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heh..i just thought bout sumthing..if supe were to fight goku and maybe,maybe if supe win against goku,supe would not kill goku..however,goku will be stronger after his fights,so goku will duel with supe again,and supe will of course kneeling for forgiveness from goku...even supe died fighting with doomsday(an alien that came d same day as supe but never made it to d earth surface until one day)..
therefore,goku will owez win no matter who hie foe is..
 

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goku would own....1st goin from saiyan to supersaiyan 4 in the amount of 10 hours thats fast even for him hehehe and then a chou kamehameha on superman then superman dodges and looks like goku was infact doin a wark chou kamehameha and bamm on superman's back
 

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Lets say the S-man is invulnerable such that Goku can't hurt him physically. Goku can always instant trans him anywhere in the universe or spirit realm. If he happens to be stronger than Goku in their first fight, Goku eats a sensui bean (I forget the name) and he is about twice as strong as before. Plus it seems that the stronger the opponent the stronger Goku gets ... probably ending up in SS5 or higher if he needs to be.

But for the two to fight they will have to go to a planet far far away cause the the planet is going to be in a trillion pieces before they finish the first hour. It would suck for Superman because Goku would want to keep fighting as long as his stomach doesn't get in the way. But then again I doubt the S-man can touch Goku ... the difference in their speeds is just unfair. Plus the S-man's only energy attack is almost DB power level as opposed to DBZ power levels. Maybe the fight might show us the limitations of Superman's powers (unless someone makes a rule that he has infinite power).

Anyway, Goku owns Superman and the World ends ... unless if Goku simply gives Superman a ride on a Kamehameha into space.
 

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i grew up with both superman and goku in my "heroes" roster....so i'm really friggin torn when it comes to this match-up....why don't we add some handicaps? instead of having then duke it out, lets have them do a race around the world? superman has intense speed, and goku has teleportation. to make things fair, they have to collect various things from each country, and goku both of them are required to stay at their destinations for at least 5 hours?
 

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Hello, I'm new (as is attested by my low low post count.)

Couldn't help but notice this thread, and perhaps some severe injustice ol' Big Blue was facing here...

Thus, I shall try to perhaps raise some of your opinions about Superman, even if I can never quite convince you that he'd beat Goku (which I sincerely believe he could). I just hope I'm not committing thread necromancy.
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To Start off, we'll begin with the scope and intensity of Superman's Heat Vision

Here, he uses it to raise the temperature of the entire earth by several degrees, to counter-act a global cooling effect. Note the fact that he's using heat vision to heat up the entire planet and the atmosphere. And note that it would take a tremendous amount of energy, orders of magnitude beyond a hydrogen bomb, to heat up the planet so quickly.



Here's another example of the range and power of heat vision, with Superman pulling off his own "parting of the sea" right there. Since Goku has had quite the history of not being able to seriously deal with strong heat (magma for one thing), I'm sure even a single heat vision blast would do serious damage to Goku.



Next, we move on to Superman's durability, which I believe far outclasses any form of Goku's (SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, and yes, SSJ4)

Superman flies through a Red Sun, the kind that drains him of his powers. Note that he also flew past a field of kryptonite in order to reach that sun. This occurred in Infinite Crisis, when Superman and Superman of Earth-2 were trying to weaken Superboy Prime.



Superman, during a possible future fight with the villain Khyber, is thrown into the earth with ridiculous force. He survives this.



Lava? Volcanic Eruption? Pffffft. This occurred after the above picture.



Superman goes back to a fraction of a microsecond after the big bang, survives handily, all the while shoving Warworld, a small planet that is actively resisting him with planet-moving engines, into the big bang. Note: Superman is sun-dipped, so he did get a power boost. Still, it's quite a feat.



Next: Superspeed

Superman has just finished up beating Livewire on the other side of the city. Metropolis, being about New York City sized. That'd mean he'd at least have to be several miles away. That means he accelerated quickly enough to a speed fast enough for him to reach a bullet that was already fired at Lois, who was less than 10 feet away from the gunman when he was more than several miles away.



Next: Willpower >>> Kryptonite

Lex Luthor had a huge kryptonian warmachine, and pumped full of practically all the kryptonite on earth. But Superman summoned the willpower to smash through it, even after being hit by Kryptonite beams.



Next: Crazy wonky stuff.

Superman defies death, literally.






Oh and...

Goku can destroy planets without even breaking a sweat. The whole Kryptonian civilization was wiped out by one planetary explosion. One Kamehameha from Goku and Superman is toast.
Well...wasn't the Saiyan race more or less wiped out by the explosion of planet Vegeta? (Even if said explosion was caused by Frieza...) Besides, Kryptonians on Krypton are more or less at normal human power levels, Superman is obviously, far far beyond that.

