Because Zeref is better than August and knows more about FT than August does, so he said Ajeel could go but not alone for personal reasons.
Nope, doesn't have jack or shit to do with what I said lol you be having conversations all on your own huh. What does Zeref letting him go to Ishgar gotta do with August and his disagreement that the blow would have killed him. Nothing because it isn't connected at all. You keep trying to make it so, but my point remains between August and Ajeel. A since he didn't let Ajeel go on his own, whatever off the wall nonsense point you was tryina make still fails. Kinda sad. Then your gunna be like "but he was holding his own against Erza" and ignore the 50th time somebody points out he only lasted that long because she couldn't use Requip. Second that guy got taken out she immediately recognized it and two pieced Ajeel out of the war, to return and get owned by Elfman and his lil sister lol.
Laxus was not sick at the time though, he couldn’t oneshot Wall since his physical strength couldn’t harm him either, and his physical stats would equal his magical one. Elfman would be close to Natsu’s level as well since the two fought and Natsu recognized his strength too. There were no statement of weakness advantage of lightning to sand, Laxus never used lightning against sand world. here is a question, could Laxus harm a full power Dragon God?
yes he does, you seem to be confused quite a bit, because Ajeel claimed he could handle it, Zeref saying it would be fine, neither August nor Invel called him out on it, and they worship the ground beneath Zeref’s feet, especially when Ajeel said Zeref was “Out of his mind”. In the end it is about strength and authority, Zeref trumps August in both when it comes to the matter of Ajeel’s strength for the task at hand, he didn’t let him go not because he couldn’t but because he has his own reasons. Same can be said he didn’t even use any of his best spells so he wasn’t even going all out. You seem to be confused because Ajeel was fine the moment she requiped, Erza required him to be distracted several times to actually do significant damage with countermeasured, nothing she could do on her own, same with Elfman and Lisanna who had countermeasures, and Elfman who fought Natsu and acknowledged his strength. That link means nothing. What is sad is that you claim that you are done talking to me but come back anyway.
Only one mage was already giving him a lot of trouble, he could only beat the fodders, but if you put someone minimally decent against him and combine with some fodders Ajeel was doomed. Erza and Natsu was on the team, Makarov was just massively underestimating them just like you are, seriously bro, do you read what happened later in the manga? Even Gray alone was a factor against spriggans at the time.
She reduced Gray, she didn't stopped the spell, it may be useful for Brandish herself to play the Ant-Man against him, but i'm still don't seeing how Mirajane would have countered it. He actually didn't used it in the second round against FT.
Well, this actually makes me more inclined to think that what make him uncounscious was being drown after being hit, the Neinhart attack also may be fast.
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What i'm saying is that i never saw Irene boosting anyone to compete with Acnologia or a dragon god despite her having enchantments that boosts the powers of people, besides Acnologia was mostly playing with her, not even August could react to his speedblitz. Brandish still didn't tried to go by herself in none of these occasions
Well he wasn’t really going all out either, and that mage was around Laxus’ level. I would incline to believe but even Natsu’s Igneel power reacts to their power before using it on Zeref. Actually Gray wasn’t which required him to get a power up from the Darkness within him, since then he hasn’t used that level of strength.
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Erza only truly become Laxus level at 100YQ, before that she was always portrayed to be weaker, Laxus ranked her below him and Mystogan in Battle of Fairy Tail and then Gray confirmed that he was above her saying that the ones who didn't suffered much with the 7 years powercreep were Gildarts and Laxus
Natsu is the guy who one shotted enchanted Neinhart and also one shotted Jacob the moment the Guild's building was out of danger. Gray was able of competing with a spriggan even before that
Can Mira redirect non physical attacks? Black Ash seems mostly a haxed attack, i mean, don't think it's possible to redirect freezing either.
