Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

Mystogan was too and Natsu could throw hands with him at the end of Edolas. Natsu never beat Erza and could take him down in one hit multiple times so it seems legit. Besides this is a comedy series where they apply humor into fights. Besides, again, her combat against Irene would put her at a relative level to Laxus back then.

August was more vague on some possibility in the future which he clearly was dishonest about with his comrades dead and shed no tears while Makarov was more direct with his statement.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Mystogan was too and Natsu could throw hands with him at the end of Edolas. Natsu never beat Erza and could take him down in one hit multiple times so it seems legit. Besides this is a comedy series where they apply humor into fights. Besides, again, her combat against Irene would put her at a relative level to Laxus back then

It was just a theater for Edolas citizens anyway. Erza also scaled Natsu to her which supports the idea of her being a tier below Laxus but strong enough to be a threat to him just like Natsu was.

The Irene fight is an anti-feat for Irene

August was more vague on some possibility in the future which he clearly was dishonest about with his comrades dead and shed no tears while Makarov was more direct with his statement.

The most charitable interpretation of Laxus/Ajeel/August interaction is that Laxus would've at least severely injured Ajeel. The ones who won't even grant that much are arguing in bad faith, it's pointless to waste your time with them.

August straight up thinks Ajeel would've been dead. If he at least wouldn't have been severely injured, August's reaction makes zero sense.

I will just leave grey matter words here

 

[WoWfan]

It maybe for Mystogan to become the next king but Natsu explicitly stated that he ain’t going to take it easy so he is going in seriously. She is referring to Natsu’s ability to grow stronger with the flames of emotions, which supports Hiro’s statement of Natsu’s PL is variable. Not so as She wasn’t going all out until later which Erza had Irene’s enchantment thanks to Wendy, in fact it is anti-feat for Erza against Wendy’s full power who is weaker than Irene still. And yes, FT don’t hesitate against each other even when they’re fake or controlled as 100YQ states. I said at minimum that is injury but death is unlikely since Laxus can’t oneshot Wall and his MP scales to his physical stats, which is another anti-feat on Laxus part.

 

[GodSlayer666]

It maybe for Mystogan to become the next king but Natsu explicitly stated that he ain’t going to take it easy so he is going in seriously.

It was magicless Mystogan anyway, this would be a material to slander Natsu if the fight was really serious, only one who fight a magicless S Class FT mage and call it a day is Wall

She is referring to Natsu’s ability to grow stronger with the flames of emotions, which supports Hiro’s statement of Natsu’s PL is variable.

When she says ''He's probably on par with me. It's possible that's he is even more powerful'' The part that she suggest Natsu being more powerful than her shows that it's not just power growth comparison, but power level comparison. And he was emotionally boosted to fight Laxus too, he even used secret arts and in pre-timeskip era he only used it when he was really serious

Not so as She wasn’t going all out until later which Erza had Irene’s enchantment thanks to Wendy, in fact it is anti-feat for Erza against Wendy’s full power who is weaker than Irene still. And yes, FT don’t hesitate against each other even when they’re fake or controlled as 100YQ states. I said at minimum that is injury but death is unlikely since Laxus can’t oneshot Wall and his MP scales to his physical stats, which is another anti-feat on Laxus part.

There was no reason to hold back against any spriggan in the war, even against Neinhart she was going all out, just tired. Wendy only enchanted Erza with Irene body after the fight with base Irene obviously, so the entire fight against Base Irene is an anti-feat for her. If possessed Wendy is regular spriggan level she is already stronger than Alvarez Erza like Ajeel. He can't one shot Wall because of lightning immunity, if you are lightning mage and can't use lightning magic but Wall still can't beat you then shame on Wall, no matter how much of a fighter these characters are, they are still wizards, magic represents most of their power, without their magic they would be one or two tiers below their actual tier, that's why Mystogan fight also would just be slander material for Natsu

 

[WoWfan]

magicless Mystogan isn’t the same as magicless Jellal where the latter’s strength is tied to his magic power, he is born without magic so his durability is his own, and he is strong enough to tank Laxus’ attacks. Not so since Laxus has MP still which makes him physically strong, that is how he beat Natsu even when he has Lightning resistance. She only speaks a possibility, she still managed to beat him before, and even one shot him. Erza was able to stand on her feet and be comparable to one of the 10 WSs, something Natsu wasn’t able to challenge at his station without power or circumstances. Of course not since this is the biggest fight of their lives (apart from Zeref, Acno and DGs) but as Wendy boosted Erza’s stats with Irene’s enchantments because her power at the time was superior to Irene’s using Wendy’s full potential. Yeah, Potential Wendy is already somewhat above Erza which her DF is below Potential Wendy seeing as DF could not beat Dimaria, makes sense. Again, Laxus like any wizard’s physical stats are proportional to their MP, if anything would give 2 times the power since it is close quarters. But no, he could not even damage wall physically. Slayers are not immune to physical damage as proven with Natsu punching himself, Laxus against post-Tenrou Natsu, Laxus hurting Orga in close quarters combat and Silver. That is the point, even without lightning Laxus should be able to hurt Wall with physical since it is x1 of x2 his power. The same goes for Wall which is a compliment to Laxus’ strength with magic. Their bodies have to be strong enough naturally to handle their magic power, it can’t be anything more than they can’t handle. That is an axiom of FT power system

 

[GodSlayer666]

magicless Mystogan isn’t the same as magicless Jellal where the latter’s strength is tied to his magic power, he is born without magic so his durability is his own, and he is strong enough to tank Laxus’ attacks. Not so since Laxus has MP still which makes him physically strong, that is how he beat Natsu even when he has Lightning resistance.

