Game Fan League Discussion Thread

[Kaoz]

I'm confused whether Oni has Ten'imuhou no Kiwami or not in the fan league. It's not listed in his profile. But the Demon feat cannot be activated while Ten'imuhou is activated. I guess he has it? Is there a way to activate or deactivate it for Oni's case?

He doesn't. I gave it to him at first, but then decided against it after all. I simply forgot to remove it from the Demon description.

And the special 'Demon' can be activated by Super Sweet Spot right?

Yes.

---------- Post added November 14, 2014 at 05:08 PM ---------- Previous post was October 30, 2014 at 07:36 AM ----------

So I figured I'd post my notes here after each round for what needs changing. Feel free to point out other things as well.

Spoiler

-Atobe has 8 HP instead of 9
-Byoudouin: Supreme Ruler should only decrease Mental if opponent's HP decreased through Byoudouin's Serve/Special
-Ryoma: switch clauses of Super Rookie
-Kirihara's HP is missing
-Kite's Hitman should read "If *any* opponent's..."
-Mouri: decrease Stamina by 1 or 2 when negating Lv 5 Serves/Specials
-Tooyama: switch clauses of Super Rookie

-fix Serve rule: SB should be negated when activating Serves
-add rule for when self inflicted damage resolves

In this context, I don't plan to change the current characters a whole lot, unless they appear in the manga and do something that warrants it, or they end up on this list for whatever reason.

 

[Hardy]

Don't you dare nerfing Mouri, Fan Leagues have turned him in one of my favs

...ok yeah he's a bit broken, I admit it. Although, that would be a bit of a pain of a mechanic as whoever has Mouri can't avoid losing stamina (and maybe in some matchups he'll end up losing because of fainting) so... turning that feat into a tech could solve that?

 

[Kaoz]

...ok yeah he's a bit broken, I admit it. Although, that would be a bit of a pain of a mechanic as whoever has Mouri can't avoid losing stamina (and maybe in some matchups he'll end up losing because of fainting) so... turning that feat into a tech could solve that?

Well, he doesn't have any Serves or Specials, so you can't screw yourself out of activating anything this way. If he gets a new move during the WC, this would obviously have to be considered though. As for fainting, my line of thought was more that he just automatically can't negate Lv 5 moves any more when his Stamina is 0, there wouldn't be any danger of losing because of this.

 

[FrostyMouse]

Well, that is true. When he dislocated his shoulder, he was no longer capable of playing.

 

[Kaoz]

You don't need to dislocate your shoulder against every move though. >_>

 

[FrostyMouse]

You don't need to dislocate your shoulder against every move though. >_>

Of course not, silly...I was equating it to Stamina = 0, though.

 

[Hardy]

Well, he doesn't have any Serves or Specials, so you can't screw yourself out of activating anything this way. If he gets a new move during the WC, this would obviously have to be considered though. As for fainting, my line of thought was more that he just automatically can't negate Lv 5 moves any more when his Stamina is 0, there wouldn't be any danger of losing because of this.

Oh, that makes perfect sense then. I'm just not a fan of outplaying when you can't do anything against it (like... you can't avoid Mouri getting screwed cause it's a feat, but the other person might abuse it). I should check if that screws him against opponents that it shouldn't but I think it's not the case.

 

[Philia]

Regarding Yukimura, I was thinking that "Child of god" should give some stat boost because he's so useless in the fan league. Something like Speed, Power, Mental, Technique increase by 1. I don't think Yukimura can beat Duke if Duke doesn't use Duke Homerun. Heck, even Mouri, Kiko would beat him easily too.

 

[Kaoz]

Regarding Yukimura, I was thinking that "Child of god" should give some stat boost because he's so useless in the fan league. Something like Speed, Power, Mental, Technique increase by 1. I don't think Yukimura can beat Duke if Duke doesn't use Duke Homerun. Heck, even Mouri, Kiko would beat him easily too.

He can't, but... should he? I don't know about everyone else, but while I can see Yukimura returning Duke Homerun, I don't think he's a better player than Duke overall. Mouri loses to Yukimura, I think for Valentine it currently depends on the serve order (Yukimura wins if he serves first and loses if he serves second).

 

[-Ken-]

I don't think Yukimura can beat Duke as well. I'm unsure about Valentine since we haven't seen him play yet. But chances are high that Valentine is stronger than Fuwa/Mouri level.

