Group Group A

[Axiomus]

Natsu (1st or 2nd place)
With his Dragon Force, which stacks with his Fire Dragon King spells, Natsu's is arguably the strongest on Ishgar's side in this war. Demolition Fist has been shown to erase Zeref's body if it lands a direct hit, making it the most lethal attack in this tournament. Even without his Dragon Force, Natsu has proven himself to be capable of taking down Spriggans without too much difficulty.

Irene (1st or 2nd place)
In her dragon form, she is immune to the attacks of Mirajane and Lucy. The Dragon Slayers have the potential to knock her out of her dragon form, though I would say it would probably take one of the stronger ones like Natsu, God Serena, or Sting to do it. Deus Sema has the potential to take down many of the fighters in this match. Irene's physical strength and defense is arguably the strongest in this tournament.

Sting (3rd place)
Sting was capable of taking down Larcade, who is considered above average for a Spriggan. This puts Sting at least on the level of an average Spriggan, and I would argue even stronger. Personally, I put Sting a fair bit ahead of God Serena for this reason. WSD rough silk has the potential to take out most Spriggan level opponents, making Sting one of the best fighters on Ishgar's side.

God Serena (4th place)
Is a Spriggan level dragon slayer. As a Spriggan, God Serena has a magical power on the level of Ajeel/Brandish. As a dragon slayer, God Serena specializes in direct combat. He has fairly impressive durability, attack power, and versatility. He doesn't quite stack up against the rest of the top 4 because he is technically an average Spriggan, but he's definitely got a solid shot at victory.

Lucy/Mirajane/Wendy (Eliminated w/Potential to Pass)
With the Spirit King, Lucy has access to a Mard Geer level spirit. This may be enough to make her competitive against God Serena or Irene. The Spirit King may be stronger over the timeskip, but I make a point of judging things based off what's been shown in the manga canon so far. I would not be opposed to Lucy bumping off either Sting or God Serena in this match. Mirajane managed to beat Jacob, though Jacob is an average Spriggan and he had to close his eyes for Mirajane to win. IMO, Mirajane is not quite on the same level as a Spriggan, but she is approaching their levels. Wendy is obviously not at the Spriggan level, but her performance against them has been admirable.

Cobra (Eliminated)
Unfortunately, Cobra is simply outclassed.

 

[**Silver**]

1.Cobra.
2.Lucy
3.Wendy
4,Sting

 

[Star Frost]

Natsu, Irene and God Serena are so easily to pick but I can't decide between Sting, Lucy, and Wendy.

 

[Arjuna]

I don't see Lucy sacrificing one of her keys just to win a fight against Sting.

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1. Irene Balsamic
Easily the strongest of the lot. Not much room for debate.

2. God Serena
He could probably eat Natsu's flames since they come from separate types of fire, then combat him with seven other types of DS magic. He also had some crazy eyed form which we didn't get to see the extent of, but base GS embarrassingly curbstomped 2 through 5 of the Wizard Saints.

3. Summer Dragneel
DF Natsu post-time skip was a bit of a letdown but still outclasses the rest of the list.

4. Maryjane Sauce
Toss up between her and Sting, but Sting's always been kind of squishy, and we haven't seen him go against someone whose magic he can't eat and negate. All we know is that he can beat literally any light mage. Speaking of, wouldn't Larcade's magic have actually been a curse, since he's a demon? I think Mira has enough destructive power and speed to blitz him all to hell. My vote goes to Mira.

The organisers of this tournament have already said that Lucy can sacrifice one key in every round to summon CSK and after that round that key will be restored.


And yeah one more thing Larcade uses Magic not Curses.Etherious have shown the ability to use magics as well.

 

[LaGOAT]

Natsu Irene god serena and sting this is in order

 

[**Silver**]

The organisers of this tournament have already said that Lucy can sacrifice one key in every round to summon CSK and after that round that key will be restored.


And yeah one more thing Larcade uses Magic not Curses.Etherious have shown the ability to use magics as well.

CSKis still Base Mard level...

 

[LaGOAT]

Eileen, Natsu, God Serena and Lucy.
Imo CSK would be the strongest fighter here with Lucy's improvements.