Still not something to be impressed with, he still could only match Laxus with his magic staves, what turned him into S Class mages was his magical items as without that he is not even a wizard at all. Laxus was still physically boosted, but what Wall had was immunity not just resistance, and even if he was physciall boosted it's his lightning magic that is capable of nuking a big area, you are not seeing Laxus destroying a city with a punch

She only speaks a possibility, she still managed to beat him before, and even one shot him. Erza was able to stand on her feet and be comparable to one of the 10 WSs, something Natsu wasn’t able to challenge at his station without power or circumstances.

Before the start of series, Natsu was even matching her in lyon arc and even if she was holding back Natsu also wasn't emotionally boosted like he was against Laxus. And Erza was stronger than Siegrain who is just half of Jellal but still stronger than the tenth WS Jura, so Natsu also should be stronger than both Siegrain and pre-ts Jura at least at his peak, it's not like Erza foes like Midnight and Azuma also weren't at this tier, people who could match Erza were WS tier, though Natsu rivals not as his power fluctuates a lot.

Of course not since this is the biggest fight of their lives (apart from Zeref, Acno and DGs) but as Wendy boosted Erza’s stats with Irene’s enchantments because her power at the time was superior to Irene’s using Wendy’s full potential. Yeah, Potential Wendy is already somewhat above Erza which her DF is below Potential Wendy seeing as DF could not beat Dimaria, makes sense.

Wendy using an injuried Irene body to boost Erza being superior to Irene's own boost is headcanon, but even if it's true this don't helps Ajeel nor Alvarez Erza being anywhere close to Laxus.

Again, Laxus like any wizard’s physical stats are proportional to their MP, if anything would give 2 times the power since it is close quarters. But no, he could not even damage wall physically. Slayers are not immune to physical damage as proven with Natsu punching himself, Laxus against post-Tenrou Natsu, Laxus hurting Orga in close quarters combat and Silver. That is the point, even without lightning Laxus should be able to hurt Wall with physical since it is x1 of x2 his power. The same goes for Wall which is a compliment to Laxus’ strength with magic. Their bodies have to be strong enough naturally to handle their magic power, it can’t be anything more than they can’t handle. That is an axiom of FT power system

Nothing of this matters if Ajeel is a one shot material for Laxus. The gap between Laxus physical damage and lightning damage is just that huge, and again Laxus won't destroy cities let alone countries with just his punches

 

[WoWfan]

The staves don’t increase his physical stats, just possess magic power to use spells, it was Knightwalker’s magic items that stated to increase her stats, Byro’s potions do that too with his octoform. The fact Mystogan became an S-Class Wizard with just his magic staffs and natural physical stats is something to be impressed. Immunity to Lightning, not physical strength, otherwise his proxy would not have been defeated, not so, it is just magic power, it is only Lightning magic if it involves dragon like properties like Natsu’s flame scales. It is called scaling for a reason, if he can produce the magic that can make such a nuke without blowing himself initially then his punches reach that level just fine. And after her trial, Erza knocked him out with one blow, that shows that Natsu has a long way to go. And Natsu was even amazed by Jura’s power when he fought against Brain, and Jura took the brunt of an explosion to save them, that would show Natsu is still weaker. Natsu won against Jellal because of an injury Erza gave and Etherion , and Jellal beat Erza through underhanded tactics and manipulation. Erza took hits from Azuma who had the power of Tenrou Island, something nothing to scoff at. The fact that Erza with Wendy’s boost could not split Irene’s head clean in twain when she was not fighting back at all just to transfer her persona to Wendy would show that Wendy’s boost alone is not a major factor, this doesn’t help that Laxus is anwhere close to Irene or August as well since he couldn’t harm Wall with physical power. There is no proof of that with how he couldn’t oneshot Wall too and since his physical stats scale to his magic then that throws Ajeel matter into doubt. Not really since biology is intertwined with the magic of wizards in Earthland, they have to be strong enough to withstand their own magic power.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

1) Fodderizing country level mages is better 2)Laxus as a proper dragon slayer would simply do better, would bet against Irene in a fight with any powerhouse dragon slayer. The DS enchant was not Erza's own power at Alvarez and nothing indicates that it was stronger than her Belserion Sword.



What are you talking ? He used it to one shot Wall I'm not even saying he got stronger, i think only Erza really got and thought he grew stronger just because she didn't knew about Red Lightning. Man, you just can't prove that they were close a year ago, beyond red lightning his base was already too strong for her and even spriggans like Ajeel were able of overpowering her.

