Team Fairy Tail Top Tiers vs. Spriggans

[Nemispelled]

Mercury fulminate is a mistranslation. Why would I mention it?

You are talking about a series in which fire can change properties to become a solid and sand can absorb moisture. Laxus' red lightning apparently has properties different from natural lightning. Is that really that big of a deal. I also provided you with an alternative explanation, did I not? The fact that you don't accept it doesn't change the fact that Laxus beat Wahl.

Mercury Fulminate not being a part of the equation just makes my argument stronger. That means that Red Lightning is pure lightning.

Did I every say that Natsu was bs-free or asspull-free?

Laxus beating Wahl is a fact, but is it a fact that I have to consider when I'm ranking them? No.

Do you consider every single thing that happens in this series as a fact? Maybe only on your favorite characters.

All I said in this battle was that Laxus < Wahl, and then I get nailed for that.

If nobody can answer my question, all that simply means is that my position on this thread is valid.

 

[Axiomus]

Mercury Fulminate not being a part of the equation just makes my argument stronger. That means that Red Lightning is pure lightning.

Did I every say that Natsu was bs-free or asspull-free?

Laxus beating Wahl is a fact, but is it a fact that I have to consider when I'm ranking them? No.

Do you consider every single thing that happens in this series as a fact? Maybe only on your favorite characters.

All I said in this battle was that Laxus < Wahl, and then I get nailed for that.

If nobody can answer my question, all that simply means is that my position on this thread is valid.

Not being mercury fulminate doesn't prove that Laxus' red lightning has similar properties to normal red lightning. It just means it wasn't mercury fulminate. Again, this is a series where elements behave differently than in real life. We have Macao and Romeo's purple fire having different properties than normal fire. We have sand that can suck water out of you, and we have fire that can turn into solids.

So "Laxus beating Wahl" is not a fact that matters when considering whether or not Laxus can beat Wahl?You got an answer, and you don't even bring up points to counter it. Not accepting an answer is not proving your position is valid. Making a good argument is what proves your position valid. Quite frankly, since your position is that Laxus cannot beat Wahl, you ought to give us a good reason why Laxus wouldn't just be able to use red lightning against Wahl.

 

[BluePegasus]

Laxus his fight against Wahl was awful and hard to believe.

The battle was awful because Laxus won it. No, I'm not hating on Laxus. It's just the truth.

First of all, Wahl should be immune to lightning. There isn't any logic in the fact that Laxus could keep up with Wahl while he couldn't use Lightning Magic and was in a really bad condition. It's just stupid how an ill human who only uses hand-to-handcombat could keep up with a freaking Spriggan who should be as strong with Ishgar's strongest mage. Mashima made Laxus win because he had to make him avenge Freed and the rest. But thanks to this 'need', he created one of the worst and unbelievable fights in Fairy Tail.

Laxus defeated Wahl with one spell. I don't care if it was 'super effective' or whatever, it shouldn't have defeated him. Wahl fired dozens of spells at Laxus which should've killed him. He was hit by missles, lazers and a lot of other spells but the only thing these spells did was ripping of his clothes. It's really unfair that Laxus could defeat Wahl with one spell while Wahl used many spells that didn't do a thing to him.

Laxus should've been defeated by the first amount of missles that hit him. Some people say it was logic that Laxus defeated Wahl with a spell that could be (in the eyes of Mashima) super effective against Wahl. But there wasn't ANY logic in this fight. I guess Laxus is the new Fifth Origin Chelia with the ability to heal himself directly after someone attacks him.

 

[Nemispelled]

- No it doesn't. It just means it wasn't mercury fulminate.
- Love how you can't resist taking a jab at Natsu.
- So "Laxus beating Wahl" is not a fact that matters when considering whether or not Laxus can beat Wahl?
- Yes. Not just for my favorite characters.
- That would be because Laxus > Wahl.
- Not accepting an answer =/= Your position is valid. Making a good argument = Valid position. Quite frankly, since your position is that Laxus cannot beat Wahl, you ought to give us a good reason why Laxus would just be able to use red lightning against Wahl.

I don't care to target Natsu. I only brought him up because you said fire.

Why? Did I hit a weak spot? You've always been a fan of Natsu, huh?


Trying to switch it around like you always do huh? Because you couldn't answer my question, you try to turn the tables to avoid my question.

I'll take you up on that challenge. But not until my question has been answered. Every single time I answer somebody else's question, my question is avoided. Then later, people ask me for proof and evidence. Not this time.