Don't think this is the only option, and even if it is, Jellal simply low diffed him in the rematch, so the attack was most likely only this effective in that specific circumstance. Just dodging an attack is easier than intercepting an attack, to dodge you just need speed, to intercept you need speed, precision and power to block it, if this attack is so good then it wouldn't be that easy to block it
Dude, Makarov literally grabbed him in Tenrou
Wait, wait, wait, are you trying to say that Brandish could have killed Merc if the mission wasn't just to turn him back to normal and svae Lucy?
That statement was from Gray all the way back in Tenrou Arc, however Makarov is stronger and wiser so he would know more, he said Erza might stand a chance back in BFFT arc. Example when comparing their two battles. Erza before could withstand Laxus’ lightning attack with her armor, and in their recent rematch, her armor cracked but still managed to barely tie with him. That remains to be seen as Zeref would let him go fight Ishgar if not for his reasons, Ajeel was not even scared to death from that encounter yet acknowledged them as strong but still confident. Gary was struggling more than not ans Invel could stop his blade with one hand anfter he composed himself. Again, Neinhart enchanted did not boost his physical stats, Jacob was holding back too and still could tag him. Ash is not immaterial, it would more than not still work. It can redirect energy too which is immaterial in of itself. Not really as with what I said before with Jellal taking Zero’s hit would show him to be more than likely to be knocked out from the attack rather than succumb to drowning as he was still regular strength compared to his massive nerf state before. Same can be said for dodging as you need precision on where to move as it requires conscious action. Acno was more or less playing in Gildart’s own words at the time. And Erza said he was stronger since. It can’t be compared. Same can be said for knowing Wendy was there as well, and Jellal stopped him and still got stomped by August. You see the issue here? “If” Brandish was able to, she may get a few hits in but go down later by display and scaling alone.Erza only truly become Laxus level at 100YQ, before that she was always portrayed to be weaker, Laxus ranked her below him and Mystogan in Battle of Fairy Tail and then Gray confirmed that he was above her saying that the ones who didn't suffered much with the 7 years powercreep were Gildarts and Laxus
Besides he almost one shotted the spriggan who overwhelmed Erza, the whole point is that nothing is convincing that Ajeel wouldn't have been one shotted.
Natsu is the guy who one shotted enchanted Neinhart and also one shotted Jacob the moment the Guild's building was out of danger. Gray was able of competing with a spriggan even before that
It's Ice Maker Gray who is fodder to spriggans and not even Ur level
Can Mira redirect non physical attacks? Black Ash seems mostly a haxed attack, i mean, don't think it's possible to redirect freezing either.
Don't think this is the only option, and even if it is, Jellal simply low diffed him in the rematch, so the attack was most likely only this effective in that specific circumstance. Just dodging an attack is easier than intercepting an attack, to dodge you just need speed, to intercept you need speed, precision and power to block it, if this attack is so good then it wouldn't be that easy to block it
Dude, Makarov literally grabbed him in Tenrou
No reason to think Acnologia wasn't just playing with all of them, at that point of the story he was only going bloodlusted if he KNEW that you were a dragon slayer.
And here is August standing at the same position like someone who didn't reacted to the blitz
Wait, wait, wait, are you trying to say that Brandish could have killed Merc if the mission wasn't just to turn him back to normal and svae Lucy?
Prove it. She boosted everyone else
Who brandish? She boosted Lucy and Gajeel who injured DGs. And that is her power.
No. Mr. reading comprehension not included. Irene. Why would I be talking about Brandish, did she boost Nein, no. So back to the point, everybody else she amped was boosted across the board, prove that this one was different. We'll wait
Yes and Erza never seemed to get on Laxus level since then until 100YQ. Nah, not buying Makarov opinion when the whole Alavrez arc contradicts him. Here Laxus ranking Erza below him and Mystogan
My point was that before 100YQ Erza always overall weaker than Laxus and in Alvarez their gap seemed big. I will just take August opinion over Mr curse of contradiction and Elfman/Lisanna victim.
My point was that he was a relevant against a spriggan before his inner darkness amp, not that he could solo as neither Erza could.