Even the start of their fight don't denies the gap they had before, Laxus was far superior to Erza to the point of destroying her lightning armor and made her appeal to her enchantments. If they were close the lighnting armor wouldn't have been worthless, just look at the difference of elemental armors performance with Enny

Base Erza was relative to Enny and so her water armor gave her advantage against a fire dragon Enny, elemental armors aren't worthless if the mages are close in power. Without the enchantments she couldn't compete with Laxus and she hadn't those enchantments at Alvarez. If Kyria cut Erza's sword then she got the upper hand and you are acting like if Erza wasn't already using enchantments in both situations, Enchantmentless Erza never scared Kyria.



But he wasn't caught off guard to say he was open to an attack, he saw Laxus ship way before it got close

And he was literally preparing to attack the ship, look at the sand attack he is making while he looks to the ship

The Fairy Tail team was trying to scape through the ship and Ajeel didn't wanted to let them go and was going to attack the ship WHERE LAXUS WAS, he wasn't open, he was literally preparing an attack, it's just that Laxus counterattack was far greater.



The historias stalled a bunch of fodders and tired Erza, that's so impressive
I don't even give credit to Duke, but Neinhart didn't even created a 100% spriggan. And when the summons are circumstantial the summoner shouldn't be so glass cannon, Youko is strong by herself and has solid summons, is she stronger than Serena because of that ? This spriggan wank of equalizing them to BDSK would put her above the BDSK because she is solidly better than Neinhart




Kyria already wasn't a pure one shot for Laxus like Ajeel was, got a upper hand against Erza like Ajeel, Wall also is a one shot material that needed lightning immunity and tumor advantage to not be one shotted. Many spriggans are hax users buddy, and nothing would stop Kyria from using her hypnosis hax on them, but even in a pure physicals she can already match them



I already showed how Ajeel and Wall are no match for Kirin and now just by comparing Youko to Neinhart i would be able to say she is stronger than Neinhart and Misaki is stronger than her

You're stating that the "great probability" of defeating a regular Spriggan is a better feat than destroying the strongest spell of an elite Spriggan and cutting her dragon's body, an elite Spriggan that a regular Spriggan is no match for. You're basically wrong.

Laxu's destroying Erza's lightning armor doesn't change anything about her level, since she was hit multiple times without a defense armor and could keep fighting even after Laxus was in the Red Lightning Mode. I really don't understand the comparison between the elemental armors against Laxus and Eny, since Erza didn't use a fire armor against Eny; instead, she used a water armor, which possesses an advantage against fire. You're also lying that Erza only kept with Laxus because of enchantments, once that manga showed her keeping with him in physical combat, and that the Tenrin Armor could also counter his lightning lances. Once more, you are lying: Erza proved to have SPEED, ENDURANCE, and STRENGTH to be a challenge to Laxus in his strongest mode, even while she used regular armor (Tenrin Armor). The enchantment swords were just stronger swords; they didn't change Erza's physical status.

Ajeel was open because he got scared. Emotion is also a way to be open in a fight. Again: this is Fairy Tail.
Neinhart didn't create one Historia of Spriggan with 100% of its strength, because he was maintaining the summon of 3 Spriggans. Younkou was fighting in a world where wizards have 3 times more magical power than they have in Earthland, so every Spriggan would be stronger in this world, too. Younkou isn't stronger than the Spriggans.

Laxus didn't even bother to use a big spell against Kiria as he did to "almost kill Ajeel"; please, stop acting like the spell used against Ajell was trivial, like kicks and punches. Kiria, considering just her offense, is below Brandish, Dimaria, God Serena, August, Larcade, Irene, Wahl, Invel, ie, most all of the Spriggans. But, as I already said before, her charming spell can defeat stronger wizards than her, which means that she can defeat the BDSK with it, too. The fact that Kiria can defeat stronger wizards than her doesn't change anything about the fact that Spriggans are a match for BDSK. Spriggans are still relevant in power because the author valorized their strength during the 100 Years Quest (with Brandish, Irene, and God Serena).

 

[GodSlayer666]

ou're stating that the "great probability" of defeating a regular Spriggan is a better feat than destroying the strongest spell of an elite Spriggan and cutting her dragon's body, an elite Spriggan that a regular Spriggan is no match for. You're basically wrong.

Even her dragon stats were better than this meteor, she broke Erza bones and was confident that Erza would be unable to harm her even after destroying her meteor, and she only cut her dragon body with slayer advantage. Erza being overwhelmed by Ajeel at Alvarez is a fact, Erza getting no real power up to changer her power dynamic in the fight against Irene is also a fact. What Erza got in Irene fight was stats boosts via Wendy enchantments and an emotional amp in the end, nothing of this changes her power dynamic and were what made her beat Irene. She was both boosted by emotions and by Irene own enchantment as Wendy used it when she destroyed the meteor, neither a feat that she could replicate in Alvarez setting and still not something that impressive if all spriggans are country level. If the only thing you had to wank Erza is the Irene fight then you have nothing.

