Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[WoWfan]

Of course it’s worth it, example, if a person takes damage from a water attack but are resistant to the wet attribute, there is no clear risk or lose.

I thought that was mostly just slayers

We can look at it like this, with Gray as an Ice wizard, he is trained to tolerate the cold, but is harmed by other ice magic users, Lyon, Ultear and Silver.

After becoming a Demon Slayer, he became all but immune to Ice attacks in general. The only way to affect him is if the Ice has special abilities that the slayer doesn’t have resistance to or bypasses explicitly like Invel’s Ice Armor.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Of course it’s worth it, example, if a person takes damage from a water attack but are resistant to the wet attribute, there is no clear risk or lose.

Despite being slandered by Mashima, Wall has a pretty versatile arsenal, many options to use and he is gonna waste energy with an attack that can be resisted ? Think about playing pokemon using types against pokemon that resist your type instead of at least using types that have neutral effectivity. Wall situation was different from Invel who only has freeze to use on Gray, he had many kinds of magic and even alchemy to use on Laxus. An lightning attack is no efficient, and no worth it

 

[WoWfan]

Most villains get slandered in the series. His analysis can be overtaxed with too much info, like Ichiya. Lightning users can resist being shocked, not the damage itself, that is a slayer ability which Wall had no info on. Invel had the advantage of superior stats and magic before Gray used his darkness, and Invel’s trump card that freezes in-spite of ice resistance was outdone by Gray’s make magic.

 

[GodSlayer666]

Most villains get slandered in the series. His analysis can be overtaxed with too much info, like Ichiya. Lightning users can resist being shocked, not the damage itself, that is a slayer ability which Wall had no info on. Invel had the advantage of superior stats and magic before Gray used his darkness, and Invel’s trump card that freezes in-spite of ice resistance was outdone by Gray’s make magic.

Did you read what i written? Using an attack that a lightning user can resist is not better than using an attack he has no kind of resistance, it doesnt matter if it damage, it’s not efficient and not worth it. Invel wouldnt keep using freeze if he had an arsenal with different kinds of magic.

 

[WoWfan]

It does, like i can be shocked from static electricity but not get damage from it yet you still feel it, however with actual devastating lightning can cause actual damage such as searing and blast force, there is more than one danger to any attack Not just damage. He does though, mind control as well.

 

[aymen24]

Alright, Mashima said again that the power balance in Fairy tail doesn't change much, which means he is still avoiding power creep....

This is from Mashima's space today on Twitter

Spoiler: .....

 

[Tirl]

Alright, Mashima said again that the power balance in Fairy tail doesn't change much, which means he is still avoiding power creep....

I think we already knew that just from the manga itself, its not a big deal. For me a more important question is the power lvl of the enemies. We know nothing changes in the guild. But thats insanely strange and meaningless when random new enemies are just much stronger than most of the previous ones. So far only spriggans have some kind of recognition. And Im kinda sad for other characters like Balam Alliance, who are pretty much trash now no matter alive or dead. That usually happens in many stories and imo that is bad, when good guys are constantly growing in power while bad guys aren't.

 

[Ronin31]

Alright, Mashima said again that the power balance in Fairy tail doesn't change much, which means he is still avoiding power creep....

This is from Mashima's space today on Twitter

Spoiler: .....

How can it be when the current showcase is showing Natsu's new mode stronger than a Dragon God ?
It looks like stronger than a combine Erza, Laxus and Gildarts all together. Is it also a temporary mode he will loose at the end ?

 

[WoWfan]

I think we already knew that just from the manga itself, its not a big deal. For me a more important question is the power lvl of the enemies. We know nothing changes in the guild. But thats insanely strange and meaningless when random new enemies are just much stronger than most of the previous ones. So far only spriggans have some kind of recognition. And Im kinda sad for other characters like Balam Alliance, who are pretty much trash now no matter alive or dead. That usually happens in many stories and imo that is bad, when good guys are constantly growing in power while bad guys aren't.

I think it is important to look at those comparisons even around the end of the sequel series itself to determine where those characters that appear stand. For characters from the first series that are able to perform feats would show how they stack up.

And it is like I said for a while now, power is important but what matters is circumstances in a fight too.

 

[aymen24]

How can it be when the current showcase is showing Natsu's new mode stronger than a Dragon God ?
It looks like stronger than a combine Erza, Laxus and Gildarts all together. Is it also a temporary mode he will loose at the end ?

