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Yeah true, it's like mashima is hiding the true's powers of gray..lol maybe his ace his going to be used against zeref or End ? Maybe even invel
I'm not sure, I think it's likely something that he's developed for E.N.D but like other Ice Devil Slayer spells it will work on regular opponents too. I also don't think it'll be a one time thing, by the sounds of it he's going to unveil it when he feels it's necessary, be it against Invel or E.N.D. Maybe he'll use a high end DeS spell on Invel which we'll think is his ace and then he'll use his true ace against E.N.D? Haha, I have no idea, Hiro's done this arc quite well in that regard.
 

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Obviously, he doesn't have it in him. Was he ever shown to be able to do this? Claiming that his father had that power and logically Gray has it too, is just like saying Natsu has access to every possible spell Igneel had. If it hasn't been shown in the manga, it's fan-fiction and theories.


Pay homage to the magic of his master? You just agreed a post ago that Gray was fighting seriously and he even said (more than once) that was NOT Ul, so why in the world would he pay homage to her magic? Also, you obviously missed the part where the spell he used to defeat Ul (along with Lyon) was an extension of his Ice Devil magic, something that was not taught to him by Ul, so I don't see how paying homage to her magic seemed like a valid argument to begin with.

If Gray is going to reach his full power and potential, it's through Ice Devil Slayer magic, and none of the spells you listed from his repertoire are part of it.

So, again, judging the fact that Gray AND Lyon had a hard time with Ul alone, I don't think Gray has it in him to singlehandedly take on a Spriggan. But we'll see, I guess. :)


Emotional fight? Where did Gray even get emotional in that fight? His resolve to fight her was definitely close to Erza's, but in his case, it wasn't enough. And are you really comparing severly injured Erza taking on three S-class opponents at once, one of which who's probably on the same level as Ul or possibly higher? Of course she'd lose. It's 3v1, whereas Gray & Lyon was 2v1. I'll let you do the math.

So far, Gray's performance was pretty underwhelming. His magic barely stopped a Spriggan, who doesn't even control Ice... So let's not get carried away, here. Gray has yet to show us his one-year training. :)
What do you mean he doesn't have it any him. He has slaying advantage, that alone gives him access to eating and consuming his own elemental magic. It's common sense tbh. What you said is about as absurd as saying Natsu can't consume fire. There's a massive difference between Igneel and Silver for the record. There's no fanfiction and theories on this one, it's simply rational to suggest otherwise. It's like saying Gajeel can't consume iron, or Cobra can't consume poison. Since you seem to have forgotten, Silver transferred his magic to his son, which means Gray has the acess to all of Silver's abilities, which is why he was able to use Demon's rage and absorb curses.

Gray was taking Ul seriously, but he wasn't fighting as seriously as your suggesting he is. He wasn't going to a point that he would revert to using DeS spells until later on, otherwise he would've released a stronger than say ice make geyser. Based on feats, ice make geyser doesn't even come close to even bottom half portion of his arsenals. Why can't Gray pay homage to the character who resembles Ul and has her powers? There's no rule that says you can only pay homage to the actual character standing in front of you. I'm not forgetting anything, I'm mainly talking about Gray's abilities to eat Silver's ice. Gray used des spells in his base form ftr.

That's irrelevant to what I'm talking about. Based on his repetoire, he has loads of spells that are superior to Ice make gesyer, but the didn't really use him because he was nerfed.. The point is Gray didn't summon any of his stronger attacks by feats on panel. He released an attack that wasn't exactly known to have solid feats.

Gray's performance was underwhelming because he was simply not going all out. Infact I'd say he wasn't even going all out in his natural base form either, based on what is seen so far compared to his battle against Silver. Gray's performance was dragged for Lyon to get character development, which is what the implications were clearly about. This wasn't a natural fight. It was an emotional and pyschological development one.