Csk is at mard geer lvl at best wdsm sting will take that last spot IMO wsdm sting=base natsu base natsu=>Tartarus DF natsu who is around mard geer lvl

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CSKis still Base Mard level...

Hahahhaha true

 

[Seven777]

Csk is at mard geer lvl at best wdsm sting will take that last spot IMO wsdm sting=base natsu base natsu=>Tartarus DF natsu who is around mard geer lvl

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Hahahhaha true

Im scaling him to where i think Lucy is at right now. Lucy, a fodder of Alvarez was able to pull out CSK at the level of the final boss of the arc, Mard Geer. Current Lucy imo, is at a level that would be able to summon CSK with strength on par or maybe even exceeding Zeref's.
Its no different to scaling say Laxus' Roaring Thunder or Gray's Zeroth Longbow as top tier attacks despite having no showings this arc.

 

[Axiomus]

Im scaling him to where i think Lucy is at right now. Lucy, a fodder of Alvarez was able to pull out CSK at the level of the final boss of the arc, Mard Geer. Current Lucy imo, is at a level that would be able to summon CSK with strength on par or maybe even exceeding Zeref's.
Its no different to scaling say Laxus' Roaring Thunder or Gray's Zeroth Longbow as top tier attacks despite having no showings this arc.

But Lucy is not on the level of Laxus or Gray. Brandish's magic still works against hers, so she's in all likelihood still weaker than someone like enhanced Neinhart in MP levels. Also, we have no idea how Lucy's power affects her spirits. I'm not even sure Lucy made any truly massive gains in terms of her own magical power during the timeskip. Lucy's spirits have their own magical power. Star Dress is Lucy's major upgrade during the timeskip. Star Dress is where Lucy borrows magical power from her Spirits. As for her spirits themselves, they didn't seem to have any major upgrades. This is how I think Lucy's magical power is regulated

Opening the Gate = Takes constant magical power, can be supplied by mage or spirit
Overall Spirits' power = Spirits own power + Any power Lucy can spare to empower them
Star Dress' power = Lucy's own power + Any power the Spirit can spare to empower Lucy.

It's also possible for a Spirit to be stronger than Lucy herself. Aquarius is Lucy's strongest Spirit, so using her star dress would give her more power than any other Star Dress (Aqua Magna is Lucy's strongest star dress attack). On the flip side, if Lucy wants to make a spirit stronger than herself more powerful, then she needs to have an extremely high reserve of magical power. Since the Spirit King is likely far stronger than Lucy herself, modest changes in Lucy's power level is only going to minorly affect the Spirit King. It's impossible for King to be at any level that exceeds the sum total of Lucy's and the King's magical power. I can potentially believe that Lucy's MP makes the difference between CSK being on Mard's level and on a Spriggan level. I have a much harder time she's at Zeref/August/Irene's level, considering these guys are probably several times stronger than your average Spriggan. As a general rule of thumb: If speculation leads to a character being twice as strong as their most powerful canon showings, it's probably best to take a step back and wait for the feats.

 

[**Silver**]

Im scaling him to where i think Lucy is at right now. Lucy, a fodder of Alvarez was able to pull out CSK at the level of the final boss of the arc, Mard Geer. Current Lucy imo, is at a level that would be able to summon CSK with strength on par or maybe even exceeding Zeref's.
Its no different to scaling say Laxus' Roaring Thunder or Gray's Zeroth Longbow as top tier attacks despite having no showings this arc.

Lucy is one-shotted before she can summon anything

 

[LaGOAT]

Im scaling him to where i think Lucy is at right now. Lucy, a fodder of Alvarez was able to pull out CSK at the level of the final boss of the arc, Mard Geer. Current Lucy imo, is at a level that would be able to summon CSK with strength on par or maybe even exceeding Zeref's.
Its no different to scaling say Laxus' Roaring Thunder or Gray's Zeroth Longbow as top tier attacks despite having no showings this arc.