He was still more powerful tahn before and still one shotted. I'm not questioning him being able of fighting holding back Natsu and Lucy, i'm saying that the guy who later one shotted enchanted Neinhart one shotted Jacob the moment he went serious against him.
Ajeel's Sand World or ice mages freezing also are not immaterial and i'm not seeing Mira redirecting those spells. She can redirect attacks based on ash, sand and ice but not when they have a haxed nature.
There are much more places to move when you are just dodging than when you are intercepting an attack, so not really precision.
Jellal stopped him because he was far from being as serious when he killed Serena and because Jellal wasn't a dragon slayer, Acnologia basically only stops of holding back when plot demands. The only spriggan potentially relevant against Acnologia was Larcade due to hax, but since his hax can be resisted in practice he is not relevant at all, Brandish can just make OTHERS somewhat relevant against Acnologia level.
In that way the ranking where you insist that God Serena is 5th would be wrong as both Jacob and Brandish could beat him and then the one contradicting ''what Hiro supposedly said'' would be you. And you even call me biased and say that i do mental gymanstics for seeking for a logic that with contradictions
Pretty sure Laxus was called out as arrogant here. Even the anime emphasize that Erza would be contender for strongest in that scene, and the anime is overseen by Hiro. Pretty sure it was Happy that told Laxus Gajeel could. Plus Hope and might are two different things. Would not take contender for strongest to suggest Erza out of the picture and take someone who is arrogant at the time seriously.Yes and Erza never seemed to get on Laxus level since then until 100YQ. Nah, not buying Makarov opinion when the whole Alavrez arc contradicts him. Here Laxus ranking Erza below him and Mystogan
And if you ara talking about Makarov thinking she might stand a chance, he was getting hope with even GAJEEL.
My point was that before 100YQ Erza always overall weaker than Laxus and in Alvarez their gap seemed big. I will just take August opinion over Mr curse of contradiction and Elfman/Lisanna victim.
My point was that he was a relevant against a spriggan before his inner darkness amp, not that he could solo as neither Erza could.
He was still more powerful tahn before and still one shotted. I'm not questioning him being able of fighting holding back Natsu and Lucy, i'm saying that the guy who later one shotted enchanted Neinhart one shotted Jacob the moment he went serious against him.
Ajeel's Sand World or ice mages freezing also are not immaterial and i'm not seeing Mira redirecting those spells. She can redirect attacks based on ash, sand and ice but not when they have a haxed nature.
There are much more places to move when you are just dodging than when you are intercepting an attack, so not really precision.
Jellal stopped him because he was far from being as serious when he killed Serena and because Jellal wasn't a dragon slayer, Acnologia basically only stops of holding back when plot demands. The only spriggan potentially relevant against Acnologia was Larcade due to hax, but since his hax can be resisted in practice he is not relevant at all, Brandish can just make OTHERS somewhat relevant against Acnologia level.
In that way the ranking where you insist that God Serena is 5th would be wrong as both Jacob and Brandish could beat him and then the one contradicting ''what Hiro supposedly said'' would be you. And you even call me biased and say that i do mental gymanstics for seeking for a logic that with contradictions
Regular spriggans hax can't affect people with higher magic power and this includes people around Gildarts level, end of case. Spriggans are way too wanked these days
Irene boosted Neinhart which made him stronger than Brandish whose power could harm a DG.
Old anime is known for its hate towards Gildarts. For some reason they removed every mention of Gildarts before his actual debut. On the scene you mention, they basically just changed "Gildarts" to "Erza".
I don’t think it’s hate since they gave Gildarts some of the best scenes in the anime. from what I heard is that the anime was never intended to get far up to Gildart’s debut in the show so they likely changed a lot of things to make it a more coherent story. Hiro would since he had plans for the manga even earlier before Edolas such as the OS arc which he intended to include their back story and connection to Erza and Jellal. So they would work together closely on that. And it makes sense that Erza would be the next best thing for to replace Gildarts.