Laxu's destroying Erza's lightning armor doesn't change anything about her level, since she was hit multiple times without a defense armor and could keep fighting even after Laxus was in the Red Lightning Mode. I really don't understand the comparison between the elemental armors against Laxus and Eny, since Erza didn't use a fire armor against Eny; instead, she used a water armor, which possesses an advantage against fire. You're also lying that Erza only kept with Laxus because of enchantments, once that manga showed her keeping with him in physical combat, and that the Tenrin Armor could also counter his lightning lances. Once more, you are lying: Erza proved to have SPEED, ENDURANCE, and STRENGTH to be a challenge to Laxus in his strongest mode, even while she used regular armor (Tenrin Armor). The enchantment swords were just stronger swords; they didn't change Erza's physical status.

She could keep with him after being boosted by her own enchantments. If water armor has elemental advantage against fire it can also resist fire based attacks. Show me Erza fighting equally with Laxus before the use of enchantments, anything she did was after that, she was already buffed with them and even she wasn't using enchanted swords in the end of the fight.

Ajeel was open because he got scared. Emotion is also a way to be open in a fight. Again: this is Fairy Tail

You coped so hard here you are just pushing the spriggan agenda

Neinhart didn't create one Historia of Spriggan with 100% of its strength, because he was maintaining the summon of 3 Spriggans. Younkou was fighting in a world where wizards have 3 times more magical power than they have in Earthland, so every Spriggan would be stronger in this world, too. Younkou isn't stronger than the Spriggans.

Still no proof that he can summon a 100% spriggan. Youko uses spiritual arts, not magical power buddyThe one with the advantage was Erza, and what happened ? The yokais stalled Natsu team while Youko hold her own against Erza even getting the upper hand against her red pants, in contrast Neinhart got one shotted by Jellal and even while enchanted got one shotted by Natsu. She is not a glass cannon summoner and her summons are limitless and not restricted by who is dead or not, i challange you to prove that Fodderheart is stronger than Youko.

Laxus didn't even bother to use a big spell against Kiria as he did to "almost kill Ajeel"; please, stop acting like the spell used against Ajell was trivial, like kicks and punches. Kiria, considering just her offense, is below Brandish, Dimaria, God Serena, August, Larcade, Irene, Wahl, Invel, ie, most all of the Spriggans. But, as I already said before, her charming spell can defeat stronger wizards than her, which means that she can defeat the BDSK with it, too. The fact that Kiria can defeat stronger wizards than her doesn't change anything about the fact that Spriggans are a match for BDSK. Spriggans are still relevant in power because the author valorized their strength during the 100 Years Quest (with Brandish, Irene, and God Serena).

It was still just one spell. Her offense is not below them except the top spriggans, Dimaria is even a time stop merchant whose offensive power shouldn't be above Bluenote, Brandish can't leech the feats of people she gigantifies beyond the likes of Jacob and Fodderheart whose offensive power is below avarage spriggans. Keep coping but you are still unable to change the fact that Kirin is far above Wall and Ajeel. Irene is a top spriggan despite her anti-feats, God Serena is BDSK level, and if spriggans like Brandish are relevant is because we still have fodder enemies like the alchemy dolls, oracion sechs and Fire and Flame, not because she is specially strong.

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The staves don’t increase his physical stats, just possess magic power to use spells, it was Knightwalker’s magic items that stated to increase her stats, Byro’s potions do that too with his octoform. The fact Mystogan became an S-Class Wizard with just his magic staffs and natural physical stats is something to be impressed. Immunity to Lightning, not physical strength, otherwise his proxy would not have been defeated, not so, it is just magic power, it is only Lightning magic if it involves dragon like properties like Natsu’s flame scales. It is called scaling for a reason, if he can produce the magic that can make such a nuke without blowing himself initially then his punches reach that level just fine. And after her trial, Erza knocked him out with one blow, that shows that Natsu has a long way to go. And Natsu was even amazed by Jura’s power when he fought against Brain, and Jura took the brunt of an explosion to save them, that would show Natsu is still weaker. Natsu won against Jellal because of an injury Erza gave and Etherion , and Jellal beat Erza through underhanded tactics and manipulation. Erza took hits from Azuma who had the power of Tenrou Island, something nothing to scoff at. The fact that Erza with Wendy’s boost could not split Irene’s head clean in twain when she was not fighting back at all just to transfer her persona to Wendy would show that Wendy’s boost alone is not a major factor, this doesn’t help that Laxus is anwhere close to Irene or August as well since he couldn’t harm Wall with physical power. There is no proof of that with how he couldn’t oneshot Wall too and since his physical stats scale to his magic then that throws Ajeel matter into doubt. Not really since biology is intertwined with the magic of wizards in Earthland, they have to be strong enough to withstand their own magic power.

Nothing of this proves that staveless Mystogan is not several tiers below himself with staves. Natsu long way to grow is keep his emotional peak as it's standard power level. Bullying Brain was no big deal, wanna see him doing that to a Erza tier opponent. Natsu did most of the work against Laxus as Gajeel barely did damage if any damage at all in Laxus, so with Gajeel little help and the waste of magic power via Fairy Law Natsu defeated Laxus, so even at his peak he is a tier below Laxus but posed a threat like Erza, the difference is that Erza is normally at this tier while Natsu needs emotion amp. Jellal beating Erza there does not upscale Jellal, but his fight with Dragon Force Natsu does, he could have defeated DF Natsu without Erza injury while DF Natsu later defeated Zero on his own.
The proof of Laxus being able of one shotting Wall is the spriggan scaling, if most of them are relatives to each other then Laxus being able of one shotting ajeel makes him able of one shotting Brandish, Dimaria, Jacob and the weakest spriggan Wall as long as there is no immunity, that's how scaling works so it's meaningless to wank Wall if he had lightning immunity. Laxus only got to Irene and August level in 100YQ, though Irene always was vulnerable to dragon slayers like him.

