear how superior Erza is in relation to these two characters.

Honestly, it's best if you continue with the argument about Minerva's speed because at least you can distort the scenes to favor your arguments.

Now doubting Erza's superiority over Enny and Luso is too illusory to discuss. Lol

Just put him on ignore

 

[Rigel]

Just put him on ignore

I think I'll do that.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

That's a little funny to argue about... and I don't think you should try to argue about it because it's pointless, a huge waste of time.

Erza would beat Luso Signario regardless of what she did, the manga's narrative is clear about that. Enny Signario herself mentions that she wouldn't use tricks (she also has the same ability as Luso, she just uses it differently) to fight Erza because it wouldn't make a difference. And since Enny is stronger than Luso and yet was defeated right after her sister was crushed by Erza, the manga makes it clear how superior Erza is in relation to these two characters.

Honestly, it's best if you continue with the argument about Minerva's speed because at least you can distort the scenes to favor your arguments.

Now doubting Erza's superiority over Enny and Luso is too illusory to discuss. Lol

There is a huge different of beating someone and beating someone without hard effort.
I beg you to explain how Erza would defeat Luso if the latter transformed Erza into a dog again. But you can't explain it.
If Erza really could have deal with all the extension of Luso's power, Mashima would put Erza overcoming even her transformation ability, instead of writing a plot in which Luso get mad and looses her mind:

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Funny how people here talk about forced victory just when it's convenient to then.
Funny how the one that is saying that Enny is stronger than Luso (because is something stated in the manga and something that I agree with), keeping denying that Luso's power could hit Erza way more times than Kiria (who basically couldn't), and how Minerva's speed scales using that as reference.

 

[Hexenhammar]

There is a huge different of beating someone and beating someone without hard effort.
I beg you to explain how Erza would defeat Luso if the latter transformed Erza into a dog again. But you can't explain it.
If Erza really could have deal with all the extension of Luso's power, Mashima would put Erza overcoming even her transformation ability, instead of writing a plot in which Luso get mad and looses her mind:

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Funny how people here talk about forced victory just when it's convenient to then.
Funny how the one that is saying that Enny is stronger than Luso (because is something stated in the manga and something that I agree with), keeping denying that Luso's power could hit Erza way more times than Kiria (who basically couldn't), and how Minerva's speed scales using that as reference.

'Kiria couldn't hit Erza, alright dude you are completely ridiculous at this point. These arguments are getting worse and worse by the minute.

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Two instances of Kiria landing blows on Erza, that Erza herself couldn't dodge. Yes in the first one she used her blade to block it, but Erza couldn't dodge it, and as we've shown earlier, the Hakama Pants armor exponentially boosts her speed as seen here.

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Kiria forcing Erza to actually PARRY her strikes, is far more impressive than dodging Luso especially when Erza was clearly using much weaker and slower armors. Hell, Kiria even hits Erza with her hypnosis attack which is a SHOCKWAVE, and also manages to hit characters like Laxus as well if we really wanna go there. So yes, Kiria is indeed faster than Luso and Minerva.

 

[Garmadooon]

@Rigel @Hexenhammar
I congratulate you and thank you for defending Lucy's honor against all these haters who do not want to admit that she has become stronger than old and outdated characters.

And yes it is a fact that Kyria posed a problem to Erza, even if the latter did not give her all this still makes Kyria and Lucy evolve above Minerva (Kagura has no feats apart taking L against the Spriggans so she doesn't deserve to be in the debate)

 

[Hexenhammar]

@Rigel @Hexenhammar
I congratulate you and thank you for defending Lucy's honor against all these haters who do not want to admit that she has become stronger than old and outdated characters.

And yes it is a fact that Kyria posed a problem to Erza, even if the latter did not give her all this still makes Kyria and Lucy evolve above Minerva (Kagura has no feats apart taking L against the Spriggans so she doesn't deserve to be in the debate)

No problem, but you should give Rigel the credit. Until he got reasonably annoyed and left the debate, he was doing all the heavy lifting here.