 

[Philia]

Yukimura might not be a better player than Duke. But Duke had to go full power to beat Gin. As shown here: http://www.mangahere.co/manga/new_prince_of_tennis/v08/c083/7.html
Would Yukimura need to go full power to beat Gin? So, I guess it's debatable who's better in that case.
But that's not my point. My point is that Yukimura is pretty useless in the fan leagues. Pretty much every good player has some feats & techs. But Yukimura only has "Child of god" & "Yips" and these doesn't work when opponent don't use any special tech. That's why I think he needs something. It would be fine if "Chile of god" increases his stats a bit.

 

[Kaoz]

Well, I get where you're coming from. I can think of two three possible changes from the top of my head:
1) We can give him that "Mental +1 after losing a point (max 2 times)" skill that several top players already possess, or a variation of it. This wouldn't be out of place here at all I think since we've seen him get stronger over time against Ryoma.
2) We can try to come up with some way to simulate the length of a rally. I'm not really sure about specifics, but this would probably be the closest to what we're looking for.
3) He could reduce the opponent's SB by 1 or 2 points.

Thoughts on these approaches? Or would anyone else like to weigh in on this point in general?

 

[Philia]

2nd one seems to be the best option. But It would be very complicated. First one is alright. But I think Power & Speed should increase. He already has a 6 in mental.
3rd one doesn't make much difference. But Combining 1st one with 3rd one might be alright.

 

[-Ken-]

Well, I don't know about fan league. But manga wise, I think Yukimura is on the lower end of the high tier. He's not one of the 3 strongest MS, and I'm not even sure if he can beat #6 HS right now.

 

[Kaoz]

^You could probably argue him for third, although he might not be.

Anyway, I don't have time right now but I'm going to post a list of characters that beat Yukimura tonight, then we can have a look at that and use it as basis for further discussion.

 

[FrostyMouse]

I'd say he's probably fourth, Kaoz. I can't see him beating Ryoma, Sanada, or Kintarou.

 

[Hardy]

Inb4 we have a ¨this character has TnK and this one hasn't¨ discussion again, non-TnK! Kintarou is better than Yukimura?

Yukimura doesn't even need to win points to Yip people now lol. Black Aura is way less impressive than the new Yips... and where does Atobe stand atm then btw?

I don't have time right now but I'm going to post a list of characters that beat Yukimura tonight

Don't, you'll be helping Philia :< Do it after the fan league u.u

 

[Kaoz]

Inb4 we have a ¨this character has TnK and this one hasn't¨ discussion again, non-TnK! Kintarou is better than Yukimura?

Yukimura doesn't even need to win points to Yip people now lol. Black Aura is way less impressive than the new Yips... and where does Atobe stand atm then btw?

I'm more concerned about the question whether or not TnK!Kintarou is. It really depends on how broken the evolved Yips is. I think Yukimura > Atobe, but it could be argued either way really.

Don't, you'll be helping Philia :< Do it after the fan league u.u

Wouldn't I be helping Friss? Since he has Yukimura and everything? That said, it's incredibly easy to figure out - if they can consistently reach 25.5 or more without the SB and Specials, or if they have a Lv 6 Special they win.

Spoiler: List

Byoudouin
Ryoga
Ryoma
Kaji (if he's not using Dual Strike)
Obandu
Ohmagari (if he's not using Kenmei)
Oni
Reinhardt
Tanegashima
Tokugawa
Tooyama (if he's not using Serves/Specials)
Valentine (if he's serving first)
Watanabe (if he's not using Duke Homerun)

The only ones I find arguable from that list are Kaji, Ohmagari, Tooyama and possibly Valentine (depending on his position in the US team). The only character who we're currently not using who would also win when not using his special moves is Tezuka.

 

[Hardy]

...yeah I meant Friss. As Philia was the one wanting to discuss it I got confused, lol.

That list doesn't seem bad at all for Yukimura tbh, I don't see any problems in him currently. He's as ¨useless¨ as Mouri (or well, even better actually), I don't really see the need for a change.

 

[-Ken-]

That list seem pretty fair. Kaji, Ohmagari might be more debatable. But I think those two players seem to be pretty close to Sanada/Yukimura tier wise anyways. And both of them have conditions (not activating a move) that they have to go through.

I don't think Evolved Yips would be able to win a game against PoP Oni, but that's just me. It could be enough.