Discussion Gray Fullbuster Thread

[Arjuna]

What i feel is that Hiro is keeping Gray for the fight against END.If END is on the level of Zeref then you need an opponent who will be fresh.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

I feel that too but that would mean that gray isn't going to have a fight except End ?

 

[Char]

1) How strong is Gray right now?
Around Erza's level using Devil Slayer mode. Lacking feats other than freezing Ajeel's sand.
I feel like Natsu's team has powered up a lot recently, particularly Natsu, Gray and Lucy. Base Natsu probably rivals Erza and DS Gray. Lucy's star dress magic has proven to be quite dangerous as well: she's become an OK hand to hand fighter + her intellect helped in defeating a Spriggan. Plus, if she's got Marin's magic now, she's quite the useful mague now.

2) Who does he fight?
I think he's bound to fight Invel. However, he recently fought Ur and he did quite well without using his DS ability. He'd have been overkill had he used it: he could have eaten Ur's ice.

3) What secret move does he have up his sleeve?
I don't really think he has anything up his sleeve. He wants to defeat E.N.D. but as soon as he finds out Natsu is END, he probably won't want to kill him. He might want to use Iced Shell on Zeref, which would make sense.

4) Personality/Appearance this arc
Phisically looking amazing in DS mode. His physical appearance otherwise is his regular appearance

 

[Ice devil slayer]

I really hate how the fights so far are being unfairly distributed. It seems like the powerhouses in the Tartaros, GMG, Tenrou, etc. have continued to get their spotlights over and over.


Gray needs to fight a Spriggan solo ASAP. I don't want the BS thing where Natsu and Gajeel bite more than they can swallow and then Gray comes in to save them.


Although I would like to see an enemy where Natsu and Gajeel lose to... if Gray somehow finishes off that enemy, then I just know people will come up with the excuse:



"Oh, well, you see, Natsu and Gajeel technically did a lot of damage to that enemy, so Gray only cleaned it up with the help of Natsu and Gajeel"



I'm tired of excuses such as those and "effective only against demons", that I'd rather Gray not bail anybody out.


And I don't want a Gray & Partner vs. Spriggan. Cuz then people will use the excuse that Gray had the help of a sidekick. It's about time Gray get a serious one on one so we can finally gauge and settle the score about Gray's power.


So far, the list of enemies that Gray can fight have significantly dwindled:


August (taken)... Probably by Natsu...again...

Bloodman (taken) by Gajeel

Eileen (taken)..... Lol, this woman will probably challenge Acnologia or be taken out by the time Gray gets there


so that ultimately leaves:


Rahkeid - I would imagine that Mira might fight him because they are the only 2 powerhouses left in the North unless Mira fights Eileen

Invel- Ugghhh, another ice user. If Gray fights him, I know that there will be some excuse about "Gray being immune or having some kind of advantage"


Zeref and Acnologia- Probably gonna be fighting END....AGAIN #&$*#$%......


Brandish- Seems like the only decent one left...but then either Lucy is gonna help him out or Brandish will be defeated by talk no jutsu



So.... yeah, I'm done..... Gray will never get a chance to prove himself let alone one spotlight....

Don't worry dude i'm pretty sure gray is going to prove himself beating a spriggans or even going against zeref for the book..i would love to see that..

 

[darkenedreality]

Dude, everyone needs help in this war. The only person who had a solo fight against a Spirrgan is Laxus and yet he still had help from Freed. The theme is teamwork, even Natsu was no exception.

He's going to fight Invel, likely with Juvia. Its been foreshadowed since forever ago. Gray will still prove himself anyway.

 

[Nemispelled]

To be honest, Gray still has a chance of getting a decent fight in, but as I said before, there aren't many Spriggan left for him to fight.

Literally, as of last chapter, most of the Spriggans are forming their 1 on 1.

The most likely Spriggan right now is Invel, but I don't want another Ice vs Ice again. Too many excuses can be made with that.


Teamwork may be important, but Gray has had plenty of that in the past. I need to see Current Gray solo against a Spriggan (whether he wins or loses, I don't care), I just need to see the full extent of his battle.

I don't like excuses and especially if they aren't true.

Everybody else has had their fight (with the exception of Gray, Mira, and Gildartz), so I kinda know where they are on the scale. I need to see a real fight with no excuses of Gray vs. Spriggan.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

I wonder why mashima is so hesitant to show gray's true powers..i mean everyone is going to have a fight except him..dammit..the two left for him are now
Invel
Zeref (unlikely)

 

[The President]

I'd like to think that Gray will fight Invel but Hiro has been anything but predictable with his match-ups this arc, literally every match-up fans claimed were bound to happen did not end up happening.