I'm sorry but you're sounding really ridiculous when you're judging how Gray's fighting prowess right now is through a fight that was:

-Off-paneled
-Nerfed Gray
-Both characters not fighting to their full potential
-Emotional, Pyschological battle.
-Dragged fight where we don't get to see any actual spells from Gray like how he fought Ultear, Silver for example.

and basing it off how that he can't solo a spriggan? Talk to me when you actually know Gray's full DeS powers and see it from hand. That's like saying an all out Laxus can oneshot August because a half dead Laxus oneshotted Hades, and applying it that way. That's how absurd you're sounding. :)

Gray was emotional, he had a serious and enraged face, when he looked at Ul. That clearly shows he was emotional than Erza. I'm not sure how you're not event thinking about the concept that it was tough on Gray seeing his mentor. Let me know when Erza is put into a similar situation, then you can talk. :)

That's exactly the point. We know that Erza gets her ass kicked by three characters but she won because she stared at them, and the fact that she won means it was a mental game. So Gray+Lyon facing Ul was a mental mind game it means this isn't close to a testatement of the character's own powers... So when it's a mental game, it makes it obvious so you do the math. :)

You're the one getting carried away here comparing a battle that wasn't suppose to determine a character's strength but more that had to do with character development and applying to how Gray is going to fare against a spriggan. Oh and to let you know Gray's casual display against a spriggan impressed him enough to compliment Gray. :)

The bold stand.

I do hope that you are truly not basing this fight as any indication to what Gray can do. It's not in anyway a testament to what Gray can do. Let's get that sorted out here especially at a fight that was off-paneled.:amuse

The battles against Historia doesn't account to anything. :)
 

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If he had it in him, why didn't he do that from the get-go? Ul countered their attacks multiple times, sending both Gray and Lyon flying backwards. It took one of their best spells and combined power to defeat her, while Laxus, Wendy and Erza defeated their opponents alone. One would think that with Gray's power-up in the Tartaros arc, he would've grown considerably in terms of power, but his fight with Ul was pretty underwhelming for a wizard of his caliber.

I do hope he has what it takes to even stand up to Invel, who is probably far above Ul's level.
He was clearly holding back for Lyon's sake even with his normal ice make moves. Just look at the scale of the moves he used. Compare the ice geyser he used against Ur:
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/483/8

to the massive wakes of ice he used against fodder in the Alvarez arc:
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/431/3
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/431/7

He created more AoE and destruction casually against fodder than he did against Ur with a named move. He definitely wasnt using his full strength.
We dont know that it took both of them together to beat her btw. Ur was oneshot. All of her durability and stamina was surpassed in one go. Neither Gray nor Lyon had gone all out before that point so its entirely possible that either of those moves would have been sufficient.

Obviously, he doesn't have it in him. Was he ever shown to be able to do this? Claiming that his father had that power and logically Gray has it too, is just like saying Natsu has access to every possible spell Igneel had. If it hasn't been shown in the manga, it's fan-fiction and theories.
Eating your element isnt a spell. Its just a natural feature of slayer magic. Do you really believe that Gray is the one slayer in existence who cant eat his own element?
 

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Obviously, he doesn't have it in him. Was he ever shown to be able to do this? Claiming that his father had that power and logically Gray has it too, is just like saying Natsu has access to every possible spell Igneel had. If it hasn't been shown in the manga, it's fan-fiction and theories.


Pay homage to the magic of his master? You just agreed a post ago that Gray was fighting seriously and he even said (more than once) that was NOT Ul, so why in the world would he pay homage to her magic? Also, you obviously missed the part where the spell he used to defeat Ul (along with Lyon) was an extension of his Ice Devil magic, something that was not taught to him by Ul, so I don't see how paying homage to her magic seemed like a valid argument to begin with.

If Gray is going to reach his full power and potential, it's through Ice Devil Slayer magic, and none of the spells you listed from his repertoire are part of it.