If you want me to answer your question, I will do so in another thread or until the 2 posts left have been used up..

 

[Shasha23]

I think you are all forgetting something here in regards to Wahl vs Laxus, this is all magic and i highly doubt Wahl has ever fought anyone who used lighting magic who was stronger than him for him to make such bold statements like "electricity doesn't work on me"

 

[Axiomus]

I don't care to target Natsu. I only brought him up because you said fire.

Why? Did I hit a weak spot? You've always been a fan of Natsu, huh?

Trying to switch it around like you always do huh? Because you couldn't answer my question, you try to turn the tables to avoid my question.

I'll take you up on that challenge. But not until my question has been answered. Every single time I answer somebody else's question, my question is avoided. Then later, people ask me for proof and evidence. Not this time.

If you want me to answer your question, I will do so in another thread or until the 2 posts left have been used up..

What are you even talking about? I'm going to ignore the obvious flame-bait, and get back on the subject.

I didn't avoid your question. My reasons for why Laxus beat Wahl was either that he used lightning with properties different than normal lightning, or that he simply overloaded Wahl's ability to channel lightning. You haven't given a reason why either of those explanations wouldn't work. You said that Laxus can't beat Wahl. That's a very bold claim to make consider the fact that Laxus did beat Wahl. It should be up to you to prove why Laxus wouldn't be able to use Red Lightning against Wahl.

 

[Nemispelled]

What are you even talking about? I'm going to ignore the obvious flame-bait, and get back on the subject.

I didn't avoid your question. My reasons for why Laxus beat Wahl was either that he used lightning with properties different than normal lightning, or that he simply overloaded Wahl's ability to channel lightning. You haven't given a reason why either of those explanations wouldn't work. You said that Laxus can't beat Wahl. That's a very bold claim to make consider the fact that Laxus did beat Wahl. It should be up to you to prove why Laxus wouldn't be able to use Red Lightning against Wahl.

Both of those explanations don't work because Wahl is immune to lightning. Again, how is Red Lightning different than normal lightning??

Quit repeating yourself. You can't just say 2 lightnings are different without any proof. That's my point on the whole topic.

Red Lightning = Normal Lightning = Ineffective against Wahl

aka Laxus < Wahl


Just because the manga page says something, it doesn't mean that I have to agree with it.

Telling me that I have to believe everything the manga page says is bs.

If we all had to go by the manga pages alone, then these versus threads would be pointless.

They exist for people to give their opinion, and my opinion is Laxus < Wahl.

Obviously nobody can answer my question, so my position is valid.

 

[Stormsfury]

Both of those explanations don't work because Wahl is immune to lightning. Again, how is Red Lightning different than normal lightning??

Quit repeating yourself. You can't just say 2 lightnings are different without any proof. That's my point on the whole topic.

Red Lightning = Normal Lightning = Ineffective against Wahl

aka Laxus < Wahl


Just because the manga page says something, it doesn't mean that I have to agree with it.

Telling me that I have to believe everything the manga page says is bs.

If we all had to go by the manga pages alone, then these versus threads would be pointless.

They exist for people to give their opinion, and my opinion is Laxus < Wahl.

Obviously nobody can answer my question, so my position is valid.

Red lightning was even stated to be different from normal lightning........ how the hell can you say that normal lightning = red lightning......... You literally aren't making any sense here. If the manga says something then you that's how it goes because that's the story, you can't just go and make up your own story. You also seem to forget the glaring fact that Laxus was nearly dying from his illness during the actual fight so how on earth can you rate Wahl higher than him?

I also see that you rated Gray and Mira higher then some Spriggan's. Where on earth are the feats that prove this?

 

[Axiomus]

Both of those explanations don't work because Wahl is immune to lightning. Again, how is Red Lightning different than normal lightning??

Quit repeating yourself. You can't just say 2 lightnings are different without any proof. That's my point on the whole topic.

Red Lightning = Normal Lightning = Ineffective against Wahl

aka Laxus < Wahl


Just because the manga page says something, it doesn't mean that I have to agree with it.

Telling me that I have to believe everything the manga page says is bs.

If we all had to go by the manga pages alone, then these versus threads would be pointless.

They exist for people to give their opinion, and my opinion is Laxus < Wahl.

Obviously nobody can answer my question, so my position is valid.