Dimaria Vs Erza
Natsu Vs Ajeel
Gajeel Vs Wahl
Jellal Vs August
Strauss Siblings Vs Bradman

Given the theme here, the chances that Gray will fight Invel aren't as high as they should be. I could equally see someone like Jellal fighting Invel because Invel wouldn't allow Jellal to attack Zeref (which is his primary goal). With that said Gray will obviously take part in another battle to demonstrate his trump card (Demon Mode I am assuming), whether its a primary or secondary role. It might be against Invel. It might be against a Natsu turned badshitcrazy as END (though its possible that Natsu himself is END and there is no actual demon alter ego) or it might even be a part against Zeref, the closest thing to END who he won't kill once he finds out its. Natsu.

 

[darkenedreality]

I'd like to think that Gray will fight Invel but Hiro has been anything but predictable with his match-ups this arc, literally every match-up fans claimed were bound to happen did not end up happening.

Dimaria Vs Erza
Natsu Vs Ajeel
Gajeel Vs Wahl
Jellal Vs August
Strauss Siblings Vs Bradman

Given the theme here, the chances that Gray will fight Invel aren't as high as they should be. I could equally see someone like Jellal fighting Invel because Invel wouldn't allow Jellal to attack Zeref (which is his primary goal). With that said Gray will obviously take part in another battle to demonstrate his trump card (Demon Mode I am assuming), whether its a primary or secondary role. It might be against Invel. It might be against a Natsu turned badshitcrazy as END (though its possible that Natsu himself is END and there is no actual demon alter ego) or it might even be a part against Zeref, the closest thing to END who he won't kill once he finds out its. Natsu.

Thing is there is literally no one left for Gray to fight except Invel now. Everyone else is matched up. Mashima said in a volume after word during the Tartaros arc that some characters are destined to fight: the example was Gray and Silver. This time, Gray and Invel should be obvious.

 

[Tinitus]

Gray needs to get a taste of fighting a Spriggan. Everyone had their chances, even less important characters did.
My man needs to show some of that demon slaying magic feats on them already.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

How strong full power gray will be for you ?

 

[Mirage]

1) Right below Erza

2) Invel, then E.N.D.

3) No idea, but Jellal also has something for Zeref. Would be cool to see Gray and Jellal tag team Zeref.

4) This is what he'll say to E.N.D.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

1) Right below Erza

2) Invel, then E.N.D.

3) No idea, but Jellal also has something for Zeref. Would be cool to see Gray and Jellal tag team Zeref.

4) This is what he'll say to E.N.D.

Oh man jellal/gray vs zeref would be so hype and so cool

 

[Nemispelled]

1) Right below Erza

2) Invel, then E.N.D.

3) No idea, but Jellal also has something for Zeref. Would be cool to see Gray and Jellal tag team Zeref.

4) This is what he'll say to E.N.D.

I mean this is all fine... but..

How will Gray even last 1 second against END if he is just below Erza in terms of how strong he is?

Gray has to be at least 10x the power of Erza, Gajeel, and Jellal combined in order to take down or at least fight END.

We are talking that END is on the power of maybe Acnologia.


So I don't know why people say Gray is below or around Erza and Gajeel, yet can fight END in like 15-20 chapters later.


Gray already had his 1 year timeskip training, if he is only around Erza's level right now, it will take him 15 years timeskip training just to be on par with END.


So, either Gray is way stronger than everybody else is portraying him to be, or he won't be the one fighting END.

Personally, I think that he will fight END, so I believe he is stronger than Laxus at this moment. If you ask me personally, I believe Gray is pretty much on par with Natsu and Gildartz currently.



EDIT:


Erza couldn't even beat Ajeel. Let alone Zeref. Let alone Acnologia and END.

So Gray at least has to be stronger than Erza at this point imo.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

I mean this is all fine... but..

How will Gray even last 1 second against END if he is just below Erza in terms of how strong he is?

Gray has to be at least 10x the power of Erza, Gajeel, and Jellal combined in order to take down or at least fight END.

We are talking that END is on the power of maybe Acnologia.


So I don't know why people say Gray is below or around Erza and Gajeel, yet can fight END in like 15-20 chapters later.


Gray already had his 1 year timeskip training, if he is only around Erza's level right now, it will take him 15 years timeskip training just to be on par with END.


So, either Gray is way stronger than everybody else is portraying him to be, or he won't be the one fighting END.

Personally, I think that he will fight END, so I believe he is stronger than Laxus at this moment. If you ask me personally, I believe Gray is pretty much on par with Natsu and Gildartz currently.



EDIT:


Erza couldn't even beat Ajeel. Let alone Zeref. Let alone Acnologia and END.

So Gray at least has to be stronger than Erza at this point imo.

Yeah i think he has to be at least as strong as laxus if he wants to stand more than 1 minutes against End..i think he would be very very strong if he has an demon form

 

[Mirage]

I mean this is all fine... but..

How will Gray even last 1 second against END if he is just below Erza in terms of how strong he is?

Gray has to be at least 10x the power of Erza, Gajeel, and Jellal combined in order to take down or at least fight END.

We are talking that END is on the power of maybe Acnologia.


So I don't know why people say Gray is below or around Erza and Gajeel, yet can fight END in like 15-20 chapters later.