 

[WoWfan]

Yes it does as Mystogan tanked Laxus’ lightning attacks. Human biology in Edolas =\= Earthlands where the latter is dependent on magic for physical stats. In fact, non-magic Natsu is weaker than magic Lucy at the time since Lucy could restrain Octopus Byro and no-magic Natsu gets restrained by Edolas people and runs away from a moderately big Frog. Perhaps not for Brian but that doesn’t change the fact that Natsu was amazed by Jura’s power and required him to take an explosion for the FT wizards. Gajeel took hits from angry Laxus and was fine, even taking a spell that would kill Natsu. Sure he wasted the magic on FL, but he was still dodging Gajeel’s attacks unless they can hurt him, and honestly for the better because it would have likely killed him since the more people targeted would harm the caster. Jellal beat Erza via manipulation and prep time, plus Erza was tired from her previous battle with Ikaruga. That upscale Erza too since Jellal did not win in a fair fight. That DF was much stronger than it was in the ToH and has social properties to burn away existential magic. Supposedly oneshot as that is up for debate as Erza scales close to Laxus at the time too. And since his physical strikes can’t hurt Wall which scales to his lightning magic then I doubt it is a straight forward fight like that. That is the axiom of FT power system, physical stats for Earthland magic users are determined by their MP, no better example of this is Guttman’s Rupture Magic which swell’s a target’s magic inside their body till it damages them. Slayers need MP to make their slayer attribute anything meaningful which Erza gained from Irene enchantment amp and POF and flame pants sword.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Yes it does as Mystogan tanked Laxus’ lightning attacks. Human biology in Edolas =\= Earthlands where the latter is dependent on magic for physical stats. In fact, non-magic Natsu is weaker than magic Lucy at the time since Lucy could restrain Octopus Byro and no-magic Natsu gets restrained by Edolas people and runs away from a moderately big Frog. Perhaps not for Brian but that doesn’t change the fact that Natsu was amazed by Jura’s power and required him to take an explosion for the FT wizards. Gajeel took hits from angry Laxus and was fine, even taking a spell that would kill Natsu. Sure he wasted the magic on FL, but he was still dodging Gajeel’s attacks unless they can hurt him, and honestly for the better because it would have likely killed him since the more people targeted would harm the caster. Jellal beat Erza via manipulation and prep time, plus Erza was tired from her previous battle with Ikaruga. That upscale Erza too since Jellal did not win in a fair fight. That DF was much stronger than it was in the ToH and has social properties to burn away existential magic. Supposedly oneshot as that is up for debate as Erza scales close to Laxus at the time too. And since his physical strikes can’t hurt Wall which scales to his lightning magic then I doubt it is a straight forward fight like that. That is the axiom of FT power system, physical stats for Earthland magic users are determined by their MP, no better example of this is Guttman’s Rupture Magic which swell’s a target’s magic inside their body till it damages them. Slayers need MP to make their slayer attribute anything meaningful which Erza gained from Irene enchantment amp and POF and flame pants sword.

It was just a theater with magicless Mystogan, no matter how much you wank Mystogan stats, nobody is truly relevant without magic. Jura tooking an explosion don't rank up in WS.

Natsu was already fighting Laxus before Gajeel appeared and even with his backup Laxus mocked their combined efforts

And after just one lightning dragon slayer attack Gajeel was basically done, he didn't fought after that and just got up to become a lightning rod due to his metallic physiology, he survived because of this, not because that he was strong enough to survive but due to the nature of his magic

If Jellal only had Erza fight i admit that he would be as cooked as Neinhart, but he also has Jura and DF Natsu scaling and Erza does not scale to DF Natsu. There is no supposed one shot, it's just spriggan agenda, you were giving credit to Makarov confidence on Erza beating Laxus when even Natsu did the job while disregards August confirming the one shot, Ajeel proves that Erza was anywhere near Laxus rest is agenda.

 

[WoWfan]

Only partly theatrical where Natsu doesn’t hold back. You are trying to equalize Edolas and Earthland rules when they are not compatible. Whatever physical stats Edolas humans have are their own while Earthland magic users are tied to their MP. It downgrades Natsu tho since he wouldn’t tank it, that is the point. Of course he can tank it because his MP is greater. Gajeel was just recovering like Natsu because he had enough strength to take an attack that can kill Natsu who is stronger than Gajeel, making Laxus downgrade more. Natsu is stronger than Gajeel’s Metal yet was you got g to die from that attack, so Gajeel is stronger then? Proof of that? Because Erza is stated to be equivalent to one of the 10 WSs and since Jura was 10th, heck even Ur is considered WS level too, Erza would either scale or is stronger. The difference is Makarov is straight forward with his possibility comparison where as August is vague with not even a comparison at all as he said possibly cry if Ajeel perished which he does not for any other so his claim is in question.