How is demon slayer ice different from normal ice? How is Ajeel's sands different from normal sand? How is Gajeel's iron different from normal iron?

It is an established fact that red lightning is different from normal lightning, and that it is effective against Wahl. This isn't really up for debate or for a difference in opinion. Either you accept the manga, or you are in denial. If you want to be in denial, then fine. You don't have to accept the manga as a fact. You could deny it. Just don't try to deny the fact you're in denial. To the rest of us who are reading the manga, Laxus did beat Wahl and there's no real reason he can't do it again.

 

[Nemispelled]

Red lightning was even stated to be different from normal lightning........ how the hell can you say that normal lightning = red lightning......... You literally aren't making any sense here. If the manga says something then you that's how it goes because that's the story, you can't just go and make up your own story. You also seem to forget the glaring fact that Laxus was nearly dying from his illness during the actual fight so how on earth can you rate Wahl higher than him?

I also see that you rated Gray and Mira higher then some Spriggan's. Where on earth are the feats that prove this?

Stated and Proving are two different things.

I can state that the Earth is larger than the Sun. Is it true?

No, I'd have to prove that the Earth is larger than the Sun.

Same thing here.

Manga states Red Lightning =/= Normal Lightning.

Prove it to me.



I'll give you a chance to prove it to me. Otherwise it is another strike.



Don't start bringing in Laxus' illness. Even without it, Wahl is immune to lightning. Laxus would still lose.



Gray and Mira are my own opinions. Again, like I told Axiomus. You want to challenge me on Gray and Mira, I will do so on another thread. But this time, my question will not go unanswered.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Machina as a species were vulnerable to electricity because they are machines, and electricity messes with circuitry. Wahl makes up for this by making it so that he can turn electricity into power for himself. Laxus got around that with red lightning either by:
1) Creating a type of lightning that is different enough from normal lightning that Wahl can no longer convert it into power.
2) Having a type of lightning so strong it overloads Wahl's system despite his defenses
3) A combination of the above.

It really doesn't matter what type of lightning is used, it cannot overload Wahl. Wahl is a machina so that is why electricity overloads his system. It is essentially the same as the system of a human body being overloaded by magical energy except we don't use electricity to fuel ourselves. Therefore, Theory #2 doesn't work here. That would also make Theory #3 invalid. Let me further explain what I mean. Wahl stated that he is immune to lightning because he can convert it into electrical energy for his benefit. Being immune to magic, thus being able to absorb it in order to power yourself sounds familiar, right? Slayer Magic. Wahl's magic is very similar to that of a Slayer. For example, dragon slayers can eat elements of their own and use it to power themselves. There is no limit. Saying that the lightning is so strong that it overloads Wahl's system doesn't work unless we can say that Natsu cannot contain an immensely powerful type of fire in his stomach. From what we've seen so far, Natsu has been able to eat all kinds of fire without exploding.

Theory #1 is possible but still not likely. Silver's Ice Devil Slaying Magic allowed the element, ice, to not affect him. This is pretty much the same as the element, lightning, not affecting Wahl. Wahl's justification for immunity was because he could convert it. At the same time, Silver can convert his opponents' ice into his power when he eats it as well. So unless there is a type of ice existing that can affect Silver, I cannot agree with this statement. Nothing makes Wahl's and Laxus' situation special. In theory, they are similar. Therefore the other only explanation possible was that PoF and Nakama Power were involved.

Now, I will acknowledge Zancrow's type of fire did make Natsu unable to eat it. Because Zancrow's flames happened to affect Natsu, it meant that the type of magic could negate immunity as it won't pass through Natsu's body (Natsu can't eat it). This always puzzled me because it contradicts what was explained since Chapter 1 of Fairy Tail. Either way, I've always labeled this fight as nonsense too.

Either way, I wouldn't say that Laxus was weaker than Wahl. Laxus was actually keeping up with Wahl, and even managed to land a few hits against assault mode. He didn't succumb to his injuries either. He collapsed because his organs were failing, and he was in fighting shape after Wahl cleared the particles. Even if you say his victory was the result of an advantage, that doesn't change the fact he kept up with Wahl until the very end when he utilized that advantage.

First of all, I would like to clarify the effects of magical barrier particles. Do you think it consistently affects him like cancer would or would it be more like a stroke/heart attack where it happens periodically provided you don't die from it?

