Fantasy Gray vs Mirajane

[Jko]

Okay, but that's even worse. That means she simply doesn't have enough power to keep using her takeovers, and that Eflman and Bixlow didn't even have to beat her to exhaust her. Mirajane didn't recover usage of Sitri until after she trained. Or if you think Mirajane can always use Sitri, then Mirajane simply can't use Sitri after fighting Elfman and Evergreen with Satan Soul....which is even worse than not being able to use Satan Soul repeatedly.

She didn't do as well as Erza. Erza tanked shots from the Tenrou Tree, and was able to fight Hades afterwards.

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With what? She used the same attacks against Freed that she used against Elfman. If she held back, it was only after she used her best attacks. Nobody was there around to see her fight Freed, and Mirajane wouldn't have cared about people seeing her when she fought Azuma.

Erza only tanked the Tenrou tree shot bcs the magic was protecting her both times. Azuma f-ed himelf over when he used that the tree's power lol.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 8, 2020 ---

It is literally called power of emotions. Magic comes from emotions, and characters get stronger the more emotional they are.

Power of Emotions doesn't surpass your limits either. A character's limit is how strong they are at their maximum emotional state. Just because you are tapping into POF, doesn't mean you're breaking the power-scale. Is this punch surpassing all of Natsu's limits? Obviously not. But it's enough for Ignia to note that his emotions make him stronger.

Spoiler

Yes, Gildarts used power of emotions when he beat Bluenote. He also had power of emotions to beat that monster as well. Like I said, pretty much everyone in Fairy Tail use power of emotion practically all the time. It's simply a matter of how emotional they get. Mirajane was emotional when she fought Freed. In fact her emotions was what allowed her to regain the usage of her magic at all. She was even more emotional when she fought Azuma. It just wasn't enough to boost her by ridiculous levels. Not every character use POF equally well.

Natsu gets stronger bcs he uses the Flame of Emotion tho. His flames are tied to his emotional state. His flames and Zeref's Curse are the only two magics that work by this mechanic. PoF however is just the feeling of using your friends as power source to fight. It's boosting you to bs levels. PoF isn't evenly distributed that's true, but everytime someone used it they were boosted to level above their opponents so they could win the fight. Laxus, Erza, Natsu, Gajeel, Wendy, and others just got the boost to stand up and surpass their limits because they had the power of PoF backing them. I don't think Zero, ToH Jellal, Acno, Hades or Mard Geer were using PoF to fight against the heroes bcs if they had PoF backing them then they would have won since PoF + Superior power > PoF + Inferior Power.

If that's what you guys call PoF then everyone uses PoF it (Good guys and Bad guys) which doesn't make sense. The things done by "PoF"Gild or Mira can be done under the same conditions w/o PoF. Gild nor Mira needed PoF to smash their opponents as the gap was pretty obvious. Also Mira didn't regain her magic bcs she got PoF vibes, she regained it bcs she went passed her trauma to save Elfman's life. Her magical power and magic has always been inside her lol.

 

[Ramen]

@Plutogrim just made one.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 8, 2020, Original Post Date: Mar 8, 2020 ---

I think it's safe to say that Mira beats Gray

 

[Karna]

Lol, Gray wins this, he off paneled them.

 

[WoWfan]

he struggled against a weakened Mira and he went all out

 

[Jko]

he struggled against a weakened Mira and he went all out

Lol, people really tryna refute clear as day statements, and feats that place Mira above Gray... .

 

[Veni Vidi Vici]

Gray should've easily won

 

[WoWfan]

But it didn’t happen, it was much more difficult for him even with all the advantages

 

[Loke]

Still Mira if she gave him a high diff fight whilst injured. Also portrayal is practically screaming at us that she would clap him under normal circumstances

 

[Ramen]

Forget feats, hype alone would put her over Gray

 

[LaGOAT]

To me it’s a toss up

 

[**Silver**]

Still Mira if she gave him a high diff fight whilst injured. Also portrayal is practically screaming at us that she would clap him under normal circumstances

Gray defeated both Mirajane and Elfman so elfman is suddenly fodder and one-shotable material? how ridiculous mirajane fans can be are you even reading the same manga?

add there Slayer advantage mirajane is fucked

 

[WoWfan]

Not a mira fan, but Mira was weakened at that point, and Gray was stated to have given it his all, even Elfman managed to fight even DE for however long he was in his base form

 

[Loke]

Gray defeated both Mirajane and Elfman so elfman is suddenly fodder and one-shotable material? how ridiculous mirajane fans can be are you even reading the same manga?

add there Slayer advantage mirajane is fucked

Yeah, there's no indication he fought Elfman at all. And the only one not reading the manga is you. How many times do they have to mention Mira being injured for you to process that it was intended as a loophole for victory?

 

[WoWfan]

The fact that he went all out and still struggled to death?

 

[AmitDS]

@Plutogrim just made one.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 8, 2020, Original Post Date: Mar 8, 2020 ---

I think it's safe to say that Mira beats Gray

Yup. I mean heavily injured Mirajane gave him extreme diff after all.

 

[Ramen]

@AmitDS I'm banned from the power ranking thread so I'll respond to you here.

No one mentioned Mira. The fact that she has a vote (ngl I thought it was you) proves that she's wanked. Most likely it was a joke but you never know. I have Mira=Gajeel and S-Class doesn't mean anything anymore. Most members are S-Class level anyways and above. It all depends on strength now and Gildarts and Natsu (at times) are a cut above the rest.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 23, 2020, Original Post Date: Mar 23, 2020 ---

Yup. I mean heavily injured Mirajane gave him extreme diff after all.

