Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Ratrace]

I didn't interpret it this way.

You can interpret anyway you want

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Neither i did a ranking but i still said power, my example was to show that the same way Natsu defeated Neinhart because his power was superior, END should have defeated Dimaria because his power was superior, not because of any ability, i was demonstrating that the use of the word power can mean it.

the way Lucy and Mira talk about in the Q&A makes it sound like an ability. Like how Brandish has the power to make things bigger or smaller. (I’m just adding this on here what if it’s both
Like this right here)

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--- Double Post Merged, Dec 21, 2024 ---

Not necessarily, and without direct evidences of an ability i cannot just assume it. Like i said, what we know about END powers is that it uses fire and can kill a immortal, if it have an ability to counter time stop it should have been directly stated, but in other hand we can simply assume that END power surpassed Dimaria's power and due to that Age Seal didn't worked on him.

I just showed you evidence you just don’t want to believe it or add something that isn’t there

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power level or power boost

that‘s not how they were using though because at the end Lucy says that’s a really useful power, which would make more sense if they were talking about END increasing Natsu power not END vs. some random Hax

Look END > Dimaria but it’s not the only reason why he was able to move in the time seal

 

[GodSlayer666]

the way Lucy and Mira talk about in the Q&A makes it sound like an ability. Like how Brandish has the power to make things bigger or smaller. (I’m just adding this on here what if it’s both
Like this right here)

But i can read it as a power boost without any prejudice to the phrase or the context, to me for this to be an ability it should have directly been said that ENDs power granted him immunity to special kinds of magic or something like that, you know, more details.

Igneel power was both a power boost and a counter to IMMORTALITY, we can't just assume that it gives you immunity to any hax because it was never said so, END is similar to Igneel power, they are both a power boost and a counter for immortality without any info about them countering other kinds of hax.

I just showed you evidence you just don’t want to believe it or add something that isn’t there

It's not a strong evidence if i can read it as just a power boost that made Natsu bypass Dimaria power level. Natsu relies on emotions to be above spriggans, normally someone like Brandish, who has a explicit restriction, could affect him, with END boost someone like Brandish can never affect him. Besides i don't see nothing supporting the ability theory while i see Larcade and Irene ranking and Dimaria own words supporting the power boost theory.

that‘s not how they were using though because at the end Lucy says that’s a really useful power, which would make more sense if they were talking about END increasing Natsu power not END vs. some random Hax

Look END > Dimaria but it’s not the only reason why he was able to move in the time seal

Again Natsu relies on emotions, with END power he automatically bypass haxed magics like Brandish magic while he can be vulnerable at base. Besides it should really hurt Zeref.
Explain why Larcade and Irene are above her then

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

the way Lucy and Mira talk about in the Q&A makes it sound like an ability. Like how Brandish has the power to make things bigger or smaller. (I’m just adding this on here what if it’s both
Like this right here)

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For me it's just that Natsu wooke up END's power, and because of it he could move in the stopped time, and END also has the power to burn "things", so even the anti-magic coffinf was burned by his power and, after he saw that Lucy was death, he got angry and attacked Dimaria with a strong spell. End.

 

[Goku solos]

Seems like Mashima answered my question about who will win Laxus or Suzaku.
Regarding the answer, it was (well, I don’t know because their abilities are different and unrelated, and I cannot answer this question without thinking, so now I don’t know)

 

[GodSlayer666]

Seems like Mashima answered my question about who will win Laxus or Suzaku.
Regarding the answer, it was (well, I don’t know because their abilities are different and unrelated, and I cannot answer this question without thinking, so now I don’t know)

Please put the source, Kirin wankers need to see

 

[MangerDan]

Yeah but later on Hiro said it’s a power he got for being END so either END has some type of ability that allows him to move or Hiro changed his mind

Or that’s what Mirajane thinks happened. I’ll say this, END being able to walk in time stop as an ability he has is just dumb narrative wise. Might as well make him immune to all magic.

 

[aymen24]

Seems like Mashima answered my question about who will win Laxus or Suzaku.
Regarding the answer, it was (well, I don’t know because their abilities are different and unrelated, and I cannot answer this question without thinking, so now I don’t know)

Are you the one who asked him that day?

For those asking about the source.....
Anyway it was in Mashima Space on August 13th

The translator forgot the character's name because she didn't read the 100YQ

But most likely it was Suzaku because someone asked Mashima about them

https://i.ibb.co/hsqNyRC/20241222-152649.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/wSkck4k/20241222-162844.jpg

This translator came back today and put the answer because she was absent for a while

https://i.ibb.co/L96p2kv/20241222-162742.jpg

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At least this proves that Mashima doesn't just answer randomly without thinking.

 

[Ratrace]

But i can read it as a power boost without any prejudice to the phrase or the context, to me for this to be an ability it should have directly been said that ENDs power granted him immunity to special kinds of magic or something like that, you know, more details.

It said it maybe a power he got for being END.