"There are times when Natsu becomes very strong due to 'protagonist buffs' or the power of friendship and emotions, but fundamentally—as a fixed definition—Natsu cannot beat Laxus in a one-on-one fight. He also cannot beat Gildarts one-on-one, and he cannot beat Erza. That is the definition I've set"


Focus on what he said, it's clear he's only counting the base, not the temporary buffs.

 

[Darklord#10]

"There are times when Natsu becomes very strong due to 'protagonist buffs' or the power of friendship and emotions, but fundamentally—as a fixed definition—Natsu cannot beat Laxus in a one-on-one fight. He also cannot beat Gildarts one-on-one, and he cannot beat Erza. That is the definition I've set"


Focus on what he said, it's clear he's only counting the base, not the temporary buffs.

@Fairies Flame @Shoutmon seems like no progress for natsu. He's stuck at gray level forever .

 

[WoWfan]

"There are times when Natsu becomes very strong due to 'protagonist buffs' or the power of friendship and emotions, but fundamentally—as a fixed definition—Natsu cannot beat Laxus in a one-on-one fight. He also cannot beat Gildarts one-on-one, and he cannot beat Erza. That is the definition I've set"


Focus on what he said, it's clear he's only counting the base, not the temporary buffs.

I think that counts for any form, not just base, power of feelings applies to other characters not just him. So yeah, without any external power ups or PoFs is pretty much the set axiom in Hiro’s work.

 

[Ronin31]

"There are times when Natsu becomes very strong due to 'protagonist buffs' or the power of friendship and emotions, but fundamentally—as a fixed definition—Natsu cannot beat Laxus in a one-on-one fight. He also cannot beat Gildarts one-on-one, and he cannot beat Erza. That is the definition I've set"


Focus on what he said, it's clear he's only counting the base, not the temporary buffs.

I agree for the temporary power boost when he eats an incredible power source like Etherion or Ignia's flame for exemple or enters Dragon Force with climax emotional state for a short moment for the sake of his friends, but Natsu's current power-up or new Mode is not an emotional state and looks like to be permanent right now. Is this mode temporary ?

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@Fairies Flame @Shoutmon seems like no progress for natsu. He's stuck at gray level forever .

I think that counts for any form, not just base, power of feelings applies to other characters not just him. So yeah, without any external power ups or PoFs is pretty much the set axiom in Hiro’s work.

How can it be with his current new mode ? Ok it was an external "gift" but it looks like a permanent power-up and even Laxus himself prised his incredible magic power level, even before his DF new version when he fought Ignia and Faris. Did I misunderstood something ? Isn't it a permanent strength ? If so, Natsu can't be below the monster Trio with his new permanent strength.

 

[GodSlayer666]

I can understand Natsu being weaker than Gildarts, Laxus and Erza till Elentir, but at Labyrinth he should have surpassed them all or at least equalized Laxus. Maybe Hiro didnt considered FDK scales as he don’t plans to use it again despite not being truly a temporary buff and technically Natsu can use it again. So disregsrding FDK scales i also can understand the statement till Gold Owl, just need to consider DF a special buff too. But with the current arc it becomes impossible to conciliate.

Forget the Igneel mode, it’s directly stated to be temporary, i’m talking about how Natsu folded Wed. It’s impossible to not rank him above Gildarts after that. He necessarily needs to appear again to not be powercreeped. Gray feat with Viernes is safe as it was a temporary buff, but Natsu used no special buff against Wed. Current arc must be an exception for the statement

 

[WoWfan]

I agree for the temporary power boost when he eats an incredible power source like Etherion or Ignia's flame for exemple or enters Dragon Force with climax emotional state for a short moment for the sake of his friends, but Natsu's current power-up or new Mode is not an emotional state and looks like to be permanent right now. Is this mode temporary ?

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How can it be with his current new mode ? Ok it was an external "gift" but it looks like a permanent power-up and even Laxus himself prised his incredible magic power level, even before his DF new version when he fought Ignia and Faris. Did I misunderstood something ? Isn't it a permanent strength ? If so, Natsu can't be below the monster Trio with his new permanent strength.

from What Faris said that it a temporary strength as that is the residual magic like he used from when he fought Zeref (his tattoos are the same), only this time is stronger as he merged his flames with Igneel’s. that could just be a combo of FDKM and DF with Igneel’s Fire. That strength likely ended when his tattoo vanished.