Also: Superman can survive in outer space, Goku can't. If Goku fires off a Kamehameha and Superman dodges it (which is likely, cause those things don't seem to be much faster than your average bullet) and it hits whatever planet they're fighting on, Goku's screwed. (Assuming it actually blows up the planet instead of leaving a crater, funny how selective Ki blasts are for doing that sort of thing...)

Goku can blow up the universe with his finger... Superman can blow up a truck, maybe?
Goku definitely can't blow up the universe with his finger, considering even in his arguably most powerful form (SSJ4) he did barely anything to put him above SSJ (besides having a higher number in the title). And uh, by the pictures I've put up, Superman can definitely blow up more than a truck...
 
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i grew up with both superman and goku in my "heroes" roster....so i'm really friggin torn when it comes to this match-up....why don't we add some handicaps? instead of having then duke it out, lets have them do a race around the world? superman has intense speed, and goku has teleportation. to make things fair, they have to collect various things from each country, and goku both of them are required to stay at their destinations for at least 5 hours?
true those 2 affected me as a boy like GI JOE action figures should to boys

anyhow once superman and goku both have speed and neither can be as fast as the speed of light but goku comes close because i dont remember superman runnin in an instant from earth to another planet lighyears away...althought i remember him being almost beat in a race against flash...and flash can go at the speed of light since he's flash..so yeah goku might be ownin in the speed area

next strengths...guke has the all togetherness of ppl on his side..wat i mean is he has the spirit bomb...something which can't be kicked away since it explodes on contact and the bigger and stronger it is the harder it is to resist it for a sec if i recall the BUU saga

fighting skills....
goku has been well tought in the ways of the shaolin monks and was more then able to beat beasts ten times his size at a young age much like superman.....saiyans have the fightin blood in them unlike what we know from kryptonians who seem to have soldiers but they arent a fightin race like the saiyans
kung fu plus super alien like powers and fightin experience from many diff alien specias and ability to recover strength from beans against superman...

but lets not cut superman short since superman also had pretty much the same fightin experiences as goku fightin many alien entities and such but lets say the sun is what's keeping superman strong...goku grabs on to superman and teleports to another galaxy far away from the sun...and full of kryptons...that would mean superman would loose his powers and then goku can use the super spirit bomb on him and end it....
 
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true...it has been proven that superman is a biitch without the sun... all goku has to do is bring him to a darkass place and duke it out with him there...in a way i'm really for goku since i'm a bigger fan of DBZ than i am of superman (i've always liked..you guessed it..batman better).

oh god...lol...
scene: *goku grabs superman and teleports him to a really dark place* goku says- WHERE'S YOUR GOD NOW?

sorry...i couldn't help it....
 

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Not only to a dark place... he can teleport with him to a planet with a red sun. And in there superman will be as defenceless as a 5 year old boy in the middle of World War Hulk.

Remember that when they made Sperman fight Mohamed Ali, they fought in a ring with a red lamp so the fight in equal conditions.
 

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Not only to a dark place... he can teleport with him to a planet with a red sun. And in there superman will be as defenceless as a 5 year old boy in the middle of World War Hulk.

Remember that when they made Sperman fight Mohamed Ali, they fought in a ring with a red lamp so the fight in equal conditions.
That's Pre-Crisis Superman, and quite frankly, that's a whooooole other ballgame compared to Current Superman...

Seriously, while I think Superman would be able to beat Goku (regularly, but not without greatly exerting himself...unless he just catches him with wide-angle heat vision in which case Goku's fried), Pre-Crisis Superman would take Goku, marry him to a gorilla, and than just utterly rape him with his pinky-finger.

Seriously, the guy flies to other galaxies, saves entire civilizations from huge threats, and returns to his conversation with Lois before she even notices he's gone.

He has taken out solar systems by accidentally sneezing, and can regularly go through time by flying faster than the time barrier.