Yep.

 

[AmitDS]

Okay, but that's even worse. That means she simply doesn't have enough power to keep using her takeovers, and that Eflman and Bixlow didn't even have to beat her to exhaust her. Mirajane didn't recover usage of Sitri until after she trained. Or if you think Mirajane can always use Sitri, then Mirajane simply can't use Sitri after fighting Elfman and Evergreen with Satan Soul....which is even worse than not being able to use Satan Soul repeatedly.

She didn't do as well as Erza. Erza tanked shots from the Tenrou Tree, and was able to fight Hades afterwards.

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With what? She used the same attacks against Freed that she used against Elfman. If she held back, it was only after she used her best attacks. Nobody was there around to see her fight Freed, and Mirajane wouldn't have cared about people seeing her when she fought Azuma.

You have no evidence that she 'recovered' use of sitri. Simply put Mashima didn't introduce it in the story until the GMG but used Erza's statement to show that it was something she had before.

No it means that satan soul is not magic she could have used over and over at that time. And it's your opinion what's worse etc.
She did do as well as Erza. Her weakest satan soul was performing just like erza was in her std armors. Go re-read the fight. She surprised Azuma, tanks his attacks, hurt him and they went at it. Only instances where she was distracted by Lisanna or noticed that time was running out, showed him getting notable advantages over her. Both her and Erza also said that they would need to use all of their magic to beat him which is another parallel. Erza only won because the tree and the ft mages' magic supported her but other than that Mira's level was clearly shown in that fight.

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@AmitDS I'm banned from the power ranking thread so I'll respond to you here.

No one mentioned Mira. The fact that she has a vote (ngl I thought it was you) proves that she's wanked. Most likely it was a joke but you never know. I have Mira=Gajeel and S-Class doesn't mean anything anymore. Most members are S-Class level anyways and above. It all depends on strength now and Gildarts and Natsu (at times) are a cut above the rest.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 23, 2020, Original Post Date: Mar 23, 2020 ---

Yep.

I actually voted for Gildarts.... I've never said or implied that Mirajane is the strongest anywhere. And I did see a post say she was the most wanked in the forum hence my response. Also S class still means something because all of them are wanked. Yes many ft members are NOW on the level Mirajane/Erza/Laxus etc WERE when they became s class mages however that's not really what I'm referring too. I'm not saying that they are strong because they are S class but that the s class mages who were the top members years ago are still the top members for the most part now. So the S class mages and Jellal are still special and wanked. Mira's above Gajeel if she's above Gray from what I can see.

 

[Axiomus]

You have no evidence that she 'recovered' use of sitri. Simply put Mashima didn't introduce it in the story until the GMG but used Erza's statement to show that it was something she had before.

No it means that satan soul is not magic she could have used over and over at that time. And it's your opinion what's worse etc.
She did do as well as Erza. Her weakest satan soul was performing just like erza was in her std armors. Go re-read the fight. She surprised Azuma, tanks his attacks, hurt him and they went at it. Only instances where she was distracted by Lisanna or noticed that time was running out, showed him getting notable advantages over her. Both her and Erza also said that they would need to use all of their magic to beat him which is another parallel. Erza only won because the tree and the ft mages' magic supported her but other than that Mira's level was clearly shown in that fight.

Clearly if Mirajane couldn't use Satan Soul repeatedly, it's because of the magic power it takes to sustain it. She literally said she didn't think her magic was going to hold out for too long. Either way, if Mirajane couldn't use Sitri on Tenrou despite desperately needing it, then that tells us everything we need to know.

Spoiler

The Tenrou Tree didn't give Erza any advantages that it didn't also grant to any other member of Fairy Tail when it was standing, including Mirajane. The tree offers divine protection from death to all members who held the mark and boosts their magic power. All the tree did for Erza is grant the same protection it always gave to everyone else, despite Azuma believing he had it under his control. In fact, Erza may not even had had the boost to MP when she beat Azuma. The boost to MP only came back when Ultear actually restored the Tree.

Spoiler: Tree offers divine protection from death, and increases the MP to the members of the guild

Spoiler: Azuma noting that the tree was still protecting Erza despite being under his control

Erza banked on beating Azuma by putting all her power into an attack and foregoing her defenses. Then she went ahead and actually did it. Mirajane contemplated the possibility of putting all her power into an attack. Then, after thinking about it for a few seconds, she realized that she doesn't have enough power to beat him. This isn't really a parallel to what Erza did. I mean, at face value Erza did what Mirajane thought she could not. The fact that Erza went on to fight Hades after beating Azuma makes her objectively better.

Spoiler: Mirajane admitting that she doesn't have enough power to defeat Azuma

Putting her above Gray doesn't make you a wanker. Putting her now close to Laxus or Erza (with the insane shit she has) is a stretch. I've seen people now say she can probably give Gildarts a good fight and it's like um.....nah

Yeah, I don't really have a problem with saying Mirajane is stronger than Gray. Putting her on Erza or Laxus' level is a huge stretch though.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

Gray defeated both Mirajane and Elfman so elfman is suddenly fodder and one-shotable material? how ridiculous mirajane fans can be are you even reading the same manga?

add there Slayer advantage mirajane is fucked

Elfman was hit with Lucy’s SDM nuke and then was heavily injured by Madmole and is weaker than both Gray and Mira to begin with so he was pretty much no help at this point.

 

[Plutogrim]

Alvarez Gray mid diff Alvarez Mirajane.
100YQ Mirajane high diff 100YQ Gray.