So, again, judging the fact that Gray AND Lyon had a hard time with Ul alone, I don't think Gray has it in him to singlehandedly take on a Spriggan. But we'll see, I guess. :)


Emotional fight? Where did Gray even get emotional in that fight? His resolve to fight her was definitely close to Erza's, but in his case, it wasn't enough. And are you really comparing severly injured Erza taking on three S-class opponents at once, one of which who's probably on the same level as Ul or possibly higher? Of course she'd lose. It's 3v1, whereas Gray & Lyon was 2v1. I'll let you do the math.

So far, Gray's performance was pretty underwhelming. His magic barely stopped a Spriggan, who doesn't even control Ice... So let's not get carried away, here. Gray has yet to show us his one-year training. :)
You know this argument is pretty ridiculous when you're throwing out objectivity out the window and not even considering how characters have options to what they can do. Gray has that power, because it was transferred to him , it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure something so simple. :superEvery slayer has the ability to consume their own elements, you're contradicting the own manga with your fallacious claims. It's not "fanfiction" or "theories", it's called reasonable deduction and adhering to logic. There's a difference between using spells, and consuming your own natural element. Take that into consideration next time you want to post instead of downplaying. :mono

Gray wasn't fighting all that seriously to begin with. He was only serious in dialogue and facial expressions but not in his actions considering his position and abilities being used don't reflect his temperament. He knows it's not Ul, but what difference does that make? Gray resorted to Ice Make because he didn't want to expend his magical energy considering there will be enemies he'll be fighting later. It's a common trait for fighters to not go all out from the start.

Even then, he held back his power in his base mode. He didn't even charge fully at Ul, he didnt' release the destruction and AOE he had in the avatar against fodder than he did against Ul. I'll let you know in a secret, Gray has a lot more stronger spells in his moveset than IM Geyser. The same IM Geyser that was stopped by BOS Lyon. All Gray used was nameless spells and that one.

Had Lyon had the same motivation that Gray did, Ul would've been safely done from the start, but Mashima wanted to hype up Ul by handicapping Gray even his base mode, and to provide development for Lyon's character.

Considering Ul's lack of durability, it's safe that IM Gungnir is capable of taking her out. Considering it took out Ultear who has durability feats compared to Ul, and this Gungnir is logically much stronger than the one Gray used on Ultear with SO+ 1 yr of training.

Gray can reach his full potential and full power in his DeS mode that's true, but it doesn't change the fact that Gray didn't use his full potential and full power even in his base mode.

You're judging on a character who was handicapped from using his full reserves, and still was enough to be in fine shape in the aftermath of it. Basing it off as it's some sort of test for what Gray will fare against a spriggan is a fallacy, and one of the ridiculous arguments I have ever heard in my time here. :facepalm So congrats on that one. Alvarez Princess nailed it perfectly, this was a mental mind game, and a psychological fight for development, not an actual real fight. :verily

All of the historia's battles that took place was a classification for how strong your mental mind is. If you can overcome the mental hurdle you can surely win the battle. How do you think grievously injured characters were able to oneshot their opponents? Erza's mental mind was so strong she looked them all in the eye and made them vanish from it. It's all in the mind. The stronger your mind, the weaker the historia's become. Love how you constantly neglect and ignore this battle with Ur was a lot more personal than the other historia fights. Whatever fits your narrative I guess. They can't even hold a candle in comparison to this one.

You don't believe DF Wendy who had a broken ankle can actually oneshot Tartaros Ezel. Do you? Good grief. :noworry

You mean the same spriggan, that dominated and low diffed Erza? Funny enough people put Erza in a battle against Irene and expect her to win when she got her ass kicked by a much inferior spriggan. :derpGray was aiming for the golems ftr to provide a distraction so Erza can wheel it out of there. Gray's motive was to escape by the orders of his guild master.
 