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Even her dragon stats were better than this meteor, she broke Erza bones and was confident that Erza would be unable to harm her even after destroying her meteor, and she only cut her dragon body with slayer advantage. Erza being overwhelmed by Ajeel at Alvarez is a fact, Erza getting no real power up to changer her power dynamic in the fight against Irene is also a fact. What Erza got in Irene fight was stats boosts via Wendy enchantments and an emotional amp in the end, nothing of this changes her power dynamic and were what made her beat Irene. She was both boosted by emotions and by Irene own enchantment as Wendy used it when she destroyed the meteor, neither a feat that she could replicate in Alvarez setting and still not something that impressive if all spriggans are country level. If the only thing you had to wank Erza is the Irene fight then you have nothing.

And Erza cut this "dragon's stats" in half after gaining the dragon slayer factor, which Laxus already had, and didn't do anything like that in the arc. It's a fact that the Deus Senma and the dragon body are stronger than anything that Laxus damaged in the Alvarez arc, so it's a fact that Erza already possessed better feats than him in this arc (if we are considering only feats). And the fact that you don't like it (and are trying to create excuses about it) doesn't change the fact that Erza was portrayed as being strong enough to sustain a fight with Laxus back then, since her endurance and her strength proved that she can do it.

She could keep up with him after being boosted by her own enchantments. If water armor has elemental advantage against fire it can also resist fire based attacks. Show me Erza fighting equally with Laxus before the use of enchantments, anything she did was after that, she was already buffed with them and even she wasn't using enchanted swords in the end of the fight.

This argument fails in basic logic: Laxus bosteed himself with Red Lightning Mode right after seeing that Erza was using a sword with Dragon Slayer factor, so he was the one who boosted himself to "adjust" to her level, and not the contrary. If he needed a new power to deal with her new power, why wouldn't they be close when neither of them had these powers? Where does it say that Erza has enhanced his power significantly after using the enchantment swords? Because I can show her from one year ago defending with her bare hands two of the enchantment's powers that she used against Laxus:

As I said, Erza proved to have the physical status (SPEED, ENDURANCE, and STRENGTH) to be a challenge to enhanced Laxus, and that happened even when she didn't hit him with the enchanted swords:

The water armor turns fire magic weaker and damages more fire wizards than other elements; the lightning armor, instead, has resistance against lightning, so both armors didn't affect Erza's foe in the same way. Besides that, Laxus and Eny don't possess the same strength, so "what is your point"? Laxus is strong enough to easily break an armor resistant to lightning, but Erza's "naked" body can tank his strength for quite some time, so what?

You coped so hard here you are just pushing the spriggan agenda




Still no proof that he can summon a 100% spriggan. Youko uses spiritual arts, not magical power buddyThe one with the advantage was Erza, and what happened ? The yokais stalled Natsu team while Youko hold her own against Erza even getting the upper hand against her red pants, in contrast Neinhart got one shotted by Jellal and even while enchanted got one shotted by Natsu. She is not a glass cannon summoner and her summons are limitless and not restricted by who is dead or not, i challange you to prove that Fodderheart is stronger than Youko.

Team Natsu was also using spiritual arts after getting enchanted by Wendy, and that doesn't change my argument: the Spriggans would get stronger in Elentir.
Honestly, keeping the Team Natsu busy by creating minions constantly isn't something beyond what Neinhart did in the Hargeon Port (his Historias fought Gray, Lyon, Juvia, Meredy, Laxus, Wendy, Erza) all the same time. What are Youkou's combat skills (which are just good to pressure casual Erza) against Dimaria's stopped time? Brandish's instantaneous mass manipulation (which can make her shrink an entire city easily)? Invel's freezing range capacity? Ajeel's covering a city with sand and creating a sand tsunami capable of killing anything touched by it? Younkou's magic is no challenge to Spriggans.

It was still just one spell. Her offense is not below them except the top spriggans, Dimaria is even a time stop merchant whose offensive power shouldn't be above Bluenote, Brandish can't leech the feats of people she gigantifies beyond the likes of Jacob and Fodderheart whose offensive power is below avarage spriggans. Keep coping but you are still unable to change the fact that Kirin is far above Wall and Ajeel. Irene is a top spriggan despite her anti-feats, God Serena is BDSK level, and if spriggans like Brandish are relevant is because we still have fodder enemies like the alchemy dolls, oracion sechs and Fire and Flame, not because she is specially strong.

Dimaria with God Soul needed the third origin of power + god slayer factor to be defeated in this form, which is far better than getting kicked and punched by base Laxus without him putting any effort. Brandish, as I said before, easily shrunk an entire town and held it in her hands. I pity what she can do to Kiria if she enlarges herself to 1/4 of Adoron's size, and I also pity what Misaki's dimension would suffer against Brandish's magic. Wall fought better than Kiria against Laxus' physical strength, and Laxus enhanced his strength with speed to attack Wall, but he didn't cause any damage, and he didn't need to do so to subdue Kiria.

Kirin, Misaki, and Suzaku are strong. But mostly of the Spriggans can fight them.