 

[Fairies Flame]

@Fairies Flame @Shoutmon seems like no progress for natsu. He's stuck at gray level forever .

I don’t listen to WOG statement feats from an unofficial interview. Creator can say anything, but it doesn’t always relate to power levels because a lot of creators say stuff but don’t say specifically about power levels.

This is similar to listening to artist or creator statements in Ben 10. But failed to reveal any capabilities.

 

[GodSlayer666]

"There are times when Natsu becomes very strong due to 'protagonist buffs' or the power of friendship and emotions, but fundamentally—as a fixed definition—Natsu cannot beat Laxus in a one-on-one fight. He also cannot beat Gildarts one-on-one, and he cannot beat Erza. That is the definition I've set"

I think i finally solved the mystery. Maybe everyone here including me overreacted, as it's not something new, he also said that Laxus was 1000 and buffless Natsu was 600 before. The secret lies on protagonist buffs. These buffs don't even need to be temporary, actually the protagonist buffs don't even need to be uncommon.

Mashima is the kind of person who would say Goku is weaker than Majin Buu because he would disregards super saiyan forms as protagonist buffs, no matter how natural they are to Goku. So when Mashima says that Natsu is fixed as weaker than Erza, Gildarts and Laxus, he is talking about this Natsu

The Natsu who gets defeated by human Fire and Flame mages. This is the regular Natsu, notices that he is just using the basic Fire Dragon Slayer Magic here.
Even FDKM is a protagonist buff, actually since Alvarez it was considered a protagonist buff. When Hiro said that Laxus was 1000, buffless Natsu was 600, he said that Gray was also 600, but it was Standard Devil Slayer Gray and Base Natsu

You guys can check the chapter, no FDKM spell was used in their fight at avatar. FDKM already scaled above Gray and was considered a protagonist buff. If he was stronger or not than people like Laxus and Gildarts with that it's another story, but the form itself already don't needs to follow this fixed definition that Mashima put. For example i believe that Base Natsu was weaker than Erza, but with FDKM he was already stronger than her, but weaker than Laxus and Gildarts in the Alvarez context. In 100YQ the power dynamics of the protagonist buffs varied as they got stronger, even Erza leveled up to Laxus and Gildarts level, so the fixed definition with Base Natsu as weaker than them, remained, but his regular buffs being weaker or stronger than them varied.

This version of Natsu should be considered FDKM despite not having named attacks in this situation because of how strong he was. A protagonist mode at worst if you refuse to name it FDKM without a spell.

But what i mean is that, in the end of the day, the statement is meaningless as even LFDM can be regarded as a protagonist buff

 

[Shoutmon]

@Fairies Flame @Shoutmon seems like no progress for natsu. He's stuck at gray level forever .

Yeah the thing with Mashima is his statements are inconsistent. Didn't he say in an earlier space/interview that he didn't know who would win between Alverez arc Natsu and Laxus? Not to mention his latest power-up, which may or may not be permanent (I'm not putting a lot of weight into an off-hand remark from Faris) objectively puts him in a tier beyond all 3 of them combined.

I guess we'll just see how things go

 

[Garmadooon]

2026 and Mashima is still making statements like this about Natsu while him having more impressive feats in battles even without his power-ups? (Natsu vs. Weed, no external help or power here).

And you're still falling for this bait ? Come on guys, let's stop taking this so seriously. "Gray level," but even Gray should be stronger than them if we look at his feats.

I find it absurd to contradict himself so much in his statements but show the opposite in the manga's fights. Seriously, Mashima should lay off coke.

 

[WoWfan]

Yeah the thing with Mashima is his statements are inconsistent. Didn't he say in an earlier space/interview that he didn't know who would win between Alverez arc Natsu and Laxus? Not to mention his latest power-up, which may or may not be permanent (I'm not putting a lot of weight into an off-hand remark from Faris) objectively puts him in a tier beyond all 3 of them combined.

I guess we'll just see how things go

Hiro likely talking about Natsu without the Igneel Flames, Considering the power up comes from Igneel’s flames which is the same ones from Alvarez which is tied to his tattoo and that disappeared, I would suspect that to be the case.