Why does it directly need to say it all we know about END is that he was a fire demon created to destroy Zeref

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It's not a strong evidence if i can read it as just a power boost that made Natsu bypass Dimaria power level. Natsu relies on emotions to be above spriggans, normally someone like Brandish, who has a explicit restriction, could affect him, with END boost someone like Brandish can never affect him. Besides i don't see nothing supporting the ability theory while i see Larcade and Irene ranking and Dimaria own words supporting the power boost theory.

In the Q&A it said it had to be something out of the ordinary. So can’t be a power booster because we already know that’s a thing

 

[GodSlayer666]

At least this proves that Mashima doesn't just answer randomly without thinking.

Mashima don't know who is stronger between Suzaku and Laxus but made Laxus ONE SHOT Kirin. This means that the dabate Kirin vs Suzaku is over, Suzaku was the strongest BDSK all along

I mean, who could have imagined that the BDSK with the best feats was the strongest? Who could have imagined that the guy who coped about being one shotted by Laxus was just making self boasts? Who? WHO? I'm completely shocked

It said it maybe a power he got for being END.

Why does it directly need to say it all we know about END is that he was a fire demon created to destroy Zeref

Because this power he got from being END could be just a boost. Not saying it can't mean an ability, but by the set of elements it should be a boost.

 

[Ratrace]

Or that’s what Mirajane thinks happened. I’ll say this, END being able to walk in time stop as an ability he has is just dumb narrative wise. Might as well make him immune to all magic.

It is Hiro using this characters to answer people’s questions, but I would be surprised if he doesn’t know because he never did anything with END

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 22, 2024, Original Post Date: Dec 22, 2024 ---

Because this power he got from being END could be just a boost. Not saying it can't mean an ability, but by the set of elements it should be a boost.

Like I said before it was something out of the ordinary so can’t be just a boost because we already know that’s a thing. I’m not denying he got some kind of boost it’s just I don’t think it’s the only reason

 

[GL_Nova]

Wall is the weakest? Even Jacob and Neinhart are stronger than him?

Whole page is in a different language and my phone doesn't translate. Interesting, as he has one of the better performances of the entire squad. Anybody got the quote in actual english

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He named 3 tiers for his ranking, named the strongest characters in these lists and for his lowest rank he mentioned the weakest Spriggan.

Based on Mashima Ranking:
Top Tiers:
August, Irene(he called them equal)

Mid Tiers:
Larcade,Dimaria(was called above God Serena), God Serena(these 3 are the strongest in the mid tier range)

Low Tiers:
Wahl(Weakest Spriggan because he only called him for that rank).

I assume we can add Neinhart,Jacob and Ajeel to Low Tier Range too, Brandish most likely too
Invel and Bloodman are probably in mid tier range, but weaker than God Serena,Dimaria and Larcade.

So Mashima ranking could look like this:

Top tiers:
August=Irene

Mid tiers:
Larcade>DiMaria>GodSerena>Invel>Bloodman

Low tiers:
Jacob>Neinhart>Brandish>Ajeel>Wahl

Wait, he's the only one he mentioned or he said he's the weakest. Cause in every other tier he starts with the strongest and goes down. That would imply Wahl is the strongest on the Low tier.

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Mashima don't know who is stronger between Suzaku and Laxus but made Laxus ONE SHOT Kirin. This means that the dabate Kirin vs Suzaku is over, Suzaku was the strongest BDSK all along

I mean, who could have imagined that the BDSK with the best feats was the strongest? Who could have imagined that the guy who coped about being one shotted by Laxus was just making self boasts? Who? WHO? I'm completely shocked

Because this power he got from being END could be just a boost. Not saying it can't mean an ability, but by the set of elements it should be a boost.

Why would this mean that? He didn't say anything about Suzaku being too strong, he said their powers don't make it an easy answer. Which matches his regular non answers lol

 

[Darklord#10]

Wait, he's the only one he mentioned or he said he's the weakest. Cause in every other tier he starts with the strongest and goes down. That would imply Wahl is the strongest on the Low tier.

Nah he said something like august and Irene are the strongest, then larcade god Serena and dimaria then the rest and said wahl was last.
Must be hard for laxussis

 

[GodSlayer666]

Why would this mean that? He didn't say anything about Suzaku being too strong, he said their powers don't make it an easy answer. Which matches his regular non answers lol

What kind of 4D Chess is this? I'm not saying that Suzaku is too strong for Laxus or anything like that, i just said the OBVIOUS, if Mashima needs to think more about who would win between Suzaku and THE GUY WHO DEFEATED KIRIN, so Suzaku is stronger than Kirin at the very least. Debate is over dude. Cmon Suzaku vs Laxus is a better debate and now you can argue that Laxus can leech Suzaku feats with a better material.

Like I said before it was something out of the ordinary so can’t be just a boost because we already know that’s a thing. I’m not denying he got some kind of boost it’s just I don’t think it’s the only reason

But i'm saying there is no need for anything else than the boost, if it had anything else it had to be explicitly stated, not just implied even because i can easily replace the ability meaning with power boost meaning only without prejudice. What i mean is that, if this ability was not directly explained i cannot just assume that it exist.

