Geneiryodan Vs Meruem

Who would win?

  • Genei Ryodan

    Votes: 9 17.3%
  • Meruem

    Votes: 43 82.7%

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I am tempted to believe that Meryem is almost invencible.

However, we can never tell the outcome of a battle beetween Nem users, and the Ryodan have several different abilities.
 

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Right now I can't think about a combo they could use to defeat Meruem. But they don't need to kill the king to win, they can just suck him with Kuroro's or shisuku's ability. Once locked inside he won't be able to get out. Once inside the vacuum or inside kuroro's hanky, they can drop rose's inside it to kill the King. Or even better, once inside, they can throw something inside the vacuum cleaner, so that the King get's weaker, and then they put him outside and Kuroro can try to copy the king's ability. But of course, it would be very difficult to get the king inside.
Sorry but i laughed at this one :D
Shikuzus Vakuum Cleaner can only suck in dead things or materials.
And for Kuroro to steal (he did not copy them) abilities there are plenty of prerequisites required.
For example: The Nen user from wich he wants to steal the ability he needs them to tell him about what the ability does. Then the User has to put his hand on Kuroros book. Also, and thats the most important thing, if the Nen User dies, Kuroro cannot use the ability again.

Be sure you read Hunter X Hunter properly before making such predictions again.
 

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All the Spiders?

Does Hisoka count?
What about Uvogin?
And Kalluto?

I say the King dies but takes out about half the spiders.

Now King plus Pitou, Pouf, and Youpi vs the Spiders?

There's a battle.
 

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All the Spiders?

Does Hisoka count?
What about Uvogin?
And Kalluto?

I say the King dies but takes out about half the spiders.

Now King plus Pitou, Pouf, and Youpi vs the Spiders?

There's a battle.
Even the Ryodan combined wouldn't do any harm to the King. Because they are simply no match for him. Yupi alone would murder them same goes for Pitou, they might have a chance against, Pufu but that wouldn't be an easy tasl either.

http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter308/191162-9.html
http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter308/191162-10.html
 

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All the Spiders?

Does Hisoka count?
What about Uvogin?
And Kalluto?

I say the King dies but takes out about half the spiders.

Now King plus Pitou, Pouf, and Youpi vs the Spiders?

There's a battle.
I don't understand why people keep underestimating Meryem's speed and armor despite the earlier posts. What I don't understand more is that people just say "oh hell Meryem would be defeated" then not say a word about how theyre going to be able to pull it off. Oh well.

Even if you add Hisoka, Uvogin and Kalluto they're not gonna add anything mindblowingly phenomenal to the fight, just more corpses. Good luck with any of them catching up to Meryem first.

Protip:

If by any chance Meryem ingests Shalnark's Black Voice antenna maybe he could be controlled but good luck with that happening in the first place.

Protip:

Also, as Phinks, try to enter the battle after swinging your arm for like a hundred thousand times already and keep swingin while in the battle. If you're feeling lucky you might destroy Meryem along with the whole planet. That is, if that's how it works (by giving you infinite power with infinite swings).
 

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To be honest I would think the royal guard would still be within the range of the ryodan. It would be an unlikely victory for the most part but at least plausible. Feitan actually burning pufu seems plausible for instance. Still, each royal guard having as much nen as the ryodan combined is not that far fetched and we don't have to forget that the royal guard are strong enough to take people like kaito or knuckle with ease overall.
 

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I still don't see how the Ryodan could beat Meruem. Meruem before his power up could still solo the whole Ryodan.

If Meruem could survive this I don't see how something like Feitan's or Phinks ability could do any worse.

The King has some insane durability.
 
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I still don't see how the Ryodan could beat Meruem. Meruem before his power up could still solo the whole Ryodan.

If Meruem could survive this I don't see how something like Feitan's or Phinks ability could do any worse.

The King has some insane durability.
Also Zero ignores Meryem's speed because Kannon appears behind the enemy and traps it with its hands. So by far its the most sure-fire Nen-based way of damaging Meryem we've seen (Uber Gon could still miss the kick he launched Pitou with on Meryem).

The more interesting matchup I think would be the Royal Guards vs. Ryodan. However the Ants still have an edge.
 

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Also Zero ignores Meryem's speed because Kannon appears behind the enemy and traps it with its hands. So by far its the most sure-fire Nen-based way of damaging Meryem we've seen (Uber Gon could still miss the kick he launched Pitou with on Meryem).

The more interesting matchup I think would be the Royal Guards vs. Ryodan. However the Ants still have an edge.
Royal Guards vs the Ryodan would be a pretty cool match up. I agree the three Ants would definitely have the edge in the fight.
 
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First time poster here, though a long time HXH fan.