Secondly, I would like to differ on the part where Laxus has more MP than Wahl. By MP here, I will be using your definition which is what I usually refer to as magic energy. Anyways, assuming that Wahl does have higher MP than Laxus, then wouldn't consuming Laxus' lightning not affect or overload him as much? After all, having a higher capacity for magic would allow some room for more MP to be consumed.

It should also be noted that Wahl sustained no damage from Laxus throughout the entire fight as there were no visible injuries on him. Laxus, on the other hand, was injured. I agree that the magic barrier particles may have affected Laxus but he did get powered up from Wahl's miscalculation. In the end, his condition was worse.

What I'm interested in seeing is how someone can justify anyone else being stronger than Wahl if they argue that Laxus wasn't. Laxus has the 2nd best damage feat out of anyone on Fairy Tail's list, and hands down the best durability feats.

Lastly, just because Laxus isn't stronger than Wahl, that does not mean that we can't justify someone else being stronger. Laxus was at a clear disadvantage in this fight for a reason as Wahl is a direct counter to him. Laxus might be stronger than Natsu (I don't agree with this), for example, but Natsu would be able to defeat Wahl while Laxus can't. Reason? Just because Laxus is not meant for him. Like how Jacob is not meant for Lucy. The fact that Laxus used an unexplained spell, it showed that something does not add up. Similarly, Natsu could never defeat Totomaru. Why? Because he was countered in every direction. Who had to defeat Totomaru for Natsu? Gray and Elfman. Does that mean Natsu is weaker than Totomaru? Not necessarily...

I also can't see how we can say that Laxus has best durability feat.

 

[Nemispelled]

How is demon slayer ice different from normal ice? How is Ajeel's sands different from normal sand? How is Gajeel's iron different from normal iron?

It is an established fact that red lightning is different from normal lightning, and that it is effective against Wahl. This isn't really up for debate or for a difference in opinion. Either you accept the manga, or you are in denial. If you want to be in denial, then fine. You don't have to accept the manga as a fact. You could deny it. Just don't try to deny the fact you're in denial. To the rest of us who are reading the manga, Laxus did beat Wahl and there's no real reason he can't do it again.

Properties can be different. But not when the enemies are immune to it.

Gray fought against Silver who was immune to ice. But Gray used ice as a propelling apparatus. It was the steel ball that defeated Silver.

Laxus used lightning to defeat Wahl who is immune to lightning.


I don't know why you compare the different situations when they are entirely different. If Gray defeated Silver with a shard of ice, I would call BS. But unlike Laxus, Gray uses his mind.

 

[Firepower]

Both of those explanations don't work because Wahl is immune to lightning. Again, how is Red Lightning different than normal lightning??

Quit repeating yourself. You can't just say 2 lightnings are different without any proof. That's my point on the whole topic.

Red Lightning = Normal Lightning = Ineffective against Wahl

aka Laxus < Wahl


Just because the manga page says something, it doesn't mean that I have to agree with it.

Telling me that I have to believe everything the manga page says is bs.

If we all had to go by the manga pages alone, then these versus threads would be pointless.

They exist for people to give their opinion, and my opinion is Laxus < Wahl.

Obviously nobody can answer my question, so my position is valid.

Let's play it by your rules. Bisca is stronger than Erza, Ajeel, Wahl, and Serena. Until it can be proven that people with swords can overpower guns Bisca is the strongest. I've seen many throw sand around the beach. Guns and canons are stronger. Until I know what Serena's attacks are made of its bullshit. Guns and cannons are better. Far greater than eating fire, because you would kill yourself with fire. Prove to me in less than one word why these magic are legit. I won't let you ask me questions. It's me who does that because I have no logical answers. I've seen short circuits destroy electronics. How is Wahl immune to it if he's nothing more than a DVD player? I'd like to know how clapping hands can send people into another dimension. I've clapped my hands so many times and there were no dimension changes or anything. Therefore Jacob cannot actually send anyone into another dimension. Also he cannot turn invisible. His clothes are not made of anything but cheap Cotten. That cannot be invisible. Explain in detail. Remember you are limited to less than one word and I decide if it's legit or not. I am fair and unbiased.

For the real ft fans Laxus red lightning is something in his blood that represents his feelings. It's lightning made of something else that Wahl was not immune to. What it's made of is unknown. it is what it is. There's no need to question all this. It's a magical world. What they're made of is not known or possible in real life. That goes for any Mage.

 

[Stormsfury]

Stated and Proving are two different things.