 

[MangerDan]

It is Hiro using this characters to answer people’s questions, but I would be surprised if he doesn’t know because he never did anything with END

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Like I said before it was something out of the ordinary so can’t be just a boost because we already know that’s a thing. I’m not denying he got some kind of boost it’s just I don’t think it’s the only reason

I don’t think he doesn’t know, it’s pretty much established if a character or something is powerful enough they’re basically immune to certain magic spells. The answer comes off like two readers speculating anyways.

 

[Darklord#10]

do not intend to engage in lengthy discussions across several pages of this forum, but rather to show the people who frequent it that the claims you make about God Serena do not reflect Mashima's words, much less the narrative. You are free to create your power scaling and distortions, but they will not hold up against the obvious truth.

What kind of 4D Chess is this? I'm not saying that Suzaku is too strong for Laxus or anything like that, i just said the OBVIOUS, if Mashima needs to think more about who would win between Suzaku and THE GUY WHO DEFEATED KIRIN, so Suzaku is stronger than Kirin at the very least. Debate is over dude. Cmon Suzaku vs Laxus is a better debate and now you can argue that Laxus can leech Suzaku feats with a better material.



But i'm saying there is no need for anything else than the boost, if it had anything else it had to be explicitly stated, not just implied even because i can easily replace the ability meaning with power boost meaning only without prejudice. What i mean is that, if this ability was not directly explained i cannot just assume that it exist.

Your speciality

 

[GodSlayer666]

Your speciality

So you also think that i'm overestimating Serena and that i'm doing 4D Chess around him. So i am the one who ranked him above Laxus, who made his historia hold his own against Gildarts himself and even scratch him, who made Gildarts praise Serena alive version and who made Serena get the upper against Jellal (100YQ Laxus rival) at the start of their fight, ok then

 

[Ratrace]

But i'm saying there is no need for anything else than the boost, if it had anything else it had to be explicitly stated, not just implied even because i can easily replace the ability meaning with power boost meaning only without prejudice. What i mean is that, if this ability was not directly explained i cannot just assume that it exist.

Like I said power can be another name for ability or something. Just because someone it’s stronger doesn’t mean a spell isn’t going to work on them

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I don’t think he doesn’t know, it’s pretty much established if a character or something is powerful enough they’re basically immune to certain magic spells.

If you’re talking about haxes that’s true for some of them but not all, now there might be a limit

 

[GodSlayer666]

Like I said power can be another name for ability or something. Just because someone it’s stronger doesn’t mean a spell isn’t going to work on them

I know that being stronger make you immune to some spells is not a rule, Larcade, Kyria and Haku are examples of users of magics that can affect people stronger than them, but my point is that Dimaria is not like them. If she was like Larcade she would simply screw him in a fight, his hax takes too long to work while she just need to use her teeth, but we know that by narrative he is put above her and other regular spriggans, and since Irene would be a problem too to counterbalance her hax she needs to have the same restriction of Brandish. I also assume this for Jacob's transport, forget his ridiclous weakness, how a dressed Irene would deal with his transport? Even Misaki dimension has a time limit and you also can fight Misaki herself there making it easier to deal, but Jacob's dimension seems to just cage the opponent with no detailed ways to deal with it. So Dimaria hax being restricted by the opponent power level explains Larcade and Irene being above her, it's supported by her own words and i don't think that the Q&A was enough to assume an special abilty for END.

 

[Ratrace]

I know that being stronger make you immune to some spells is not a rule, Larcade, Kyria and Haku are examples of users of magics that can affect people stronger than them, but my point is that Dimaria is not like them. If she was like Larcade she would simply screw him in a fight, his hax takes too long to work while she just need to use her teeth, but we know that by narrative he is put above her and other regular spriggans, and since Irene would be a problem too to counterbalance her hax she needs to have the same restriction of Brandish. I also assume this for Jacob's transport, forget his ridiclous weakness, how a dressed Irene would deal with his transport? Even Misaki dimension has a time limit and you also can fight Misaki herself there making it easier to deal, but Jacob's dimension seems to just cage the opponent with no detailed ways to deal with it. So Dimaria hax being restricted by the opponent power level explains Larcade and Irene being above her, it's supported by her own words and i don't think that the Q&A was enough to assume an special abilty for END.

The only Spriggan that Dimaria used her magic on was Brandish so we don’t know what would happen if she used it on the others now some may have ways to protect themselves. Only example people have that her spell doesn’t work on people stronger than her is END (but even that is debatable)

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

The only Spriggan that Dimaria used her magic on was Brandish so we don’t know what would happen if she used it on the others now some may have ways to protect themselves. Only example people have that her spell doesn’t work on people stronger than her is END (but even that is debatable)

I don't know why you insist on going against something obvious: Dimaria's magic makes her enemies defenseless against her, if she could stop Irene and Larcade in time, they would be weaker than her, but the manga and the author made clear that they are stronger than her. Dimaria already said in the manga explicitly that Natsu-END was more powerful than a god (the source of her magic) when he overcame the stopped time, so it's pretty clear that being significantly stronger than Dimaria cancels the effect of her hax magic. Larcade's magic/curse was supposed to work on Acnologia; Dimaria's magic doesn't.
The order of strength is: August/Irene > Larcade > Dimaria > God Serena.