First of all the talk between Zeno and Kuroro just goes to reinforce the fact that you cannot know anything for sure unless you know each other's ability completely. It's pretty clear Zeno is far stronger than Kuroro in any tangible measurement, i.e. aura level, raw power, experience, and probably even tactics (Zeno saw through all of Kuroro's tactics easily). However this doesn't mean much when you don't know what kind of aura power the other guy may have. Zeno is an assassin who is very interested in getting out of his mission alive. He is not going to say he has this much aura power so no way he's going to lose. He clearly has no idea what kind of ability Kuroro may have on that book, so even though he can tell he is stronger, he's not going to risk his life for no reason. That's why he said he'd almost certain win a normal battle but can't say the same if it was to the death. For all he knows maybe Kuroro has an ability that only works on assassins!

Meryem cannot be compared to the Spiders, even in his initial form. Novu said that it's okay if the rest of the assault team got wiped out by the Royals as long as they defeated Meryem. This implies by himself Meryem is considered a threat to humanity itself. If the Spiders can defeat him that'd mean they too are a threat to humanity itself. This simply is not true. If Kuroro didn't hire his own assassins there was a good chance a significant portion of the Spiders would be taken out by Silva and Zeno.

At any rate a fight between Meryem and Spiders would have answer the question how is the fight going to start. If Meryem is in 'dinner' mode, the fight would begin with a significant portion of the Spiders missing their head or at least a limb, possibly including Kuroro (there is no reason to believe he is the top 3 most capable physical fighter out of Spiders themselves), and of course each person he kills would make him even stronger. When Meryem first met Zeno and Netero, Zeno and Netero were momentarily distracted and both of them realized that they could've died for just taking their eyes off Meryem for even a split second. If being distracted for a split second could've killed Netero, I don't see how the much weaker average Spider member would stand a chance even if they've their full attention on Meryem.

However, Meryem could be in his more human side, and in this form he clearly wants to find a challenge. After all, he gave Netero a considerable handicap (he promised he wouldn't kill him). I'd imagine Meryem might give Spiders something like no killing (from him), and he must give the Spiders some kind of lead time to charge up attacks. This criteria is crucial because if Meryem can attack first he'd just remove the limbs of all the spider and that'd pretty much stop any of the abilities the Spiders possess. That said even if they have time to plan and execute an attack, there's no way the Spiders can dish out enough damage to hurt Meryem physically. I'm going to assume there's no way they're going to be able to stick an antenna in his body (the antenna wouldn't stick even on grunts without an opening), and Phinx won't just get to spend his arm a million times. The only attack that may affect him is by sucking up his blood (Shizuku). It's pretty clear that he does bleed and presumably even he will die if he lost all his bloodm though given Shizuku's rock bottom physical ability, it's hard to imagine how she can continue doing that once Meryem realize what's going on.
 

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Royal Guards are sure still within range for any human.

Meruem not. And it's quite clear, at least to me, why it's so dangerous. He's a fast learner. Everything on him is made to quickly adapt and improve. And that's probably the worst thing you can face. The longer the fight, the lesser the chances.
Add to that the ability of reading the enemy's feelings and thoughts and you're completely doom because you can't use tricks.

The King is almost a God, and it was stated as such to see the huge gap and how much power it takes to bring him down. The president of the Hunter Association, god's sake! A person that should be able to match the Genei Ryodan with no many issues in the road.
 

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Royal Guards are sure still within range for any human.

Meruem not. And it's quite clear, at least to me, why it's so dangerous. He's a fast learner. Everything on him is made to quickly adapt and improve. And that's probably the worst thing you can face. The longer the fight, the lesser the chances.
Add to that the ability of reading the enemy's feelings and thoughts and you're completely doom because you can't use tricks.

The King is almost a God, and it was stated as such to see the huge gap and how much power it takes to bring him down. The president of the Hunter Association, god's sake! A person that should be able to match the Genei Ryodan with no many issues in the road.
Also the King is basically only few weeks old, if he had a few years to learn how to use his powers to the fullest he would be in my opinion unstoppable.
 

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The King and Royals seem to have greatly accelerated learning. If it takes the most talented human 20 years to perfect their aura abilities, it might take them only 2 months. However I don't think the extra 19 years and 10 months they get means they can go beyond what their natural peak is. Pitou estimated it'll take an hour to heal Komugi, and he said with more experience he got it down to about 50 minutes. But I don't think this means that after 10 years he can do the same in 5 minutes. I know Meryem actually said that he's still practicing his powers when he used the Circle, but you've to remember he's using that power to do things nobody has ever done before (detect footprints, read emotions, etc), and at any rate he seem to have perfect it in 3 tries.
 

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The king would win imo. He is incredably fast and durable. If he shows no mercy from the begining he would win, he is a strategist, and all, and all the president of the hunters could do was delay him, remember that his strongest move could do minor damage. just the bomb was able to do some real damage, and as for the result of the battle, it would be an obvious victory for the king.
If they all attacked at the same time maybe, but otherwise not.
So I say, King wins.
 