Gray already had his 1 year timeskip training, if he is only around Erza's level right now, it will take him 15 years timeskip training just to be on par with END.


So, either Gray is way stronger than everybody else is portraying him to be, or he won't be the one fighting END.

Personally, I think that he will fight END, so I believe he is stronger than Laxus at this moment. If you ask me personally, I believe Gray is pretty much on par with Natsu and Gildartz currently.



EDIT:


Erza couldn't even beat Ajeel. Let alone Zeref. Let alone Acnologia and END.

So Gray at least has to be stronger than Erza at this point imo.

Because we're talking about right now. Gray might not even fight END by himself. The whole guild could be involved.

Erza currently has better feats than anything Gray has shown.

There's legit no point in putting Gray above Laxus or Jellal or Erza if you're only argument is because he'll solo END. Might as well put Gray above everyone in the manga then.

Might as well put Jellal above everyone too since he's going to take down Zeref right?

 

[Nemispelled]

Because we're talking about right now. Gray might not even fight END by himself. The whole guild could be involved.

Erza currently has better feats than anything Gray has shown.

Like I said, even right now, he has to be stronger than Erza. In order for him to be weaker than Erza right now and then all of sudden, a lot stronger than Erza... that would take many more timeskips

If Mashima is going to make Gray stronger than Erza, he might as well have done it over the last 1 year timeskip.


It's not like Erza > Gray until the chapter that END shows up.


The whole guild vs END would do no good. That's just like putting 100000000 Max and Warren in front of Acnologia.


A powerful Gray vs. END is a lot better than a 90% fodder-filled guild vs. END.


The day that END comes, Gray needs to be stronger. There is no way out of that.


Erza couldn't beat Ajeel as of recently and END/Acnologia would fodderize Ajeel like there was no tomorrow. You do know that G. Serena >> Ajeel, and even G. Serena was fodderized by Acnologia recently?????

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There's legit no point in putting Gray above Laxus or Jellal or Erza if you're only argument is because he'll solo END. Might as well put Gray above everyone in the manga then.

Might as well put Jellal above everyone too since he's going to take down Zeref right?

That is exactly what I am doing. I predict that Gray at his full power with his strongest form is on par with Natsu and Gildartz as of the recent chapter.

I believe that because I believe Gray will be the one to fight END. I'm not saying he will win, I'm saying he will fight (meaning he has to at least last 5 min on the guy).


I don't have to put Jellal that high in the ranks because I don't think he will take down Zeref. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Mirage]

It's not like Erza > Gray until the chapter that END shows up.

It's actually very much like that. Though more accurately, Erza > Gray until Gray shows feats that are above Erza's. Pretty simple. You don't just get to go around saying "lol Gray > everyone because he'll take down END".

1. That's not how power-scaling works.
2. You're not Hiro. So unless you can confirm to me that Gray will actually solo E.N.D from the beginning until the end of the fight, then Gray isn't above Erza.

Go blame Hiro for not giving Gray any notable x792 feats yet.

 

[Nemispelled]

It's actually very much like that. Though more accurately, Erza > Gray until Gray shows feats that are above Erza's. Pretty simple. You don't just get to go around saying "lol Gray > everyone because he'll take down END".

1. That's not how power-scaling works.
2. You're not Hiro. So unless you can confirm to me that Gray will actually solo E.N.D from the beginning until the end of the fight, then Gray isn't above Erza.

Go blame Hiro for not giving Gray any notable x792 feats yet.

Well, first off, I don't act like that. Just because I think Gray is cool and have a picture of him on my avatar and signature does not mean I put him above everyone.


Imo, Gray has already shown feats above Erza. But even if he hasn't, then it's obvious that he is above Erza for the reason of END.


Every good writer of a literary piece of work knows that you can't just make Erza > Gray until the day that END shows up.


Then, all of a sudden, Gray is 10x stronger than Erza???


When it comes to fleshing out a story, progression is key. Gray has gradually grown stronger and is now stronger than Erza.


You must be a bad author if Erza > Gray, and then when END shows up.... Gray >>>> Erza. There is no plot to that.




And personally, I, Nemispelled, don't care how your guys' powerscaling works nor do I care to follow the rules of your powerscalings.


Everybody is trying to claim that their favorite character is the strongest in the powerscaling thread.

The reason why you don't see me on that thread constantly is because I don't care about biased arguments. I'm here to tell you what's logical and how I think a good story/plot looks like.


People can powerscale all they want, meanwhile, I'll be doing better things.



Obviously I'm not Mashima, but in order for things to be logical, Gray has to be stronger than most of his peers by this point. I'm not blaming Mashima for anything. But I don't like asspulls, even if it is Gray doing the asspulls.

 

[Mirage]

Gray doesn't have better feats than Erza. Erza was hanging with a Spriggan for a bit while Gray has pretty much done nothing in x792.

Like I said, might as well put Gray above anyone then if you're only argument here is "he'll beat END", which isn't even confirmed.

I don't see the harm in patientally waiting for Gray to get feats.