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I'd rather Invel's ice is not just ordinary ice, thus Gray vs him happens. While some thinks ice wizard vs ice wizard is quite boring, I find it interesting instead, especially for Gray. Gray was always smart in his past fights. And both side being smart (with Invel's magic being tricky) would be pretty surprising. I can see Invel will overwhelm Gray at first, and then Gray flips the table. Zeref is genius, he probably chose Invel to counter Gray.

I also can see Juvia will provide Gray with little assistance, as the other ship of big 4 (NaLu, GaLe, and Jerza) has been paired up before. The only ship of big 4 that hasn't been tested is GrUvia.

Anyway I want to see Gray's big fight in this arc. I'd be glad if this happens.
 

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I don't know what gray is going to do now..the last chapter hinted a gray/natsu vs zeref..but there are invel or even larcade for him..bruuh..and i want to see his trump card..
 
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Now that Gray's gotten up, I wonder what his thoughts are atm.
 

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personally i hope Gray is dying, gray vs End was the perfect moment for Gray to be consumed in Darkness and hate but no that was ruined with Fanservice and nakama shit... now Gray has forgotten his promise to his Father for what reason??
 

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Gray's got a lot to think about
  • The truth about END, and the credibility of Silver's pledge to go after END
  • The revelation of his own magic making him insane
  • How killing/fighting Natsu will impact him, and his friends/nakama
  • Juvia being alive, how she saved him, and what he wanted to say to her (he might wait for after the war for this)
  • Makarov's death
 

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Gray's got a lot to think about
  • The truth about END, and the credibility of Silver's pledge to go after END
  • The revelation of his own magic making him insane
  • How killing/fighting Natsu will impact him, and his friends/nakama
  • Juvia being alive, how she saved him, and what he wanted to say to her (he might wait for after the war for this)
  • Makarov's death
Matters with Juvia will be dealt at the end of the war as they should be, Gray now is totally conflicted. He is lost.

@**Salty**

Of course he hasn't forgotten about Silver's task of killing END. He's what was driving him before the mess with Invel.

Killing END doesn't necessarily mean Natsu has to die. He can be saved ;) this way Gray keeps the promise to his father and also his best friend (and waifu). Win win!

I seriously don't think there will be another legit battle with Natsu or END, Gray definitely will take part in saving him. I think the last sentence of 512 about family kinda foreshadowed it.

I cannot wait to see his ace, hopefully it isn't related to Iced Shell
 

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I would say if the END (or partial END) vs Gray fight proved anything that Gray is on par with the other S class Mages at the moment. If he can go toe to toe with not only a full power Natsu but END as well then that says alot as far as where he lies power wise. Assuming he was even going all out against Natsu's half demon transformation he was still holding his own and even getting some good shots in as well. Also remember he still has whatever is up his sleeve for Zeref which he's never revealed. I'll assume that that technique whatever it is will be his full power.

If Demon slayers also work similarly to dragon slayers I wouldn't be surprised if he has a demonforce transformation or something along those lines. But thats a bit far fetched at the moment.
 

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Pretty sure he's going to go where zeref is..for more answer..or to use his ace and get stomp after that
No way is Mashima letting Gray get stomped. He would've done by now during their encounter.
 

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No way is Mashima letting Gray get stomped. He would've done by now during their encounter.
I mean if he fights zeref alone..there's a high chance that gray will lose badly to him..
 

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I'd like to hear your opinions on this guys...

After the recent chapters I cannot help but wonder how the hell Gray will play in the Acnologia fight (which will supposedly happen in a different arc). Compared to the other team Natsu members, he is really distant and disconnected to this story line for playing a main role in it.

Natsu: he's END, he's a Dragon Slayer and Plotsu :eyeroll
Wendy: she's a DS.
Lucy: main character + Nalu angst
Erza: she was really out of this too but Irene Belserion happened. She will gain dragon powers for sure.

Gray's story is definitely wrapping up since by the end of this arc he will eventually come to terms with END and I'd say Zeref too.