Pre-Crisis Superman just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goku

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anyhow once superman and goku both have speed and neither can be as fast as the speed of light but goku comes close because i dont remember superman runnin in an instant from earth to another planet lighyears away...althought i remember him being almost beat in a race against flash...and flash can go at the speed of light since he's flash..so yeah goku might be ownin in the speed area
When has Goku ever gone even close to the speed of light? I mean, yes, he can teleport, but that's teleporting, not actual speed. Goku has never had any real indicators of how fast he can go (and after-images and the sudden disappear/reappear are not proof that he is near lightspeed, otherwise you'll also be saying all the high-tier Rurouni Kenshin characters are lightspeed too...)

next strengths...guke has the all togetherness of ppl on his side..wat i mean is he has the spirit bomb...something which can't be kicked away since it explodes on contact and the bigger and stronger it is the harder it is to resist it for a sec if i recall the BUU saga
A Spirit Bomb...which takes foreeeeever to gather up. Superman's not just gonna stand there like an idiot like all DBZ villains seem to do, and there's nobody else to "distract" him ala Goku vs Frieza. So when Goku throws his hands up into the air, closes his eyes, and stands perfectly still, Superman would:
A) Slam into Goku at incredible speed, and just wail on him.

B) Heat vision him from far away, which would just kill him outright. (Since nobody's brought up anything that shows Goku can withstand severe temperature extremes like lava or, hell, the sun.)

Not only to a dark place... he can teleport with him to a planet with a red sun. And in there superman will be as defenceless as a 5 year old boy in the middle of World War Hulk.
Note above pictures, Superman doesn't instantly lose his powers when he gets near a red sun or gets on a planet with a red sun. Hell, he was INSIDE of the red sun...AFTER he flew past an asteroid field of KRYPTONITE, and he came out more or less fine on the other side. Drained yes, but okay. Now, if he was just on a planet near a red sun, it would drain him slowly, yes, but not so fast that Superman couldn't fly away to the nearest yellow sun. (which he can, since, despite the common belief that Superman isn't faster-than-light, he goes faster-than-light ALL THE TIME...) And this is all assuming Goku can manage to get his hands on Superman without getting a stiff elbow to the gut (because that'll really ruin your concentration). Also, doesn't Goku need to "lock-on" to other people's Ki signatures when he uses IT?
 
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why can't we like both equally? i mean superman fanboys will always side with him, and same for DBZ fanboys with goku....this is like the whole family guy vs simpsons thing...they're both funny? why not like both? geez....
 

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It's not about liking Goku, it's just that I think Superman would win, and I'll attempt to refute arguments made in Goku's favor in order to support Superman.

I mean, I like Goku fine, sure, I just think he'd get knocked out by Superman.

It'd be no different than my acceptance that Superman could be held off by Cardcaptor Sakura if she was given a bit of preptime to activate a few cards (notably, the ones with WTF Reality-Warping powers).

...Though, if anyone ever tries to pull a "Kyuubi could beat Superman!" I'll bash them over the face with a cinder-block...
 
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@level4paperboy: Then it's a tie and after the fight tehy're going to eat some icecream togheter.
 

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if you guys really want to see who's gonna win, then lets st it at a fair playing field

the winner is judged by their gross sales! the market does not lie! whichever character has the highest gross sales, has the bigger fanbase. thus making one character better than the other based on their influence towards the consumers!
 

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if you guys really want to see who's gonna win, then lets st it at a fair playing field

the winner is judged by their gross sales! the market does not lie! whichever character has the highest gross sales, has the bigger fanbase. thus making one character better than the other based on their influence towards the consumers!
Well, Superman's been around for nearly 70 years, been in thousands of comics, books, newspaper strips, had several (admittedly awful) video games (a trend that'll hopefully change sometime soon), several big-budget Hollywood movies (one great, two good, one not-so-good...), one low-budget Hollywood movie (which was awful), the highly popular 40's radio serial, movie serials ranging from the great animated Superman shorts by the Fleischers (which inspired its fair share of anime and manga artists too) to the Superman serials starring Kirk Alyn, The Adventures of Superman starring George Reeves, Superboy, Lois & Clark, Smallville, "It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's Superman!" The Broadway Musical, Superfriends, the 1988 Superman cartoon by Ruby-Spears, Superman: TAS, Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, new DVD Movie Superman: Doomsday that's gonna come out soon, and another big budget Hollywood movie coming out in 2009.

There's also toys, various merchandise, and a UN-commissioned book regarding the danger of landmines.

The superhero comic-book genre started with Superman, when Action Comics proved that superheroes would sell.
Also, the term "superhero" comes from Superman, previously characters than would fit into the superhero genre were called "crimefighters" or "vigilantes".

All told, Superman has generated billions of dollars in sales and revenue either directly or indirectly.

Superman comics were considered part of essential supplies for Marines at the Midway Islands during WWII.

The Superman symbol is one of the most recognized symbols in the world, and Superman is one of the world's best known characters. I mean, almost everybody can list at least 3 of Superman's powers, and know at least part of his story (he's from Krypton, Krypton blew up, relationship with Lois Lane, etc) Ask someone on the street who Goku is, they probably won't know. Ask someone who Superman is, and they'll probably ask if you've been living under a rock for the past 70 years.