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IMO the best chance ryodan has based on what we have seen is by far shizuku. Her combat ability is perhaps lower than most of the ryodan but if by some minute miracle they actually put a scratch on the king there is a chance for them to actually suck him dry of blood. That would be fairly useful at least against the first form of the king. The second is trickier since the king has pufu's ability though.

Anyways, I think that at large the ryodan would be largely incapable of harming the king. Netero's based attack was able to make a reasonably large hole into the ground and even hundreds of thousands of those hits made the king numb. His most insane attack caused only superficial damage. On top of that the king took a nuke at point blank and survived.... Nothing the ryodan has shown has but a fraction of the power a nuke has.... I don't see a way for the ryodan to get past the kings defense basically.
 

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Kuroro is Special Type. If you have the Manga you would´ve seen it between the chapters of Yorkshin arc where every Ryodan Member was presented.
http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter123/153273-4.html
Er, knowing the type of aura user you are doesn't tell you WHAT abilities you will use. Neon, Pakunoda, Kurapika, Kuroro, and Pitou are all Special Type users, and it tells you nothing about what kind of ability they use in combat. Two of them basically have no ability geared to combat at all. The Special Type characters tend to feature an even wider array of possible attacks, so Zeno literally have no idea what kind of ability Kuroro may have learned. That's not to say he will lose, but he simply has no idea if Kuroro has some kind of "Super Saiyan when near death" ability or not, for example, so he's not going to say he can't possibly lose in a fight to the death.

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IMO the best chance ryodan has based on what we have seen is by far shizuku. Her combat ability is perhaps lower than most of the ryodan but if by some minute miracle they actually put a scratch on the king there is a chance for them to actually suck him dry of blood. That would be fairly useful at least against the first form of the king. The second is trickier since the king has pufu's ability though.

Anyways, I think that at large the ryodan would be largely incapable of harming the king. Netero's based attack was able to make a reasonably large hole into the ground and even hundreds of thousands of those hits made the king numb. His most insane attack caused only superficial damage. On top of that the king took a nuke at point blank and survived.... Nothing the ryodan has shown has but a fraction of the power a nuke has.... I don't see a way for the ryodan to get past the kings defense basically.
The problem with using Shizuku is that the moment Meryem sees what she's doing he'd either kill her or at least incapaciate her. If both of these actions are somehow impossible, he's also clearly faster than any human being and can easily retreat to somewhere far enough away to avoid getting his blood sucked.

Even Pitou needed 0.1s to prepare his aura ability, which was enough time for Netero to hit him out of the preparation time. Meryem's basic fighting strat seems to be just removing the threat while they're preparing their attack, and as long as he can incapaciate/kill you before you're done preparing your move, it doesn't even matter how powerful your move is because you'll never get that move off.
 

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So you want to tell me that you cant know what kind of ability a special type Nen User has.
And how is it easier to know what kind of ability any other Nen User has??? I guess you should read Hunter X Hunter again completely.

Besides we already know Kuroros ability.
 

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So you want to tell me that you cant know what kind of ability a special type Nen User has.
And how is it easier to know what kind of ability any other Nen User has??? I guess you should read Hunter X Hunter again completely.

Besides we already know Kuroros ability.
Um, you know Kuroro has a book that contains the abilities he's stolen from other people, but you have no idea what ability he's managed to steal so far. It's heavily implied that he may have some abilities more suitable for killing people inside his book compared to the abilities he used during the battle, since he was only trying to stall time.

Silva observed during the battle that since he doesn't know the extent of Kuroro's ability, there's a risk involved in defeating him. You have to recognize that Killua and his family are extremely risk adverse. Killua was taught by Irumi that don't fight any fight where you can't be sure you'll win. It's pretty clear this philosophy is how the rest of the family fights too. Biscuit said that Killua will always estimate his enemy at their peak, and no doubt that's how the rest of his family operates too. Could Kuroro at his peak somehow kill Silva or Zeno? Of course he can. Doesn't mean he can do it, but it's certainly possible. One can say this behavior is pretty cowardly/defeatist, but then that's why Silva and Zeno don't call themselves Hunters. Their goal in life is to make a living and kill people without being killed.
 

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At least i finally got what you mean. You meant you dont know wich kind of ability he woul use out of his Book. (Wich is his original ability)
But that would be stil just like any other Nen Fight, you dont know what kind of ability the other one has.
And like Moraou once said, the first step to win the fight ist to observe what kind of ability the other one has.

Oh and not taking a risk for Killuahs family as philosophy how all of them fight?
Doesnt seem so:
http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter99/153234-16.html
http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter99/153234-17.html

Well Silva there fights 'carefull'. He analyzes the situation and the enemies movement, as a good fighter always do:
http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter98/153232-16.html
http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter98/153232-17.html
http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/HunterXHunter98/153232-18.html

But i guess in Kulluahs Case they just wanted to protect him with Irumis Needle, and sort of controll him too.
It was most probably hi Mother wo told Irumi to do that. Because she loves Killuah (as sick as it sounds in his Family).
 
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