 

[Darklord#10]

Kirin, Misaki, and Suzaku are strong. But mostly of the Spriggans can fight them.

Hahaha . Suzaku destroyed natsu and Erza in 1 nano second. There's no spriggan twelve member that is one shotting natsu and Erza together and no hax involved

 

[WoWfan]

Yet they (Diabolos) all got no sold collectively by a Dragon God and haven’t been doing anything since. LOL

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

Hahaha . Suzaku destroyed natsu and Erza in 1 nano second. There's no spriggan twelve member that is one shotting natsu and Erza together and no hax involved

Natsu and Erza were "opened". Honestly, by this logic, Marin (Brandish's soldier) >> Erza.

 

[GodSlayer666]

And Erza cut this "dragon's stats" in half after gaining the dragon slayer factor, which Laxus already had, and didn't do anything like that in the arc. It's a fact that the Deus Senma and the dragon body are stronger than anything that Laxus damaged in the Alvarez arc, so it's a fact that Erza already possessed better feats than him in this arc (if we are considering only feats). And the fact that you don't like it (and are trying to create excuses about it) doesn't change the fact that Erza was portrayed as being strong enough to sustain a fight with Laxus back then, since her endurance and her strength proved that she can do it.

This just means that Laxus would beat her. Deus Sema just need to be stronger than the Sema Jellal used against Oracion Seis. The moment Erza got overpowered by Ajeel and got no solid power up to fight Irene she turned Irene into a jobber and downscaled the meteor, fighting a top spriggan is not good for you if was overpowered by a weaker spriggan earlier, it's an anti-feat for the top spriggan. She never sustained any fight with Laxus at Alvarez.

Showing Erza WITH ENCHANTMENTS fighting Laxus don't helps your point, she needed Wendy to have any enchantment back at Alvarez

The water armor turns fire magic weaker and damages more fire wizards than other elements; the lightning armor, instead, has resistance against lightning, so both armors didn't affect Erza's foe in the same way. Besides that, Laxus and Eny don't possess the same strength, so "what is your point"? Laxus is strong enough to easily break an armor resistant to lightning, but Erza's "naked" body can tank his strength for quite some time, so what?

She literally countered Juvia water body with this armor, elemental armors are good against the elements they counter and the same element

My point is precisely because Enny and Laxus don't have the same strength. Enny who was relative to Base Erza got easily defeated by the elemental armor while Laxus one shotted her elemental armor. If Erza was Laxus level since Alvarez the lightning armor wouldn't have been one shotted and she may even have get the upper hand against him, but to stalemate him she needed enchantments that she didn't had at Alvarez.

Team Natsu was also using spiritual arts after getting enchanted by Wendy, and that doesn't change my argument: the Spriggans would get stronger in Elentir.
Honestly, keeping the Team Natsu busy by creating minions constantly isn't something beyond what Neinhart did in the Hargeon Port (his Historias fought Gray, Lyon, Juvia, Meredy, Laxus, Wendy, Erza) all the same time. What are Youkou's combat skills (which are just good to pressure casual Erza) against Dimaria's stopped time? Brandish's instantaneous mass manipulation (which can make her shrink an entire city easily)? Invel's freezing range capacity? Ajeel's covering a city with sand and creating a sand tsunami capable of killing anything touched by it? Younkou's magic is no challenge to Spriggans.

Neinhart already got stronger with Irene and was still one shotted by Natsu. Keeping NATSU busy is a big deal, dude was one shotting spriggans like Neinhart himself at Alvarez, most people in Hargeon Port were fodders. Dimaria time stop shouldn't work even on Enchanted Neinhart just like Brandish as END showed that higher power bypasses it, and someone who can pressure 100YQ Erza should at least have Enchanted Neinhart level of spiritual arts power. Invel is a Hakune victim, Ajeel is one of the weaker spriggans. Youko spiritual arts are much superior to Neinhart and most spriggans.

Dimaria with God Soul needed the third origin of power + god slayer factor to be defeated in this form, which is far better than getting kicked and punched by base Laxus without him putting any effort. Brandish, as I said before, easily shrunk an entire town and held it in her hands. I pity what she can do to Kiria if she enlarges herself to 1/4 of Adoron's size, and I also pity what Misaki's dimension would suffer against Brandish's magic. Wall fought better than Kiria against Laxus' physical strength, and Laxus enhanced his strength with speed to attack Wall, but he didn't cause any damage, and he didn't need to do so to subdue Kiria.

This God Soul wasn't even overpowering the two girls like Bluenote was doing, they needed all this advantage because they were fodders, the END who stalemated Gray don't needed nothing. Brandish may be stronger than Kyria but not a big margin, if she enlarges herself she is just a big target for Kyria. A Gildarts level mage like Misaki is immune to Brandish hax, no one will buy that Brandish can affect Misaki if she couldn't even affect Fodderheart. Wall: Give me lightning immunity, give Laxus a magic tumor or i retire.

Kirin, Misaki, and Suzaku are strong. But mostly of the Spriggans can fight them.

Suzaku one shotted Erza when not even Dragon Irene did that, neither Misaki could K.O. Erza and she is above the regular spriggans, let alone some Ajeel level fodders who would be one shotted by BASE Laxus, Kirin and Misaki are stronger than Base Laxus. You saying that the fodder 12 can fight them don't make it true

Natsu and Erza were opened. Honestly, by this logic, Marin >> Erza.