Laxus was arrogant towards Erza but not towards Mystogan, didn't denied Gildarts as the strongest and was cautious about Makarov. Makarov having hopes on Gajeel may be a anime only thing, but at this point of time where Natsu was below Erza he also thought he stood a chance
Dude, no one is gonna buy that Elfman and Lisanna victim would not get one shotted by Laxus just because of a vague statement from Mr curse of contradiction and his contradiction works any time Mashima wanted. He was alone, my point is just that he was not a fodder for a spriggan.
So what? A more powerful version of Neinhart was still one shotted by a Natsu without doing anything special, just a punch, besides i don't even know a good reason for no stat boost in the enchantment.
God Serena was still stronger than pre-Orion 100YQ Jellal, so yes, Acnologia was absolutely holding back.
The problem of Larcade hax is that pain makes you resist them no matter if you are affected by it and takes too long to work. Jacob's transport and Brandish Command T requires far less movements, God Serena would need to speedblitz them and this would also depends on the distance, too many factors for his 5th poistion to not be questioned if they are really equalized, so the ranking God Serena>Laxus>most spriggans is what makes more sense.
Mystogen criticizes Laxus for being blind or foolish for thinking Erza was weak which showed he took that personally. Makarov more than not was likely referring to Natsu’s ability to get stronger with his flames of emotio since they boost his power. And there is a difference between might and maybe too, might indicates a possible action in the future contingent upon a condition being met. maybe is used here to indicate uncertainty about a decision or event happening in the future.Laxus was arrogant towards Erza but not towards Mystogan, didn't denied Gildarts as the strongest and was cautious about Makarov. Makarov having hopes on Gajeel may be a anime only thing, but at this point of time where Natsu was below Erza he also thought he stood a chance
Besides he said ''don't underestimate Gray'' but in the end Laxus was right on underestimating Gray (Battle of Fairy Tail Gray is a prototype of 100YQ Gray)
Dude, no one is gonna buy that Elfman and Lisanna victim would not get one shotted by Laxus just because of a vague statement from Mr curse of contradiction and his contradiction works any time Mashima wanted. He was alone, my point is just that he was not a fodder for a spriggan.
So what? A more powerful version of Neinhart was still one shotted by a Natsu without doing anything special, just a punch, besides i don't even know a good reason for no stat boost in the enchantment.
God Serena was still stronger than pre-Orion 100YQ Jellal, so yes, Acnologia was absolutely holding back.
The problem of Larcade hax is that pain makes you resist them no matter if you are affected by it and takes too long to work. Jacob's transport and Brandish Command T requires far less movements, God Serena would need to speedblitz them and this would also depends on the distance, too many factors for his 5th poistion to not be questioned if they are really equalized, so the ranking God Serena>Laxus>most spriggans is what makes more sense.
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He criticizes Laxus for calling Erza WEAK, but the point of Erza being below him and Mystogan still stands. Natsu emotion boost wasn't that big deal as it is today, at most he becomes Erza level, he needed DF to beat the arc bosses alone. I know the difference, Erza has more chance than Natsu via both narrative and words used, but both might and may are not will, Makarov had hope on both, more on Erza like demonstrated but my point is taht there is the Laxus ranking, the Gray ranking the Laxus vs Hades compared to Erza performance against him, Jura the strongest foe in GMG being defetead by Laxus, and Ajeel almost soloing Erza while August thought that Laxus could one shot Ajeel.
The strongest member of the Thunder Tribe was curbstomped by the weakest S Class mage, don't think this is a good portrayal for Gray as Natsu can become Erza level.
Ajeel would never solo X792 Ishgar, this is a fact, anything else is a delusion, Zeref can have his reasons as much as he want, but if he thought that Elfman and Lisanna victim could solo Ishgar then he is just delusional and his opinion must be not be regarded, but he just said that he wouldn't let Ajeel go to ishgar alone because he have his reasons to go with the entire army, he didn't said Ajeel would solo Ishgar, so if he was gonna let Ajeel go alone he either was deliberately letting Ajeel screw himself or is just a contradictory fool.