No this is different Lucy sunmoning her spirits it's about her MP not her power(physically wise) summoning csk doesn't increase his strength. it's about how long the user can maintain it. csk requires a lot of MP to sustain plus it been said that him and mard geer have fought in the past meaning that they are on par

 

[**Silver**]

No this is different Lucy sunmoning her spirits it's about her MP not her power summoning csk doesn't increase his strength. it's about how long the user can maintain it csk requires a lot of MP to sustain plus it been said that him and mard geer have fought in the past meaning that they are on par

Anna heartfilia probably summonenn CSk earlier and Anna---->Lucy....

 

[Boomburst]

Gonna have to go with the majority here. Natsu, Irene, God Serena, Sting.

@Axiomus I'm assuming we are using the WSDM Sting that fought Larcade, i.e. with Rogue's mp? Won't affect my answer either way but a confirmation would be appreciated.

 

[Axiomus]

@Axiomus I'm assuming we are using the WSDM Sting that fought Larcade, i.e. with Rogue's mp? Won't affect my answer either way but a confirmation would be appreciated.

I believe Brandish said it is open to interpretation, but my policy is that we use the most recent canon feats for all the characters. The original rule was to assume that it was the version used against Larcade, and the duration was up to interpretation. We changed this to encourage more discussion.

 

[LaGOAT]

Anna heartfilia probably summonenn CSk earlier and Anna---->Lucy....

Yes I agree when it's come to MP but still doesn't prove that csk will increase in strength

 

[Nemispelled]

Only Dragon Slayers will move out of Group A.


Natsu, Serena, and Sting all advance on the spot.

Cobra, unfortunately, doesn't have the necessary feats to compete, although is a skilled wizard in his own right.

It's between Wendy and Irene, but it has been proven that Base Wendy is a better combatant when Irene is human.

Therefore, Wendy moves on, Irene is dropped.

Irene turning into a Dragon in this group is out of the question... She'd be countered by 5 dragon slayers, which would result in an insta-defeat.


If there were only 3 dragon slayers, Irene may have secured the 4th place necessary to move on. But with Wendy in the picture, especially in DF, Irene is outclassed.

Base Wendy is already stronger as shown in the manga, so that seals the deal for me.


My Results:

Spoiler

1. Natsu Dragneel

2. God Serena

3. Sting Eucliffe

4. Wendy Marvell

As I've always said since the last tournament, I'll stay open-minded. If anybody provides valid arguments that I can agree with, I may consider changing my choices.

Otherwise, I'm pretty damn sure on my choices as of right now.

 

[LaGOAT]

Only Dragon Slayers will move out of Group A.


Natsu, Serena, and Sting all advance on the spot.

Cobra, unfortunately, doesn't have the necessary feats to compete, although is a skilled wizard in his own right.

It's between Wendy and Irene, but it has been proven that Base Wendy is a better combatant when Irene is human.

Therefore, Wendy moves on, Irene is dropped.

Irene turning into a Dragon in this group is out of the question... She'd be countered by 5 dragon slayers, which would result in an insta-defeat.


If there were only 3 dragon slayers, Irene may have secured the 4th place necessary to move on. But with Wendy in the picture, especially in DF, Irene is outclassed.

Base Wendy is already stronger as shown in the manga, so that seals the deal for me.


My Results:

Spoiler

1. Natsu Dragneel

2. God Serena

3. Sting Eucliffe

4. Wendy Marvell

As I've always said since the last tournament, I'll stay open-minded. If anybody provides valid arguments that I can agree with, I may consider changing my choices.

Otherwise, I'm pretty damn sure on my choices as of right now.

How is Wendy gonna stop deus sema? U have to be at least at erzas lvl to stop do that. Human Irene biltz erza she can easily blitz Wendy. The reason Wendy was able to fight "on par" because they both can use enchantment magic but any other feats Irene is far above wendy

 

[Nemispelled]

How is Wendy gonna stop deus sema? U have to be at least at erzas lvl to stop do that. Human Irene biltz erza she can easily blitz Wendy. The reason Wendy was able to fight "on par" because they both can use enchantment magic but any other feats Irene is far above wendy

Well, that's the point. Wendy still has enhancement magic in this tournament.

I don't see this tournament as a simple power ranking thread. Power is not even a major factor in my decisions.

I have to consider all advantages and disadvantages.