If she was able to react then she objectively CAN'T BE OPEN, Suzaku one shotted her fair and square. And Natsu was enraged and about to fight him how the heck he was open ? This being opened thing is your worst cope, all characters were clearly not open, Gray even confirmed that Suzaku was a tier above Natsu and Erza

 

[Jhonatas Fernandes]

This just means that Laxus would beat her. Deus Sema just need to be stronger than the Sema Jellal used against Oracion Seis. The moment Erza got overpowered by Ajeel and got no solid power up to fight Irene she turned Irene into a jobber and downscaled the meteor, fighting a top spriggan is not good for you if was overpowered by a weaker spriggan earlier, it's an anti-feat for the top spriggan. She never sustained any fight with Laxus at Alvarez.

Showing Erza WITH ENCHANTMENTS fighting Laxus don't helps your point, she needed Wendy to have any enchantment back at Alvarez



She literally countered Juvia water body with this armor, elemental armors are good against the elements they counter and the same element

My point is precisely because Enny and Laxus don't have the same strength. Enny who was relative to Base Erza got easily defeated by the elemental armor while Laxus one shotted her elemental armor. If Erza was Laxus level since Alvarez the lightning armor wouldn't have been one shotted and she may even have get the upper hand against him, but to stalemate him she needed enchantments that she didn't had at Alvarez.



Neinhart already got stronger with Irene and was still one shotted by Natsu. Keeping NATSU busy is a big deal, dude was one shotting spriggans like Neinhart himself at Alvarez, most people in Hargeon Port were fodders. Dimaria time stop shouldn't work even on Enchanted Neinhart just like Brandish as END showed that higher power bypasses it, and someone who can pressure 100YQ Erza should at least have Enchanted Neinhart level of spiritual arts power. Invel is a Hakune victim, Ajeel is one of the weaker spriggans. Youko spiritual arts are much superior to Neinhart and most spriggans.



This God Soul wasn't even overpowering the two girls like Bluenote was doing, they needed all this advantage because they were fodders, the END who stalemated Gray don't needed nothing. Brandish may be stronger than Kyria but not a big margin, if she enlarges herself she is just a big target for Kyria. A Gildarts level mage like Misaki is immune to Brandish hax, no one will buy that Brandish can affect Misaki if she couldn't even affect Fodderheart. Wall: Give me lightning immunity, give Laxus a magic tumor or i retire.



Suzaku one shotted Erza when not even Dragon Irene did that, neither Misaki could K.O. Erza and she is above the regular spriggans, let alone some Ajeel level fodders who would be one shotted by BASE Laxus, Kirin and Misaki are stronger than Base Laxus. You saying that the fodder 12 can fight them don't make it true

If she was able to react then she objectively CAN'T BE OPEN, Suzaku one shotted her fair and square. And Natsu was enraged and about to fight him how the heck he was open ? This being opened thing is your worst cope, all characters were clearly not open, Gray even confirmed that Suzaku was a tier above Natsu and Erza

I'm tired of this discussion about Erza and Laxus' level and the Spriggan level because you clearly ignore the manga's context in order to demote the Spriggan group. And I think that I was already clear about what I was defending.

What happened with Erza and Natsu against Suzaku is that the Fairy Tail wizards challenged him with their casual levels, while Suzaku would only be dealt with if they were prepared to fight someone who needed their peak.
Suzaku is strong, and he can one-shot any Spriggan who isn't prepared to fight him; however, what you don't count on is that the Spriggans with application magic can subdue him with their power quite fast if they are prepared, and some of them, like Irene and August, have already proved to be able to keep fighting even with serious wounds.
Misaki is at least as strong as Suzaku, and Erza fought her and "won", which proves that Suzaku wouldn't be able to defeat Erza if she were more prepared to fight.

 

[Darklord#10]

Suzaku can one shot literally any spriggan with maybe the exception being August not becauseAugusto is stronger than Eileen. The reason why Suzaku is a horrible match up for Eileen is two things. Eileen is a certified jobber and Suzaku isn't going to be playing around, all he needs is one swing and Eileen is gone. He's definitely faster than her that's for sure. All s12 are literally jobbers and suzaku isn't, he's not going to "play with prey". Same with misaki.

Natsu and Erza were "opened". Honestly, by this logic, Marin (Brandish's soldier) >> Erza.

no hax involved

I literally said no hax involved can you even read at all? With hax kyria can one shot erza and laxus something she actually did lmao can't say the same for any spriggan.

Also you literally said that natsu and erza were open but @GodSlayer666 baked you on that point with actual manga panels and you can't address that.

You see the difference between normal fans and spriggan fans is we actually post manga feats to back-up our claim while you guys live in lala land no featsand just vibes. If I ask you to show me spriggan 12 who can one shot natsu and erza together you can't

 

[Ratrace]

Suzaku can one shot literally any spriggan with maybe the exception being August

Ajeel might last a little longer because of Suzaku being at a disadvantage unless his sword has a special able that counters Ajeel magic