I can state that the Earth is larger than the Sun. Is it true?

No, I'd have to prove that the Earth is larger than the Sun.

Same thing here.

Manga states Red Lightning =/= Normal Lightning.

Prove it to me.



I'll give you a chance to prove it to me. Otherwise it is another strike.



Don't start bringing in Laxus' illness. Even without it, Wahl is immune to lightning. Laxus would still lose.



Gray and Mira are my own opinions. Again, like I told Axiomus. You want to challenge me on Gray and Mira, I will do so on another thread. But this time, my question will not go unanswered.

The proof is that he did destroy Wahl with it, he effected Wahl with Red Lightning meaning that Red Lightning is different from normal lightning, because Wahl is immune to normal lightning......... how can you not see this?
It's the same thing with all Slayer magics, they aren't the same, they're more effective then others and in some cases the only effective magics against certain fighters.

Also how the hell can you tell me to not bring Laxus' illness into this........ one of the main reasons why Laxus fought Wahl was so that he could cure him and the Illness was slowing Laxus down during the entire fight, otherwise Laxus could have just used Red Lightning and killed him straight off the bat.

 

[Aizen]

Let's play it by your rules. Bisca is stronger than Erza, Ajeel, Wahl, and Serena. Until it can be proven that people with swords can overpower guns Bisca is the strongest. I've seen many throw sand around the beach. Guns and canons are stronger. Until I know what Serena's attacks are made of its bullshit. Guns and cannons are better. Far greater than eating fire, because you would kill yourself with fire. Prove to me in less than one word why these magic are legit. I won't let you ask me questions. It's me who does that because I have no logical answers. I've seen short circuits destroy electronics. How is Wahl immune to it if he's nothing more than a DVD player? I'd like to know how clapping hands can send people into another dimension. I've clapped my hands so many times and there were no dimension changes or anything. Therefore Jacob cannot actually send anyone into another dimension. Also he cannot turn invisible. His clothes are not made of anything but cheap Cotten. That cannot be invisible. Explain in detail. Remember you are limited to less than one word and I decide if it's legit or not. I am fair and unbiased.

For the real ft fans Laxus red lightning is something in his blood that represents his feelings. It's lightning made of something else that Wahl was not immune to. What it's made of is unknown. it is what it is. There's no need to question all this. It's a magical world. What they're made of is not known or possible in real life. That goes for any Mage.

Though this post made me laugh a bit i really do not know why anyone is even indulging this guy, He has completely made the whole discussion one sided by having everyone prove to him something that clearly cannot be explained fully as the author chose not to himself and so what? imo it did not make the fight bad as a whole and even if you think it did that's just your view nothing more nothing less. Nemispelled i get your trying to have your point directly countered rather than it be passed off but do you really believe this is the best way to go about it?

 

[Laxus]

Stated and Proving are two different things.

I can state that the Earth is larger than the Sun. Is it true?

No, I'd have to prove that the Earth is larger than the Sun.

Same thing here.

Manga states Red Lightning =/= Normal Lightning.

Prove it to me.



I'll give you a chance to prove it to me. Otherwise it is another strike.



Don't start bringing in Laxus' illness. Even without it, Wahl is immune to lightning. Laxus would still lose.



Gray and Mira are my own opinions. Again, like I told Axiomus. You want to challenge me on Gray and Mira, I will do so on another thread. But this time, my question will not go unanswered.

Lmao, you are hilarious.

Do you even realize how much nonesense you are saying?
You ask for proves when the manga itself is a prove? What?
By your logic I can say Lisanna low diff Wahl just because. Prove me wrong. Seriously now, what the hell?

As much as I like Mira she is definitely not on Spriggan level (atm). Not even Erza was able to beat Ajeel and Erza is > Mira.

Sorry, if you actually build up your own rules by ignoring the manga facts and only wanting to people to answer your questions which doesnt make sense you dont belong in this kinda threads.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Wow you're being nice in the middle of this? Thanks. You sure don't hold up to your words well. Keep telling yourself Laxus can't beat Wahl, after he did. I think it's time you get some fresh air. The truth hurts, but you need to accept who won. Man up. Excuses don't get you anywhere in life.

It doesn't matter if Laxus beat Wahl or not. We know it did because we read it. The point of discussion here is that was it a cheap shot? If you don't think so, you have to explain yourself.