And Wendy has been shown to counter (cancel or nullify) most of Irene's enhancement magic.

Plus, Wendy can eat the air since she is a Sky DS.

She has a back-up magic supply in case she runs out, whereas Irene doesn't.

And Irene turning into a dragon to summon Deus Sema is a disadvantageous move. There are 5 dragon slayers who can instantly revert her if she tried.

 

[Seven777]

No this is different Lucy sunmoning her spirits it's about her MP not her power(physically wise) summoning csk doesn't increase his strength. it's about how long the user can maintain it. csk requires a lot of MP to sustain plus it been said that him and mard geer have fought in the past meaning that they are on par

Stronger Celestial Wizard canonically equals stronger Celestial Spirit.

Spoiler

So yeah, its exactly the same as scaling Roaring Thunder or Zeroth Longbow

But Lucy is not on the level of Laxus or Gray. Brandish's magic still works against hers, so she's in all likelihood still weaker than someone like enhanced Neinhart in MP levels. Also, we have no idea how Lucy's power affects her spirits. I'm not even sure Lucy made any truly massive gains in terms of her own magical power during the timeskip. Lucy's spirits have their own magical power. Star Dress is Lucy's major upgrade during the timeskip. Star Dress is where Lucy borrows magical power from her Spirits. As for her spirits themselves, they didn't seem to have any major upgrades. This is how I think Lucy's magical power is regulated

Opening the Gate = Takes constant magical power, can be supplied by mage or spirit
Overall Spirits' power = Spirits own power + Any power Lucy can spare to empower them
Star Dress' power = Lucy's own power + Any power the Spirit can spare to empower Lucy.

It's also possible for a Spirit to be stronger than Lucy herself. Aquarius is Lucy's strongest Spirit, so using her star dress would give her more power than any other Star Dress (Aqua Magna is Lucy's strongest star dress attack). On the flip side, if Lucy wants to make a spirit stronger than herself more powerful, then she needs to have an extremely high reserve of magical power. Since the Spirit King is likely far stronger than Lucy herself, modest changes in Lucy's power level is only going to minorly affect the Spirit King. It's impossible for King to be at any level that exceeds the sum total of Lucy's and the King's magical power. I can potentially believe that Lucy's MP makes the difference between CSK being on Mard's level and on a Spriggan level. I have a much harder time she's at Zeref/August/Irene's level, considering these guys are probably several times stronger than your average Spriggan.

It should be perfectly possible for CSK to open his own gate and fight, just like how Loke does it.

True, however unlike Roaring Thunder and Zeroth Longbow, CSK was shown to boost Lucy several tiers beyond her norm, allowing her to simultaneously fight Jackal and Mard Geer 2v1. Defeating the former and getting the better of the latter before her MP ran out. And we saw how weak she was normally against Jackal alone even with Wendy on her side in their previous fight, the increase in power is colossal.

As for how the MP increase works, i view it as multiplicative. If Lucy's strength doubles or triples, then so too does her spirit's, pretty much like any other spell.
Also, if CSK is ever summoned again(and there is a good chance he wont be), he will have to be top tier, and i mean top top, not Natsu top. Enough to at least hold off Zeref/Acno. Cause right now there is no one left to fight. If Lucy is sacrificing a key sometime this arc(prob Loke), it will definitely mean something. A colossal amount of speculation on my part i know, but if CSK appears again imo its a safe bet that he'll be one of the strongest characters in the manga.

 

[LaGOAT]

Well, that's the point. Wendy still has enhancement magic in this tournament.

I don't see this tournament as a simple power ranking thread. Power is not even a major factor in my decisions.

I have to consider all advantages and disadvantages.

And Wendy has been shown to counter (cancel or nullify) most of Irene's enhancement magic.

Plus, Wendy can eat the air since she is a Sky DS.

She has a back-up magic supply in case she runs out, whereas Irene doesn't.

And Irene turning into a dragon to summon Deus Sema is a disadvantageous move. There are 5 dragon slayers who can instantly revert her if she tried.

Irene can biltz her. And no I don't believe that Wendy can oneshot back to her human. She have to be at least erza lvl. And no Erza was able to damage her not only by Wendy ds becuase she has enough power to do it