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Who copied Zone and Phantom? Nioh and Kabaji,2 of the 3 Masters of The Noble and Old Art of Copy.Who said that was an impossible to be copied by Muga?Sanada,someone who should be trusted.And another topic: in the Finals, Phantom was owning Rai.When Sanada changed the tactic, he won.But in our League, I think, no sure,Sanada with Rai owns Tezuka with Phantom. Rai should not be nerfed, so boost just a bit Phantom
 

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And another topic: in the Finals, Phantom was owning Rai.When Sanada changed the tactic, he won.But in our League, I think, no sure,Sanada with Rai owns Tezuka with Phantom. Rai should not be nerfed, so boost just a bit Phantom
You're right, at the moment Phantom Tezuka would win. This could be avoided by making the booost you gain through Phantom 9. To keep the balance, the Power condition could be raised to 11 as well. Like that Sanada would only win by using Rin.
 

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You're right, at the moment Phantom Tezuka would win. This could be avoided by making the booost you gain through Phantom 9. To keep the balance, the Power condition could be raised to 11 as well. Like that Sanada would only win by using Rin.
Phantom is a little useless right now. It ONLY works vs Sanada, basically. Not many characters have that much power.

Maybe it should be something like "Opponent's effects are negated, Tezuka gets boosted 5 points" without a requirement to activate it. That would both make it more useful, and make him lose vs Sanada.
 

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Phantom is a little useless right now. It ONLY works vs Sanada, basically. Not many characters have that much power.

Maybe it should be something like "Opponent's effects are negated, Tezuka gets boosted 5 points" without a requirement to activate it. That would both make it more useful, and make him lose vs Sanada.
Yes, I know that it's very conditional and that's been bugging me a bit. The reason behind it was that Tezuka should be able to defeat Sanada using Rai. On the other hand, he should lose to Sanada when playing against Rin. As Rin is worded, Phantom had to have a condition that rquires to check your opponent's stats.

Jav is right in saying that Tezuka would currently lose to Sanada with Rai only. That's something that should be changed, I think. The easiest way to archieve this, is to do what I already mentioned and increase the boost granted from Phantom.

The real problem here is, that according to the manga, the ball goes out, regardless of the returns power. This is definetly not covered at the moment but currently I can't think of a satisfying solution.
 

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What do you think about: Tezuka Phantom [Final Effect] If the opponent has moré Power than Tezuka, reduce his Power to 0 ?
 

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Actually, I have no idea.

Even though it would clearly serve our purpose, it feels a bit strange to me. Also, as Tezuka is gonna be my character in the upcoming season, I can't say that much either.
 

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Actually, I have no idea.

Even though it would clearly serve our purpose, it feels a bit strange to me. Also, as Tezuka is gonna be my character in the upcoming season, I can't say that much either.
Yeah, I agree its useless but Tezuka has beastly abilities already. I don't think we need to worry about it too much.

Also, to date the only one who has been able to copy TPhantom is Nioh, and technically we don't know if it was a perfect copy or if it was just an illusion.

Furthermore, we may need to change Muga...or everyone will be copying spot...my recommendation is that if the effect would reduce anyone's points it only reduces by half. Now if everyone is okay copying spot fine by me....

For halving should we round up or down?
 
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Yeah, I agree its useless but Tezuka has beastly abilities already. I don't think we need to worry about it too much.

Also, to date the only one who has been able to copy TPhantom is Nioh, and technically we don't know if it was a perfect copy or if it was just an illusion.

Furthermore, we may need to change Muga...or everyone will be copying spot...my recommendation is that if the effect would reduce anyone's points it only reduces by half. Now if everyone is okay copying spot fine by me....

For halving should we round up or down?
Yeah, that's right, so lemme see...

Current Muga:
-Muga no Kyouchi [Aura]:
Echizen copies the effect of one player. If that effect would add points to any stat, half the points are added instead.

New Muga:
-Muga no Kyouchi [Aura]:
Echizen copies the effect of one player. If that effect would add/reduce points to any stat, half the points are added/reduced instead.

Is that acceptable?
 

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Yeah, that's right, so lemme see...

Current Muga:
-Muga no Kyouchi [Aura]:
Echizen copies the effect of one player. If that effect would add points to any stat, half the points are added instead.

New Muga:
-Muga no Kyouchi [Aura]:
Echizen copies the effect of one player. If that effect would add/reduce points to any stat, half the points are added/reduced instead.

Is that acceptable?
Yes, very reasonable. And I still defend my TPhantom idea ( reducing opponent Power to 0 and being impossible to be copied by Muga)
 

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Anyone who disagrees with new Muga?
If not, I'll change it.

Also, as it was a bit ignored last time, should Niou's Illusion and Mizuki's Prediction be allowed to be copied?
 

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Mizuki's prediction: Not by Muga users, or the Tachibana aura. Just copy geniuses, like Niou, Wakato and Kabaji.

Niou's illusion: Kabaji should be able to copy it. Wakato...Don't know. Muga/Tachibana users? nah.
 

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I would say that since Mizuki's predictions are made prior to the matches, they shouldn't be copyable. There's nothing to actually copy during the match, it's all prep work.

Niou should at least be copyable by Kabaji.
 

