I’m not Being mean it’s just, kata is over rated. He is not a top tier fighter. He’s a high tier fighter. He is probably top 30-40 in the verse. Like by no means weak. He just can’t beat top tiers. Luffy is a yonko there is maybe 5 people who currently beat him. And probably less than that.
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Wci luffy is missing about 5 haki blooms, 2 advanced forms of haki and a devil fruit awakening. Let’s be clear luffy is night and day in strength. Post wci luffy doesn’t hold a candle to post wano luffy. Luffy is probably 30 times stronger post wano compared to post wci
None of those haki bloom made Luffy faster. At the end base Luffy with those haki bloom still cannot hit Katakuri.
Nobody is saying Katakuri can beat top tier. Just disagree with the difficulty top tier beats Katakuri. You saying base Luffy can blitz Katakuri (which means base Luffy currently is much fater than WCI Snakeman) is as baseless as current Usopp can blitz Dressrosa Luffy.
You need to understand that the only boost that allows Luffy to beat Katakuri is speed boost and aoe attack boost. (Snakeman and Bajrang Gun)
AdvCoc is not speed boost it's ap boost. AdvCoA is ap boost not speed boost. Awakening is ap and durability boost. Not speed boost therefore base Luffy with those boosts still cannot hit Katakuri (except awakening) and will get blitzed ragdolled again.
Only yonkos, admirals, Garp, Sengoku, Mihawk, Rayleigh and Benn beat Katakuri. The rest cannot beat him they lack FS and Snakeman speed. Ties with King due to match up they cannot harm each other. Current Zoro cannot beat Katakuri. lacks FS and Snakeman speed.
Did those power ups make Luffy faster? If not Gear 5 Luffy still cannot hit Katakuri. Extreme diffs. Gear 5 did not perform better than base Luffy speed wise against Kaido. Gear 5 needs Bajrang Gun to beat Katakuri otherwise Katakuri will keep dodging Gear 5 attacks.
@BlackTiger yes he also trained physically in udon. He is physically faster by a reasonable amount. To the point where base luffy doesn’t get speed blizted by kaido’s TB
@BlackTiger yes he also trained physically in udon. He is physically faster by a reasonable amount. To the point where base luffy doesn’t get speed blizted by kaido’s TB
Baseless he trained his armament in Udon not his speed. Fighting fodders won't make Luffy faster.
Rooftop base Luffy used Future Sight therefore he didn't get blitzed he could dodge Thunder Bagua while act 1 Boundman Luffy did not use CoO or FS so he got blitzed.
Boundman Luffy without CoO got blitzed again by Thunder Bagua chapter 1042 so act 1 and chapter 1042 Luffy without CoO still cannot dodge Thunder Bagua therefore no speed boost from Luffy. Base Luffy still get blitzed and ragdolled by Katakuri just like in WCI.
@BlackTiger he had seaprism cuffs on and lifted heavy boulders and did a lot of strength training. Seaprism drains fruit users of their strength. He would have been alot weaker while he was physically doing those tasks as such he got stronger. He also did train his CoA
@BlackTiger he had seaprism cuffs on and lifted heavy boulders and did a lot of strength training. Seaprism drains fruit users of their strength. He would have been alot weaker while he was physically doing those tasks as such he got stronger. He also did train his CoA
Why would lifting weight make Luffy faster? Did Zoro get faster from his weight training? Zoro was still relative to Sanji who did not do any weight training in term of speed.
Also Queen removed Luffy's sea stone cuffs so for the rest of Udon, Luffy did not use those cuffs while training his armament so those sea stone cuffs did not make Luffy faster since Queen removed them and.
Training CoA won't make Luffy faster.
Luffy did not get faster in his fight against Katakuri when he got CoO bloom.
You better stop inventing non sense just to justify that base Luffy can beat Katakuri.
This is non CoO Boundman vs Thunder Bagua in act 1
This is non CoO Boundman vs Thunder Bagua chapter 1042 post rooftop
Now tell me how did Luffy get faster when chapter 1042, he without CoO in his Boundman form still cannot dodge Thunder Bagua.
@BlackTiger its common knowledge strength training makes propel faster Google it. Lifting weights does increase your speed is simply a fact with humans. Luffy was also running while lifting boulders which is the best type of activity you can do to increase speed
@BlackTiger its common knowledge strength training makes propel faster Google it. Lifting weights does increase your speed is simply a fact with humans. Luffy was also running while lifting boulders which is the best type of activity you can do to increase speed
It's not common knowledge when Zoro with those weight training did not make him faster than Sanji.