A magical non named attack, should i be impressed? And Brandish affecting him is the price of relying on emotion boost instead of having a solid power level.
Bro went from being overwhelmed by God Serena to beating him in few shots thanks to Orion, Jellal levels up via new spells so yes it is a big deal, the same way Laxus leveld up with Dragon King form Jellal leveled up with Orion, he is an archmage archetype, his fighting style relies on these spells. This is just Neinhart overestimation, God Serena tanked the same attack. Acnologia was literally laughing after GC.
Didn't worked? He would have died if it didn't worked, he resisted time enough to enter in Rogue's shadow, Natsu also it resisted later, so my point is someone with better stats than Larcade in a close distance or someone with powerful long ranged attacks should be able to resist enough to beat him. You could say that he would still beat them depending on the distance, but the same applies to Irene who can be naturally affected by Pleasure and should be specially vulnerable to RIP.
Wall could be one of the fastest spriggans despite his ranking, but if other spriggans are comparable to his speed then this just helps my point about God Serena position, he can't be higher than Brandish and Jacob in this circumstance.
Would not when Mystogen made her a contender for strongest using anime which Hiro oversaw. Would not say that considering Natsu Could put up a fight against one of wizard Saints even without DF, even Erza mentions Natsu possibly being stronger than her. All this would stem from his potential considering his power fluxes based on emotional state. Again, hope is not the same thing as might nor even maybe as hope is a desire for something that has not happened while might is something that can possibly happen based in the realm of certainty. Erza could take hits from Laxus before and survive Without her staggering, the only time she felt pain is when Laxus took advantage of her distress, you have to look at current performances too such as how Laxus breaking Erza’s thunder armor yet still extreme diff won to tie, yet before he couldn’t, that speaks volumes for any other rankings. Wendy with DF is stronger than Jura since he could not destroy a Face structure and she could, and Laxus struggled against Jura. And yet Zeref said he could go which he has more experience, power and authority over August. Spriggans of Brandish tier can still hold their own against peak DGs, that is because Hiro stated he doesn’t do power creeping in this series. Bixlow was beaten by Lucy too, not sure what you mean there, and that weakest was nerfed, it speaks to the level of power that S-Tiers in FT or similar have, you are talking current when Natsu can potentially reach that level, just like he can potentially be strongest with emotions. I never said he can solo all at once, but he still puts up a fight against Laxus that makes him tired and injured like Wall did, you keep saying Elfman and Lisanna when they were playing on Ajeel’s weakness and was acknowledged to be strong by Natsu’s standards, he was even a contender for the S-Class exams too, yet August and Invel did not speak up which they would do anything to protect Zeref’s honor even when Ajeel called Zeref crazy, he said that in context of strength comparing directly to GS, Zeref didn’t say he couldn’t based on strength. So you are saying that Natsu actually used actual effort against Neinhart because he had emotional boost? Orion was not enough to beat him and had to actually add other attacks too, but that was a robot at the time so we do not know if it was actual GS strength since he could injure and draw blood from Gildarts himself. Not a big deal when comparing to splitting the atmosphere open until you see space and firing faster than light spells at your enemies, he did not, there is a difference between just adding two more projectiles to the same attack and firing projectiles that hit with the kinetic energy from FTL speeds. Acno was an exception because of his powers and tier In the entire verse. sleeping was a slow process for all of them, trying to inflict pain on oneself did not halt that, if he had any resistance it was because it was White Magic, when he was hit by the tendrils that makes him feel happy he just scarfed that down because he never had sex before. Natsu was not resisting, otherwise Zeref would not have intervened. Irene was affected because she had sex before and her powers were even weakened to a significant degree. Ajeel can react to Erza even at close range, same with Jacob to Natsu, and they could react to Laxus’ attacks, how can’t GS not be faster than Jacob or Brandish despite relative tiering? Acno is the only exception for comparison considering he is the strongest in the Verse, and even nerfed GS could match Gildarts in speed.