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I would say that since Mizuki's predictions are made prior to the matches, they shouldn't be copyable. There's nothing to actually copy during the match, it's all prep work.

Niou should at least be copyable by Kabaji.
I agree at all
 

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Wakato's copies are made prior to the match as well, remember? That's why I think he should be able to copy Mizuki.
 

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I think, as Wakato copies with a feat, he should be able to copy Mizuki. There are no abilities that negate feats, so there should be no problem with it.

Also, before you make your 3rd picks, please look at the following:

As you might have noticed, there are several players that are unable to spend all of their points in the remaining picking round. As our original intention was to give everyone the same team strenght, I thought about giving everyone an eight character. That characters total would be equal to the points the player has left.
If the player has no points left, the character has a total of 1.
Also, the character is allowed to have one feat (I would make a list to choose from).
The character is not stuck at that level though, everytime his team wins 1 point can be assigned to a chosen stat, if the character himself won a match, one more point can be distributed.
However there is a limitation in how much points can be distributed at max. It's clearly unreasonable to say that a low tier character (and afterall it is one, as you pay near to nothing for him) can be stronger than Sanada etc., yet it is also illogical to say that your character can't grow at all once a certain points is reached. That means there need to be a number of levels for the character, either 3 (high, mid, low tier) or 4 (add pro). However, to raise to a new level, a certain number of wins or something is needed.

This is only an idea, so please tell me you thoughts about it.
 

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I agree with that idea, there is nothing else to say other than "do it!"

I'd like to raise a point about Hiyoshi:

Hiyoshi (5, 5, 6, 6, 22) 20
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-Enbu Tennis [Feat]:
(1) Hiyoshi’s Power and Speed are boosted by 3 points each. (Singles only)
(2) Hiyoshi’s Power and Speed are boosted by 2 points each. (Doubles only)

-Gekokujou [Opening Feat]:
When playing against an opponent with an original total higher than Hiyoshi's, the opponent cannot lower Hiyoshi’s stats through Effects, and each of Hiyoshi’s stats is boosted by 1 point.

-Successor [Opening Effect]:
When playing against Atobe, Atobe’s Effects are negated and each of Hiyoshi’s stats is boosted by 2 points.
...Who is my character, but still, I'd like to talk about him.

His effect is useless.

Atobe (9, 9, 10, 11, 39) 45
All-rounder

-Insight [Feat]:
The opponent’s total drops by 3 and if he would add any points through an effect, only half the points are added.

-The King [Feat]:
Atobe’s Power and Control are boosted by 2 points each.

-Rondo towards Destruction [Final Effect]:
(1) If the opponent’s Speed is 9 or below, his Power is halved. (Singles only)
(2) If the combined Speed of both opponents is below 15, their effects are cancelled. (Doubles only)

-World of Ice [Final Effect]:
If the opponent’s total is within 10 points, their Speed and Power drop by 3 points each.
His effect only works vs Atobe, and he would still lose vs Atobe 100% of the time.

Hiyoshi+Enbu+Gekokujou+Successor=40

Atobe+his feat=43. Atobe's feat also makes Hiyoshi go down to 38, since Hiyoshi only blocks effects, not feats.

My suggestion:

Make it "vs a Captain" instead of only vs Atobe, or change his effect to something not related to playing vs Atobe or a captain, or if you guys think he is too broken just make it possible for him to defeat Atobe by negating feats as well.
 

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It's a good idea, just go for it.
 

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I agree with that idea, there is nothing else to say other than "do it!"

I'd like to raise a point about Hiyoshi:



...Who is my character, but still, I'd like to talk about him.

His effect is useless.



His effect only works vs Atobe, and he would still lose vs Atobe 100% of the time.

Hiyoshi+Enbu+Gekokujou+Successor=40

Atobe+his feat=43. Atobe's feat also makes Hiyoshi go down to 38, since Hiyoshi only blocks effects, not feats.

My suggestion:

Make it "vs a Captain" instead of only vs Atobe, or change his effect to something not related to playing vs Atobe or a captain, or if you guys think he is too broken just make it possible for him to defeat Atobe by negating feats as well.
By that, do you mean the real captains or rather like everyone chooses a captain for his team?

Also, if anyone has an idea for an unrelated effect that works well with the name, go ahead.
 

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I mean everyone picks a character and makes it their team's captain(didn't we do that in the last league?). Otherwise, his effect would again be useless. Not enough Captain's in the league. 1/7 chance of activating his effect is good enough though. So, I suggest something like this:


-Successor [Opening Effect]:
When playing against a team's Captain, that Captain’s Effects are negated and each of Hiyoshi’s stats is boosted by 2 points. This stat increase cannot be negated or interfered with.

or, if you want to make it more specific:

-Successor [Opening Effect]:
When playing against a team's Captain, that Captain’s Effects are negated and each of Hiyoshi’s stats is boosted by 2 points. This stat increase cannot be negated by Atobe's insight.

The "this stat increase cannot be negated" part is simply to keep the original vs Atobe scenario PLAUSIBLE. Now that I look at it more carefully...

-Insight [Feat]:
The opponent’s total drops by 3 and if he would add any points through an effect, only half the points are added.
...That would make Hiyoshi go only up to 36, while Atobe would have 43 points. It wouldn't even be close.
 

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Hmm, I'm fine with changing it that way.
Any complaints?
 
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