I think you are all forgetting something here in regards to Wahl vs Laxus, this is all magic and i highly doubt Wahl has ever fought anyone who used lighting magic who was stronger than him for him to make such bold statements like "electricity doesn't work on me"

If you think the feat was legit, tell me how. There was obvious PoF and Nakama Power. Stop denying.

Red lightning was even stated to be different from normal lightning........ how the hell can you say that normal lightning = red lightning......... You literally aren't making any sense here. If the manga says something then you that's how it goes because that's the story, you can't just go and make up your own story. You also seem to forget the glaring fact that Laxus was nearly dying from his illness during the actual fight so how on earth can you rate Wahl higher than him?

I also see that you rated Gray and Mira higher then some Spriggan's. Where on earth are the feats that prove this?

Exactly. Red Lightning was stated to be different from Normal Lightning. Hence, the nonsense. How is it different? Because it just is? So the manga said that Laxus was defeated by Natsu and Gajeel. So Natsu and Gajeel beats Laxus...

 

[Firepower]

Though this post made me laugh a bit i really do not know why anyone is even indulging this guy, He has completely made the whole discussion one sided by having everyone prove to him something that clearly cannot be explained fully as the author chose not to himself and so what? imo it did not make the fight bad as a whole and even if you think it did that's just your view nothing more nothing less. Nemispelled i get your trying to have your point directly countered rather than it be passed off but do you really believe this is the best way to go about it?

I'm not doing this for him. I am getting a kick out of it. It's not everyday someone is outright delusional and challenges others.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Let's play it by your rules. Bisca is stronger than Erza, Ajeel, Wahl, and Serena. Until it can be proven that people with swords can overpower guns Bisca is the strongest. I've seen many throw sand around the beach. Guns and canons are stronger. Until I know what Serena's attacks are made of its bullshit. Guns and cannons are better. Far greater than eating fire, because you would kill yourself with fire. Prove to me in less than one word why these magic are legit. I won't let you ask me questions. It's me who does that because I have no logical answers. I've seen short circuits destroy electronics. How is Wahl immune to it if he's nothing more than a DVD player? I'd like to know how clapping hands can send people into another dimension. I've clapped my hands so many times and there were no dimension changes or anything. Therefore Jacob cannot actually send anyone into another dimension. Also he cannot turn invisible. His clothes are not made of anything but cheap Cotten. That cannot be invisible. Explain in detail. Remember you are limited to less than one word and I decide if it's legit or not. I am fair and unbiased.

For the real ft fans Laxus red lightning is something in his blood that represents his feelings. It's lightning made of something else that Wahl was not immune to. What it's made of is unknown. it is what it is. There's no need to question all this. It's a magical world. What they're made of is not known or possible in real life. That goes for any Mage.

You just said yourself that Red Lightning is represented by his feelings and something in his blood. Isn't that Nakama Power? So does this make the feat legit or not? You know that Nakama Power and PoF are not legitimate at all. So why argue?

 

[Nemispelled]

Let's play it by your rules. Bisca is stronger than Erza, Ajeel, Wahl, and Serena. Until it can be proven that people with swords can overpower guns Bisca is the strongest. I've seen many throw sand around the beach. Guns and canons are stronger. Until I know what Serena's attacks are made of its bullshit. Guns and cannons are better. Far greater than eating fire, because you would kill yourself with fire. Prove to me in less than one word why these magic are legit. I won't let you ask me questions. It's me who does that because I have no logical answers. I've seen short circuits destroy electronics. How is Wahl immune to it if he's nothing more than a DVD player? I'd like to know how clapping hands can send people into another dimension. I've clapped my hands so many times and there were no dimension changes or anything. Therefore Jacob cannot actually send anyone into another dimension. Also he cannot turn invisible. His clothes are not made of anything but cheap Cotten. That cannot be invisible. Explain in detail. Remember you are limited to less than one word and I decide if it's legit or not. I am fair and unbiased.

For the real ft fans Laxus red lightning is something in his blood that represents his feelings. It's lightning made of something else that Wahl was not immune to. What it's made of is unknown. it is what it is. There's no need to question all this. It's a magical world. What they're made of is not known or possible in real life. That goes for any Mage.

You are pretty much making all of that up.

It was stated in the manga, a fact, that Wahl is immune to lightning. So how does a lightning mage defeat a person immune to lightning.

It goes for any mage huh? So if Gray infuses his ice with his own blood, he should be able to oneshot Laxus right? Because Gray's feelings are strong. See what I mean?