There are quite a number of songs inspired by the Superman mythos:

* "Kryptonite" by 3 Doors Down.
* "Superman" by The Clique; the song was later made famous when R.E.M. covered it on their 1986 album Lifes Rich Pageant. That version also appeared in an episode of Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman.
* The Crash Test Dummies' first hit single was the song, "Superman's Song", which is sung like a funeral dirge. The song compares Superman to Tarzan and mentions Green Lantern's old villain Solomon Grundy. It continues with the lament that Superman kept fighting despite sadness and fatigue, and that "the world will never see another man like him."
* "Superman (It's Not Easy)" by Five for Fighting; the popular 2001 single is clearly sung from the point of view of Superman, although his name is never mentioned. The song became a popular anthem after the September 11, 2001 attacks, as well as after Christopher Reeve's death. It was also used in an episode of the TV series Smallville.
* "(Wish I Could Fly Like) Superman" by The Kinks
* "Superman" by Martha Redbone, on her Home of the Brave album, 2002, contains the lyrics "have you ever been to the moon?/ you could take me there if you want to....just say the word , baby, save the day/ maybe lie awake with me....
* "Even Superman" by Ryan Shupe & The Rubberband (from SLC, Utah)
* "Even Superman Shot Himself" by Powerman 5000
* "Resignation Superman" by Big Head Todd & The Monsters on Beautiful World (1997) examines what might happen should Superman decide to turn his back.
* "Waitin' For Superman" by The Flaming Lips
* "Superman" by Barbra Streisand


Besides, his monthly book Action Comics has more or less been in print for almost all of those 70 years, quite the achievement. On it's 850th issue now, along with issue #600-something for Superman.

A near mint-condition copy of the original 1938 Action Comics #1 is worth about $1,000,000.

Oh, and Superman is in the dictionary. Superman
(Admittedly, this entry was a ways down, but still)
American Heritage New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition
Superman:
A seemingly immortal, superhuman comic-strip character created in the late 1930s, who hides his powers beneath the persona of Clark Kent, a mild-mannered newspaper reporter. Only when there is a threat of danger — often to his fellow reporter and secret love, Lois Lane — does Clark transform himself into the caped hero.
[Chapter:] Mythology and Folklore

Indeed, Superman really is an integral part of modern mythology.


I think Superman won this fight quite handily.
 
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Goku, nor anyone in DBZ, has never performed any FTL speed feats.

If any of you believe they have, I invite you to post scans suggesting such.

If Goku, or anyone in DBZ, could move light speed, then why would it take so long for them to fly around Namek? Why did it take them so long to chase down the Androids? Why did chibi Trunks not reach his destination instantly when SSJ3 Goku distracted Majin Buu?

Also, the Spirit Bomb shouldn't even be brought into this discussion. It's big, obvious, slow, and it's power is completely dependent upon how many living organisms Goku can ask for power from before getting distracted. Without PIS, no one would ever allow themselves to get hit by such an attack.

Even if Superman did get hit by the Spirit Bomb, I highly doubt it would do much, since Superman's shrugged off attacks the equivalent of multiple nuclear explosions(from what little I remember of his feats).

edit: Also, the Spirit Bomb won't work on the pure hearted..... and Superman is the embodiment of "pure".

That basically throws that plan out the window.

It's not about liking Goku, it's just that I think Superman would win
Exactly.

I was under the impression that the winner would be based upon who we actually thought would win, and not who we wanted to win.
 
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we need figures to settle this...
 

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What sort of figures?

Well, in terms out strength, Superman far-far-far outclasses Goku.

In his base form, Goku could barely move with 40 tons on him, and had to go SSJ in order to move around easily.

Superman has lifted objects weighing billions of tons, has changed the position of the moon (with the combined efforts of Wonder Woman and Green Lantern. I can't quite remember if Martian Manhunter was there or not), and has escaped the pull of black holes (a feat which destroys any of the arguments made for Goku because of his "training in 100 or whatever number times gravity" shtick. It also proves Superman's speed, since even light can't escape a black hole's pull, the escape velocity of a black hole must be faster than light.)
 
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figures as in sales. not a lowdown of franchises and history like what you made, i'm talking raw numbers, where we can see just how much each series made. NOT COUNTING SPINOFFS! meaning anything DBZ without in it goku playing a key role is not allowed, and superman spinoffs are not allowed too!
 

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Well, ya know, these figures aren't exactly easy to come by...

And how has the conversation suddenly turned from which character would win based on their powersets to which character sells more?
 
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because a hero is judged, not by their strength, but thir influence on the masses.
 
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