It's common knowledge in your fanfiction because you are desperate to make an argument that base Luffy that embarrassed Kaido can hit Katakuri so base Luffy can beat Katakuri which goes against the manga. Kaido got humiliated by base Luffy therefore Katakuri must be humiliated too by base Luffy this is how you think which ignores that for base Luffy to humiliate Katakuri, base Luffy needs speed to hit him which WCI debunks.
It's also debunked when non CoO Boundman chapter 1042 Luffy still cannot dodge Thunder Bagua. If Luffy got faster, non CoO Boundman should be able to dodge Thunder Bagua unlike act 1 Luffy where without CoO, Boundman cannot dodge Thunder Bagua.
@BlackTiger no like actually Google it. It’s just a fact having stronger muscles requires less energy to propel you forward. Humans run with both upper body and lower body muscles. The stronger your upper body the better runner you will be. Post wci g4 got speed blizted by kaido. Post udon luffy didn’t. His training simply made him that much faster. Also it’s not debunked. Just because kaido hit luffy once doesn’t mean luffy isn’t able to dodge. Luffy has demonstrated the ability to dodge. Obviously he will be hit occasionally still.
@BlackTiger no like actually Google it. It’s just a fact having stronger muscles requires less energy to propel you forward. Humans run with both upper body and lower body muscles. The stronger your upper body the better runner you will be. Post wci g4 got speed blizted by kaido. Post udon luffy didn’t. His training simply made him that much faster
DId you ignore what I posted? It seems like you did not read everything so I'll post it again. Weight training did not make Zoro faster. Act 1 Luffy without CoO got blitzed by Thunder Bagua. If Luffy got faster, Boundman Luffy without CoO should not get blitzed by Thunder Baua which is wrong because chapter 1042 Boundman without CoO got blitzed by Thunder Bagua again mirroring act 1.
Did you ignore my Zoro did not get faster from weight training argument?
Did you ignore the comparison I made between act 1 Luffy and chapter 1042 Luffy where both non CoO Luffy in Boundman form still got blitzed by Thunder Bagau therefore no speed boost?
He got blizted by hybrid kaido who is faster than base kaido. For one second yes strength training did make zoro faster. Also he dodged it like 5/6 times post udon it was able to react to it. That’s not being speed blizted that’s just close combat between relevative strength.
He got blizted by hybrid kaido who is faster than base kaido. For one second yes strength training did make zoro faster. Also he dodged it like 5/6 times post udon it was able to react to it. That’s not being speed blizted that’s just close combat between relevative strength.
Weight training did not make Zoro faster. He is still relative to Sanji who did not do any weight training. Post and pre weight training Zoro is as fast as Sanji. No speed difference. Weight training only boosted Zoro ap which is proved by his cutting Pica feat. Stop inventing non sense.
Hybrid did not make Kaido faster.
Base Kaido failed to hit Luffy despite hitting him from behind.
Hybrid Kaido still failed to hit Luffy from behind.
Hybrid also did not help Jack against Inuarashi. He still cannot blitz Inuarashi the fight still ended in a stalemate.
Luffy dodged non Thunder Bagua attacks Kaido. Again Thunder Bagua is the mode that blitzed non CoO Boundman Luffy. That attack is very fast. The unknown here is Kaido attacks without Thunder Bagua. He cannot blitz Big Mom when kaido did not use Thunder bagua shows Kaido non Thunder Bagua attacks are not fast therefore base Luffy dodging non Thunder Bagua attacks Kaido is not speed boost since someone like Big Mom could react to non Thunder Bagua attacks kaido.
The awaiting moment is if non CoO Boundman Luffy still got blitzed by Thunder Bagua just like in act 1. If he didn't then Luffy got faster if non CoO Boundman still got blitzed by Thunder Bagua then Luffy did not get faster. Chapter 1042 answer this question Thunder Bagua still blitzed non CoO Boundman Luffy which shows Luffy did not get faster from his Udon training.
That's because Kaido used non Thunder Bagua attacks. Kaido with Thunder Bagua still blitzed non CoO Boundman Luffy chapter 1042. Thunder Bagua the attack that blitzed act 1 Luffy who did not use CoO and in Boundman form still blitzed non CoO Boundman Luffy again in chapter 1042. There's no speed boost only ap boost via armament training.
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