It's obvious that he will be there when this Acno fight happens but how? Other than Tenroujima he hasn't a strong connection to him like the others... so, idk, I am curious to see what Mashima will do with Gray after this arc.

@Wanderer
 

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I would say if the END (or partial END) vs Gray fight proved anything that Gray is on par with the other S class Mages at the moment. If he can go toe to toe with not only a full power Natsu but END as well then that says alot as far as where he lies power wise. Assuming he was even going all out against Natsu's half demon transformation he was still holding his own and even getting some good shots in as well. Also remember he still has whatever is up his sleeve for Zeref which he's never revealed. I'll assume that that technique whatever it is will be his full power.

If Demon slayers also work similarly to dragon slayers I wouldn't be surprised if he has a demonforce transformation or something along those lines. But thats a bit far fetched at the moment.
Well that was Gray running off of his "darkness", which was a big PoF boost and I'd say it was only because of that that he managed to hold up against the demonising Natsu as he did. Without it, he'd of been taken out a lot easier, and we did see Natsu brush off Gray's attacks pretty easily and start to get a bit of an edge (just my take on it) in the fight, so Gray wouldn't be able to go toe to toe with even that for too long before he gets completely overpowered. His best feat this arc is via PoF vs Invel which diminishes the feat a bit. As for his trump card, I'm pretty sure he revealed that against Invel, and that was the tattoo on his arm which contains Silver's magical power. Unlike the Igneel one, Gray still has that which probably means either he doesn't use all of that magic up at once and that can still probably be used to help pack more of a punch when attacking. If his trump card is something different, but I don't think it would be devil force or something like that, for the demon slayers to have it would then mean the god slayers should have it and we know the god slayer one isn't happening.
 

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Gray's sort of stuck in this Relevant-Not Relevant state in this arc. I do hope he'll actually have a lot to do with the endgame though, him being Natsu's best friend after Happy and all.
 

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Well that was Gray running off of his "darkness", which was a big PoF boost and I'd say it was only because of that that he managed to hold up against the demonising Natsu as he did. Without it, he'd of been taken out a lot easier, and we did see Natsu brush off Gray's attacks pretty easily and start to get a bit of an edge (just my take on it) in the fight, so Gray wouldn't be able to go toe to toe with even that for too long before he gets completely overpowered. His best feat this arc is via PoF vs Invel which diminishes the feat a bit. As for his trump card, I'm pretty sure he revealed that against Invel, and that was the tattoo on his arm which contains Silver's magical power. Unlike the Igneel one, Gray still has that which probably means either he doesn't use all of that magic up at once and that can still probably be used to help pack more of a punch when attacking. If his trump card is something different, but I don't think it would be devil force or something like that, for the demon slayers to have it would then mean the god slayers should have it and we know the god slayer one isn't happening.
You act as if Natsu isn't running off a big PoF boost either. Gray would've taken out Natsu if he ended up using his trump card. Gray also brushed off Natsu's attacks fairly easily and pushed him back, he even made him eat dirt in the ground. Gray also overpowered Natsu during their exchange.

Typical underestimation of Gray and overestimation of Natsu by Samuel. What fight where you watching? Why make baseless assumptions that Gray couldn't go toe to toe and that he was overpowered if he didn't have POF? I can easily suggest that Gray dominated Natsu in spurts. His best feat in this arc is against END. That is fact.

Gray didn't use his trump card. He was using devil slaying magic. Explain why he didn't have the tattoo when he was using DeS in the avatar? Simple solution: It was a plot hole.

Difference is Gray is a main character and so devil slayers will play a vital role for a powerup as opposed to god slayers.
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ATDFRHKLAOTZLFKSODUNFNFKADKD HUH!?

Gray stalemated Natsu in physical strength

Gray is severely underestimated.

Natsu is not that OP.

Natsu isn't that OP. He's still below Laxus, and logically Gray can take him out with his DeS magic.
 
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